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I think the value range addition was one of the most pointless in recent years. It took a very basic concept and just overcomplicated it by adding even more variables & it's never never accurate anyway.
One of many parts of the game that has become cluttered & unnessesery IMO.
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1 hour ago, trevjim said:
They have released at midnight twice in recent years
Pretty sure that is full release, not beta release. Games full release are commonly released at midnight.
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3 minutes ago, stevedaytona said:
Could this point to a Midnight release? Or an earlier than normal release tomorrow?
I dunno.... probably clutching 🤷
I don't think they will ever release it at midnight, it will be during working hours UK ( i know they have released in the evening last few betas but thats still working hours for some!)
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4 minutes ago, thefmveteran86 said:Will anyone be going vanilla when the beta arrives? or will it just be the logos and faces you be transferring over? hate looking at the same old skin I'm using now (the TCS skin)
I'll always use the default skin for a few weeks but I can't play without faces or logos
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Boring hat on but if they were going to release the beta today I don't think they would have organised YouTubers videos today. What would be the point when they would only be uploading more videos in a few hours of release anyway? It's not the logical thing to do from a marketing point of view.
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6 minutes ago, -Jef- said:
No, that is your opinion. Most teams nowadays play gegenpressing. Look at how Turkey destroyed Croatia. Kovacic, Modric, Brozovic midfield was being overrun. Sitting back and hoping you don't concede is objectively harder to achieve IRL and in game. But it is doable.
Also custom tactics forum (i presume the downloads forum) is full of exploity tactics. That is why they all play the same way. Overlap, pass ball into space, high pressing, high defense etc etc
At the top level yeah. But your last sentence just proves my point.
The match engine is not balanced & it doesn't encourage playing a way that suits your players strengths nor encourage different systems.
The best feature they could do is make the game actually interesting again to find your niche. Instead, everything evolves into gegenpress. It's just boring.
Of course you COULD make it work playing anyway, but you could spent 10 seasons perfecting the perfect formation, and then switch to the bog standard meta & outperform your perfected tactic playing a different way considerably. That's wrong.
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The beta came out at 6pm last year & 8pm the year before. There is time yet!
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52 minutes ago, Dagenham_Dave said:
You can have success playing any system in FM as long as you have the right players with good personalities and you're able to keep up morale and cohesion to high levels. This fallacy of only being able to play one way is usually peddled by people who have only played one way, or have tried one other way and it's failed because of what I mentioned above.
This is absolute nonsense. It is objectively more difficult to achieve anything in the game if you are playing defensive systems.
You can build clubs over years playing a defensive system buying players tailored to that way of playing, then switch to the standard boring gegenpress attacking style with no effort and get much better results. Over and over again.
Go and look in the custom tactics forum just for starters, almost all the most successful tactics play the same way regardless of perssonel. To suggest it's to do with not having the right players is disingenious.
The match engine needs to encourage more variety in playstyle, that is a fact.
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Is there actually any solid info that the beta is coming immintently, or are we just goofing around?
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I don't care about new features or anything. The main thing I want from the game is to add variety in how it can be played.
The series has become so stale because there is one way of playing the game successfully & it's attack attack attack with press press press. If you don't enjoy playing like that then it just becomes a frustratingly dull game to play.
It's sad to say this but every addition they have released since 2018, the match engine seems to get worse and worse. You just can't make defensive systems viable consistently, if this is corrected in the new game I will be happy, but I have gone into the game thinking this for a good few years now & it hasn't been corrected. Not to mention the endless list of bugs. Stop adding so much clutter to the game & fix the stuff that's already in it.
Rant over!
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Ok, so I have been experimenting all month with defensive tactics and my conclusion is that it's impossible to get one to work well. The reality is, the more defensive you are in this game the more likely you are to concede goals. I couldn't ever consistently keep clean sheets with a very defensive tactic.
I played 6 full seasons as Nacional in the Portugese second division over and over again with varying defensive tactics and then did the last season with an extremely attacking tactic. Can anyone guess which tactic kept the most clean sheets and best defensive record? Yes - it was the Very Attacking one with everybody pressing like rampant up the other end of the pitch - this was by a long way as well.
I can post some more detail of my findings if anybody is interested?
But it feels like the problem of FM in recent years only having one way of playing to be successful has never been more accurate than with this match engine, which is extremely disapointing considering they weren't the sounds coming out pre-release. Can anyone prove my theory wrong?
