Leoben
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It is quite disheartening, though. We expect -- hope -- this years to be better than the previous years version, and then are left with the same disappointment from the past version. Yet we all buy it and persevere because its football. It would be nice if they could at least address a few problems with this years version, but I won't hold my breath. I did, for those who were inquiring of my tactics nearer the start of the post, put another together to test a few things. First I kept the same opposition as a test bed, Port Vale friendly. Second, I included "roam from position" for my advanced forward, albeit belatedly at 22.22. He did, however, score from a great cross five minutes later. It was his only goal, despite there being many instances when either winger could have simply crossed the ball to him as he was perfectly placed. I also noticed in the test game that the the 8s are more inclined to put a through ball to the wingers than they are to the 9, despite the latter being better placed. Though I did learn one thing: defensive wingers playing on the opposite foot work way better than any inverted winger/winger/inside forward out of possession. Both defensive wingers on support were when possession is lost harassing the opposition instantly along with the 8s. Pity they treat the 9 like a social leper. Note. The pass map looked a right mess, but the image after reveals more my thinking.
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19 minutes ago, dzek said:
I don't really take the attributes into account to be honest.. I mean if I have two players and one has 11 and the other has 12 or 13 in finishing for me they are equally good etc. Anyway you're not missing anything to try it with your existing players.
Anything is worth a try, but I will say, if more players than I are having similar trouble with a lone striker setup, and we each a tactically astute, there must be something wrong with the way the roles are setup in the game itself. For example, the advanced forward does not behave as said in its description, and that description hasn't changed for many iterations of FM now.
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3 minutes ago, AndrikoDS said:
I've been finding in my games that it the lone striker is very reliant on how high up the defensive line is, and how high the press is. For example, an AT on a high press tactic gets far to isolated, wondering all the way up the pitch away from the midfield, or on a mid block a DLF or F9 can sometimes be too bunched up with the team on the half way line whilst the opposition pulls all it's players back.
When the striker stops scoring or being involved, I suspect that the AI has 'adjusted' (certainly not cracked!) the tactic you are using, and it might be worth playing around with those elements at first.
I will say that roles are not working as stated "on the tin". As we all know, the AF is supposed to pin back the oppositions defensive line, and one would think that his head or foot would be the first to touch a crossed ball, yet he is often ever so slightly deeper so the ball either gets taken by the opposition GK or the opposite winger (not inverted winger) cuts in and scores. Now a goals a goal, but I think we can all accept, we all like a goal scoring no.9.
3 minutes ago, dzek said:You can use CF on support too and change your IWs to IFs on attack.
That's an idea too. The problem, however, is that I have Almiron. He's like a puppy: kick the ball forwards and he'll run after it, but he has no idea what to do with it thereafter. As such my winger have poor finishing, 11 and 13 I believe, with my no.9's having finishing of 15 and 18. I realise finishing is only a minor part of scoring goals, but I'd rather have my strikers shooting for goal than Miggy
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6 minutes ago, crusadertsar said:
Switch to 442 then? No matter which FM you can never go wrong with the good old 442
I did think about the good old 442, but as with all FM players we like to try other the strangest formation we can think of or try to emulate RL coach styles. But I may end up giving it a try.
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2 minutes ago, dzek said:
Thank you for your tactic. Before to make any major changes on your tactic use my tips above. Roam From Position or CF.
I have tried a CFa and he does get involved more than an AF, but still lacks end product. I find all the roles of striker I've tried have only a few shot whether on target or off. I will try your tip to have the player roam from position, as it seems like a good idea. The CF requires a beast of a player, but by only adding roam from position, he would require only certain attributes like off the ball and decisions and I cover those fine with my available strikers.
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58 minutes ago, CapitalismReimagined said:
I use a 4-3-3 too and my lone striker (PF) is always mentioned in this same analysis. I don't think it is because of this year's FM, instead I think it's just the nature of the tactic. Given that this person is the spearhead of your team, it is natural that this person receives the least passes.
It is frustrating when the team you choose is basically engineered to play only that formation. I can't play a 4231 as I do not have a no.10 and the club starts will very little to spend. So that leaves me to play a 433, which doesn't bother me as I like the formation -- it's tactically solid and good in defence and offence, well at least it is supposed to be.
