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4 hours ago, johnwalker said:
I asked for some advice a couple of pages back and @Gangor advised me that the new Ryzen 4600u could potentially be in my price range so I've been doing some research around the new Ryzen processors.
My question is what's more important for FM; the base clock frequency or the number of cores? Secondly, but linked, does hyperthreading make a difference for FM?
For example I see the 4600u has 6 cores (12 logical) clocked at 2.1ghz, whereas the 4500u has 6 cores, clocked at 2.3ghz. Could that potentially be better for FM or am I missing the point?
Although I try and educate myself when making a big purchase I apologise if this is a dumb question. I've been asking my brother who's a software engineer and understands these things better than me, but he doesn't play FM
Your help is very much appreciated.
Well the 4600U is going to be better at running a lot of leagues as those threads let it do many calculations at once, but overall I expect it won't be massively worse. You'll be able to find a 4500U much more cheaply I'd expect, so likely that will be a good choice. If the price was the same though I'd go for more threads every time.
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2 hours ago, Brother Ben said:
The second one. It's better everywhere
Except I suspect for battery life. Maybe not relevant but worth bearing in mind.
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14 minutes ago, XaW said:
I think you can, but I can't remember for sure. I don't quite remember when they changed it to Steam verification, but I think you can add the product code in Steam and download it from there. It's worth a try, at least?
I think it was FM12.
My suggestion would be to invest in an external DVD drive. They're not terribly expensive and might be useful on occasion.
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40 minutes ago, DS1874 said:
I wish I could but it's pushing it i'm afraid.
Curry's are offering the 17" version for £599. Their website seems a bit broken at the moment though...
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51 minutes ago, johnwalker said:
Hi all,
I have read this thread over the last week or two as the chassis on my laptop is breaking near the charging port which is making charging it an ever increasingly difficult task.
I'm on the lookout for a new laptop and I would really appreciate some advice on what would best suit my play style in my budget range.
A new laptop would almost exclusively be used for football manager, I don't play other games, and I still use the 2d engine. I watch goals in 3d and that's it, having a laptop that's better suited to running 3d won't make me any more likely to use it... I'm old skool like that!
I think based on the above would mean I'm almost exclusively looking to be able to process the game as fast as possible.
My budget is around the £550 mark, but could probably stretch an extra £50.
Thanks in advance.
The soon to be released Ryzen 5 4600u is looking excellent and laptops containing it should be in this price range. More immediately @Smurf's suggestion looks very good spec-wise.
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4 hours ago, RMace1986 said:
Any opinions guys? Appreciate this has dropped onto a previous page so might have been missed.
Seems fine. The 2600 is a generation behind, but it's still very good value. The only possible critique is that the motherboard is one of the highest rated, but also most expensive, of the B450s. Unless you are planning to overclock or to upgrade in the future to a higher tier CPU I'd suggest looking at something less expensive. It's a bit out of kilter with the idea of getting a last gen processor to save a few pennies.
Something that's been left out is the power supply. Make sure you go for something 80 Plus rated, preferably bronze or better, I'd suggest around 450-550w.
Edit, oh also the brand of the memory doesn't matter. That's a decent speed to go for but choose the specific product based on price and/or looks of the heat spreader/RGB features. The memory itself is basically a commodity.
Edit2: Argh, almost forgot. Get a SSD, preferably NVMe, for your boot drive. Unless you plan to save a lot of media on your computer it's probably not necessary to also have a hard drive to start off with.
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26 minutes ago, Brother Ben said:
Either mine or Smurfs would be great for your use case as the processor and motherboard combo is SO much cheaper, I will have a look into intel as it does perform slightly better in FM due to it's raw GHz and single core performance.
This is the Intel build here, as I said it will perform better for FM however there will be compromise on the graphics card. Personally this is what I would buy
Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™ i7 Eight Core Processor i7-9700K (3.6GHz) 12MB Cache
Motherboard - ASUS® PRIME Z390-P: ATX, LGA1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs
Memory (RAM) - 16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2666MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card - 8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2060 SUPER - HDMI, DP - VR Ready!
Storage Drive - 256GB PCS 2.5" SSD, SATA 6 Gb (500MB/R, 400MB/W)
Power Supply - CORSAIR 650W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Processor Cooling - CoolerMaster Hyper 212X (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler Black Edition
£1,326.00 - inc VAT and Delivery
Edit - Actually didn't have to compromise at all surprisingly. Even threw in a much better motherboard. I would definitely recommend the Intel above the AMD. Again you may have to add a few quid to get the case you prefer.
