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  1. Here is a snapshot of the results - already miles better than what I had achieved. For this, I switched to a 4-2-3-1 on Control/Fluid, with rather standard player roles, and similar duties to that of the last few tactics. I did not use any TIs or PIs, and the AssMan was responsible for the OIs. This has completely stumped me, because I cannot see what the factor could be. As I've already mentioned, I leave much of the running of the club to the backroom staff anyway, so it baffles me that the results are so different with my tactic. At least with this, I know that the problem isn't necessarily my tactics! A good result which isn't included in the snapshot was a 5-4 victory over Chelsea!
  2. Interesting. What should I be looking for in a formation to determine it's flexibility? Overnight Result: The AssMan did MUCH better. The team are 6th and they even went on a winning streak! I'll post the full results soon.
  3. I'm going to run through a new Everton career with a new set of tactics, and I'll run it through on FM Touch on holiday overnight so that I have the results for you tomorrow With regards to the full package you've mentioned, I rarely ever deviate from the AMs training, and I never seem to do anything wrong man management wise. Usually the players respond well to my talks. I rarely buy players in the first transafer window, and I always make sure that they fit around the strengths of the team. Not that it isn't a factor, but I doubt it has a big impact on my game. Also, thanks for the tactical advice, I may run the team through on a more expansive tactic to see what happens
  4. Sorry. Although I watch the game in extended highlights, I still check defeats afterwards to see why we lost. We usually just end up losing because of mistakes, poor passing, and from losing out in 1v1 and aerial battles. Nothing I do seems to stop this at the moment. I've also noticed that the opponent seems to have up to 4-5 players who sit back when they have the ball in our final third, or are able to get players back in no time to stop us from attacking. I can't see how I can break through teams that do this so well.
  5. My apologies for the late reply! So much for coming back tomorrow Sadly, this isn't an exaggeration. To put your idea to the test, I decided to start a season with Everton, and not use any opposition or player instructions to ensure minimal marking instructions outside of the team instructions. At Everton I felt that I could perhaps challenge for a top 6 spot if things went our way. We had a group of good players in attack, and we were backed up by a solid midfield and defense. I noticed that the team were technical, but not particularly suited to an aggressive style of play. I was delighted, as I'd be able to play with a more cautious approach based on keeping men behind the ball, and fast transitions when opportunities arose. I decided to play a 4-3-3 DM Wide with a counter/flexible approach, I didn't feel that the team should be looking to control possession in an already cautious approach, so I asked the team to play fast and direct using the TIs. The team was based on a TM (S) upfront, with two wingers supporting (A/S), a standard pair of CMs (A/S), a DLP (D) in the DM position, a standard back four (S/D/D/A), and a standard keeper. The preseason went great! We won most of our matches and the team as a whole looked strong. They looked very much like a team trying to control possession for the most part, which wasn't ideal considering my plans, but it made sense considering the counter mentality, and the team seemed to be playing well, so I didn't change things. Then came the first game. a 3-2 defeat to Watford. I couldn't believe my eyes; a hattrick from Troy Deeney, two easy goals from crosses near the corner flag, and a cheeky chip from deep that hit the bar, took out the keeper and left Deeney with an open goal. I was fuming. The rest of the season looked no better: Not a single game was in any way convincing. The MK Dons game was unbearable - none of the team turned up (to be fair, I rotated the side to keep the first team fresh, the game included unused subs and a couple of reserve players). After the Arsenal defeat, I knew I had to make a change. I switched to a 4-4-2 with a TM (S) and CF (A) upfront, a DLP (S) and CM (D), two wingers (A/S), and a standard back four (S/D/D/A). I decided to change the direct play to a long ball strategy to try and reach the two upfront, allowing the wingers to get higher up to support the attack. We began to see less possession, but we also began to see more opportunities during the highlights. Despite this, little changed, and for the last two games before my sacking, I rocked the apple cart by going for a 4-2-3-1 with Control/Fluid: a CF (S), a wide three attacking the box, with two wingers and an AM (A/A/S), a DLP and CM (S/D), a standard back four (S/D/D/A) and a SK (D). For the TIs, I asked the team to press higher, play faster and play more direct to try to encourage greater possession and more fast transitions. I was sacked with Everton rock bottom and with no wins in 10 PL games... All of this was with no PIs or OIs throughout the season, albeit to deal with a couple of threats in game. Seeing this sort of season has become commonplace for me since FM15
