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Is it possible to get the player's age to show when viewing the player?
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On 22/04/2022 at 11:00, soft tofu said:
I'm actually about to comment here about my tactic using wide midfielder.
AM-att
WM-at Mez-at Mez-at WM-at
DM-su
IWB-su CB-de CB-de IWB-su
Each wide midfielder is asked to stay wider, cross from byline, take more risk, tight marking, tackle harder, close down more.
With the ball, the team attack pretty nicely but obviously without anyone in the forward role, high pressing becomes an issue.
Either way, these WM pretty much doing what I hope they'll do, staying wide, making pass if/when mezzalas make the run, still making crosses from byline, run inside/behind defenders and taking the fullback out of the game most of the time.
Didn't use striker role for most part of the season until during cup final which I needed the team to be a bit more direct.
This tactic is on FM21 tho so I don't know if it can work in FM22.
What team mentality is that on? And how is the possession working? I like the idea you are going with here.
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What kind of mentality would you settle on for this kind of football, @yonko? I know it depends on how you distribute player duties and everything is relative.
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4 hours ago, Jack722 said:
I adjust the mentality based on how likely I'm going to win, or by how much we need a goal.
And the striker never gets isolated. I think it's mostly an FM myth that playing a AF or P will very easily get isolated and not contribute, Especially with an AF as they also run the channels. Even if your striker gets poor ratings and few goals, you'll find that lots of them make intelligent runs to open spaces for other players, so even the more in general 'selfish' strikers can end up helping your team massively. The wingers provide service from crosses and cutbacks, and the Mezzalas push up really high and sometimes even look like shadows strikers or deep lying forwards.
With two striker formations and front three's (as in AML,AMR,ST) you get natural support from surrounding players. With a 4141, the easiest way to get good support for your striker is by pushing the 2 CM's quite high (like in the OP). The only thing to worry about is if you start getting dominated and the CM's get pulled back having to track runners all game. Probably the only really difficult formation to get support to the striker is a flat 541. But this is quite rare anyway, and chances are that if you use it, your priority is to defend. In this case I'd most likely set my striker to a target man and play someone that can hold up the ball.
Awesome reply, mate. Thank you.
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What mentality are you usually playing on? Standard?
Does the AF get isolated or does he actually help stretching the opposition vertically so the free 8s will move high earlier in the build up?
Avid fan of the 4-1-4-1 myself simply because of how the wingers hold width for much longer.
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On 09/09/2021 at 10:19, NuFcPRO said:
for me its all about finding the right club and the club must have a badge i like
Go with Brønshøj this year then, man.
Make the Mose Derby happen again.
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@themadsheep2001 Nice tactic and observations. As you said, the front five can be achieved in many ways. What is your take on Pep’s system he has employed more this season where he used a double pivot and a Cancelo that moves so high up that he becomes a sort of hybrid number 10 in the right half space? The system looks more like a strikerless 4-2-3-1 with a very fluid interchanging between Bernardo Silva and Cancelo where Silva often is deeper than Cancelo?
Also their defensive shape looks more like 4-4-2 than the previous 4-1-4-1?
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In my opinion it varies all depending on the match, their opponent and what the score is. Lately I have seen several shapes, such as a 4-4-2, 4-3-3 and 4-5-1. But the the red line for all of them is that Salah usually stays on top.
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On 27/12/2020 at 00:56, Experienced Defender said:
I am struggling to understand your choice of formation, to begin with. I mean, you are managing a top team. Even if the tactic itself was "perfectly" designed - which it's far from - the mere choice of a bottom-heavy system doesn't really make sense IMHO.
If the idea is to play counter-attacking football taking advantage of the great pace up front, a system with a highly isolated lone striker means opposition defenses should relatively easily deal with him most of the time. Instead, a 442 or 4411 would make a lot more sense for such style of play.
A 4-1-4-1 can be pretty aggressive. Ive used it with Dortmund and won everything in first season with it. So please stop saying a bottom heavy formation is for teams outside the top. It. Is. Not. Duties and mentally makes all formations relative.
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Thanks for opening my eyes for the focus play-instructions, @Rashidi I love how you with the right roles can create natural overloads then see the side switch where the space has opened up. Love how even a CM-s comes wide or into the half space to build the play and lurk the opposition on one side.
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1 hour ago, frukox said:
Then, personally I would prefer this system:
CF(S)
IF(S) W(S)
CAR MEZ(S)
DLP(S)
WB(S) CD(D) CD(D) CWB(S)
SK(S)
CAR- Arrive late
MEZ- Get into Opp Area
DLPS-Switch Ball to Other Flank, Dictate Tempo
All players except defend duty ones - play one-twos
Attacking Mentality
Standard Width, Slightly Shorter Passing, Slightly Lower Tempo, Low crosses, Work Ball into Box, Focus down Left and Right Flank(FM21)
Counter press, Counter, Distribute to Playmaker
Higher DL, Higher LOE, Stay on Feet, Use Offside Trap, More Urgent Pressing
This system will test your team's mentals and physicals and they need good ball-keeping skills. Basically, they shouldn't lose the ball during transitions. Hope it helps, mate;)
How does that create the attacking shape that @Luizinho wants?