Any questions about my choices let me know
Found how to link to the configuration here you go
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/intel-z370-pc/Xq6ewZjRwt/
Here is the Performance benchmarking thread that shows intels continuing superiority for FM
This is a decent point - Though current Intel CPUs have their limitations, they are faster in some games such as FM. In that case it might be worth waiting for the 10-series (ie the 10700k or 10600k) since they are giving higher thread counts and/or hyperthreading for basically the same (recommended) price. They are already on Amazon so shouldn't be too long until system integrators pick them up. Bear in mind they are going to use a great deal more power to get the same performance - it might be worth investing in more expensive cooling if you go down the Intel route.
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Personally I don't buy into the concept of buying what is currently a totally overkill CPU to "future proof". Let me give a couple of reasons.
1) You could save the money to upgrade your CPU to something even better in a few years time. A R5 3600 is likely going to be perfectly fine for the next 3-4 years and at that point there will be new technologies (actually functional real time ray tracing anyone?) that will make upgrading again worthwhile.
2) Games aren't likely to need more than 8 cores/16 threads for the next 7 years or so. The reason? Both the new X-Box and Playstation have this configuration.
3) The motherboard selected is likely to struggle with the Ryzen 9 if you ever get it under full load, so to make the most of it you'd need to spend even more on a better one.
I would suggest choosing your build with the following guidelines -
Ryzen 5 3600, Ryzen 7 3700X or at most the Ryzen 7 3800X as your processor. The last two are basically the same but the 3800X is running at a higher speed out of the box. Personally with your budget I'd go with the 3700X.
Choose a motherboard that has four dimm slots for RAM and populate only two of them with 8GB 3600MHz sticks. The Ryzen microarchetecture benefits greatly from faster memory, it's designed to handle up to 3600MHz and that's about as high as you can get from mainstream suppliers. This configuration will allow you to upgrade in a couple of years if necessary.
Get an appropriate graphics card for the resolution you want to play at.
1080p - 1660 super/ti or 2060/2060 Super if you want real time ray tracing.
1440p - 5700xt or 2070/2070 Super for RTRT
4k - 2080 or maybe 2080 Super? (this will blow your budget though)
Here's what I'd go with: https://www.pcspecialist.ie/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/9MR5PdEqpQ/
Note I removed a couple of add ons which don't add a huge amount of value (custom cooler - the included one is fine unless you overclock) wifi card and spent a bit more on the power supply. If you might be tempted to upgrade in the next 3 years or so I'd go down to the R5. It's really a decent saving and performance in current games is basically the same, especially with this GPU.
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1 minute ago, Brother Ben said:
I wouldn't bother with 3600, what you gain in MHz you lose in latency. You're quite correct about the graphics though
Performance testing shows increased performance as you increase RAM speed. There are diminishing returns though and 3600 is often at a premium, which is why I suggested 3200. If the cost isn't too much different though there is a benefit to be had from 3600MHz RAM
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3 hours ago, Smurf said:
Ambitious and unrealisitc.
Most computers can run all leauges - just depends on whether you're happy with the speed.
Latest games this year will be old games next year, and the latest games in 4 or 5 years might be a lot more demanding.
To get near your budget to what you're asking for
Chassis & Display
Nova Series: 15.6" Matte Full HD 144Hz 72% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X Eight Core CPU (3.6GHz-4.4GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair 2400MHz SODIMM DDR4 (1 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 2060 - 6.0GB GDDR6 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB Intel® H10 NVMe SSD + 32GB Intel® Optane™ (up to 2300MB/sR | 1300MB/sW)Price: £1,444.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.ie/saved-configurations/nova-15/Er4qQKUkzB/
@TF that's fair, though you could skimp a bit more on the graphics card if you don't need ultra graphics settings on everything. I'm playing Red Dead Redemption 2 on a 1650 Super and it looks fine. Maybe a 1660 Super or Ti would be a better option? Also faster RAM is recommended for Ryzen - 3600MHz ideally though 3200 would be ok.
Edit, aha! I didn't realise @Smurf had quoted a laptop! The specs he's suggested are reasonable though - that's a desktop class processor.
Edit2: You don't need optane unless you have a hard drive rather than an SSD. Don't do that.
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6 hours ago, TF said:
So looking to build a new PC using PC Specialist or a similar site. Is there anyone that come up with a build for me, that would be capable of running most or all leagues at a nice speed, but is also capable of running the latest games.
My budget is anything up to £1300.
Thanks.
What resolution will you be playing graphically intensive games in?