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1 hour ago, dzek said:
It's something I've noticed in my own saves too. One AF comes too far back to get the ball and often the rest of the team doesn't play with him. Maybe with the latest update they have penalized him for scoring too many goals as a role. 😂
Other than that I would recommend trying "Roam From Position" to get him to roam more in different spots in the field or try CF with a or s duty because they already do it and seem to be more involved in the game.
Please post your tactic for better analysis.
That's exactly my point. It's not so much the fact that he's not scoring -- well he's not scoring, at least far fewer than he should be -- it's the fact that there isn't the support from other players despite there being ample support. They have plenty of opportunities to pass the ball to he AF, but chose not to and waste a shot from distance. I have presently been playing around with two tactics -- one is more conservative, with the idea of creating an asymmetric 325 in possession, and the second an overly enthusiastic tactic with the idea of creating a 235 in possession in a more symmetrical fashion. I would only use the second tactic in cases where I thought I could easily win, and the first is a WiP.
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Is there something wrong with lone strikers in this addition of football manager? I have tried various roles that might suit either of my two strikers, and each time they receive very little service with wingers and number 8's more inclined to shot for goal themselves, leaving my striker feeling like a social leper. In my latest game against Port Vale, my striker was gifted four penalties (five in total, with Schar scoring his) and missed the lot. At the final whistle, he had seven shots of which four were counted as these penalties. He had one shot from a corner set piece, with that leaving only two open play shots, neither of which were on target. There should be more than enough service for the no.9 as I'm using a similar system I used in FM22, FM21 and FM20, before that I used a different formation. I took some screenshots to add to the post with the final screenshot stating that he was isolated and the graph shows he was too deep even for an "advanced" forward.
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Okay. Well results into new season is 3 games and 3 wins, one game being against Man Utd, so I can't complain.
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Concerning: ARGUS FM 18.2.2 P102 -- I am having trouble with the poacher; the tactic is so far very solid, but this position (playing as an underdog, Newcastle), regardless of who I use, always has poor ratings. Any advice? Would changing the role to CF/S help, or some other support role to link with the central midfield?
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Okay training set up with help of comments above -- thanks to all. First friendly Newcastle United (my team) vs the under 23s, something I always do when they return from their hol's. Going with FM18.2.2 Argus 343 again with the first goal scored by my team after 16 seconds. 2-0 just past nine minutes and still very much in control. I know is only the under 23s, but I am more interested in the movement of the ball and players and so far its working well. It finish 5-1 with the conceding goal coming from a missing header. In the coming weeks I'll play through the rest of my friendlies, playing teams of equal stature.
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I was not expecting such fast replies. I have unfortunately deleted the save as frustration made me momentarily insane; howver, I was only two months into a new save, anyway. I'll give it another go with the AM this time earning his pay. When playing away, is it wise to attack, or should I change the mentality?
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I can't for the live of me get any of these tactics to work. What I am confused with (and please believe me I am not bashing your tactics, it is merely a question out of frustration) is that your tactics appear to either state they are meant for certain updates of FM18 -- 18.2.1; 18.2.2; 18.3.3 and so on, but I -- as I thought everybody was -- am running the final version, 18.3.4. Forgive my ignorance, but would a tactic meant for 18.2.2 not work with a latter update that may have changed aspects of the match engine? I have tried all your tactics, particually the fabled Argus 343 18.2.2 P102 I've read about in the comments to no effect. I have little, if no possession of the ball, one, may be two shots which are seldom on target, and end up being beaten badly by far lesser teams. I don't expect to win every game -- even with your tactics -- as that would take the fun out of the game entirely, but clearly something has gone wrong with the tactics and my game. I'm sorry to put a stain on your tactic, and as I stated I am not bashing it at all; I would just like to know what I am doing differently.
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I'm having trouble with lone strikers...
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You would think so, but I suppose after having bought the likes of Tonali and Livramento there wouldn't be much money left. You start the game as Newcastle with as little as 5 million pounds, and that won't buy you much in the transfer market these days. I like the idea of 442 out of possession and transistioning into a 325, but it's something I may try with a different team as Newcastle have only two striker and play very similarly in Wilson and Isak. I have just pulled the two wingers back into midfield, however and changed them to defensive wingers, playing on their opposite side to their favoured foot and it works very well for pressing teams. Almiron doesn't stop pressing as his work rate is set at 20.