bermybhoy Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Welcome to the third SI Community Challenge, Old Firm in the Premiership. Background The history of Scottish football is utterly dominated by the so-called 'Old Firm' clubs, Celtic and Rangers. Between them, they have won the Scottish League title an astonishing 93 times, the Scottish Cup 66 times and the League Cup 39 times. Historically both maintain periods of relative domination, such as each sides 9-in-a-row successes of the 60's and 70's (Celtic) and 80's/90s (Rangers). But this domination leads to accusations that the Scottish League is uncompetitive, with other clubs rarely able to break the 'Old Firm' stranglehold. Indeed, no other club has won the League since 1985. European success has been relatively fleeting. Celtic were the first British club to win the European Cup in 1967, while Rangers took home the Cup Winners Cup in 1972. In the current decade, both came close to unlikely UEFA Cup triumphs, runners-up in 2003 and 2007 respectively. Both clubs have long and proud histories, holding many British and European attendance records and winning numerous trophies. Both enjoy massive following in Scotland, Ireland and accross the world; with supporter's clubs to be found in the most unlikely outposts, worldwide fan bases are estimated to number in the millions. Celtic play at the massive Celtic Park, with it's 60,832 capacity; Rangers at Ibrox which holds 51,082, both of which are filled every other week. In spite of this, both clubs and many of their fans frequently express frustration at being 'held back' by the confines of the SPL, with it's limited TV revenue which has lead to the clubs increasingly becoming unable to compete with even lower end Premiership teams for transfer fees and wages, let alone clubs of comparitive size and stature in terms of history and fanbase, such as the Big 4 in England. As such, participation in the Premiership has become something of a holy grail for the 'Old Firm'...with it's massive TV contracts and vastly increased income arising, surely both of the Old Firm, in short time, could compete at the top end of the English Premier League? Of late, some English clubs' chairmen have also expressed a willingness to consider inviting the Old Firm to the party... In this scenario, we will find out just how well they can compete in the EPL if they'd been there in the current season. The aim To take over Celtic or Rangers in the English Premier League and achieve as much success as possible in the 2008/9 season. Rules You should download this file, kindly prepared by dafuge, and follow the instruction contained within (open in wordpad or similar to read), which will result in Celtic and Rangers being placed in the English Premier League. (alternative download location here) You must load the English Premier League and SPL as a minimum, other English leagues if desired. Note that the SPL is required for all data to load correctly. Database size is optional, but smaller should mean quicker loading times. Manager starting experience should be set to automatic; you should post a screenshot of your manager's profile at the outset to prove this. Any achievements must be proven with screenshots. Please posts links to screenshots rather than the actual picture. This is a tough challenge, but kindly try to avoid anything that might be considered cheating. If you're in any doubt, please ask Points system For finishing position: 100: Champions 80: 2nd 75: 3rd 70: 4th 65: 5th 60: 6th 50: 7th to 10th 40: 10th to 14th 30: 14th to 17th 0: relegated Cups: 50: FA Cup winners 40: FA Cup finalists 25: FA Cup semi-finalists 30: League Cup winners 20: League Cup finalists 10: League Cup semi-finalists Bonus points: 15: For remaining undefeated at home in the league 5: For each win against the 'Big 4' (Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea) 5: For winning home and away against your Old Firm rival 2: For each player from the original squads who plays in more than half of your team's league games that season I will maintain a list of participants with points scored below. Best of luck! Leaderboard Celtic: 1. Norrbacka: 198 points 2. rberbe2002: 105 points 3. mickeyc: 57 points Rangers: 1. ger1873: 173 points 2. Raxxman: 128 points How to Post a Screenshot While in FM, press the 'Prt Sc' button (usually next to F12 on your keyboard). Open an image editing program such as Paint and paste the image Save the file as a JPEG Upload the image to an image hosting website such as Photobucket Post the direct Url to the image here. How to Add Links At the top of the forum, go to 'quick links' then 'edit options'. At the bottom, select 'enhanced interface' and save the changes. This will give you access to the extra posting tools that make it easier to post links. Once you've done this, highlight the word you wish to turn into a link, then use the link button (looks like a little globe) to paste in the direct Url to your screenshot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Will give this one a go, nice to know there is a third one up and running Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton162 Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Good Idea Bermy I may start this soon to get a break from my Dafuge's Challenge Game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flek Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 I will give it a go! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Profile Screenshot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bermybhoy Posted May 10, 2009 Author Share Posted May 10, 2009 Good to see people giving it a go already dafuge should take credit for suggesting the idea and preparing the edit file. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flek Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Looks like there is no staff! Maybe a bug because of moving the team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flek Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 My first comment is S. Maloney is the scotish CR7, and McCourt is can dribble 11 players at the same time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Looks like there is no staff! Maybe a bug because of moving the team? Looks like we need to load the SPL when starting the game to make sure all the data is there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon4 Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 might give this give a go after ive finished a season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenal_2111 Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 What clubs have been relegated/moved to Scotland? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy1872 Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 i might do this after;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almondo Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 gonna give this a shot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joetheref Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 Profile Here is my profile, will probably start playing it sometime this week but I'm gonna be busy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlesbeams Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 going to try this Profile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bermybhoy Posted May 10, 2009 Author Share Posted May 10, 2009 Looks like we need to load the SPL when starting the game to make sure all the data is there. Thanks - I've amended the opening post to reflect this. For everyone playing, let us know if there's any other problems. What clubs have been relegated/moved to Scotland? Stoke and Hull have been switched into the SPL as the two lowest placed promoted teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 First league game was a loss against Arsenal. We played very well though and, on another day, it could have been a much different result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
max-riot Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 if you create a .ddt file with notepad & enter the following, you don't have to load the scottish leagues. "RETAIN_PLAYERS" "1569" "RETAIN_PLATERS" "1570" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipertitan Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 i'm in loading game up now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlesbeams Posted May 10, 2009 Share Posted May 10, 2009 not something i wanted to read so early Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almondo Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 I'm haviung a problem getting the EDT file to work. I follow the instructions go to tick the file and it's not in extra files Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Between them, they have won the Scottish League title an astonishing 93 times, And Rangers have won 51 of those, and hopefully, 52 in the next 3 weeks... =P Anyway, great idea. However, I do feel that Rangers achieving success should be of more points - they have a weaker team in the game, no money(until the owner decides whether to sell or not), and there is a high risk of you losing your job, like somebody has pointed out(The AssMan might get the job instead, because he is an unproven manager. Not Ally, Ally's a legend. =P). Anyway, I might give this go. My only run with Rangers was terrible, in the SPL. But that's because the team is terrible in the game, in my opinion. Also, has European Football been canceled out for Rangers and Celtic then, with this challenge? Or does it remain? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlesbeams Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Also, has European Football been canceled out for Rangers and Celtic then, with this challenge? Or does it remain? Rangers are playing in Uefa Cup, Celtic, im not sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstein1967 Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 hey guys, quick question, ive downloaded the file but i cant find the folder its supposed to go in "Program Files\Sports Interactive\Football Manager 2009\data\updates\update-930\db\930\edt" I run my game through Steam - anybody else have this problem are is it just me being stupid?? Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joetheref Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Not gonna be a good season for me with Celtic, 2 games in, 2 defeats against Liverpool and Sunderland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murrayzoster Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Will give this a go after my exams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harveyrfc1234 Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 hey guys, quick question, ive downloaded the file but i cant find the folder its supposed to go in "Program Files\Sports Interactive\Football Manager 2009\data\updates\update-930\db\930\edt" I run my game through Steam - anybody else have this problem are is it just me being stupid??Cheers! it should be in program files/steam/steam apps/common Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 Started again with Celtic A bit late, presume that's okay? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jstein1967 Posted May 11, 2009 Share Posted May 11, 2009 nice one harvey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bermybhoy Posted May 12, 2009 Author Share Posted May 12, 2009 Started again with CelticA bit late, presume that's okay? Certainly not too late...hopefully plenty more people will give it a go. I'm hoping to find time to give it a bash in the next few weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joetheref Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Is holidaying allowed because my exams are starting soon and I'm not going to have enough time to play it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flek Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 So far after taking on Celtic. I have done some major improvement on the team. As with the default team I recon I would be fighting for a place arrount 8th-12th. I managed to sign Vagner Love 18,5M over 2 years and Leo 12M over 2 years. Got M. Diarra, Saviola and Vicente on loan. So far I have been strugling in the cup (because I have played the youngsters, but managed to win both games, although one was on penalties). League form is 2 wins in 2 home games, but both were very very hard working games. My defence looks a bit shaky sometimes. Maybe when Leo gets fit it will be better Screenshots soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Researcher Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3758/rangersprofile.jpg Off we go with the Gers then..... zero money to spend so time to offload half the squad - targeting a top half finish but looking like an uphill struggle from the off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Rangers are playing in Uefa Cup, Celtic, im not sure. Rangers is in the UEFA Cup? That's weird. Because neither Stoke nor Hull is in the Uefa Cup, and Rangers was in the Champions League at the start of the season... And Celtic was also in the Champions League, automatically this season. Rangers had qualifiers - and failed... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Researcher Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Opening day win for me, 1-0 away at Fulham - mind you had to wait for 91st minute penalty from John Fleck to get the result. Hoping Fleck will be my surprise package of the season - love playing a left footed striker and he's the only I've got! Haven't been able to bring anyone in yet but trying to offload Papac and Broadfoot to free up some money - have two targets in mind and should be able to get both on loan deals. Desperately need a left back as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markypoos77 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Good to see a third challenge starting! Will start this once i finish my first season with Luton AND my 2nd season with porto on the other challenges! Looking forward to it. Always had a slight preference for celtic over rangers (no idea why!? maybe because they have a more colourful kit!) so will take over as celtic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJoe Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Welcome to the third SI Community Challenge, Old Firm in the Premiership. Background The history of Scottish football is utterly dominated by the so-called 'Old Firm' clubs, Celtic and Rangers. Between them, they have won the Scottish League title an astonishing 93 times, the Scottish Cup 66 times and the League Cup 39 times. Historically both maintain periods of relative domination, such as each sides 9-in-a-row successes of the 60's and 70's (Celtic) and 80's/90s (Rangers). But this domination leads to accusations that the Scottish League is uncompetitive, with other clubs rarely able to break the 'Old Firm' stranglehold. Indeed, no other club has won the League since 1985. European success has been relatively fleeting. Celtic were the first British club to win the European Cup in 1967, while Rangers took home the Cup Winners Cup in 1972. In the current decade, both came close to unlikely UEFA Cup triumphs, runners-up in 2003 and 2007 respectively. Both clubs have long and proud histories, holding many British and European attendance records and winning numerous trophies. Both enjoy massive following in Scotland, Ireland and accross the world; with supporter's clubs to be found in the most unlikely outposts, worldwide fan bases are estimated to number in the millions. Celtic play at the massive Celtic Park, with it's 60,832 capacity; Rangers at Ibrox which holds 51,082, both of which are filled every other week. In spite of this, both clubs and many of their fans frequently express frustration at being 'held back' by the confines of the SPL, with it's limited TV revenue which has lead to the clubs increasingly becoming unable to compete with even lower end Premiership teams for transfer fees and wages, let alone clubs of comparitive size and stature in terms of history and fanbase, such as the Big 4 in England. As such, participation in the Premiership has become something of a holy grail for the 'Old Firm'...with it's massive TV contracts and vastly increased income arising, surely both of the Old Firm, in short time, could compete at the top end of the English Premier League? Of late, some English clubs' chairmen have also expressed a willingness to consider inviting the Old Firm to the party... In this scenario, we will find out just how well they can compete in the EPL if they'd been there in the current season. The aim To take over Celtic or Rangers in the English Premier League and achieve as much success as possible in the 2008/9 season. Rules You should download this file, kindly prepared by dafuge, and