[Tactical Challenges #1: The Poacher]

Funny enough I've been using a poacher upfront in my save, I'll write my analysis some point later today.

 

Great read as always @herne79, and this will definitely keep me motivated as I run away with Ligue2 

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I've always gone with the assumption they were for some reason, I think I'll look into detail how major/minor the differences actually are when I have the time.

Thanks Herne

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On ‎8‎/‎24‎/‎2016 at 14:42, liam9sufc said:

Besides the playmaker/target man box being ticked, is the difference between roles purely based on their PI's?

 

For example, the box to box midfielder(s) role has only one hard coded PI - roam from position, CM(s) has no hard coded PI's. So theoretically should a B2B(s) play exactly the same as a CM(s) with roam from position PI added? Is it right to rule out FMs description of the roles and the fact they are positioned differently on the TC screen in these cases?

 

In case it was missed being the last post on the last page

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Besides the playmaker/target man box being ticked, is the difference between roles purely based on their PI's?

 

For example, the box to box midfielder(s) role has only one hard coded PI - roam from position, CM(s) has no hard coded PI's. So theoretically should a B2B(s) play exactly the same as a CM(s) with roam from position PI added? Is it right to rule out FMs description of the roles and the fact they are positioned differently on the TC screen in these cases?

[The Art of Possession Football]

How does the HB look when you're playing 3 CBs ?

If there are 2 the he'd slot in between them both when possession is lost so I'm unclear how this would look in-game.

The two outer CBs push out wide, which when I have defenders like Boateng Alaba and Can is exactly what I hoped it would do.

In this screenshot I was playing with the 3142 formation. As you can see the #21 (Lahm) drops in whilst #15 (Alaba) and #17 (Boateng) drift out to almost create a back 4 in the early stages of possession. As play progresses Lahm tends to join the midfield up again and provide an option to recycle possession, as you can see below which is the same move as the above screenshot but about 10 seconds later.

Here's another example from the same game

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So after winning the State Championships in my Fluminense save, Pep got sacked as Bayern manager after finishing 3rd and so I thought why not? After reading this thread it gave me a completely different outlook on how to go about keeping possession, and more importantly, converting possession into goals! I can't thank you enough for this brilliant thread Cleon, I would have never even thought about not using a single attack duty in a tactic but it works so perfectly and some of the football I;m seeing is a joy to watch.

Here are my 3 tactics, I tend to use the 2 striker formations at Home and the lone striker one Away. I used the foundations of this thread and implemented it with my own style. They are far from fluid in the tactic familiarity as we're only 7 league games in and I'm still always constantly tweaking it where I see fit, so possession numbers have slightly varied from incredibly high to just high in games.

Some stats and notable matches:

Now compare that to how Bayern are doing irl after 16 games...

Not doing too bad

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Pretty vague question here, but generally what is the more adventurous and/or aggressive: A CWB/WB(a) in the wing back slot. Or a defensive winger in the midfield slot?

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ahh thats a shame, will do it on a rotational basis then. never used the notes strangely enough, at least it will mean I'm regularly tracking my players stats

thanks for the reply, appreciate the help!

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Hey guys, I was wondering something that I have always questioned for years but never seeked an answer to regarding individual training....

Lets take Kelechi for example, who is currently working on his composure.

Now I know if I wanted to train him in multiple areas, I can chose a role for him to focus on like poacher which will make him focus on Finishing, First Touch, Composure etc... But is it possible to select which attributes I want myself? Let me use this gif to explain further

If i do the above (select multiple attributes and click off the screen), will that actually train the attributes I selected? or is the selection purely for progress tracking purposes? If it doesn't do the former, is it possible to do what I was attempting?

Thanks in advance

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I have a feeling my question is going to be answered with "try it out and see". But I wanted to get a few opinions before I do:)

my question is, is the False 9 Role in game actually the best interpretation of a real life false 9?

I ask this because I often see complaints about problems with the false 9, and how they drop too deep/don't score many/take a huge amount of longshots. Then it got me thinking, is False 9 the best role for a False 9? looking at players like Gotze, Totti and Messi who all play or have played false 9 in real life. They seem to play more like what a Treq plays on FM, with the Treq seemingly having much more of an eye for goal than the F9 role.

