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@Cloud9 @wazzaflow10 I do appreciate you taking the time out to give your thoughts. However you're (perhaps inadvertently) somewhat backing up what my biggest issue with the game is and what I was trying to highlight in my initial post- namely that the game itself should be giving me more information to inform the decisions I'm making, rather than me having to come on here and post a tactic.
I'm not asking the game to hold my hand and tell me how I can win each and every game. But I feel like my coaches and assistances should essentially be acting as my eyes and ears and feeding back on where we're struggling in game. Just a couple of lines in the dugout like 'Bastia are sitting deep so we're struggling to find space in behind' or 'Bastia are playing very narrow and letting us have the space out wide.'
Neither of these things are telling me what specific instructions I should change but they are at least helping inform any changes I make. In previous versions you could see heatmaps and other information during the match which was really useful- it could inform if I had a player who was getting too isolated or if the opposition was playing very deep or narrow. Now I have to wait until half time to see that and the general response is 'watch the full match.'
I've no interest in watching full games. The day that becomes essential is the day I stop playing as I just don't have the time or the desire to dedicate that sort of time to a game.
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On 24/05/2024 at 15:30, KingCanary said:
I'd stopped playing for a while as I'd grown bored of my long term save. I've recently tried to start a new one and my main feeling about FM24 is frustration because the biggest issue with this game is the same as it has been for 3 or 4 years in that the game offers players absolutely no useful feedback.
Backroom staff are beyond pointless. The only reason to hire coaches and assistants is to take training sessions and make sure players aren't unhappy. From a tactical or squad management input though I might as well have hired my four year old. Have you considering demoting your top scorer to a squad player for no reason? Have you considered dropping your most inform defenders for these players I like?
Then when you get into a match it is somehow worse. I understand sometimes teams shut my tactics down but why can't my staff give me any insight into why? If I'm 30 minutes in, against a team I'm favoured to beat and I've managed one shot on goal, where is the insight? Are the opposition sitting too deep for my longer passing to exploit? Are they man marking my playmaker and dispossessing them with ease? Are they shutting down passing lanes forcing my defenders to go long? Who can tell? Certainly not my staff. They might suggest I try and win some set pieces though.
So just to add an example of this. I'm managing Ajacco here, we're in good form (6 wins in the last 7 games) playing Batista who have won two of the bounce following a run of 10 games without winning. We're 4th in the league, they 14th. We have one of the best attacking records in the league, they have one of the worst defensive records. At the 36th minute stage of the match it's 0-0 and I've managed one shot on goal. Ok, this happens some times. I wonder if there is any insight into what is going wrong?
My backroom staff have helpfully pointed out that we've only had one shot. They're also claiming we've created some chances from set pieces (which as far as I can see means 'we've won a couple of freekicks that have led to nothing.') The visualiser is telling me that all our attacks are coming from the flanks (I'm using a wing play tactic so this isn't a great shock) but no insight as to why we might be struggling in the middle of the field.
I'm sure there are folks who are smarter than me who can look at this and immediately diagnose the issue. I'm not one of them and it leads to a very frustrating experience that I'm provided absolutely zero insight to help me consider some potential tactical tweaks. I shouldn't need to spend hours on a forum getting a PhD in tactics to be able to make an informed guess as to what I need to change.
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Very minor bugbear of mine.
Valencia have just approached me for an interview (I didn't apply) and the second question is 'You've done some highly impressive work in your current club, why do you want to leave?'
Err, you approached me? I'm talking to you to find out if I do want to leave.
I'd love to see some differences between interviews for jobs I've applied for and interviews for jobs where a club is actively looking to poach me.
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I'd stopped playing for a while as I'd grown bored of my long term save. I've recently tried to start a new one and my main feeling about FM24 is frustration because the biggest issue with this game is the same as it has been for 3 or 4 years in that the game offers players absolutely no useful feedback.
Backroom staff are beyond pointless. The only reason to hire coaches and assistants is to take training sessions and make sure players aren't unhappy. From a tactical or squad management input though I might as well have hired my four year old. Have you considering demoting your top scorer to a squad player for no reason? Have you considered dropping your most inform defenders for these players I like?
Then when you get into a match it is somehow worse. I understand sometimes teams shut my tactics down but why can't my staff give me any insight into why? If I'm 30 minutes in, against a team I'm favoured to beat and I've managed one shot on goal, where is the insight? Are the opposition sitting too deep for my longer passing to exploit? Are they man marking my playmaker and dispossessing them with ease? Are they shutting down passing lanes forcing my defenders to go long? Who can tell? Certainly not my staff. They might suggest I try and win some set pieces though.