  6. Fair enough, thank you for the advice With the higher press, am I right in thinking that the team will naturally play a high press under Control mentality anyway? So my thinking might be due to the player roles with regards to the formation?! Thank you With that in mind, I'm thinking that I should either change the formation, or perhaps change the two midfielders to CM (D) and DLP (S) respectively so that they sit back a bit more than the previous setup? See, this is where my cautious thinking comes into mind. I don't want the defence to be pressing too high up the field. I'd rather get men behind the ball and block any attacks from a deeper setup. Obviously I can't be cautious with every team, so I'll have to adapt. Interesting about the 4-2-3-1! I wonder why teams who set up with a 4-2-3-1 on FM and in real life don't set up with the deeper formation? For curiosity sake, if I planned to set out with a regular FM 4-2-3-1 instead of the deeper option, could I tailor that to work similar to the deep formation? I'll reply with more later (either tonight or tomorrow), and I may also consider starting a new game to see if I can beat the streak
  7. Hi all, I've been playing FM/CM since 01/02. I love the game and have been reading up on the tactical side of things for a while now. Yet despite everything, I have a bit of a problem that has been bothering me for a while now... Since FM15, I have not won a single competitive game. I've consistently been trying to tackle this, and I've taken the advice of several guides on this site and others, yet the same pattern occurs. I can sometimes start off brilliantly in the preseason. Yet the moment I begin in a competition, losses and draws plague my starting of the season, followed by the dire losing streak that ends up with me losing my job or starting anew. I've tried with loads of sides; Liverpool, Palace, Everton, WBA, Leicester, Coventry, both Sheffield's, Arsenal, England U21s, PSV, Feyenoord, Shalke, Dortmund, the list goes on! I've tried it with attacking and defensive strategies, fluid and structured, TIs and PIs yet nothing has worked for me! Yet before FM15 I could at the very least come midtable! For the sake of helping you guys get a glimpse of my thinking when I play, I'm going to assume control of Liverpool since I'm most comfortable with their players. Before I begin, it should be noted that my ideal preference of playing style is quite cautious. I like my teams to be solid defensively, and to use the space created by getting men behing the ball to launch attacks. Despite this, I always aim to adapt to the team that I'm with: The first thing that I will do is analyse the team for a particular style. I do this by looking at the players and the team at well as their stats. At Liverpool, I recognise them to be a team that should be challenging for a CL spot. They have very aggressive, technical players who I believe are more suited to an attacking style of play with plenty of fluid movement between the players. I recognise players such as Mane, Coutinho, and Firmino as key players in higher positions. Upon judgement of the team as a whole, I look to play a 4-2-3-1 formation, along with two backup formations for different scenarios. Upon further inspection, I come to the following conclusion as a base tactic: 4-2-3-1 GK: D (Karius) LB/RB: A/S respectively (Moreno/Clyne) CBs: D (Matip/Lovren) BWM: D (Can) BBM: S (Henderson) IF(L): S (Coutinho) AM(C): A (Firmino) W(R): A (Mane) DLF: S (Origi) Mentality: Control Team Shape: Fluid TIs: Shorter Passing PIs: N/A For the most part, the control mentality applies much of how I want the team to play, so I feel that little is needed in terms of TIs. I'll usually use PIs in game to exploit weaknesses and prevent the opponent exploiting our own. A common choice of mine is to instruct the fullbacks to not be harsh in tackles so as to prevent the attacker losing the fullback. I do this by asking the fullbacks to ease off tackles, and sometimes to hold their position. I like to instruct my assistant to set opponent PIs so that we can nullify specific threats. For example, if we were playing Arsenal, I'll check to see if the assistant has rightly instructed the team to close down Ozil. It should be noted that if I decided to follow my more cautious approach, I may set up the team with: Mentality: Counter Team Shape: Flexible TIs: Higher Tempo, Close Down More, More Direct Passing PIs: N/A The reasoning behind this is to encourage a lower level of risk without allowing the opponent to box the team in their own half. In terms of signings, I like players that come into the side to fit with the style already implemented at the team. Despite this, I usually always look for determined and hardworking players who can stay fit to run for the full match. In training, I like to leave it to my background staff as I feel that they are usually a lot better at preparing the team than I am. I like my teams to be fit and well balanced. I'll end this here for the time being, but if anyone has any advice or would like to know more, let me know!