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10 hours ago, daveyg33 said:
Number 5 is similar and I know I can turn off Windows S, but I might also be able to get it for £460ish which seems like a good deal to me - am I being too risk-averse and should just buy it straight away?!
If you can get it for £460 that would be great value. Even at £550 it's pretty good. In any case I'd definitely recommend an AMD 3000 series processor in that price range as they tend to have much better integrated graphics than Intel counterparts so you may be able to play the 3D match engine on lower quality settings.
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5 minutes ago, zakbrown96 said:
only really play Football manager in all honesty
This would seem to be a decent baseline. Something to be aware of is that at this pricepoint you're generally looking at only 8GB of RAM. This particular model is apparently difficult to service too, so you might be stuck with that amount. Having said that, it might be a compromise worth making given 16GB versions tend to cost significantly more.
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31 minutes ago, zakbrown96 said:
HI can someone please recommend me a I7 2019 H processor laptop with budget £850 to £900, as don't understand specs what so ever kind regards
Are there any other features that you need? Do you want to store a lot of media? Plug in an SD card? Use a webcam? Play some more demanding games? Or is FM the only consideration? Gaming laptops (especially the cheaper ones) often compromise in some or all of these areas.
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1 hour ago, craigm8 said:
Hi,
Thanks for your reply.
Looking for something which has a fast processor and fairly future proof regarding ram and hard drive. Any recommendations of where to look or laptops within that price range?
CPU comparison: https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_9_4900hs-1285-vs-intel_core_i9_9980hk-957
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Sorry, it was a news item about the Argentinian Premier League. Here's the (pre rule-change, presumably) rules:
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I just noticed this news item - interesting! I was wondering if it's scripted somehow or rule changes can happen in leagues from time to time at random.
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Surely the pressing intensity would have more of an impact than tempo? I always thought of tempo as how long players spend deciding which action they are going to take before taking it rather than anything athletic.
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So I've bought in a bunch of young players without work permits with the idea of loaning them out until they are allowed to play for me. I have one defensive midfielder who is great (might do a job for a good league 1 or poor championship team at 18) but he's unambitious and has poor determination.
The theory I came up with is to intentionally loan him to a team which will only offer "backup" playing time with the idea that he will be low down on the influence pecking list and therefore be more likely to be influenced by the team personality.
What do you think? Has anyone tried this before and how did it work out? Does anyone have a better suggestion?
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26 minutes ago, RHKC said:
Sorry if this is a novice question, but when PC's have a base Ghz and a Turbo Ghz, what is the difference? Does the PC automatically use Turbo when needed?
I have a new PC on the way that has 2.9 base and 4.1 Turbo so I'm just curious.
Thanks
Not a novice question at all! In theory you're correct but it also depends on the cooling capacity of the laptop. Often this means that the boost speed is only sustainable for very short periods (seconds often, especially with Intel CPUs). For general use this is usually fine as that's when you're opening a web page or loading a document, but it's something you'll notice for FM. If you're reading a good review for a laptop, one of the things they'll cover is cooling, so it's worth paying attention to.
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57 minutes ago, KnockItWide86 said:
Me too, just got it now, I know the receiver is in the mouse, any way of getting it out?. I know you can connect it via bluetooth or is the receiver better?
I don't remember it being in the mouse - it's probably still with the packaging! I would say if you have a spare USB port use the receiver. It's more reliable that bluetooth, has a lower latency and uses less power. Also it means you may not have to leave your bluetooth turned on.
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2 hours ago, KnockItWide86 said:
You use it for FM and general use?
Yes. It is quite a big mouse and I have a big hand, so it suits me well.
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4 hours ago, noikeee said:
Okay so meanwhile I've been looking at a few other things and am undecided between the R3 R3300X (though I'm not finding this anywhere in stock yet) and the slightly older R5 3600 with the 2 extra cores. Is worth the extra 50€ or so to get 2 more cores, does FM use 6 cores properly?
The extra threads would help if running many leagues. If it's within your budget I'd go for it.
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6 hours ago, KnockItWide86 said:
Not really a PC/Monitor situation, but I've ordered this for today (Wednesday) for the Logitech MX Master mouse, thoughts? Linky
I have one and I like it
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Yes it has 8 rather than 6 cores. the 4500u and 4700u have SMT disabled so you only get 6 and 8 threads respectively. The higher tier parts have it enabled so have twice as many threads. It should be noted that even if they are fully saturated (unlikely in any gaming workload) they still won't be twice as fast as the same number of non-SMT cores.
The 4500u is going to be a fantastic choice at its price point - apparently it performs better than even the highest tier Intel u-series processors in many tasks.