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  1. Example of why I don't mark CB's and what can CF(A) do with just moving and laying off balls: heinrichs is here on the ball and Lautaro is getting ready to press him and close his passing lanes, Ox (no 11) has closed the pass option to other side of the pitch and only safe options are CB's Panzo here has few options, heinrichs is viable at the moment, but other lanes are blocked and in addition Trent has improved his position since he safely returned to his position now he will stretch himself to cover that flank from a trough ball, Pavard is getting ready to cover front and Van Dijk will cover behind and he is moving forward o catch their striker offside Panio decides to move with ball and see if any option becomes viable, but finds himself in even bigger problem, since Heinrichs is now cut out and he is getting closed down from the same side, Lautaro is both blocking a lane and closing player on the ball now other lines xcept CB and GK ones are now completely cut off Notice few things here, Panio opted for ball over the top which Pavard gets to, notice positioning of CWBs he was high up pressing and helping MEZ and CF, now he has a good position for our counter, while Trent on other side has a deep starting position from which he can still help with defence in case of possession loss and he can get ready to push up, mid players are now starting their back movement in order to support the player with the ball, but.... A wild Libero appears, he does his biding, his role is exactly this, he is now in safe space since the striker opted to close Pavard down instead of cutting passing lane, Van Dijk can now carry the ball out of defence, notice the positionong of midlefield and how CWBs stood his ground ready to charge down the flank, mine other CB on right side pushed wide in order to provide a passing option in case of pressure... Transition starts, Van Dijk moves the ball up while other mid players come to support him, now you can see the diamond between mine MC's AMC and Libero, they are opening few passing lanes while initial press is avoided since their strikers are out of place now Now Trent and Robertson start their run, they are both runing as Woodburn (deployed as AP(S)) is in position to pick out few players, whole right side is open and Trent is overlaping from get go while Ox will get a bit narrower to offer a passing option in case that the ball goes to his side... Woodburn dribles forward while Robertson stays near line and offers both width and a threat to surge forward, but its already all over, mezzala is switching places with him and going inwards while AP drew 3 players with his movement, Lautaro singled out opponent on the edge of the box both Ox and Trent are in channels and ready to attack the space Lautaro makes a run towards left side and Woodburn plays him, while he gets near corner line he draws opposition to him while Robertson now exploits that fee space, on other side AP offers backpass on edge of area while Ox and Mezzala are on other side ready for cross Lautaro plays backpass to Robertson and he is now ready to drop a whiped ball on far post where OX is all ready to tap it in and score a goal.... From starting press to successful defense and a goal... Issues I had in this particular game: I committed too many fouls and allowed set pieces, their goal came from a set piece with a good long shot from heinrichs Allowed a lot of corners since I opted for mine 2ndry GK which I want to develop he isn't the best one yet but I have high hopes but their shoot on sight policy was a nuisance at some times since I wasn't that confident as I would be in Becker, Positives: 80% or so of mine SoT were from inside penalty box and we had quite a number of shots on goal pressing part was good and rendered their attacking movement from open play generaly useless we had good transitions esp on compact part of game where i opted to play normal def line and much lower engagement line which makes it easier to win 2ndry headers and to draw opposition out
  2. Each year FM gives me a new chance to try out different things, mainly i stay within mine principles and use mine 451(4-1-2-2-1 DM WIDE) and focus on making different combinations within it to counter specific tactics and exploit certain weaknesses, but as game goes on you are bound to run into trouble, imagine playing a game heavily focused on your AML/AMR positions and then you find your team gets injuries and you are stuck withou your main players ( yeah Mane and Salah Y U NO STAY FIT!?). Since the mentioned gentleman were kind enough to get injured during different periods of time I had something to work with... Liverpool squad was mine personal challenge to see how it goes cos I consider them one of the best rated teams in this years FM, they maybe don't have BiS players allround but when you look at a team as XI I doubt any team in world has such immense potential and strength in FM(Personal opinion), so I wanted to stay famous HEAVY METAL style of play and above mentioned happened... Liverpool have maybe best RB in world, those stats are something we all lust for since DAni Alves days, and on other hand their LB isn't far behind. They have strong CB's (and lots of rotation options), goalie with great distribution stats, Mid is just superb tho I did made few more signings for the future and let some ppl go since they didn't suit me, and you have one and only Boby Firmino, best allrounded striker(read all purpose striker) we can argue messi is better in F9 roles etc but Messi cant play as Target man(discutable IK) so Boby Firmino in this years FM is something I always wanted from a striker, he can do it all. Now lets get to tactical business, when you see a 4231 most people are drawn to it by its natural attacking intent and sometimes people end up not being able to pick a role for 1 position to make they from 6 click together, then people see 451 and get amused by its allround potential of sheer power and control in each aspect of game, and get confused when penetration comes in and they get fairly static roles and can't find where to exploit space and start scoring, I like to say I took best of both, but others will judge that, lets see what are the weaknesses of both tactics: 4231: Blue areas are areas where you lack influence, Red area is area which generally gets "overlycomplicated" in lots of systems we see. To avoid that weakness of the space between MC line and CB line we can use a DM but then we loose a player on some other position and then we loose general impact in opponents half, options are to commit a RB/LB or one/both MC to cover that area and play "double pivot" system, as I personally am