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  1. 2 hours ago, Experienced Defender said:

    Honestly, a midfield consisting of a regista, BBM and mezzala looks pretty shaky defensively for my liking. Changing the BBM into a BWM on support or a carrilero and switching the mezzala's duty to support would make it not just more stable defensively but also better in terms of space creation in attack.

    The rest of roles and duties look okay to me :thup: 

    When it comes to instructions, I would definitely avoid narrow defensive width when already using a narrow formation (either standard or wider). 

    Well, I am not sure that a high-pressing style is a good idea in a bottom-heavy formation like yours. Actually, you seem to be trying to mix a bit of everything, which usually leads to a lack of tactical identity. 

    Hmm some food for thought. TBH never deployed a Regista so not quite sure how AWOL he will be at times. Switching to a DLP probably makes sense given the hold position instruction on both defend and support?

    Which in theory gives a bit more license to the two in front...

    The mezzalla was on attack purely because the WB on that side is on support. Not a fan of both Wingbacks being on the same mentality, seems bad for variety to me.

    Narrow made sense in my head as with 3 cb's i thought it would force the oppo into crossing.

  2. Cleaned up in my save using the usual 41221 so I am looking at trying something different moving forward. Presuming you had suitable and capable players, anyone see any glaring errors here or any roles they think should be changed?

    Looking to play a high press but with the central CB on cover for a change rather than employing an offside trap - inspired by Coady at Wolves. Tempo set by the Regista (which may end up being a DLP, cos well Regista's are hard to come by!). Bit of everything from the BBM with the Mezzala linking up wide with the LWB. Would like most goals to come from the strikers.

     

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  3. 21 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

    I don't see anything particularly problematic in your setup of roles and duties for a system such as 4231. It's only about nuances. For example, I would swap the CMs, so that the CMde would be in MCR and DLPsu in MCL, mostly because I love the interplay between a DLP, attacking fullback and IF/IW. But it does not mean that your setup is wrong by any means (just nuances, as I said). And I would also change the WB on attack into FB on attack, simply because I don't want to have an overly attack-minded fullback in an inherently vulnerable top-heavy system like 4231. 

    There is also nothing wrong in your instructions as such. The only one that confuses me a bit is the "Play for set pieces", but I guess you have a good reason for using it as a regular part of your tactic.

    Whether this particular tactic - or even 4231 as a formation - is a good choice for your team is a different question, but - again - the tactic as a whole looks quite decent :thup:

    Cheers.

    Both the first DLP and his young up and coming back up have 16+ for corners and freekicks, and one of the centre backs is 6'6", so it seems sensible to me.

  4. 11 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

    :thup:

    Absolutely, that's the most important thing. If the tactic as a whole works well, making changes only to suit a single player/position is never advisable IMHO. Because it can ultimately ruin the tactic that has otherwise been successful. So think twice before you start experimenting ;)

    Maybe, but its a tad annoying when your main man is constantly getting slated in the press and by the fans :lol:

    Any thoughts on the set up as a whole?

     

  5. Having taken Bath from non league to the prem I'm now in 2029/30, my 3rd in the top flight. Played a number of different ways on the journey, starting with target man hoof ball to moving on to a 41221 that the game classed as vertical tiki-taka. The first season in the prem was a grind but came 15th, season 2 much better coming 7th where I deployed this tactic for the last couple of months to massive success. Finally got a squad befitting of the level now and signed this guy below in the summer for £28m :eek:. He's on paper my best player, although another 2 or 3 aren't far off.

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    On the pitch he's massively struggling, no goals and no assists. The team are doing ok, in that we are 5th after 7 games but there's been a few fortunate wins in that. We haven't played as well as we did the season before when using this tactic.

    Now I'd put it down to him struggling to settle but even when we were flying last season whoever played in the AMC slot seemed to struggle. So can anyone see anything wrong with my set up on the whole and secondly see a way off improving this guys performances.

    The only player instructions are on the IF, AM and W - Close down more and tackle harder.

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  6. Managing Bath in 26/27, where we are currently top of the Championship in November. Our second season at the level having lost in the play off final the season before.

    Been at Bath since the start in a save started during the Beta.

    Only just noticed but I haven't won a single managerial award since getting into the Championship. In the lower leagues I did regularly win awards.

    Despite Bath having the lowest rep and lowest wage budget in the league by miles, I wasn't even mentioned for manager of the year last year. And I am yet to even come in the top 3 for manager of the month...we won every game in October, Leicester manager Scott Parker won MOTM with 60% win ratio.

    Whats going on?

     

  7. I'm currently in L1 and have a striker who is 6'1" and has strength of 18, along with about 12/13 for jumping reach and heading. His ideal role is target man but I play him as a DLF - A up top on his own in a 41221 as I don't want long balls hit towards him.

    Whilst being supremely strong and reasonable in the air he's obviously not a giant. What type of crossing would you recommend as being best? Currently on default but perhaps this could be an area of improvement.

  8. Quick query - I am managing Bath City in season 23/24 in a save I started in the beta. We've just been promoted to League 1.

    The season ended and after about a week I got a news item asking me to pick my squad for a pre-season training camp, which started straight away. This was the first I'd heard of it. The players went on that and then have never stopped training all summer.