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On 26/04/2024 at 20:33, RDF Tactics said:
For me, Ajax specifically making signings isn't an issue and shouldn't really break immersion - especially looking at their recent recruitment IRL. I'm sure they've spent over 100million Euros this season and 113million last year. (Signing Calvin Bassey for 20mil from Rangers).
The big issue is, IMO, them not using their youth system, at all. Pushing their younger players who are talented into their Jong team. And them creating no pathway for their youth players with their squad building not prioritising the youth system as it should.
The issue wasn't them spending money- it was the profile of players it was going on. Bassey is 24 and was 22 when signed. In game I've seen Ajax spend big sums on players who were 30 or older when a quick glance on transfer market suggests the most they' spent on a player in that age range was Geronimo Ruli at £8m.
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8 hours ago, NineCloudNine said:
I think this is a really good point. Some clubs have youth development deeply embedded in their culture, others are known for buying stars. Managers similarly differ.
This is absolutely not reflected in the behaviour of clubs or managers in FM, even though those culture and preference tendencies are indicated on club and manager profiles.
Chairperson (and thus club) objectives also allow for a wide range of transfer preferences, none of which are ‘enforced’ in the game.
It does seem that dialling up the importance of these already existing tools would go a long way to making youth development stronger, as well as providing significantly greater variation in AI club/manager behaviour overall and offering a wider range of challenges for players.
Yes this is something I'd love to see.
It breaks immersion to see a team like Ajax going out and spending £20m+ on players who are aged 30 and over.
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I'm assuming this is a bug and I'll raise a report but I just had a goal VAR reviewed reportedly for offside, directly from a corner. Obviously wasn't disallowed but I think it would be pretty much impossible to be offside straight from a corner?
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3 hours ago, XaW said:Well, SI have said to post these things in the bug tracker before, as that's the place where they can actually check for potential bugs, so I still think that's the place for these kinds of things. Really don't think anyone would accuse you of clogging it up there. Currently you are closer to clogging up this thread that you will ever be posting there.
While I appreciate the finger guns, I think saying someone providing feedback in the feedback thread is 'clogging it up' is a bit rubbish. You're the mod though I guess...
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9 minutes ago, RDF Tactics said:
But instead, the options I have aren't what I actually want to say. Even in situations where you literally can't afford what they're asking for, the player should recognise you aren't in a financial position to offer. You don't have the option to say "I would love to give you a new contract but as you're aware, the clubs financial situation doesn't allow that right now but I promise your contract is a priority when the funds are available" or something along those lines. The player should recognise you aren't in a financial position to be offering contracts rather than be completely oblivious about it.
I have seen an option before where a players asks for a new contract and you can say 'even if I wanted to the club can't afford it right now' but that is pre opening talks.
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1 hour ago, XaW said:
If you think it's wrong, like the things about xG, or the news article, then post it in there still. Because SI need example of it to see for themselves. It could be your setup works in a way where they can identify something that they haven't before. So please post in there, and you don't need multiple versions for most bugs, just the save showing it or a saved match.
While I see your point I'm not sure it is the best use of time if I'm clogging up bug forums with stuff I don't actually believe are bugs.
The xG thing for instance- I don't think it is a bug that needs fixing, I think it's largely a situation where morale is a bit overpowered and the game isn't great at providing useful feedback for the player. This isn't something I'd suggest meets the definition of a bug and I'd wager you don't actually think it is a bug either.
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3 hours ago, XaW said:
@KingCanary - I see a lot of posts from you here regarding bugs, but very little in the bug tracker. If you really want to see the issues fixed, please post in there.
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see the things I'm flagging as bugs- the systems are working, I'm just feeding back that the results can seem off.
Also I just don't tend to keep multiple versions of the same save and frankly I shouldn't need to just in case for a game that came out months ago.
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4 minutes ago, Costav said:
Ok. So, did you report it in the bug forum?
No because I don't think its a 'bug' per se.
I put it in the feedback thread because my feedback is this sort of thing needs to be tightened up.
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6 minutes ago, Costav said:I am sorry to say it out loud, but if this is the kind of thing that is breaking your immersion my feeling is that you are a bit exaggerating...
I mean, the news came out and the article stated that your player doesn't want to move, so first of all there is nothing strange in the real dynamic of the game.
Second, Everton may have a greater reputation than Norwich (you are only a couple of seasons further, reputation cannot be changed drastically), so it is not an impossible comparison in terms of reputation etc...
It's not the most realistic news ever, sure, but in real life you hear a lot of extravagant news/connections between players and teams that I would not mind so much about this...that's why I have the feeling that those kinds of comments are a bit too much, especially when compared to the actual problems the game hasI'm in 2028, so entering my 6th season in the game. My team have won two Premier League titles in the last three years along with a Europa League, an FA Cup. We're going into our 3rd straight season of Champions League football.