not fond of that sacrifice in attacking potential and the fact I'm missing a winger at the time it was impossible to morph into this 451: Again blue areas are places where you lack bodies and red is something taht mostly gets congested by bodies when you overdo static roles which gets even more congested if you choose a "drops deep" striker role, so to avoid worst tactics and to get best without using a winger in mine case I had to make something new. Morpheus: So lets start from defense: SK(A) when you push up high and have a keeper as Becker who can pinpoint throw ball for some neat counters then SK(S) is minimal I would go for, SK(A) is personal pick since I feel Liverpool is a good enough team to deploy this role BPD(St) I have trust in mine CB's, I know they are fast, I know they can all pass so BPD for some over the top passes from time to time isn't that bad of an idea, generally I would use standard CB(St) for these 2 since BPD does have take more risk hardcoded in his PI's and that can be a real game thrower with some players(Matip I'm talking 'bout you) L(A) the long awaited role for me, I've been waiting for this for ages, I always wondered about SW strata logic and never found reason behind it, even more when Bielsa had his Bilbao season, I swear that season I was like when is Bilbao gonna play again? I wanna see what that madman does, so when I saw his use of Javi Martinez as both CB and then "upgraded" him to DM as some saw I thought he wasn't DM bruh, thats a Libero from old days but he plays a bit different, such a good player(I wanted to see Wenger make a move back then, but we all know that Coquelin and Flamini are OP when compared to Javi Martinez, right Arsene?) so I figured to include this role, few things he does, he acts as a sweeper in defense which means he has kind of a cover duty(I would desribe it as taht) and in attack he gets further forward and gets involved in play somewhere close to DM strata like a DLP-HB hybrid would (thats mine feeling about him), I don't have a player to "exploit" this role to its max potential, De Rossi at his prime would be mine pick for this role I would love to see that happen, but Im stuck with Van Dijk, and don't get me wrong, he has good PPM's for this role, he can defend, he can pass, he is fast, he is tall, he has it all. CWB(S) mine LB role is one of most aggressive roles in game for a simple reason, there isn't anyone there infront of him and I want him to make full use of that width and space on left side, and in defense I want to make him close down until CB's reorganize themselves and then fall back to his slot so I can get a neat 5 man back(yeah sounds like catennacio to me), in attack he will act as a winger tho he will maraud towards their box and contribute in passing game. WB(A) mien RB is plain simple, I want him to do what mine LB does but, I don't want him to have that much of a freedom as CWB but i do want him to be up there at all times so he provides width for mine (remaining) winger, thus logical solutions were FB(A) which is DC strata exclusive or WB(A) since I have utmost trust in Trent I went for WB(A) without a second thought,. MEZ(A) mine favorite roll in FM18 was mezzala, he was something people wanted back from FM 12 days(myb even before) the central winger, we all remember Di Maria in RM when he bossed games in that season which kinda fits into mine description of a Mezzala, his duty in mine system is to get wider, provide support to marauding CWB and link up play and since I dont have a winger on that side he will perform a role of one as many narrow systems do. CM(S) I want mine other MC player to link up mine mid, backline, left and right and attack when needed, so is there a better role then a Henderson filled CM(S)? DLP(S) is too static for me, he would focus more ball to his side, RPM(S) won't provide cover for mine RB, more offensive roles are out of the question, BWM(S) is something I thought of but he is too agressive for mine liking, CM(D) was a thought but, I already have mine Libero who acts like someone from DM strata so making him a pure "HODOR" role is a waste and leads to the issue 451 has with too many static role, carilero is doable but then I felt i would overcomitt myself on one side with 3 players (RW, MCR, RB) while I actually want to release some tension from mine RW, so for me CM(S) felt like a best pick. AP(S) When I started this write up I thought ahead if someone saw mine tactical preview and fit players in, how many of you dear (proly bored) readers would put Firmino in here? AP(S) has an issue which comes and hits him hard, and that is opposing DM, he can easily mark AP(S) out of game, but if that AP(S) is allrounded player with technique, agility, flair, balance, strength and speed to outmatch most DM's in game with his smart movement, will that happen? That is the reason I put Firmino in here, he has immense workrate and stats that he fits in here perfectly, tbf when I was doing this role and brainstorming i thought of some great 10's and F9's and tried to see for myself do i want another player in ST strata, maybe CM strata so he can surge forward? both of those positions crossed mine mind, but I opted for AMC for simple reason, he can pressure CB's he can pressure DM's he can go to either side, he doesn't have to drop or surge, he is right where I want him, in that "channel" between theirs MC's and CB's just by being there he is pressuring opposition to decide who will take care of him? is it gonna be an MC? CM? DM? Ill add some more info on what i mean in general write up after roles discussion. IF(S) mine right wing player (depending on mine injury luck I mirrored mine tactic so both Mane and Salah played this role in their respective sides) this is a simple role, cut inside, be there, be a threat, suplement to that AP(S) tuck in that FB for RB make a mess out of their backline just by adding sheer numbers, similar as MEzala does on left he does here, he makes oposition wonder whom to mark, where to go? do they mark IF(S) and leave space for RB? Do they mark him and leave AP(S) free? what about ST then? ou can get the pic Finally dear (probably sleepy by now) reader final role is ST ST there were few roles i considered here, if I make him drop, he will make an overload with Mezala, CWB and AP on that side, but if that does happen who is mine pressence in box? RW? and who else? If I make him punch the line, great, Poacher then, but then he won't get involved in game, AF then well AF could work but this is personal prefference, AF will pressure backline, and sometimes I wanna drop a bit and give some breathing room to them, if that happens he will get isolated or maybe he won't be able to influence game