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  1. That's a brilliant response and I thank you. Crusaderstar is one of my go to reads on tactical systems and now that you mention it it seems so obvious to me and so silly I didn't think of it at the time. My brain sometimes goes from A to B via the scenic rather than the more obvious route, but that is exactly how I will tackle this in future.
  2. So I am taking another stab at finishing this and I am using it in two separate saves with Real Zaragoza and Bordeaux, both with updated transfers etc . One of the reasons I hadn't posted the tactic was because: 1. This was meant to be a journey to the completed tactic, so it was not the finished article and I was about to come on to the issues I was having in attack, one of which I mentioned earlier and how I resolved those issues. 2. It hadn't been tested thoroughly enough to make a judgement call that says this is good enough to go a whole season. 3. My aim was to try to get people to start looking at their own issues in their tactics the way I do now. I have been and still am on that side of sitting through replays and completely missing obvious things, I am not going to lie I was very lazy with FM. I'd put a tactic in pretend I was analyzing it then rip it up and start again when it all went to ****. I was often furious at Cleon for being able to see what I couldn't see, for me there was certainly an element of missing things but it was mostly sheer laziness, I wanted Cleon to spoon feed everything to me rather than make the effort myself. One day it literally just clicked in to place, I honestly went from being an idiot to being far more proficient at tactical setups and analysis and I would say it started by watching every goal scored and conceded at the point of turnover. Not just where the ball is but the macro picture, where every player is and where I want them to be. You know why the fullback wont put that cross in to the box and he stops and waits, because I don't have enough attackers in the box and only one that is there has 3 defenders on him, so now I know I need to change things to get more players in there. I am not as blinkered anymore so when we concede a goal I don't just look at the defenders and goalkeeper, I am looking at why we turned the ball over then I make a note and if it's a recurring problem then I make changes. In this tactic if my forwards aimlessly dribbles and turns the ball over in the center of the park it's most like a goal against me it's that risky, but I am willing to give players the rope to hang themselves(or not) before I make a change. In my last game what pissed me off about Clemente my CB wasn't that the goal we conceded which went through him it was because he made a vertical pass right to the opposition players who countered quickly and scored. So at that point it's a deep dive in to Clemente's attributes and passing history. Well his passing, vision, technique, composure and decisions are all good, that's not enough, now I want to see the stats. Well the stats say he has a 96% pass rate and he doesn't try those long raking balls often and most of the time when he does they work so it's an anomaly and not a trend. If it was a trend I would change it. I see a lot of people on here focus way too much on what happened with the actual ball carrier rather than what was happening around the ball carrier that forced him in to that situation. I also see a lot of people focus on their struggles to break down down deep stubborn defensive teams and then they wait till the 70th minute before changing anything and then when they do, it's to make wholesale changes, seemingly just for the sake of it. For me I start every game on comprehensive highlights and within 15 minutes I can divide the game in to three categories 1: We are definitely scoring here and would be unlucky not to. 2: We are looking good but I need to keep it on comprehensive for now. 3: This isn't happening today, the team are sloppy all over, they look disjointed and the other team are easily corralling them when we are in attack. At this point I might wait another 15 mins to see if we improve but if not I will make changes to improve things. There was one other key element to how I changed things myself on FM, I am a stock trader by profession and one of my key rules is to "tune the noise out" I have 4 or 5 sources (some of whom were my mentors) and that is all the information I need. I don't listen to CNBC or randoms on twitter and I most definitely don't read up on stuff on any position I have open, it just makes me second guess myself and micromanage everything to death. Well for people who struggle on Football manager it's exactly the same, find4 or 5 people you can bounce ideas off of or learn from and tune the rest out, it will be better for your enjoyment and understanding of the game if you tune out the majority of YouTube and social media people. There are some great people on here and some great pinned content on here but at the end of the day you have to put the effort in or you may as well just plug and play and use exploit tactics. I want to finish this lengthy post by saying this was not meant to be an ego boost "look at me" thread. If I wanted to earn cheap likes I would post my go to tactic which is as close to plug and play as you can get on FM21, this was me stepping out of my comfort zone with a tactic that is anything close to plug and play and requires a certain type of footballer to carry out and wasn't the finished article. I am sorry if it came off that way and take on board that is what some people took from it and that's my fault. I will be updating a bit and showing the tactic soon as I have it pretty much where I want it.
  3. Great starting point here if you haven't read this. https://totalfootballanalysis.com/competitions/ligue-1/jorge-sampaoli-at-marseille-2020-21-tactical-analysis-tactics
  4. Marseille and Sampaoli, would love to help with this and will have a read up on what he is doing right now.
  5. Not so much huge additions but certainly pressing stats and at the moment i really cant put much weight in to ccc's and XG because there are some glaring holes in these which I would like to be cleared up.
  6. Great thread and I love the data analysis both the Mattys bring to their threads, my one big hope is that the data analysis takes a big step up in FM 22 with a lot more data points.