Everton, in those 6 seasons, have spent four years in the Championship and this current season will be their 3rd in a row in the second tier.
We have a 4.5 star worldwide reputation, Everton have a 3 star reputation.
I'm not exaggerating that it breaks my immersion to have the press asking me questions about whether I'll be hanging on to my top scorer in the face of interest from a team in the second tier.
Imagine if, IRL, a journalist asked Spurs this summer how they feel about Southampton wanting to buy Harry Kane. It wouldn't happen and it's silly.
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Another example of a silly little thing that breaks immersion.
Evan Ferguson has been the top scorer in my Norwich team that just won the title for the second time in three years. Everton are in the Championship. I know the news item says Ferguson isn't keen on the move but in what world would this link even exist? A Championship team trying to buy the top scorer of the Premier League champions?
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14 hours ago, kentonizking said:
For my reference, Norwich had Steve Walsh for a year. He was so incredibly slow it was crazy
As another Norwich fan I'd add when we had John Hartson just before he retired.
Amazing to think he was only 32.
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9 hours ago, The About Average Jake said:
Penalty animations....
Discuss.
I like in a shootout when a player goes straight from his halfway line walk into his run up.
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3 hours ago, SirBagger said:
I've played Championship manager/Football manager since before the millenium.
I skipped FM23 and was pretty happy about it. I think FM24 is the best stage the game has ever been. I'm looking forward to FM25.
However, there's one thing that have bugged me immensely with FM24. It seems to me, that it's easier than it has ever been before. It seems to me, that I can basically get away with everything, as long as there's good familiarity with the tactics and my popularity.
If that's so, I do get that you want new players to get in, but on the flipside, that can also mitigate against player retention. You've been vocal about, wanting to get as close to the real manager experience, but still streamline it enough so everyone can get aboard. I think FM is currently a tad too arcadic.
It's not fun particular for me, to hit a certain threshold with any team, and then it's a guarantee a cruise from there on, no matter what I do. It feels like that right now and it makes it harder for me to get back, because it doesn't feel like an achievement and the authenticity is diminished.
I suggest if you both want to reach wider, while still maintaining to be an authentic simulator (you're still a niche afterall), is perhaps to make two modes. One is the Football manager experience that is more streamlined, and another mode that emphasis even harder on the authenticity and realism aspect. That way you can have your cake and eat it too. Maybe have toggles so you can have it streamlined, but also sprinkle it with a more gritty nature?
Anyway, I think FM24 on one hand, is the best version of Football Manager ever... but ironically, it's also the hardest one for me to get back to, because of the reasons above.
I absolutely agree about this being overall the best game but at the same time by the far the easiest.
I'm 5 seasons into my game starting as Championship Norwich and already have 2 Premier League wins, an FA Cup, a Europa League and a Champions League final to my name. In previous versions I've been able to get to the top of the tree but its taken much longer and generally I've struggled to move from being a top 7/8 side to being a title winner.
I'm not downloading exploit tactics, I've just made tweaks to the preset options generally and I've had immediate success. Even though I've moaned about the annoying runs where you suddenly can't score/the opposition is lethal, in general winning games is far too easy. In previous versions I've struggled to get wins against the top teams, this year I've already got wins over PSG, Barca, Madrid, AC Milan and Juventus in my two Champions League seasons, along with regularly having thumping wins v Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool etc in the league.
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1 hour ago, KingCanary said:
I've complained before about the frequency of matches where you dominate but under achieve xG and opponent over achieves. I've seen less of it over time but I think the biggest frustration is how you suddenly find yourself in runs where this keeps happening.
I pulled the numbers from my last 5 games where I've been on one of these runs just to show and make sure I'm not going crazy.
So across these 5 games my opponents are averaging 1.2 goals per game, despite averaging 0.62 xG, while I'm averaging 1 goal a game while creating an xG 2.2 goals per game.
Maybe I'm creating loads of low % chances and conceding loads of high % ones. But it doesn't seem so...
In 3 of the 5 games I've had a better xG per shot than my opponent.
I know games like this happen but when you go on one of these runs and the game offers no explanation or useful feedback it feels a bit like its pulling down the shutters and saying 'lets make this artificially harder.'
Maybe it is beyond the game at this point but I'd like my analysts or coaches to be coming to me and saying 'striker X has been missing lots of high % chances recently and his morale is low' or 'keeper Y is getting beaten by lots of shots from range, we need to work on closing down those opportunities.'
Instead I'm asked to dig through a not very useful data hub and click through 100 screens just to give myself even the slightest hint of what might be happening.
Wonderful to see the game saved the cherry on the top of this particular run for last (these were my final 6 games of the season).
So by final count my opposition managed 15 goals from an xG of about 5.5, my team managed 6 from an xG of 13.68.