enough, I opted for CF as he is "COMPLETE" as name says, he is in mine opinion a Trequartista with defensive responsibility, why do I say this? CF will do it all what any role does, but CF is most unpredictable role in FM by far (some may argue Treq's RMD's etc) but for me CF is the one, he can drop, push, pass, dribble, he isn't told to do a specific thing he is just there to make nightmare for you when you watch the game and yell at him PAAASSS DONT SHOOT FROM THERE PAAAAS FFS or he is there to provide a pass/shoot which will leave you stunned and make you ask yourself how did he see that? I enjoy that gamble, CF is the role that can bring a joy to a hardcore FM fan, he has so much freedom that he might do stuff you have never seen or he might do things which will make you punch a hole trough your monitor, is he a genius or a troll? we don't know.... I had a 2nd striker in Sturridge and lured Lautaro Martinez mine way at half season to play that ST role, sometimes when I was using mine youngsters even Firmino got his share of playing there... So why did a put out a 523 formation (FM says its 523) and called it Morph between 451 and 4231? Well lets get over the details: 4231 weaknesses are distance from MC to CB line and distance from RB/LB to RW/LW how does this negate them? -Libero removes that lack of player in DM by joining attack and adds numbers in defence when ball is lost so the DM weakness isn't there anymore -Fullback to Winger distance, playing Fullbacks(I call them like that regardless of the strata they take) in DM strata (so called WBL/WBR) makes them join attack faster, and by giving them offensive minded roles they will join attack faster during transitions, left side is something you often see in narrow systems ie Lazio, Juve etc and right side is something you see in teams that have quality fullbacks and winigers ie pedro-Alves back in days Marcelo-Roki(CR7), Trent-Salah, Bellerin-Walcott,, wait wut!? 451 weaknesses were the lack of player in that AMC slot and again distance between wings and Fullbacks -AMC slot filled there is a player there now and DM slot is still there in Libero since he will occupy that position So anyone who has calculator at home can say HUH 4231 has 4 players up fron and 2 MC's behind you have 3 players and 2 MC's that is no 4231 you liar, yes but no. The simple math I used is this mine striker is well a striker but he is offset to a side and told to stay wider to encourage him to be a bit more like where an IF(A) would finish his run then where a Striker would be during the match, and on other hand mine CWB will provide width like a winger would do and mezzala can link them both up to the rest of the team, idea is movement of a team as a whole, ie in 451 you would get more numbers in mid by moving F9 in there and then you will get superior numbers idea here is whole team tries to do a +1 in a zone at all times. In defensive phase there are 5 true backline players in middle there are 7 players 7! and that is when CF does a decision not to drop in and punch ahead instead, in offensive phase when ie cross gets in from lets say left you will have 3-4 players in box and 1-2 around, cross from right you have 4-5 players in box and 1-2 around... In attacking phase I want mine team to have options, 451 has that neat F9 movement that many of us like he drops and lets others get ahead of him ie Messi-Villa, Eto'o-Henry sort of thing but here no one drops you already have a withdrawn player which is AP, on other hand in 4231 you can outdo opposition by sheer numbers, CWB(S) joining in adds width and Libero steping up adds depth teams you face have too manu factors to account whom to mark and when when you move the ball, by roles and duties and positioning of players you can make overloads on either side and add to confusion to unlock the other side, or why not unlock the middle? In mine personal opinion I made this as a backup backup plan when i faced injury issues and I had the luck of foresight that I had players bought who can play in those roles, This is a tactical write up, it isn't about results its about a try to make something new and out of ordinary, mine TI's change during the matches depending on whom am I facing, do i need more width? less? more urge to pass the ball? Do i wanna lock mine side up? Do I want to exploit certain weakness? Do i wanna step off a bit and allow them to go further up the pitch, many factors as you all know. I made this because of mine squad issues but since i quite enjoyed the playstyle I got and movement off the ball Im thinking of building up a squad and starting a whole new save with this tactic in mind, am I glad I watched Bielsa and his madman moves now... For all that were courageous enough and had the spare time to read share your thoughts if you have any, maybe I'm playing with a overpowered team, maybe this won't work with some other sides, maybe I just had luck, and maybe this saved mine season out of sheer luck, you never know what happens in FM under the hub, but damn I love it when FM forces me to do things from scratch and denies me of playing mine best XI all the time. I should write PI's for the end if someone actually finds interest in this (highly doubtable): SK(A) - none BBP(St) - Stay wider on both L(A) - none CWB(S) - none WB(A) - none CM(S) - Hold position, close down more MEZ(A) - Close down more AP(S) - Roam from position, Close down more IF(S) - Roam from position, Close down more, Sit narrower CF(A) - Stay wider, Close down more, Mark specific position (DR) Marking instruction for STCL is a try to allow their CB's to have the ball until they get near AP(S), I want to allow them to leave the dead zone and Im pressuring close passing lanes and hoping to force a mistake there or to make them go with long ball... Sorry for all the typos and I hope some of you actually enjoyed this write up (and mine bad humor)
  3. True that, personally for me roles are above all else and everything else comes afterwards, since I prefer High pressing and active movement in possession CM(S) seems like best pick for both attack and defense phase since AP could get caught out of possession and CM(S) will hold position enough to unlock taht RB to maraud forward in Dani Alves style, and Guendozi might be mine perfect pick for that role since cos of his "dictates play" PPM I would get a playmakerish sort of CM willing to pull strings from that side,. If I went for something different AP(S) would be better pick ie. Guardiola MC style with KDB or Silva at that AP(S) could unlock defenses with ease from that AP(S) position, but I think I might have more use of CM(S) in long run cos he can be made into Gattusso/Seedorf hybrid both chance maker and limb breaker.