    Training is handled by the ass man if that makes any difference? What's gone on here any ideas?

    Also, why is terracing banned in my save in L1 and L2 in England? No deal breaker but I cant use most of my ground. 

     

  9. 11 minutes ago, Johnny Ace said:

    I guess because it's one of the most offensive formations & the abundance of World class AMCs & AML/Rs in FM 

    This. I think people get fixated on AMC's not being natural at CM and similar with wide players being natural at AML/R but not ML/R. 4231 as it is in the game gives you the broadest selection of natural players to pick from.

    In reality 4231 is probably the most prevalent formation going, but it doesn't line up anything like it does on FM. I watched Huddersfield play archetypal 4231 gegenpress under Wagner for 3 years, yet it was far more 2DM's and the 3 in the midfield strata, but on FM Mooy wasn't trained at DM at all, none of our number 10s were natural at CM and Kachunga on the right wasn't 'capable' of playing MR, only AMR. 

    I think its a fault of the game User interface, it makes people chase green circles.

  10. I think the championship is where it gets difficult with lower league sides on a roll, you see it in real life. Burton, Yeovil, Luton, Rotherham...all made it there in recent seasons and then find it very difficult. Its where the big clubs and decent players start. So given your wage bill and where you've come from personally I would doubt you have the players to be playing a heavy pressing game against championship opposition? A higher line of engagement with a standard line of defense is also leaving a big gap between your CM's and defense.

    I'd try and formulate a tactic that's a bit safer and concentrate on staying up if I was you.

  11. On 13/12/2019 at 14:54, rockpie said:

    I run a save with Bath City every year. Love the club. Seriously consider checking them out.

    Ryan Brunt (I think) is a monster.

    Just taken Bath to L2 in 22/23 after a 2 season stay in the National League, with the save I started on beta day.

    Reluctantly released Brunt at the end of 21/22 after he missed half that season with Injury. Nobody picked him up and he retired, the guilt still hurts.

  12. One of the features I want every year is a ground editor.

    TBF, I think FM does a decent job with lower league grounds, there's a lot of variety and they look decent 6 foot giant footballs aside.

    Its the big modern stuff that looks rubbish. 'Wembley' looks like it was built in about 1970 and I've just played the world cup in Qatar and half the grounds I played in were proper English Goodison Park types grounds.

  13. It's not worth doing anything at this level other than replacing players. There's literally 100s of players you could replace him with in any given transfer window of similar if not better ability, and hardly anyone at this level has the sort of potential that make them worth persisting with.

    And even if they did, they wont reach it with Guiseley whilst training part-time and playing crap opposition.

    Get in the best 'peaked' solid players you can and worry about improving kids when you are pro and probably in L2 at the earliest.

  14. Thoughts on this? Working ok so far, 3rd in Vanarama South in October but just looking for any obvious improvements I've missed. Could do with scoring more goals as I'm seeing a lot of single goal victories but the defence is pretty tight.

    LLM so the idea is nothing fancy, work hard, get it wide and get the ball in the box. Brunt is the only viable striker at the club (first window transfers off) and can literally do nothing but be a target man. Harvey is the best player by a country mile so looking to get the TM feeding him chances in and around the box. Surprising how deep a TM - S drops though...

    Will eventually try and swap the CM - D for a DLP and try and play more football.

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  15. Looking for some help developing a 41212, to be utilised by my Derry City side. It is a formation I've always liked and it seems to be making something of a comeback irl, but one I have rarely used on FM. Attraction is the midfield options and getting to play 2 strikers. Having had the best years of my football watching life over the last few seasons watching HTFC I am very much in the Klopp/Wagner/German style camp when it comes to my thoughts on how football should be played, so I am looking for endless pressing, high line, high intensity football. Attached is the formation I have come up with, along with the following instructions:

    Out of Possession

    • Higher Line (Would prefer much higher but this is a compromise based on being Derry without super quick CB's!)
    • Higher Line of Engagement (same compromise reasons as above)
    • Use offside trap
    • Use tighter marking
    • Extremely Urgent Pressing

    In Transition

    • Counter-press
    • Distribute to full backs (Would eventually prefer CB's but this is a safety compromise as loads of sides play 2 strikers and FB's should have more space)

    In Possession

    • Play out of defence

    The theory is that it starts as a 41212 but morphs into a 3412 in attack. HB slots into the backline making a 3, FB and WB provide the width.

    I have gone with a WB-S and FB-A just to try and provide a bit of variety, rather than having two Wingbacks potentially doing the same thing on both sides. The 3 in front of the HB I am open to suggestions. I envisage the Carrilero being a general workhorse who will cover for the overlapping FB. I'd rather have a RP than a DLP but no chance of getting anyone suitable for that role at the level I am playing at. I am unsure on the AM, I see him creating and scoring in fairly equal measure so I have him on attack so he gets in the box, otherwise just 2 men are likely to be in there at most.

    AF is the bloke I see scoring most of the goals, with the PF being a menace but still scoring a few.

    Any thoughts on the roles selected for this formation? I'm pretty comfortable with the instructions getting something along the lines of the style of football I want (without going too OTT) but any thoughts on the whole thing would be most welcome.

     

     

     

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