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It would also help if they completely binned the current UI / UX and started from scratch.
The whole menu system is cluttered and has real readability / visiblity problems. It needs to be stripped back to the information that's actually required.
The term "less is more" is massively needed at SI - the game is getting close to becoming unplayable because of the cluttered menus. I don't know where to find half the stuff I need, and I have played the game for over a decade, I dread to think how a new player would find anything.
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Isn't it about time dual club ownership became a thing in the game?
You can't even list an owner more than once in the current game. For example, the Forest owner Evangelos Marinakis isn't even listed as an owner at Forest because he's the owner at Olympiacos.
That's just the basics, but the way the clubs act should also be a thing. It's a massive part of football ownership now and it's just ignored.
As well as affiliate clubs, owners should take over other clubs in other countries and provide a link that way with all the scouting, cheap players, loans, same board etc etc. Obvious it should be very rare but it would be a welcome addition.
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On 16/12/2022 at 07:34, rp1966 said:
The fixture scheduling algorithm is so good these days ...
I remember a couple of editions ago I had the Spanish 3rd division play-offs, and my entire team went on holiday because the game assumed the season had finished so I had to play grayed out players
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FM should be hiring you my friend.
You have done a great job. Imagine what your creative ideas could do with a team behind you at SI.
This is how the base skin should feel. Not the cluttered mess we are currently served up with.
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Glad I am not the only one then.
I also read that it's much better, so it was really annoying when I got my hand on the game and found it borderline impossible for me to make a defensive tactic work. I share your frustrations.
I was hoping the main thing to come from this game was them making it so the only way to play this game wasn't Gegenpress attack attack attack.
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You have to decide for yourself what "cheating" is because it's a single player game, it doesn't really matter and one person's cheating is just how others play the game.
Some people will use custom databases with sugar daddys, some will use things like genie scout to scout players, some will use custom tactics.
At the end of the day it's finding the limit for you to:
A) Enjoy the game
B) Not feel like you are cheating yourself
And presuming because of this post you probably think you are cheating yourself?
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Has anybody managed to get a defensive / solid tactic to actually work on this FM?
I have managed it on many previous versions. I won the league by scoring less goals than games played I was that solid defensively on FM20. But having zero luck on this game, any defensive style just seems to be utterly useless & you HAVE to attack attack attack to have any sort of joy.
Anybody got any evidence to prove me wrong?
Example, I got this to work on previous versions and had decent success:
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5 minutes ago, Platinum said:
I think a big part of the problem is that the number of bugs seems to continue to grow (whether that's just our perception and not actually true doesn really matter).
The reason fir this is that we have bugs that have been in the game for years that arent fixed. And then when a new game releases it hs new features that are ALSO bugged. E.g. squad planner bugs, watch and ring bugs.
So not only do the bugs that have been there for years still exist, but new bugs have been introduced with the new features. So from a customer perspective what bope can we have of old bugs being solved if every year the new features bring their own bugs.
For the bugs that have existed for years better communication would help massively. Also as someone said we hve the bug tracker but after acknowledgement of the bug we dont hear anything again.
You are right but it's also little things that chip away at the playerbase for years and years that are just neglected.
Nothing sums up the menality at SI than the Squad view screen re-arrangment, it's just bone-idle that it hasn't been fixed for probably about a decade now. There are hundreds of other stuff like that which have just added up over the years - and with no notable improvements to the game the attention has really turned to them.
Stop taking the mickey SI.
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5 minutes ago, (sic) said:Do people realize this video is from the last year, and 2 game versions ago (FM21)?
It probably sums up the game though doesn't it?
That people can even watch a video and not tell the different between a version from 2 years ago - and the same problems that the video talks about persist.
I hope the reaction to this years FM is a massive wakeup call to SI. They are getting lazy and seem to be devoid of creativity which made the game so great in the first place.
Next years addition needs a huge amount of quality of life features and a fresh feel because it's clear they have taken advantage of loyal buyers in this years release. If they keep making the same mistakes they will lose that loyalty.
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Does the game feel really RNG this year compared to previous years to anybody else?
I went into a 2 leg qualifier, won the first leg 4-0, and ended up losing the second leg 6-0 playing the exact same formation & players a week later.
I am just finding this years game so difficult to get any kind of rhythm going at all.
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15 hours ago, albertluque said:found a major problem with the game. french club, french based changing room, uk plugs. please fix this SI.
That's next years headline feature sorted then - I joke of course. But it's probably close to being true.