  4. RPM kinda follows he game, that is kinda his thing to do, if you play wider he stays a bit further from the baller(at least it used to work like that) as for Playmaker roles, they kinda all attract ball and then your attacks migth get focused to certain point just cos of the player role, Mezalla has this stay wider thing coded in this years FM, I haven't noticed that either, that means I have to go trough all roles again and check the changes, I mean he is supposed to act as IF from MC strata, but I liked him without that PI, now its kinda bad to combine him with Winger cos he will run too close to him, that means mine Mezalla part falls appart, as for no designated playmaker tactics thsoe are fun, basically its easier to dictate how team plays imo that way, tho I always feel tempted to use F9, but this years F9 just turned me off, he wasn't getting involved at all as F9 (for me atleast) I even trained Lacazette and Driussi for "come deep" PPM tho they aren't perfect plays with 12-14 passing or so, but they worked last year cos its not only about passing on F( its about movement which he didn't do at all... Which formation you wanna implement no plays into?
  5. I used same reasoning in FM 18, tho I used DLP aswell with success since DLP with more risks and with simple pass can unlock defence and provide a pass for that IF(A) on a run, thing is I like DLP cos he doesn't get on edge of box he stays a bit further behind, like Pirloish and from there he can (well irl) see the game better since he has space and time to spot best option, tho it does sound good on paper CM(S) might just be what I need to finish mine attack patterns EDIT: Good point on IF "take more risks" instruction, can't remember if FM 18 had that hardcoded on IF's tho I think I manually set it on IF's back in days
  6. Adding an AP(S) and replacing the DLP was mine general idea, but AP still works as magnet of sorts and he is much higher then a DLP would be, in a manner I see him as choking mine team instead of opening space, cos if he moves forward then he will get in way of IF(A), idea is to free that man up as much as possible, CM(S) is something I gave quite a thought to cos I feel he can do the trick, RPM isn't half bad but his Roaming might just kill mine attacks since roaming is quite unpredictable imo and I don't like things I can't account for... I considered even B2B instead of DLP but then again roaming + getting too much near the IF would kill him... Main issue I get is mine striker, he doesn't get involved as much as I want, I shuffled trough roles on him and gave some real thought to it, only role where I found him doing basically anything is CF(S) tho mine strikers aren't made for all the roles (Lacazette and Aubameyang) but Ill try with DLF(S) again when transfer window comes and Martinez joins me... As for conservative roles I kinda disagree on that, whole idea is playing like I have back 3 instead of 2 and using the remainig 2 as sitter runner pair, since I still find that HB performs better then any role from backline while he offers neat little outlet for some good side shifts, if it was ie 352 I would only have 2 mids and 1 would probs be a sitter, if you can see mine reasoning behind the pick of those roles...
  7. Finally I got mine hands onto FM 19, and as I've done it each year I tried to shut myself in from game news so that I can discover new things when I get the game and not allow any spoilers in, but then this happens, since they "tweaked" new system tho Im still unsure for better or worse I found myself a bit lost, after 10 years of FM game finally made me lost, not lost in a sense that I can't win, but in a sense that I can't make mine own style like I used to, basically this is mine idea: https://tactical-board.com/animation/267294c23c0091_bfuk Its not perfect animation, its simply showing movement I try to go for when I play FM https://tactical-board.com/animation/9da22462189c32_bfuk Basically mine fav 451 DM Wide formation. Idea is using HB to split mine CD's and allow mine RB/LB to move up the pitch while RB will act as a winger LB will act as DM in attacking phase since I plan to use him as IWB. Issue comes with mine winger, Idea is to use Winger and mezzalla on left side since winger will create width for mezzalla and space for him to operate, ST will drop a bit kinda like CF(S) and RW is mine IF who should get on the end of the chances since mine RB will provide width on that side, something similar to Klopp/Guardiola(Bayern days) Hybrid. issue is mine striker so far is absolutely awful, mine mezalla and winger don't quite work like they used to in previous FM, I'm keen to hear some new ideas to implement into mine system since I firmly believe that everything else after the role pick is fine tuning while roles are setting the play how you want. Mine idea no. 1 was to use CM(A) instead of Mezalla but he didn't do that much, AP(A) conflicts with CF(S) from time to time and is kinda worse option then CM, B2B roams around and gets dislodged from his position and mine winger gets isolated and adding "roam from position" on winger beats whoel purpose of using a winger there if he won't provide width. Other then that I'm almost satisfied those 2 roles (MC and ST) are killing me atm, nice change by SI. In the end team looks kinda like this: SK(A) WB(S) BPD(D) CD(D) IWB(S) HB(D) DLP(S) MEZ(A) IF(A) W(S) CF(S)
  8. You could have tried overloading one of the sides, 433 wide is one of few tactics that can naturally overload sides, for example in this case, overloading on your right side with support duties so that you force opposing CM, DMCR, AMR and RB to cover your AML, MCL and LB and set space open for your other side to exploit it, you can do this in multiple ways, your setup can work but you don't have any role to provide creativity in that area except B2B and F9, B2B isn't designated creator and although F9 acts in that way he is boxed in by 2 CB's and 2 DM's, mine tactical approach would be to use your CM on some creative duty like AP(s), winger like IF(S) and FB(A) behind them with IF set to sit narrower perhaps, that way you will create overload and overlap on that side which will mean that one of CB's or LB from opposing side will step out from his position to close down your RB or marauding player which will be either IF or AP, doing so your CF or onrushing CM(A) would have position to exploit that channel or your W(A) on other side would get space to get in and cross. Thing about using 2 IWB(S) is great but you are already pushing in a crowded space, and AI will realize that and he will have 2v1 on wings when he defends since his Wide forward players can track back and isolate your lone winger while IWB would stay in middle, you could find yourself in a pinch to punch trough that heavily packed middle and you would need a miracle most of time. Final thing to consider is changing ST role, I would probably go with either Poacher or DLF on any duty, if its poacher he will look to exploit that space you have made, in case of DLF he will somewhat join your overload and pull aditional players with him leaving space for CM(A) and winger on other side to exploit, I would also suggest changing that winger on left side to attack duty so that he gives you width and pins down that side in constant threat, that way he might lure out CB and DM to him just by being there as a decoy, there are many possibilities to deal with these camp tactics which can be deadly on counter, mine prefference is to go gung ho on them, close them down as much as I can and then if i can't do a quick transition on them encircle them and wait for an opening patiently, those 2 DM 2 CB tactics are killer vs most 1 ST tactics, but if you use your team to stretch them around and if you have either a towering or agile striker you can make a joke out of them. Hope I helped ya a bit....
