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Ok. In my head i want to move the ball at pace from the back through the midfield and prefarably to the right wing.
SK-SU
WB-D CD-St BPD-Co WB-Su
DLP-D
AP-Su BBM-Su
W-At Iw-Su
DLF-AT
Play Out Defence, shorter pasing, quicker tempo
Counter. Distribute quickly
Higher D Line.
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Sure a 4-1-2-2-1? Rice at DM with Lo Celso and Longstaff in CM statas. Lucas RW, Vignato LW. Macias CF.
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17 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:
@davierich I've just analyzed your players from the screenshots and I think I have a pretty clear idea of how you should play. However, there are only 9 players in the screenshots, so I am curious about the keeper and the missing one among the front 3 (whoever he is). I can reasonably assume that Longstaff and Lo Celso are CMs with RIce behind them in the DM position. But Lucas and Macias can both play either up front or on the flanks, so I don't know how you use them and who is their 3rd partner?
Sorry yes. Macias up top and pedro wide. My keeper is a standard sweeper keeper solid enough with ball at feet. And I use this guy attached on the left flank even though he's not natural.
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Truth be told I'm not sure how I want to play. As I alluded to in the post, I'm not entirely sure what attributes lend themselves to different styles of football. As I mentioned - does good passing and vision lend itself to playing direct football as the players are more capable of pulling of passers over a further distance? If my forwards have poor work rate and teamwork, does this mean a high press wouldn't be optimal?
I guess with the tactic I laid out there, I wanted to build from the back through the BPD, DLP and AP - with the pace of the W-At and finishing ability of the DLF being the primary goalscoring threat. Counter was ticked to utilise the pace for any breaks, and a lower LOE to make sure their was pace for the winger to exploit withi his pace and dribbling?
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Hello I am looking for advice in how to go about creating a tactic to fit to players attributes in terms of strengths and weaknesses. I feel like I can identify the strengths and weaknesses of my players and in my head have some sort of plan of how I can play to make the most of them, but often fail to put those ideas into good effect. For example if I have a trio of midfielders who are all talented passers, do I utilise a short passing game knowing they can all move it around nicely or go more direct as I know they have the passing ability to hit accurate passes a longer distance. I have attached my key players and a tactic with some thoughts below:
CB's: Nice partnership here with the pacey Godfrey who is a nice ball player and has bags of pace, alongside the dominant Diop who is strong in the air. Both have solid positioning, concentration, anticipation. Looks like a nice stopper/cover partnership?
FB's: Both solid not spectacular defensively, both solid not spectacular going forward. Pacey enough and good stamina. could be always willing to support attacks from wide. Both good pace and alongside the cb's who aren't slow leads to playing a high line?
Centre mid trio - Rice - Good composure, anticipation, concentration. Can spot danger. Solid work rate and also a solid enough passer and worker.
- Lo Celso - Creative force of the team, outstanding creator/passer good dicating play trying killer balls which he has in PPM. Great movement off ball and flair and ok dribbling. Also has dictate tempo and come deep to get ball PPM's. Want him to be on the ball as much as possible. Work rate and teamwork also solid so will do his fair share defensively?
- Longstaff - the legs of the midfield - solid mentals with a high super workrate and good stamina. Will run all day. Not super techincally but a solid passer with good vision.
Overall the midfield are all very good passers of the ball with good vision and first touches. All are willing to work hard too. I often struggle how does this lead me to want them to play? Should I be using short quick passing as they can move it at pace, relying on their strong first touch? Or do i go more direct hoping they can see those balls over the top with their strong passing and vision? Do I want the team pressing to be high considering the strong work rate in the enginge room or use PI's on these players because as you will see my attackers aren't the best defensively...
Attackers: Pedro Lucas - star player. Pacey outstanding dribbler. Plays more like an IF than W due to cut inside PPM. Not bad goalscoring attributes so is a goal threat. Passing not great and equally so his work rate and teamwork leads me to believe he's not going to do a lot defensively. Needs to be my main source of goals. Winger-Attack role??