I know its a pretty vague question, but, if you were to rank the roles that best replicate a false 9 like the players above, where would false 9 rank? i'd consider a Treq, CF, DLF and maybe even a defensive forward? before a false 9 personally

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The Treq will still track people and defend. I use one and he will often be on the edge of my own area when when defending. Ignore what the description says on FM, he does defend

Good to hear!

thank you and RT for the advice:)

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I initially thought Treq would be the perfect role, however the contribution defensively would be missing

will see which works best out of the Treq and AM(s), giving the Treq man marking instructions would hopefully help his defensive contribution without compromising his offensive freedom

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With the ME as it is now, it absolutely HAS to be a Support Duty. That player will drop when you are out of possession, but no Role / Duty will drop deep when you are in possession, as gaining possession is effectively a trigger to advance up field.

Tinker with all Support Duty AMC Roles to see what best fits the vision. It sounds like you are looking for a very mobile player, so make sure he has the appropriate attributes (stamina, work rate etc.)

thanks for the fast response:)

will try all of them out and see, so far AM(s) has done almost everything I want him to do except arrive into the box, maybe it could just be a case of PPMs, I don't think any of the AMC's I use have either "arrives late into box" or "gets into opposition area"

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What Role/Duty would best emulate an AMC who is willing to help out defensively, drops deep to collect the ball when the team is in possession, but also attack the box and get on the end of crosses/flick ons

The attacking midfielder on support seemed perfect, but in the description it says the support duty "tends to sit in the hole rather than get into the box". Would a support duty with "get further forward" encourage late surges into the box?

Or would it be better to try and use PPMs as a way of creating this type of role?

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Lateral movement is a bit lacking in FM. Your suggestion is probably as good as you'll get, but I'm not convinced that you'd get noticeably different lateral movement based on Fluidity. If it isn't in the game, it's not there no matter how many combinations you try.

Thats a shame, kind of similar to FIFA in a way that a lot of the off the ball movement is more vertical than lateral. Although I did see glimpses of the kind of vertical movement I mentioned above that I was looking for when I changed my Attacking midfielder to an APs in my normal tactic. Hopefully when I create a new tactic based solely around the role I'll be able to get more out of it

Thanks for the response

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i asked a similar question that wasnt answered some days ago but i thought i'd ask again in case it was not seen (apologies if it seems like im spamming the thread)

its a two part question

1. What role/duty in theory would best emulate lateral movement across the attacking midfield line? the kind of lateral movement that David Silva makes. Would it be an APa with "Roam from position" or a Trequartista? Also would my mentality/fluidity setting have an affect on how obliged my player is to drop deep/wander and deviate from his designated position?

2. I want the player in the aforementioned role to drop deep into the midfield during build up play, at times being as deep as the halfway line, whilst still picking up the ball in between the oppositions defence and midfield lines and making defence splitting passes and still being a goalscoring threat arriving late in the box. I assume this kind of rules out the Treq role? Would this be achieved by maybe an APs with the "get further forward" PI? as from past experience i find that AP on attack often sit on top of the opposition defence watching the game pass them by

would love to know you guys opinions on this, maybe i am overthinking a bit too much haha

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If I put a player in the left central attacking midfield slot (4141 formation basically with the LM moved to LCAM). Which role would best replicate lateral movement? I'm trying to recreate David silvas role in the sense that he starts out wide left but is given license to drift across either side of the pitch in the attacking third. I want my player to be able to just float around the last third looking for pockets of space on the left right and centre of the field. Will Trequatista offer this kind of behaviour better than an APs/a? Would obviously give the player I'm using for this idea (Coutinho) the PI roam from position

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I've noticed a growing trend in my tactic (possession oriented with a lot of short passing and probing). My most advanced midfielder seems to do exactly what I want, only problem is he doesn't attempt many passes behind the opposition defence. On the analysis tab he makes a lot of sideways/short forward passes.

How would I go about making him play passes in behind? Would it be to tell him to play more direct passes? As He only plays passes in behind when its a short intricate pass as oppose to a 10+ yard defence splitting pass

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ahh I see, thanks for clearing that up RT

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I've got a question on player familiarity when it comes to his "role"

What I mean is that, does changing a players role constantly affect his performance? Does he need time to adapt to the role?

Eg. Say I have a striker and I play him poacher for 3 games, figure he isn't playing well and so switch him to advance forward for a couple games. He's still misfiring so I change him to deep lying forward for a bit. Would all the role changes have any affect on his game? Would he need a few games to get used to the role I'm asking him to fulfil before he can be fairly assessed?

Sorry if I didn't explain it well its late and I'm tired lol