  9. As a EPL fan and a long term Gunner I'm somewhat still disappointed at how things are at Emirates so luckily we have FM 18 to take matters in our own hands, after a good first season I was ready and had the balance to get myself some quality players and start the new era in new direction... As I stated EPL has always been mine favorite league and after years and years of watching it I can tell that now the EPL is loaded with quite few tactical geniuses which each have their own tactical signature, Mourinho and his catenaccio style of low blocks, Guardiola with his pass tiki-taka, Klopp and heavy metal gegenpress, Pochettino high press attack, Sarri with his high def line and good ball retention, Emery with his inverted wingers and more, so I came do a decision to morph best qualities of few of them into one tactic, well lets say tried, others will say if it was a success so far. The main idea is high pressing which can be said is influenced by Liverpool's Klopp and his tactics which are absolutely amazing,(even OX plays fairly good under him), the second idea is to have a backup plan in same tactic which will focus on keeping the ball and creating overload in one side of pitch while other side is left fragile and exploitable, who does it better then Pep(tbh I hate the guy and his pass it pass it style, but he is atm best at utilizing halfpaces in EPL) and finally third man is Wenger, some of you might feel it weird using something from Wenger in allround system but yeah, back in days Wenger played mid-low block in his Invincibles season and it worked for him and will be mine defensive backup if the initial high press fails. The idea What's the big deal here? It's just a 451? Let's say this first, I'm a huge fan of 451 or as some may call it 41221, the simple reason is it has a player in every strata there is, it is much easier to develop young players for me in this system then in any other, you have mid 3 which have a holding player, a runner and creator, you have wide players whom are expected to run create and score, you have wing/full bakcs with different responsibilities and you have a striker, there isn't anymore I could ask for. Team instructions Now the general idea is to use 2 CM's and 3 front players to press high up the pitch, get the ball and do a quick transition which will lead into our goal, easier said then done, we all want that, the other part is mine duties, the left flank is loaded with creative duties, similar to what Sarri did in Napoli and what Pep does in each game, he creates overloads forcing opposition to step out and close down players, the goal here is to have those 3 on left flank closed down by 5 of their players before we switch the ball to other flank, it won't happen every minute, AI isn't that stupid, but it will happen often enough for me, the other side of the pitch has a BBM that roams and might join left side players in creating said overload while freeing mine STC or AMR from their marker since we will add another player into the fry, I would probably use BWM(S) instead of B2B if I haven;t had a quality allrounder like I luckily have, and last part of the overload puzzle is mine DMC, the DMC has DLP role which will make him recycle possession by simply offering mine team a back pass solution when they fail in their intention, also DLP is further away from goal and has a good sight over whole field so he can make that 2nd pass toward other side of the pitch to create an opening for mine RB or AMR, usually DLP will do 2nd passes to RB/AMR who will run in 16m box and then provide assist for STC/AML/Mezzala. The 2nd line of defense is mine other 5 infield players DLP and back 4, they won't be so forcefull in trying to get the ball, they will stand ground and wait for opposition to arrive to them, this makes it easier to defend against pacey wingers since high press will make opposing players hoof the ball 90% of time where you have 5 players who are just waiting to recycle it. That is the general idea, I do make some changes according to match scenes, ie look for overlap shout, if a side is heavily shut in and wants me to attack it and exploit me on counters i will take them on their offer, overlap shout will make mine Wingbacks go further up the pitch and create havoc in wide areas and supllying crosses in penalty box, I also told mine players to try for whipped crosses since I don't quite have any Vanyamas and Girouds who are supposed to join attack, true SMS and Matic are quite tall in FM standards and Lacazette and iwobi aren't to be joked with either but I feel the forwards pace and anticipation is way better weapon for mine players then their height. Mine mid 3 is quite different from most mid trios I've seen over the years in football, the reason behind this is I need a mid 3 that are abble to create, score(CM's) and tackle so I need allrounders, slotting Xavi at his prime in MEzzala or DLP role would spell disaster on multiple levels, same as sloting iniesta in any of mid roles, but being as I am a weird manager with weird ideas i do have that role on the pitch, a pacey agile good balanced dribbler who can assist, that sort of player will always find a place in mine team and that is mine wide playmaker. The whole idea here is to have a team with good decisions, anticipation, workrate and teamwork in addition with good physical stats, each of mine players needs some balance and pace i expect them to close down aggressively and sustain that style of play for 90 minutes. Beauty of tactics so far for me has been when teams open themselves up and try to score one for themselves, then its heavy metal time, press them and retrieve ball in their own half with 3 players almost constantly being forward and sometimes even 4 since Mezzala has a high starting position so when press starts its sometimes 424 formation in their transition phase, with that kind of pressing most teams are forced to clear the ball long and hope it will get to their Diouf style striker who will be disposed. In mine back 4 I have BPD role, this role is there to initiate counter attacks with through balls after the opposition comes near mine def line, so if mine high press fails, and opposition gets to besiege me, this fella will eventually get the ball and try to find either mine RB, AMR, STC, AML or he will try to fin some space for MC's and give them opportunity to orchestrate attacks. OI's OI's are fairly simple as they are there just to prevent buildup from back and force mine front 5 into closing down opposition in their own half. When did I struggle? i struggled heavily vs Conte, his 3511 with diamond mid and 2 WB's gave me hell until I decided to switch mine DM from DLP to BWM(D), the reason I opted for such an option