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1 hour ago, Baptista_8 said:
Is the stat that Southgate has managed us 24 times against top 10 ranked sides, and won only four games correct?
FACT CHECK
This stat is not true. Repeat, not true. Such is my devotion to Gareth that I've found a site with all the historic FIFA rankings on it, and married this up against all our match dates.
Games against Top 10 (Top 10 at the time we played them) = 20
Wins = 5
Draws = 7
Losses = 8Losses include the dead rubber group game against Belgium and the third place playoff, also Nations League games when we were rotating players. Wins came against Switzerland (2018 friendly), Spain & Croatia (Nations League), Belgium (Nations League), Denmark (Euros). But excludes the wins against Croatia and Germany at Euro 2020 because they were just outside the top 10 at the time.
And want to talk about PROGRESS?
Up to and including WC 2018 our Top 10 success rate was:
P7, W0, D3, L4Post WC2018 it is:
P13, W5, D4, L4Same. Old. Southgate.
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I'm not sure half of it should count tbh
Should be judging him on the progress he's made and the evolution of the squad. Not sure him losing a 2016-17 friendly with inherited players like Phil Jones and Adam Lallana and Jake Livermore is the gotcha people think it is.
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Teams in the current Top 10, we are P19, W4, D6, L9. Maybe 24 comes from teams being in the top 10 at the point that we played them, but cba to work this out.
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4 hours ago, Coulthard's Jaw said:
BBC montage summed it up nicely
Great montage this. Up there with the best of them.
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2 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said:
Yeah, it wasn't the same old Southgate, I'll give you that. But still it wasn't the Southgate you needed.
But you've said this again and again and again
I'm not saying he got everything right. But you keep comparing it to 2018 where we played a completely different type of match with a completely different set of players.
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May as well post that graphic where we blame Southgate for only beating Paraguay and Trindad & Tobago and Ecuador in 2006, even though he was working for ITV at the time.
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19 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said:
all I'm trying to say is that I believe England's attacking potential is ridiculous and that you should've been playing way more progressive football against top teams ... we'll see if Southgate will grow a pair come EURO.
But we did play more progressive football
We went toe to toe with one of the best two teams in the competition. More shots, more possession, more corners, more passes. By any objective measure we were equal to them, if not better. Watch any of the highlights reels and there were more England chances than France chances. We went into that game believing we could win it instead of just hoping that we might. And for large parts we looked like we deserved to. So I'm sorry, but the "same old Southgate" stuff is just lazy.
Fact is, you'd made your mind up about Southgate before we'd kicked a ball. I mean, I'd made my mind up too. But if we'd lost 3-0 to France I would have admitted I was wrong. Whereas if we'd beaten France 3-0 you would say it was because they "bottled it", or because Mbappe had an off day, or because they had too many players out, or because we relied too much on set pieces or because Sterling got a soft penalty or something.
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7 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said:
Argentina had a ton of chances in first two knockout games, Lautaro absolutely bottled it. They created plenty.
Wait, what? We can count all Argentina's chances but we can only count England's open play goals?
Sounds fair.
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37 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said:
Portugal and England both got eliminated because of turgid coaches who were afraid to take initiative until they went a goal down
Scored a combined 24 goals, 23 of them when they weren't a goal down.
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24 minutes ago, Crispypaul said:
More Polish players than Qatari or Welsh makes no sense
Ignore me
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39 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said:
At this World Cup, not a single shootout was close except for maybe Brazil-Croatia, but Croatia had the lead since the first shot.
They were all really one-sided and none were a coin toss.
Sorry, Brazil-Croatia was “maybe close”, but Argentina-France was one-sided? Even though both penalty shootouts finished 4-2?
Glad we cleared that up.
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Just now, skybluedave said:
I think most people accept its not a lottery?
It’s not, but it’s really lazy to say Argentina have a 86% success rate and Italy have a 25% success rate, therefore Argentina must have done something right every time and Italy must be doing something wrong.
You’re comparing a handful of shootouts spread over a period of 30+ years, with different players and different managers and different amounts of preparation. Also different contexts in terms of how the preceding 120 minutes have gone.
Instead of looking by country, you might find more of a pattern if you looked at which teams had more club-level penalty takers to pick from at the time, or who had the keeper with the better penalty save ratio, or which teams went first, or which teams had the momentum because they had come from behind in normal play or something.
In the whole of WC history there have still only been about 30-35 shootouts altogether so it’s a tiny sample size to look at either way.
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30 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said:
I just never understood how can people say penalties are a lottery.
Im not saying you can’t prepare for penalties, but where Italy, England and Netherlands have got 1 win and 3 losses these are pretty small sample sizes
It’s like tossing a coin and getting three heads and one tail and going “I’ve never understood how people can say it’s got two sides”.
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21 hours ago, pearcey_90 said:
Italy X2 are the only meaningful games we have till the next Euros kicks off. Rest of the teams in the group are poor
I reckon we’ve got one free date for a friendly in October because we are in a qualifying group with eight teams instead of a qualifying group with ten teams. We’ve already put a friendly in with Scotland for our free date in September, but that still leaves one slot spare.
So quite likely we get Germany here I guess, since most other big teams will have qualifiers of their own and won’t have the date free.
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On 04/11/2022 at 16:21, Rob1981 said:
Not feeling it about Argentina. Yet another matchup against Netherlands in the QF I reckon and Netherlands to go through.
Turns out I was half right
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Oh yeah, unless he stays on until 2026 he will definitely go straight after Euro 2024 and not do those extra games. Just baffling that they offered a contract like that in the first place.
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Nah, they announced a contact through to Dec 2024 which would cover the Nations League after the Euros as well. Doesn’t make a lot of sense, if we get someone else in for 2026 qualifying then those six NL games in Sept-Nov 2024 are the only chance for a new manager to experiment a bit beforehand.
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19 minutes ago, skybluedave said:
We've missed a trick. We should have dressed up Italy at last summers Euros in a Parka coat
They should definitely put the winners in the hosts’ national dress from now on. Mbappe going up to collect the 2026 trophy in a sombrero.
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11 minutes ago, Haguey said:
First win for 56 years.
Hate to be that guy (again) but we won the fair play trophy in 1990 under Bobby Robson.
And Le Tournoi obvs.
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Jesus, this is awful. Let him have the iconic photo in his Argentina kit, not your sportwashing cloak.
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So would we have definitely beaten this France side without Southgate? I’ve lost track.
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Ronaldo would have claimed that
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FIFA investigating pitch invader who crashed Argentina's on-pitch celebrations
in 2022 World Cup Forum
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You can blame the authorities if you want, but what kind of pathetic narcissist wants to get out there in the first place.
Pinnacle of these players’ careers, idolised around the world... and you’re a CELEBRITY CHEF (
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Just leave them the **** alone