Macias - Good finisher can take chances. Likes running with the ball despite avg dribbling. Solid movement off ball and good decision maker with solid anticpation and passing. Would make a good DLF. ow teamwork and work rate. The left winger would also play as an IW-S I have a few who are all similar. Again around the 11 mark for work rate and teamwork. Does this mean a high press high LOE kind of system would be obsolete with players who aren't willing to work hard from the top and put the opposition under pressure?
So I have attached a skeleton tactic. Looking at my players then the way I want to score goals is through my right winger and striker. I want him to run at defences with his pace and dribbling ability either shooting or crossing. The striker(Macias) I want to link play from midfield to attack whilst still proving a goal threat with his solid finishing ability. The left winger as an IW to allow for the maruading left back to overlap.
In midfield then Rice and Lo Celso as Playmakers in each strata. Rice to combine with the BPD and again upto Lo Celso who can than pick a pass ahead of him. I have the ability to play the ball out from th back through Godfrey and Rice hence that instruction. Longstaff would be a CM-D providing cover.
I have gone with counter as I want to use the pace on the wings to attack any space thats left when we win the ball back. Have gone with regroup as if we lose the ball high I'm not convinced that my attackers will work hard enough to win the ball back early doors. Could I add distribute quickly here so the Keeper can get it out, preferably to my right winger who can run at opposition before they are set?
Finally I've gone with the stopper cover combo in central defence utilising the strenghts of each defender. A high line to consideirng the pace we have back there, but a lower line of engagement so that there is some space in behind if we are able to win the ball and counter.
To sum up then, I think I can identify the strenghts of my key players, but am unsure on how to play to them. Any input is appreciated.
Edit - Match one. Beaten handily away to Everton 2-0. Gave up 14 shots. With a whopping 4 CCC's. Conceded from a cross which wasn't cleared and smashed home from close range and a ball over the top defender chasing back conceded a penalty trying to catch up. Managed only 8 shots myself creating 9 CCC's. Did win the possession battle however...
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32 minutes ago, mp_87 said:
What are 'serious struggles'? What issues are you finding?
Also, if something was working why did you change it?
As for that tactic, I feel it might be a bit toothless and your attacking players isolated. Who will be getting into the area and hopefully scoring goals apart from the striker?
Truth be told it was mostly a tactic from the download section - Jose Mourinoho Chelsea type of thing with Obviously a few tweaks. (ignore the players)
Towards the end of last season it started going stale as teams became more defensive and I couldn't break them down. However this season after losing Maddison in the summer the AMC role wasn't able to replicate his link play and I haven't had anywhere near the success with nowhere the same level of defensive solidity or ball dominance . I wanted to try and go with my own ideas going forward but I just can't seem to marry being solid defensively while still creative up top.
Going forward my striker is only 5'4 and a bit lightweight so maybe playing up front alone isn't ideal. He's capable of playing the F9 role but then I think that would take away from his strenght which looks to be his pace and dribbling to run in behind.
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Deep into a save with Forest and coming off the back of a fine fifth, having serious struggles this term. Attached are five of my more key players but I am struggling to understand how to combine the passing skills of the midfield with the raw pace and dribbling ability of my winger and centre forward. Last season I played a successful 4231 with a mid block - however the key player was James MAddison in the AMC role who was great in linking the play from midfield to attack with his "come deep" PPM. I have attached the five players below..
As you can see the two attacker are lightning quick. Their finishing is a lot to be desired but both are still young and can improve. Lucas often behaves more like an IF due to his cut inside trait. The midfield trio have a bit of everything, Rice and Kamara both capable passers with a bit of steel too whilst Alena is a pure playmaker excellent passer capable of unlocking defencess (on paper).
My thoughts going into the second half of the season is that I'm realtivaly safe in mid-table and not really in danger of the sack due to low expectations, so I want to really try and tailor something to suit the abilities of those key players above. Basic thougths - Width on left provided by FB-A with overlap. Width on right by W-A. Pass into space to allow pacy pair to run onto. Keeper get it out quick to exploit any possible counter attack opportunity. Lower LOE in order to invite opposition defence further upfield to leave more space in behind again for the pace to exploit. Below are my basic thoughts on how it might look. I'm just not sure if I'm barking up the wrong tree. Thanks for any advice.