was to try and win that midfield battle, the outnumbered me there, but I had confidence that mine flat 4 will whistand siege from the remaining playerrs which weren't closed down by mine 6 players, simple math was he has 3CB's and 1 DM who aren't gonna join in attack, if I commit 6 players to close down his 6 players and leave 4 of them in a simple wall i still have the advantage, and guess what? It worked, Chelsea got rekt on Stamford bridge Some might say who destroyed whom? They had more shots on goal then you did? So lets analyze the shots Chelsea shots from inside the box: Morata: 2 of which 1 from corner Hazard: 2 from decent positions Guerriro(WBL): 1 from wide position Their CB's combined: 2 from corners, headers from 10 or so meters Arsenal shots: Lacazzete: 2 from 5 meters both goals since goal was open 1 blocked Ramsey: 1 from 5 meters again on open goal Lingard 1 missed HC Decide for yourselves which chances would you prefer for your team. Conclusion so far i'm having a blast. I'm still tempted to try and provide different role to Mezzala but i simply can't get away from the role since its superb, i initiatively wanted to go from RPM but he doesn't overlap and surges into attacking area as often as mezzala does and he would/t be able to press as high as mezzala, 2 AP's on same side isn't ideal for me so I wrote that one off, I still change a role or 2 depending on opposition, like a Chelsea game for example, or a game vs weaker sides where mine RB gets the full attention he needs with CWB(s) so he can surge forward from get go, CF to support role so that he holds on ball and comes more into midfield to link with CM's and AP leaving space for IF to exploit, it all depends on matches but most of time its jsut a simple mentality change to counter with retain possession WBIB play out of defence in matches I want to close out and simply rest mine players, most the time I have the luxury of playing lower intensity in final quarter of the game so mine players don't get taht much fatigued... Some player screens from current season: Some of you might feel mine squad could be better, i opted for Woodburn and Lingard since those 2 are perhaps the future of Wales and English football and I want to give poor guys a chance, Matic and SMS are mine fellow countryman so that's a no brainer, Alexandr Trent is world class for me personally, although I'm a gunner Bellerin is simply like a blindfolded bullet train and I wanted someone with more "mentals" and techical cappability, Monreal was too defensive thus Josh Tymon gets the chance, do I even need to explain why Elnenny, Xhaka, Aubameyang, Welbeck and Ozil got sold? either you work or you play for Man City and finish 5th, yes Aubame i'm talking to you, current squad isn't full of depth but i hope they will manage to provide wihtout too many injuries and get some additions in Winter break along the way. I'm satisfied with forward players tho I'm thinking of adding in a young prospect for Wing positions so he can replace Mkhitaryan, 30 years offensive player isn't in mine book unless he is Luca Toni at least. Cheers fellow managers and I hope you find this helpful and give me more ideas to improve mine current idea.
  10. K76 v 2.1.2 I'm sorry for late response, forgot to turn on norifications on this post, dumb me... I think I got it from FM scout page or from sortitoutsi (double check mine spelling, I always spell that site wrong) it was some time ago so I'm not quite sure which one of those 2 sites...
  11. I'm not really posting this because of results(which are great) but because you can use some new options to achieve some new styles of play which can really add stuff in game, thing is I wanted to use new roles to do old stuff in more efficient way, as for result they are outsanding even for myself, usually when I play I micromanage each game and switch mine shape and mentality accordingly to opposition and add/remove TI's for specific situations, so I can't really say this is instant match win tactic, but its something I enjoy playing I played something similar in FM 17 to mine current tactic but without Carrilero and Mezzala and IWB didn't do what I wanted him to do, which is to serve as a CM on support, I used WB(S) with IWB PI's, CM(A) instead of Mezzala and RPM(S) instead of Carillero to generate as much heat as I can on right side and then boom switch to left, good days And I agree, Mezzala is easily mine new favorite role in this years FM
  12. First and foremost we need to face the truth, it doesn't matter how much you are a gunner this isn't gonna happen any time soon, we all need to face it and let it sink in, second thing which some people will mention here is squad which I have on mine disposal. Ever since FM 08 among few of mine friends who played with me over the years I had the greatest quality in managing transfer window and pulling some good transfers in and out of mine club, I have to admit it I had some seriously good fortune on this save and I got almost perfect players for mine experiment almost from start of season 1, so let's start with what this is actually about. TL/DR first paragraph isn't related to tactical stuff Here the story starts, with new roles additions to this years FM one can make some really weird and cool combos which can make players overlap and act chaotic to untrained eye, the thorn in AI side is that some of worst opponents I came against in FM series over the years (yes Mumu and Klopp thats you 2 I'm talking about) have a preference of marking specific player with another player, so I decided to try and bypass those pesky defensive and counter attacking destroyers by creating as much chaos as one can in one single tactic. Left Side of the pitch: So lets start from left side, on left side in this tactic we have W(S) who will mainly stay wide and drag opposition FB(WB) out of his natural position and create space for midfielder to come in, in some games in which teams played flat 5 in the back I switched this role to W(A) just to get some more width and penetration down that side. All that space for whom? Mezzala will use it, from what I have seen and witnessed Mezzala is considered by most as an midfielder who will mainly rush inside the channel and wait to get picked up and try to score, I couldn't disagree more. Mezzala isn't simple B2B-IF hybrid to me, for me he looks more like a RPM-IF-hybrid, he will move into channel, he will get in goalscoring chances, but he will also play others in and act as a creative outlet, mine first impression was the same as 90% of community(the posts I've seen so far) I though finally I don't need CM(A) and I can use a fancy role instead, but to mine surprise we got something even better. Mezzala will try