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12 hours ago, anagain said:
Is it really so hard to get this player selection for youth teams window to stay up?
If I have my mouse over the window why does it disappear? This has been an issue for a number of FMs now.
I wasn't going to bug it, because I figured it must be known, but I will because it is such an annoying issue and really shouldn't still be a thing for the past however many FMs.
This is one of two really infuriating UI issues that have been in FM for many years.
1. The above window closes whenever it likes. However, if I click on a player's small profile window it is a right pain to get rid of. I find I have to mouse off the profile window and click on screen to remove it.
It is as if each different aspect of the UI has its own little personality.
2. Lists defaulting to top position when I move through screens.
The biggest expample of this is the fixtures screen. For some reason it always defaults to the start of the season so when I'm playing matches after Christmas I always have to scroll down to get to the matches I want to see. Then, when I click on a match, I go back after to find the fixture list is again at the start of the season and I have to scroll down again...
The window that is the subject of this post is another example. Every time the window closes it defaults back to the top player and I have to scroll down again...I get to the player I was on before the window closes...and the window closes again.
These are little things that I am sure could be fixed in next to no time at all. They are issues I have seen reported and have myself been mentioning for a number of FMs now.
Are they ever fixed? No. Surely they can't be things put on hold for the next FM. Even if there is some explanation for them happening, I have never seen it.
I love this game so much that little things like this are so infuriating. I believe SI strive for perfection, so why are little issues like this allowed to remain? Would a browser or word processor program allow little issues like this to persist? No, so why does FM?
The story in general isn't it mate?
I think the negativity that surrounds FM is a build up of stuff like this that just simply should be fixed and just comes across as neglect that they are not.
There is a hundred other examples of stuff like this. For me the worst one is the player/squad/player search tabs, anything with columns is impossible to rearrange. Would this be difficult to fix? Yet it's been impossible to rearrange anything for every edition of FM.
All that stuff grinds away at the playerbase whilst getting more complicated features nobody really needs as a main feature this year. It's all very frustrating.
I have been saying for 4 editions of FM now that all I want is a UI / Menu overhaul with graphical improvements, and this edition seems to be really putting pressure on SI to put that front of the queue as the discontent is growing.
I have done work in UI/UX and if I presented the FM UI to them, they would laugh in my face and rightly so. It is completely cluttered to the point where they could get rid of half the stuff in the UI.
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6 hours ago, trevjim said:It's a really pointless "feature". It's incredible they spent time on this instead of things like Set prices or AI improvements
The past few years they just seem to be adding features that make a feature that is already there more complicated and not fixing broken/useless stuff.
I hate what they have done to scouting for example, it's so complicated nowadays. There is about 5 tabs at the top of the page that do a similar thing. I have thousands of hours since changes, I still click about 3 different tabs because I don't know what half of them do still.
I pray that FM just strip it back next year and minimize the information and menus. Give us quality of life additions & fix what's broken. Don't make more things in the game even more complicated! I dread to think what I would be like as a new player, I am overwhelmed now and I have been playing for 15 years.
I read my review from FM2018 earlier, I was saying the exact same thing about the menus then. That was 5 years ago! Really poor stuff. I do some UI design occasionally, and I can tell you that FM's is an absolute nightmare.
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I have been massively critical of the development of FM in recent years. I thought last years addition was extremely poor and basically a rerelease of 22. You can read my posts on this forum, it's pretty much just me moaning. I feel like they have wasted time and effort adding features nobody is ever going to use, adding clutter to the game whilst neglecting the core of the game. Which I see as a valid critique. I saw the features for this game and once again I was extremely underwhelmed and expected more of the same.
But... this game (so far) is significantly better than previous years & note, all the improvements come to stuff that was already in the game. The match engine is significantly better both in the way it plays and the visual look of it. You can actually see what players are good at and they have an individual quality that is visible, e.g. you can see when a player is a good dribbler, good passer, good tackler, etc etc. The game is extremely quick as well, processing is as fast as ever so bravo for that.
There is still a huge amount to fix that's actually in the game - the menus for example are truly a cluttered mess and haven't changed in 10 years, it needs to be addressed hopefully in the next addition and will truly give FM a new game feel, and if SI read this and want to take anything from my post it's that i'll be hugely appreciative if they add absolutely nothing new to the game, just make the stuff already in it better and fix stuff that's been broken for about a decade. This game is a huge step forward which is the first FM I have said that about for a good few years now.