[Assistant match advice error (Fouls)]

Hi Kyle,

I had been playing much since the new year. Waiting on Data update to start again.

[Abnormal amount of cards every other game despite not having "Get stuck in" included]

I've had 5 two footed lounges in one season with 7 to play. Not even an second booking sending offs always straight reds for crazy lunges. team is not setup to be in anyway aggressive. It ridiculous

[Tactics not saving into tactics folder]

check to see if it defaulted to OneDrive. FM23 create folders in OneDrive for me as default and had to change location

[Only allow to do 4 substitutions when should be possible to do 5 five substitutions]

2 minutes ago, JIMBOFMCD said:

Is it not the case that you can only make 5 sub within 3 stoppages of play. You can't bring on 5 on 5 different occassions. Check rules page of the competition.

[Only allow to do 4 substitutions when should be possible to do 5 five substitutions]

Is it not the case that you can only make 5 sub within 3 stoppages of play. You can't bring on 5 on 5 different occassions. Check rules page of the competition.

[Is Garnacho going to get upgraded for the full release?]

10 minutes ago, Pete Sottrel said:

thanks for your input @JIMBOFMCD.

In the development process, the closer we get to data deadlock, the less manoeuvrability there is in terms of what data we amend.  It depends on factors such as whether it is something that has brought to our attention, how important it is, whether it could have any undesired knock-on effects, and whether it can be done.  We have processed 12m data changes since the winter update.  The data is constantly changing, reflecting changes in the world of football.  In the last few weeks we cannot possibly process everything that everybody wants to be done, or is asking to be done. 

None of our decision making is based on bias towards either increasing or decreasing attribute ratings.   @NickOGS20 is on top of the research, and is always ready to talk about any aspect of the data.  The last Maguire/Sancho changes that you quote were made three weeks ago.  We had to lock the data for the Early Access Beta some time before it was released, and immediately we were already working on changes to be made for the Full Release version of FM2023 (but again, the scope for the possible amount of changes was still more limited).

I think that Nick has explained Garnacho's ratings.  I am sorry that you find that those ratings are not as up to date as you would wish them to be, but please feel free to use the editor to adjust his profile to your satisfaction.

 

Appreciate the feedback and its not a dig at Nick as its a lot of responibilty for one researcher which is why open discussion should be encouraged for users to share input. As stated downgrade of these 2 is probably warranted, Garnacho is not an issue for me as he's only broken into 1st team so it is too early to asses at this level. However there was few posts on the data issues section in regards to a case for the likes of Dalot (performance/match ratings have much better in last 6 month not only for Utd also Portugal) to warrant some changes. He has the same CA rating as FM22. Cases for Martinez in terms of his tackling ability, Jumping/heading (vs real world stats for ariel clearances), Mentals seem fine apart from determination (12 seem very low, drive and passion to the cause seem evident in the games so far to suggest its part of his personality). hopefully a few more months and it can strengthen the case for the winter update.

compairing a few CB you can from fbref.com he has attempted more tackles vs. dribble past attempts with a high success %. Take Saliba or Gomez on similar % and they have tackling of 15, Koulibaly has 17

As for heading or more so the jumping side comparing his closest Koulibaly has 16 & 15 for jumping and heading and Saliba is 16 & 16

Just some food for thought in the interest of discussion. But its only my opinion

 

Thanks guys.

 

 

 

[Is Garnacho going to get upgraded for the full release?]

1 hour ago, Nick OGS20 said:

With all due respect - you replied to my justification for not being able to upgrade Garnacho (the database being locked before he even made his first start for the club) with a comment that I found time to downgrade others, which surely you can see is spectacularly missing the point?

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make by pointing to Maguire and Sancho having attributes decreased. By all means attempt to make the case that they didn't deserve it, but they were very obvious decisions for me, and they were made mid-summer based off 1-2 season's worth of performances, not kneejerk. 

I'm not missing the point only stating observations as to why players are downgraded easier than players getting any sort of an upgrade. You can read my comment again i'm not making a case for Maguire or Sancho having a decrease, but that they have been decreased in the period since the beta release (which would have included the summer reassessment) and the full release so the downgrades appear to have only happened within the last few weeks.   

[Is Garnacho going to get upgraded for the full release?]

2 hours ago, Nick OGS20 said:

This is a pretty nonsensical statement - you are conflating changes that were made in the summer as part of the main player reassessment exercise with changes people are demanding based off events in the last couple of weeks before the release of the game.

I don't disagree that there have been a number of mitigating circumstances that have contributed towards underperformance in recent seasons but it's unrealistic to expect prolonged periods of poor performance (which is the case for the players you have mentioned) to not be reflected in ratings. I really find it pretty staggering that 'a fair few downgrades but few if any upgrades' could be considered a controversial approach after how atrocious last season was. 

I've seen Dalot mentioned a few times and on current form he'll likely merit an increase in the next update, but this idea he's suddenly a world-beater is a huge overreaction and claiming he's looked 'much better in the past year' is pure revisionism - this time last year he was getting absolutely tortured by Danjuma in one of the most excruciatingly bad full-back displays you'll ever see at the top level, and there was certainly no significant improvement over the course of the season. 

Its not nonsense when there has been changes made since beta release and full game. What was missed during summer reassessment that the last two weeks can influeance further changes? I'm not saying these player shouldn't have been only that downgrading seems easier to apply were as every excuse is used not to upgade in same window (data was locked, not enough game time to assess if warranted, only been transferred etc etc).

Who asked for Dalot to be made a world beater and by the same token how is once match used to justify that he hasn't improved, whether that be of his own volition or the new manager has actually help improve his performances this season so far (which is more than one game).

[Is Garnacho going to get upgraded for the full release?]

There was time to downgrade a fair few of them before lock. Maguire, Sancho to name a few but few if any upgrades. Dalot who has actually looked much better in past year has CA remain as 139 the same as FM22 but somehow has PA cut from 162 to 158. Same with De Gea CA cut from 150 to 145. Rashford From 159 to 151. Garnacho has done little at senior level so not even counting him in discussion. It's a full on cull across the board. There was a quote earlier for justification for not updating that form is temporary and class is permanent. This works both ways. But seems much easier to downgrade than reward form or return to form. The team was in a bad place last season with temporary manager and team suffered. New manager has seen a return to form for a lot of them, if not exceeding how they performed last season even if only 3rd of the way through.

 

[Lisandro Martinez ManUnited should have higher stats]

This is mentioned over and over in these cases and no confirmation yet if any change being made before database cut off. Stats are a joke he also has the same pace as Maguire who has the turning speed of a cruise liner.

[4231 gap between defence and midfield]

Having the same issue that assistant keeps repeating this advice even though defence is playing a high line and is pushing high up to midfielders.

[Unable to criticise training performance]

ok that would explain it, only pre season of the first season (3/4 weeks). Not noticed that before or look to speak to underperforming players so early on.

[English Premier Division Data discussion]

On 24/10/2022 at 05:35, byang08 said:

I don't like to complain about attributes and I know it's still early in the season but Lisandro Martinez should not have lower PA than Maguire. At the very least, Martinez's bravery, anticipation, and agility deserve an upgrade.

Same ^^^ I hope this isn't his stats for full game some are ridiculous Tackling 13, Determination 12, Pace 12 (the same as Maguire ). Position and Anticipation should be slightly increase (good intercetion stats) and there doesn't look to be much growth in PA which mean he's prity much topped out with these current stats.