to get to that half space on his side and if he has the ball and tries to go there he will act as AP(A) who takes on a player and waits for them to go for him and then just puff a pass somewhere and whole defensive positioning gets shifted out, if he is already in position I saw him switching places and moving outside towards out line and swapping his place with winger which leaves defense stunned whom to follow and where, but mainly his position would be somewhere on the edge of 16m box where he can pick a pass and distribute to CF or to someone else, I can't describe how good this role is... So we have 2 offensive players on same side who are trying to make overload in that halfspace by themslves, and since winger is already wide we don't need another wide player in the mix, but we can use more numbers in middle to control the possession game and to provide back pass options, that's where IWB comes in. IWB(S) is fairly demanding role, so far I have tried him in multiple roles since I started mine experiment, if he is on IWB(D) he wil sometimes collide with HB, if he is on IWB(S) and with hold position PI he will get left out of game from time to time since he will be too far behind, I haven't even tried attack duty since I want him to act as mine recycling/trough pass machine and not as a Dani Alves "I'm gonna run for 25 meters and then hoof it to 5th row cos that babe is fine" I don't want those heroics I wanted him to take Mezzalas spot and to release him so that he can do his thing, and boy he did. I would say that IWB role might be most demanding one in terms of finding the right player, he is more like a Regista type of player then that of a wingback, he doesn't need that much crossing since if winger stays wide he won't reset to normal WB and he will act as a regista of sorts, I don't yet have a player whom I would be confident enough to use with "Dictates tempo" shout but that could change the whole concept of IWB as we see him now. So this trio of bad boys covers for each other and just by staying in their roles they create spaces which are there to be exploited and used. The right side of the pitch: In 451 I generally like to use one side to overload the play and keep possession and use the other side to "release" the players, but since we heard that the mezzala role is actually similiar to that of a AP I was tempted to change it but in the end I stood by mine favorite role on right side. On right wing we have a AP(S) he is told to sit narrower so that his position is closer to that of a AMCR then to and AMR and thats where I want him so that he can drag defenders towards him and unlock defense in best manner possible (trough ball) some times he will cross tho rarely, his main duty is to try and combine with others around him and keep the ball untill he sees the run and tries to pick his teammate. I'm confident that a player with "comes deep to get the ball" PI and high workrate/teamwork(Not you Ozil) can be played on AP(A) since he won't be selfish and he would actually go back to help his RB partner. Since AP(S) is positioned towards middle of the pitch and he cuts inside we have a whole lot of space to exploit down that flank, and no one can do it better then a 20 pace 20 accel machine, yeah thats Bellerin in his FB(A) role, now a choice of his role was decided by hard experiment, if mine striker was lets say Lewandowski, Kane, Benzema, Mandzukic(read meat grinder) type of forward I would defo pick WB(A), main difference is WB will bomb forward much more, and since mine forward is lil' Dybala I can't excpect that many crosses to connect with him, so I picked FB(A) who will time his runs and be more patient about it and still involve himself in possession game by providing that option out wide, stretching defense and making half channels for AP(S) to exploit. So once again 2 offensive roles need some cover, and what a great time to implement new Carilero "shuttler" role, this role is mine dream come trough since FM 12, so many times I had to use CM(S) and tweak it like mad, and now finally he is here, the half space cover, Carilero will cover those halfspaces left by FB and AP if there is a threat down that side after FB leaves his position, if there is no threat, he will act similiar to CM(S) and provide passes from his side of the pitch making that double layered midfield which always has options and always has numbers upfront. Striker: I've been using mine Dybala, and mine Lacazzete in season 1 as CF(A) for whole first season, then at some point after selling Lacazzete I wanted to give Dybala some more touches with the ball so I started using DLF(A) role on him, DLF(A) will start deeper and try to dribble, pass, shoot or find some space for himself, while CF(A) will do the same but he also has roam from position and he will do much more(description of the role says it all) imo for a player like Dybala with small frame good balance and agility, good passing game and good mentals DLF(A) is way to go, he will get involved in game more since he will drop deeper, he will drag defenders out of place, he will assists, he will carry on transitions and hold up ball until there is a free player on the wings, he will do it all. If I had a different type of striker, previously mentioned meat grinder types I would use them as CF(A) since they got some physical presence, they can jump for the ball, get on the end of most crosses, they can impose themselves physicaly and bring others in via flick ons etc. Even DLF(S) roaming target man PI setup sounds nice. Defence: 2 good old central backs and a Halfback, best defence one can wish for, especially with how HB acts, god I love that role, basically he will always be there and try to recycle possession for your team and he will provide a screen for CB's when in defence and close down pesky AMC's or those drop deep forwards. While HB is amazing on his own, the mechanic of "split" with him in field is even more amusing, HB will split CB's so that they will get wider then their usual position, if they are wider that means they cover a lot more of the pitch wide and they are ready to counter long ball threats, and by doing so they release our carilero of some of his defensive responsibility, and also cover IWB's slot so that he has the time to come back to his LB position in time before opositions transitions comes to him. Combined attack: So I mentioned that I liked using one side for overload and other side for exploiting, it can be done here, easily by doing 2-3 roles adjustments, but this is actually a fun setup to run with, you are actually creating overloads on both sides, each side has 3 designated players to overload it and they will more then often draw more opposing players to close