  8. I'm not. I'm asking if there are any recognised best ways to gain an advantage over specific styles. There are obviously going to be several ways to beat a side, but if it didn't matter how you played then managers would throw out any side without instruction. Styles aren't just chosen based in ideals. They're chosen as reactions to ways others play. People come up with potential solutions to problems, and the same applies to football. You're right, it is contextual. That's why there has to be a practical solution; context also applies to playing styles. if a team goes out with a particular style of play, then that will be in the mind of the manager, and they will know how to react to it, just like they would with regards to specific players and player instructions. Also, what are journalists and fans even referring to if they call a manager pragmatic if there are no pragmatic ways to play? There are reasons why some managers are more successful than others. I recognise that they identify variables and respond to them, I never said that I don't. I was asking because I struggle to comprehend how a playing style cannot be in any way practical.
  9. If there isn't a right way to counteract a style of play, does that not mean that there's no point even having a style of play? There has to be a practical solution. okay, so the theory is too generalistic, so let's apply it to the teams you've mentioned. It's Barcelona Vs Bayern. The managers have set up their sides to play according to the players at hand. How do the managers decide on how to adjust their tactics according to their opponent? There has to be practical guidelines that allow them to know how to deal with specific threats, yet some managers will often come up with different ideas for the same opponent. It doesn't make sense to me. Look at Mourinho, he came from the same Barcelona breed of managers like Guardiola and Van Gaal, yet he comes out of it with completely different ideas of how the game should be played. Yet both sides of the coin are extremely successful. There must be something practical behind it that they all embody.
  10. That's fair enough. I understand what you mean, but I disagree that you cannot at least do it in a general sense. In Lines and Diamonds by THOG, he specifically states about pressing: I understand that there are many variables in football. Of course there are, it's part of what makes the game beautiful. What I'm looking for is a practical sense of what works against what, similar to how THOG has talked about the benefits of pressing a possession based side. From there, I believe I can factor in variables in order to build a bigger picture.
  11. Okay, so lets say that Team A and team B set out the exact same PIs, roles, and formation, and have players of equal playing style and ability in their respective position (e.g. team A's DR is equal to team B's DR). That leaves us with mentality, team shape, and TIs. These are the only influences of play. The weather is normal, the ground is neutral and the pitch is normal etc. What if team A played high risk and tried to control possession and bring numbers forward (i.e. maybe control/fluid with short passes), and team B played low risk football with an intent to get play upfield (i.e. maybe counter/structured with direct passes). Which setups are better for which setups?
  12. Hi everyone, I'd like to ask a theoretical question. For this application, we are to assume that both teams are completely equal, and that it is only the strategies in play that define the game. With that in mind, if we were to have several strategies play against each other, which ones would come up out on top? I'm talking attacking, defensive, counter, possession, long ball etc. Take for example, attacking football vs possession football, long ball vs counter attack etc. What would win against what and why?
  13. Hi all, I want to build a tactic that focuses on moving the ball in a simple, practical manner. I'm thinking of a system where the first attacker will be expected to go for the most readily available pass most of the time. This would mean that he would require enough support behind and in front of him to pass to the second attackers feet, or into his short run. The main aim of the tactic is to get the ball from A to B in the most practical and precise way possible, by using the open spaces between the lines and within the channels to retain possession in a forward thinking manner, with a solid backbone to pass back to should the forward option not be available. The teams style of play in defence will be dependant on the approach of the opponent and the scenario. Whether the team defend cautiously or aggressively will depend on the circumstances. My initial thinking is that this would need to be a compact, low risk style of play. However, a structured setup would likely not be compact enough, and a defensive style would likely see the ball being cleared from danger more than I would like? How would you all approach this? Does anything in particular come into mind? Bear in mind, this is just theory at the moment, and would probably need some tweaking depending on the teams this is tested out with. any help will be hugely appreciated.
  14. Can't believe it's that simple! That makes sense, thank you
  15. Hi all! I've noticed that some opposition (especially top teams) start off with a 4-2-3-1 wide or a 4-1-2-3 wide etc. And when I check the average positions of the team after the game, they are somehow able to create a five man flood of the midfield in relation to the formation. I've attached an image of Barcelona doing it - they played a 4-1-2-3 wide for the full match. I have tested Arsenal, Chelsea and Barcelona so far and they all do it in my save. I've tried to replicate it by using inside forwards, asking them to play narrower, asking the team to play narrower etc., but I haven't come close to this in play on my average positions analysis! Any ideas?
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