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17 hours ago, plcarlos said:
So, this just happened - I was hoping not to get thumped.... Pretty sure this is a partial Fluke result, we were just dealy on the counter.
This was the Tacitic in the end:
Tactical Adapatations:
I started at Control possesion, but after just playing keep-ball, It evolved to this:
Defence\Out of Possesion:
We don't have the quickest Defence, so High Line is not the best idea. We also got caught on the counter a bit, hence lowering to standared line. Pressing got us Yellow cards, so the back 4 have reduced pressing.
Prevent Keeper highlighted a bug - I beat Man City with a David Silva own Goal as I pressed him. Against Arsenal, This limited them to 1 Shot on goal (That was also massively helped by closing the break away options via Berge\Zanilo\Meunier - All taller players that didn't get caught out over the top, so recycled the ball for fun..)
Transition:
Counter won me the above match, amounst others - I wish my upload to youtube worked so I could upload them, but it never works for me.
Lloris has single digit Distribution\Vision.....
In Possesion:
Shorter and High Tempo met the Boards enterntaining Vfootball vision. Pass into space - Also won me the above match
Levy got me a few of those singings, so I'm gonna see if he can do it again for me... Zanilo was cheap, and I rasied £125M in sales - Toby, Jan, Eriksen, Wanyama
Next is Post\Pre-Season - Looking at Aarons, Godfrey, and Cheisa has just gon on the list for £49M....
Do you have any player instructions here? Also how do you adapt the set up for big away matches. The tough Champions League games for example and the trips to Man City and Liverpool etc?
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On the verge of the sack in mid-November in my save with Spurs. Really struggled with creating chances despite controlling possession. The entire unit are pretty toothless but I'm guessing I was prioritising keeping the ball rather than penetrating the defence. Kane, Alli, Son all struggling to trouble the scorers so looking for a set up that will save my job.
Really want to keep the 4231 as brought in James Maddison as a replacement for Erikson. Going to abandon the high press for now as the lack of pace at the back was proving an issue against better teams.
Still want to keep a nice short passing game, so how do I go actually creating good chances and not just keeping the ball for the sake of it?
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43 minutes ago, The Roaming Regista said:
Really struggling with any possession-based 4231 in FM20, unlike last year.
I started FM20 with a Spurs save and played a 433 as I really liked the idea of a midfield 3 of Lo Celso and Ndombele ahead of a DM (I signed Florentino Luis who was incredible). Finished 3rd the first season, and 2nd the second season with ~95 points, Liverpool won with a ridiculous 105 points. However, I managed to win the Champions League that second season.
So unless you’re fixed on using a 4231 for whatever reason, I’d look into changing to a 433.
Yeah gonna have to move to a 433 I think as i'm literally on the verge of the sack. This is a network game with three other mates too so hella embarassing. Just seems a great shame having to dispose of the AMC. Bought James Maddison after selling Erikson so have him and Alli available but just can't get anything going offensively.
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Great replies guys. I was aware of the defensive frailties. To be honest this isn't an issue against the smaller teams it's just the inability to unlock the defence. I just got handled by Chelsea away 3-1. Something like 26 shots to 5. So maybe I do have more defensive issues. Really strugling at the moment. Made the changes as suggested above but also lost the possession as well, while creating little. I want to get the best out of Kane but he is just a passenger at the moment.
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Struggling with Tottenham, 15th Mid-November. A tonne of possession without troubling the scorers. Have read a really helpful guide in the pinned section. But till coming away with little to no clear cut chances.
Harry Kane not firing and really struggling. Avg rating below 7. As said we have control of the game recycle the ball well with Winks and the full backs providing plenty of options but lacking any kind of penetration. Teams generally sitting deep and just soaking up the pressure down the flanks forcing it back to the edge where there is bodies galore.
Any ideas or comparible stories with people starting with Tottenham this year. N'Dombele the only success story he's a livewire.
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Ok I hear you so playmakers are deemed good fits for teams looking at patient build up play slower tempos looking to unlock defences? So the CD-St isn't needed as the space in front of the back four is being covered by the DMC?. Menatlity would be positive, I guess.
How would you go about setting the team up, given their attributes?