I don't buy into the conspiracies that some do about the game being rigged etc etc but it is tough not to get frustrated when things like this happen. I'm assuming it is a morale issue where some key players had a bad game or two and spiralled but it is extra frustrating as this morale/form collapse has come at a time when morale should be highest- literally the first game of this weird run was the game that won us the league!
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I've complained before about the frequency of matches where you dominate but under achieve xG and opponent over achieves. I've seen less of it over time but I think the biggest frustration is how you suddenly find yourself in runs where this keeps happening.
I pulled the numbers from my last 5 games where I've been on one of these runs just to show and make sure I'm not going crazy.
So across these 5 games my opponents are averaging 1.2 goals per game, despite averaging 0.62 xG, while I'm averaging 1 goal a game while creating an xG 2.2 goals per game.
Maybe I'm creating loads of low % chances and conceding loads of high % ones. But it doesn't seem so...
In 3 of the 5 games I've had a better xG per shot than my opponent.
I know games like this happen but when you go on one of these runs and the game offers no explanation or useful feedback it feels a bit like its pulling down the shutters and saying 'lets make this artificially harder.'
Maybe it is beyond the game at this point but I'd like my analysts or coaches to be coming to me and saying 'striker X has been missing lots of high % chances recently and his morale is low' or 'keeper Y is getting beaten by lots of shots from range, we need to work on closing down those opportunities.'
Instead I'm asked to dig through a not very useful data hub and click through 100 screens just to give myself even the slightest hint of what might be happening.
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44 minutes ago, XaW said:
That's on you mate.
Fair enough although I'd argue it is bizarre to have this ticked by default, especially if you've only got one player on your penalty takers list.
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Fuming about this one
Adam Idah is my penalty taker. He's the only one selected in the list. He's scored a penalty already, has a penalty taking stat of 18 and is still on the pitch when we win another. So why on earth has the game decided someone else is taking the penalty, who is signifcantly worse at taking penalties and doesn't even have the old 'on a hat trick' excuse.
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22 hours ago, Zachary Whyte said:
Hello, starting from 2026 onwards there is a new international calendar which has 4 successive fixtures in that period.
This means there is a gap between club fixtures, it's not necessarily a month break for everyone but it can be for some clubs such as yourself.
This is an intentional change as it is based on the real life planned schedule from 2026 onwards.
Thanks, didn't realise that and appreciate the answer.
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On 08/01/2024 at 17:02, KingCanary said:
Minor question- does anyone else get frustrated by the amount of agents/players who won't negotiate when it comes to contracts?
I don't mean they won't enter talks- just they'll come in with a number and will not budge one inch off it. I just looked to extend a couple of players with two years to run on their deals- they both wanted uplifts on their salary, fair enough but both would just not budge at all on weekly wage. One came in at £110k p.w- I said £86k (a rise from his current £68K), he said £110k. I said £92k he said £110k. I said £100k he said...£110k. Second player said £88k. I said £68k (a rise from his current £60k) he said...£88k. Again and again.
Not saying this doesn't and shouldn't happen but I've seen it a lot this year and you'd think players sometimes might be happy with an extra two years on their deals and an extra £10-20k p/w on their wages.
Just bumping this one as I'm now having it with basically every contract renewal- player/agent sets a figure and will not budge off it by even £1k, unless I set my figure to locked. Feels a bit off.
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Not sure if there is something obvious I'm missing but in my last two seasons of my save there is a month long gap between fixtures from mid-September to mid October. Went back and looked and it has only started happening in the last two years, both of which I'm in the Champions League for so not sure if it is related to that- although it seems like every team has this break, Europe or not.
There is the normal international break but then no games for two weeks afterwards.
Last season it ran from 19th September to 17th October. This season it was 18th September to 16th October.
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Firstly, no problem with a bit of disagreement- we all like to play the game differently.
I'm not looking to autopilot- far from it. I certainly wouldn't want the game hand holding and telling me 'to beat this team you need to do this.' What I'm looking for is a bit of useful context so my options aren't either watch matches on full or make total stabs in the dark as to what is/isn't working. I'm watching on comprehensive highlights so I'm not skimming. I just personally don't have endless hours I can commit to the game and the more the game nudges me towards having to watch chunks of the match on full highlights in order to make tactical decisions then the longer each match takes. I'm just not interested in a situation where if I have a couple of hours to play I'm only getting through one or two actual matches.
It doesn't even need to come in the form of assistant advice- I come back to the fact a couple of years ago the game showed you heat maps and similar during the match. This was useful as it meant I could at least get a bit of basic information- is opposition pushing up, is my lone striker too far up the pitch and getting isolated etc etc. None of these things told me 'you have to change this setting or instruction' but it gave me a useful starting point.