On topic: You can gain the sort of shape you want by using the wingers as Inside Forwards/Inverted Wingers. That means they come into the half space and attack that - in general. Your two midfielders ahead of the DM can be just plain CM's. Using a Deep Lying Playmaker can also work, thats a pivot type of role that holds the position and doesnt wander off. The Roaming Playmaker doesn't hold position. He does the opposite, as the role gives him freedom to move whereever he thinks he can make an impact. If you want your full back to provide the attacking width and your wingers to attack the halfspaces, make your two midfielders the ones that link up the defense with attack. That means supporting the wingers and fullbacks and not move into their space. If that's what you want of course.
I myself like to create the same shape as you want. So to give some moment and variety to your attacks I like to go with something like this:CF(S)
IF(S) W(S)
CM(S) MEZ(A)
HB
WB(A) CD(D) CD(D) IWB(S)
SK(S)
Depending on your team instructions this should in general give you the 3-2-5 shape you are after. But the attacking shape depends on a lot of things; do you have enough possesion so your players can get into the attacking shape? How hard is the opposition pressing you? And so. :-)0 -
Imo manage you expectation. All of the world's teams would give their left arm if it meant winning 2-0 each game.
You obviously got something good working. And that shot on target/ratio is pretty good.
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On 29/11/2020 at 01:40, ElJefe4 said:
Really hope the FM21 match engine can get back to something like FM18 as far as the above is concerned.
It does. In FM21 a mezzala-attack/Central Midfielder usually take up much higher positions now - and they do it earlier. Often I see my attacking midfielder as high as the striker. In general I can recommend FM21, it's the best ME of all of them. Right now I am toying with turning a deep 4-1-4-1 into a 2-3-5ish in attack.
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2 hours ago, LucasBR said:
Thanks guys, I'll try some of these tweaks when facing these teams, cheers.
Yeah but why change it if it aint broken? Are you losing games because of it? Look at Atalanta and what they have achieved with their budget: A well, though risky concept that can beat any team on the day. (They can also lose to anyone it seems when they lose their intensity). It’s a playstyle, mate.
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As I see it you "only" have three players that covers the space you leave behind. That's a lot of space they have to guard since the Mezzala is offensive and the Complete Wingback also wants to get forward. If the opposition leaves two strikers up front they have a lot of space to take of advantage and you have three players to cover it. You are playing with a lot of risk which obviously works. You are leading the Serie A. :-)
Also two strikers will sort of pin your two centerbacks. A solution could be to change your backline to three centerbacks or make left midfielder and right back more conservative. But thats a drastic change. I wouldn't change anything cause you are number one and the number one is always right.
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Just now, Rashidi said:
I don't mean it as an exploit, it just feels overpowered because I now feel like I have more control of how the overloads are meant to happen. On hindsight I should have rephrased that.
Okay, thanks for your answer. :-)
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On 23/11/2020 at 22:16, Rashidi said:
This is perhaps one of the more interesting challenges on Football Manager, and it is a good exercise in using FM21’s overpowered Focus play instructions to create overloads.
This is what he wrote @keysea. And I just wanted to know why he states that the Focus Play instructions are overpowered.
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Ah, I like this as I have been advocating using deeper formations such as 4411 and 4141 (my favorite) and pairing it with an agressive style of play. A high pressing 4141 (didn't work so well in FM20, but is a totally different beast in fm21) is absolutely a joy to watch.
I've been using a 4411 in my first save as I felt it would bring the best out of my best players at Dortmund. But I have slowly been toying with the idea of moving Reus into MC with a attack duty, Brandt up as False 9 and Haaland out wide to the right as a deep raumdeuter sort of player.
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5 hours ago, Rashidi said:
Focus play focuses passing down a specific area, players will also move towards these areas to support the passing focus. You can see from the images I linked above, when i build my play down the right flank, i create overloads down that flank. And as I explained the overloads allow me to counterpress very effectively when i have the ball. Naturally the quality of my counterpress will depend on the kind of players that i have.
Okay, thanks. But why are these instructions overpowered?
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What does the instructions "Focus play down ..." actually do and why are these overpowered?
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I have yet to try out the beta but maybe someone here can give me an answer to this question: How defensive is the AI during matches? Especially if your team are in form or are the bigger team? I think the extremely defensive mindset of AI teams - even those who were equal to yours - was one of the biggest let downs in FM20 so wanted to know how FM21 is handling it.
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1 minute ago, He can't believe he's missed it said:
January?
Lol, hats off to you for being an optimist.
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I'm a journalist and my sources tell me that we will get the beta once US and A has elected a president.
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2 minutes ago, XaW said:
No clue! I'd love for Miles to just talk and explain this whole presentation of the new game. Would have been more fun to see working tactics instead of the mess they made. It's nice to see that functional tactics works much better than poor ones though, so if that was the goal, then they did show that off!
Yeah you are absolutely right about that. And I like what I see. Alone the movement of the forwards and outside players trying to make the play go inside again. Looks good.
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Make the Mose Derby happen again.
[FM23][SKIN] Mustermann 23 v3.03 - Updated 10/06/23 - NEW SKIN ADDED!!
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Oh my god, sorry. I am blind. Thanks for the response.