follow the instruction contained within (open in wordpad or similar to read), which will result in Celtic and Rangers being placed in the English Premier League. You must load the English Premier League and SPL as a minimum, other English leagues if desired. Note that the SPL is required for all data to load correctly. Database size is optional, but smaller should mean quicker loading times. Manager starting experience should be set to automatic; you should post a screenshot of your manager's profile at the outset to prove this. Any achievements must be proven with screenshots. Please posts links to screenshots rather than the actual picture. This is a tough challenge, but kindly try to avoid anything that might be considered cheating. If you're in any doubt, please ask Points system For finishing position: 100: Champions 80: 2nd 75: 3rd 70: 4th 65: 5th 60: 6th 50: 7th to 10th 40: 10th to 14th 30: 14th to 17th 0: relegated Cups: 50: FA Cup winners 40: FA Cup finalists 25: FA Cup semi-finalists 30: League Cup winners 20: League Cup finalists 10: League Cup semi-finalists Bonus points: 15: For remaining undefeated at home in the league 5: For each win against the 'Big 4' (Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea) 5: For winning home and away against your Old Firm rival 2: For each player from the original squads who plays in more than half of your team's league games that season I will maintain a list of participants with points scored below. Best of luck! Great idea, does this mean there are 22 teams in the Premiership? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton162 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Nope, read the above posts Joe Hull and Stoke have been replaced by Celtic and Rangers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJoe Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Sorry only read the first post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuSSex_GuNNer Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 This sounds like an interesting challenge so i thought i would ive this one a go. This is the first challenge i have ever tried and i opted for Rangers. It looks like it will be difficult as i have no money, over the wage budget and i need to heavily strengthen the squad. I was told to acheive a safe mid table position (which i think is a bit below par). At least i am in the Euro Cup though. My Profile http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6503/profilen.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JockStein1967 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 when i try to download th file all it does is bring up the HTML doc explaining where to put the edt file it doesn't actually download the file? any help? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 when i try to download th file all it does is bring up the HTML doc explaining where to put the edt file it doesn't actually download the file? any help? Have you tried saving it instead of opening it? The instructions are actually inside the file. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJoe Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 when i try to download th file all it does is bring up the HTML doc explaining where to put the edt file it doesn't actually download the file? any help? Save it into updates>9.0.3>db>903>edt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t_hall Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I'm looking to have a go at this challenge, but I just cannot get the file to work. I place it in the right location, but it just doesn't appear in 'Extra Files'. Any ideas? Ed: After only another 30 mins of fiddling, I've managed to get it right. http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w180/turrhall/Celtic.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munchkin Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 will be the gers! c'mon profile coming soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munchkin Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Profile what if you're sacked Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldskoolhero Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Morning, Just read this and will give it a go!! Sounds fun. But Could someone tell me how too take a screen shot and post it please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denther Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Morning, Just read this and will give it a go!! Sounds fun.But Could someone tell me how too take a screen shot and post it please? press 'print screen' whilst in game. Then paste it into paint or something similar and save it. Then upload it to a site such as photobucket Then just post a link here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JockStein1967 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Have you tried saving it instead of opening it? The instructions are actually inside the file.[/quoteThanks mate, i figured it out. just normally open downloads and get rid of the txt files and stuf before i save them. just the HTML file save was confusing me at first. thaanks again. Just one thing, when i go to upload my profile, it won't let me print screen on that page that mentions "automatic"? any tips? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamilton162 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Press Alt+F9 which also takes a screenshot and the screenshot will be in: Documents\Sports Interactive\Football Manager 2009\screenshots Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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