  7. Btw I forgot to mention that I didn't take him just because he was Zaragoza born but because he ticks a lot of boxes. He has some defficiencies in his teamwork and anticipation but they are fine for the second division for now and he has room and time to iron those issues out. The only other minor issue I have is that he is the first line of counter pressing and I would like his aggression to be a good 3 points higher but everything else ticks a lot of boxes and he will be a great La Liga player in future and as a False 9 being naturally two footed is huge.
  8. I have edited my heat of the moment post.........this forum can be an incredibly toxic place and when someone opens with "no ofense" and then proceeds to be incredibly rude to not one but two seperate complete strangers that's not conducive to people wanting to engage or actually present any form of discussion on here. Posting the stats which were literally not even close to half a seasons worth weren't meant to be me patting myself on the back it's meant to be a this is where we are now but that could entirely change during the remainder of the season. People can be critical of other peoples motives or methodology without being insulting, especially to Cleon of all people who has helped so many people on here.The big issue with a lot of people who read Cleons stuff is they want to be spoon fed everything rather than use the methodology he espouses and learn for themselves. Which is why I was doing this in parts because it's in no way the complete article and receiving constructive criticsim along the way is exactly the sort of discussion I wanted to have.
  9. I have noticed how you have made the connection Jean and you are right there are similarities there but with some changes. How I got Azpilicueta working in that thread and reading up on Vojvoda and how he utilises the position was exactly my starting point for this. So there is a double kicker in that my Zaragoza save is set up with rules exactly like how Athletic have it today. Aragon is a vast autonomous region in Spain where Aragonese is a dying language and in that vast region there are precisely two clubs. Huesca and Zaragoza and thanks to mismanagement Zaragoza are 50 mil in debt and underperforming. This is where Lopez comes in because although he has that Basque football upbringing he was born and raised in Zaragoza so the hope is that although he is only on loan at the club that we can somehow make it permanent in future. Of course the better he does the harder or more expensive that becomes. So far:
  10. 1.This is a tactical discussion forum not the tactics download forum where I say trust me this works here are my results off you go. If people ask me questions I will answer them, I have already answered a question and said that the Hybrid is a IWB on defend with no PIs. Sure I could have released the whole thing in a months time but my wife, kids and I have all had Covid and so through sheer boredom and through a complete lack of any fresh tactcial plans etc decided to start this now and work through each phase. Perhaps I will leave it then till I am able to post the whle thing. 2. The tactic is still a work in progress but I wanted to show people exactly why tactics don't need to be ripped up and started again, but through peoples own eyeball analysis and freeze framing and slowly rewinding and fast forwarding transitions(something I learnt from Cleon) they can spot issues with their tactics and change roles or instructions to improve their own tactics. Also I wanted people to realise that tacttical issues aren't aways tactical but can very much be personnel related and although that might seem obvious to some it isn't obvious to others. You're out of order with regards to Cleon and responses like yours are the reason why we lose so many brilliant people on this forum and it's turned in to a ghost town version of a subforum. I will however take on board that perhaps it's best left till I have the tactic 100% where I want it and then release all the info I have then.
  11. Thanks so much for all the very positive comments and upvotes. My wife is dealing with some serious effects of Long Covid so I will be updating this at some point soon when she starts to recover. Cheers!!!
  12. That means a lot, for a long time I was in the wilderness with the tactical side of FM and it was you and your incredible amount of work that literally made it all clicked in to place one day, so all that effort you put in helped hundreds of us.
  13. Tempo Changes As laid in my OP Fortaleza are happy to build up patiently and in an instant take it up a few gears with slick intricate one touch play and fluid movement. I don't think any clip better represents that than in our match from Castellon. From tackling their player and passing the ball back to our GK to shot on goal is a 20 pass sequence that starts incredibly patiently with a 17 pass sequence and in an instant switches to a 3 one touch passing sequence that fully deserved a goal. Unfortunately I am stuck with players like Gamez that has an 8 for finishing and with a bit more pace and some better finishing would see this ending in a goal. The one other point to make here is you will see in a lot of clips I post that James or or players in that position will use that one touch pass a lot. They are literally always moving looking for space and just connecting players keeping the ball moving. Here is a still of what I am looking at just before the three pass sequence begins. That tight triangle on our right sided overload is crucial to this but I also am concerned and think part of our forward problems are my fault. If you look at our number 14 he is way too deep for my liking here, he needs to be far higher up and occupying that huge space. There is an argument to be made that if you create a right sided overload one of your best finishing forwards needs to be occupying the space that it creates for you, if our number 17 is in that space we might not even get that sequence because James has another one touch passing option in to that space for our forward to run on to so I will be addressing that right away. BTW I have absolutely zero idea how fans land up seated in the middle of the pitch in these highlights. Maybe it's like some Spanish 2nd Division version of a chefs table in restaurants. In our last game which was against Almeria you can see again how slickly we pass through the lines this time scoring the goal. In the very same game the Hybrid gets the header from their kickoff and from here we counter at pace with five men attacking against their five defenders and our winger with the angled through ball. In this clip we have an example of our keeper deciding he has spotted an opportunity and although the keepers mostly play out short from the box they will(much like Vojvoda likes his GKs to play) take the long kick if there is a chance. So this is a situation where the team eschews that slow patient build out play from the back and rapidly attacks, this is literally goalie to winger to false9 with another shanked shot from another unsuited player I inherited. My final clip(I could be here all day to be honest) is some delightful play with movement that opens space and then taking advantage of the space and just a delightful one touch pass to make sure the defenders can't rectify their error. The Hybrid is in possession of the ball out of shot , our three attackers on the rights are relatively well picked up. Cucho drops deeper taking their number 12 with him, Gamez already starts to shuffle wider here to make some space but when he receives the pass he moves even wider, taking his marker with. Now number 12 decides he needs to close the ball carrier down , so the players have removed two of the defenders from the equation. Gamez now one touch passes it to Cucho and straight away loops around in to that channel that has been created. Cucho passes it to James who now spots the opportunity and before the defenders can get back on to Gamez one touch passes it through for the goal.