them down and to try to neutralize them, and that means your other side of the pitch is free of the pressure, and in all that madness of constantly providing chaos and creating overloads left and right the spot opens in middle just where Dybala is waiting for his chance, that's the most likely outcome for me, others do score, but he is the striker, he is the main threat which often gets forgotten, simply because Mezzala and AP draw too much "AGGRO" on them just by being where they are. Your attack looks something like this: (I gave Dybala the SS role on purpose just to emphasize that he will be in that between CF and AM position while you are on attack) The HB will form back three near middle with CB's; Carilero will protect his right side(he will be a bit more to the right tbh) and IWB will fit in on left side Mezzala occupies left half channel, while AP(S) will take his right one and Winger and FB(A) provide the width and give defensive players the decision nightmare whom to follow. That is mainly how this system operates in attack. In defence they are asked to prevent short GK distributiion and to close down more, 451 isn't that much of a top heavy formation but it has a really good spread of players from their initial positions which makes it easy to close down oposition and prevent them from building play up from the back and forcing them to hoof the ball. The defensive line and offside trap are shouts which I tend to remove and change during the course of game, if a team is trying to force their way on me I will go Slightly higher D-Line and ofc Offside trap to cover that wast area behind them, if the team is a stubborn defensive side I will drop slightly deeper in an attempt to draw them out. In case I'm playing defensive maestros (MuMu), I don't know how much have you fellas analyzed the way Mumu sets his team up in FM, but the SI team did an amazing job at copying real life Mumu, he once told, years ago, that he always likes to have 4 players behind, and thats what he does, he has his LB/RB on defensive duty, you can see it if you watch the game against him, and if you have a player in AML/AMR he will provide pressure on him and make him unable to join attacks. In this case scenarion (mine favourite) I would drop deeper and go with fluid, fluid makes team more unified and thus makes it easier to defend from his wingers since they have no support and if you are fluid you will get the upper hand since he will always get doubled and disposed easily, also since you are deeper and fluid your team will be more compact but still enar their starting positions, and by doing so you will draw his DL/DR's on D duty and make some space for yourself to exploit trough good transitions. For example vs 4231's I would go for higher D-line, Offside trap and structured shape, if it is Man City quality 4231 which has good players I would drop mentality to counter. By pushing the D-line up you effectively disable the opposing AMC since he has nowhere to run to because you have a DM waiting for him, and by closing that space you make it harder for them to track you back since his winger gets either dragged out of position by tracking back your players or he gets behind and he can't be a counter threat for yourself, either way he looses, structured shape will make more spaces between your players and by doing so and with suprluss midfield numbers you will win the battle in middle since his midfield will lack support from the wingers which provides you with extra numbers. For other 451's Higher D line and fluid works for me since mine midfield is always gonna win and draw oposition, I mean, face it, I have 5 players constantly in there with occasional additions.... For stubborn oppositions which camp hard I usually go deeper and structured tho, sometimes I like to rape them with constant pressure and I go high D line and structured, depends on mine mood Most important thing for this defensive setup to bring fruition is to neutralize the "firestarter" the firestarter is the player who makes the web around your defense, in 451 DM wide that would be DM whom I neutralize and tight mark from get go, without that option of back pass opposition is on nails since each missed pass can result in a deadly turnover, in 4231 I would tight mark and hard tackle both MC's in 4231 DM Wide both of DM's in 442 both CM's, you get the picture So there it is, tactical experiment of using different roles and combinations to achieve the total confusion among the opposition A big thank you to Cleon and Rashidi and his channel BustTheNet who explain a lot of this stuff and how to use which role and what to expect from changes in in your setup.
  13. I'm aware of the insight you provided on positional switch and domination with slight tweak, I liked that topic, but idea here is to also have transitional options, and like really good options, I have players in each strata for transitional play an quick goal smashing provided it plays like I imagined...
  14. I'm aware that 442 isn't best for possession styles especially due to the fact that you lack midfield depth with only 2 players in there, but mine idea was to make passing options so that players join the middle to even that battle and to do so without loosing 442 strength which is wide play, by doing so I feel it makes a variety of options available for mine team when in possession while still providing decent cover when I'm in defense, final idea is to use STCR(DLF) to mark opposing midfielder so I can get 4411 style when I'm defending, and I don't want to use DF since his passing is really short but DLF gives greater variety to attack, that was the ideak DLF helps with def bottle necks and helps with midfield domination....
  15. Wanted a second opinion on this on, Idea is taht WP cuts inside and gets to left side to link up with WB(A), DLP(D) holds position for recycling, on right side FB(S) is told to sit narrower and cut inside, that's mine try to replicate IWB(S) movement without him having roam and more risky passes PI, BBM is told to Get further forward, idea is to use him as runner from deep, and DLF(S) is there to link up WP(S) BBM and W(A) especially for wingers sake so he isn't isolated, if it was a technical player I would've gone with F9 instead of DLF(S) but with this setup I think I have covered all terms, the width, the passing lanes, the connection between roles and overall balance, other PI's for players are for strikers to perform high block and for wingers to perform medium block duties. I'd like to hear second opinion if some areas would be overcrowded by too many players in them and if BBM can be in truth used as deep runner, thanks in advance.
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