  14. I wanted to highlight a couple of passages of play from my latest match to show how we overwhelm the opposition in both the offensive and defensive phase and the dynamism between the players in their thinking and positioning. Straight from the kick off we have our first chance. After a bit of a slower more patient build up the ball makes it to Lopez. Lopez then switches the ball wide to our "forgotten man" lWB role as I like to call it and will cover later in a bit more depth. He's certainly not forgotten by our team but you will see that the opposition frequently forget he is there. Chavarria wasn't the starter at the beggining of the season but I found Nieto's decision making in the attacking phase to be so poor that I gave Chavarria the start and he has made it his own. Now Chavarria is in acres of space and their number 17 didn't track his run at all. Chavarria's decision making here is again excellent, the opposition number two has to close him down and Chavarria let's him do that to a point. As soon as the oppsition number 2 is out of the box and stuck in no mans land Chavarria crosses and there is a 4 vs 4 in the box with Cucho somewhat open. The ball makes it to Cucho but unfortunately he is 5ft9 with very average jumping and heading ability which is again an area I want to improve in. I always like to analyse both sides in any phase and this is what I am looking at in the big picture from Cuchos narrowly missed header. A massive space completely unoccupied by the opposition, five of their players around their box in no mans land offering nothing in either defence or attack and Vigaray is in a midfield position where he can either attack the flank or move back in to the defnsive line. If they had cleared the ball from there the odds are we win the ball back staright away. The only area that I can see that would be an issue is the area I marked with the eliptical shape below. If the ball makes its way in there then their number 17 has space to work in. But having watched a lot of minutes in testing and in this save I know two scenarios are most likely if that were to happen. Clemente closes him down, Vigaray moves back in to the defensive line Frances shifts to the left and Ros moves back to form a back three.(I'll show you later how often Ros does that.) Ros closes him down and Vigaray simply moves back in to the defensive line. So in this opening attack we are not only dominating the attacking narrative we are also dominating the defenisve one too, we are essentially strangling them and denying them a chance to break away and score a cheap goal. Our defence already starts during our attacking phase whilst still overloading the oppositions back line. The next sequence we see Clemente the CB recieves the ball and decides to actually attack with it, something I have seen the CB does this on more than one occasion and will cover later. Chavarria the LWB moves narrow now forming a back two. Ros the deepest midfielder hass moved left to provide a passing outlet for Clemente and Vigaray has moved forward and narrower taking up a DM spot. Clemente loses the ball but James and Azon are instantly counter pressing. Vilaba passes to Babin but in a flash James is on to him and rather than risk turning it over on the edge of his box he clears it. The ball lands at Chavarrias feet and again we start attacking them. The relentless pressing, overloading(in the defensive phase too which I will show later) and pace of the attacks overwhelms the opposition team who rarely have a chance to reset defensively. In this segment we have a defensive situation which I see often and is part of the brilliant dynamic teamwork I wanted. The Hybrid has obviously stepped out the defensive line, this was initially to press one of their attackers which is why the ball made it backwards. Cucho is pressing the ball carrier. Chavarria has moved narrow and has now formed a back three with the two CB's Note that both their fullbacks are being marked Their player who is being pressed decides to try and chip it over the top which lands to an off-sides Campuzano. Now the whistle hasn't blown yet so Frances still presses Campuzano wide but he's leaving a gap which Vigary the hybrid recognises and he has pace which he utilises and in an instant when Campuzano turns to look for options Vigary is back in the space vacated by Frances and Chavarria mainting that back three all the way through the phase. It's elemnts like this that make me very happy, we essentially have five players that will regularly interchange to keep our three at the back in defensive phases. Half time!! Here's why I don't put much stock in XG, it would be wrong to say we had many good chances because in reality we had one. But the goal we scored for me was that one great chance and yet the chance wasn't listed as a CCC, wasnt listed as a half chance and had an XG of 0.13. We got one good chance and we took it, now the opposition are going to have to come out to play a bit more and open themselves up a bit so I am not changing anything. The second half Sporting did come out to play, they switched from a 4-4-1-1 to a regular 4-4-2 and they started pressing our players a lot more. This however resulted in a few good chances for us including one that was easier to score than miss but miss we did. There are certainly some issues in attack as I highlighted earlier. The decsion making isn't always the best, we don't have height and we could do with some better more lethal finishers. More later on!!!!
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