jozza800 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I was just thinking the other day how all the managers are fairly generic, maybe only the formation seperates them. To give them a bit more character, how about manager PPMs (or traits) in the same vein as players ppms. It could be tied in with their manager profile along with their prefered formation and attacking/defence bias Examples - Arsene Wenger - Plays Youth Players Strong Tendency To Sign French Players Harry Redknapp - Strong Tendancy To Sign Strong African Players Alex Ferguson - Tries Mind Games Play Kids In League Cup Mark Hughes - Complains About Referees Rafa Benitez - Likes To Rotate Squad Prioritises Europe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turn it upto 11 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 yeh this is a good idea, and then teams favour certain types of managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desmond-Norman mcphilfords Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 next one would be: Gary Megson- Likes to get relegated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbokav1971 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 That's a good idea . Neil Warnock - Doesn't like to put GK on the bench. Often subs strikers. Arsene Wenger - Never criticises own players. Claudio Ranieri - Likes to rotate squad. Jose Mourinhio - Strong tendancy to make early substitutions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbrahimAliMaher Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Yes, this would certainly solve the lack of personality issues I've seen posted on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopper99 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Good idea As others have said this would be a good way to give managers a bit more 'uniqueness' (if that's even a word). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jozza800 Posted April 14, 2008 Author Share Posted April 14, 2008 Also human managers should develop ppms based on what they do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomjr Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Hey, this is a great idea. I think there's still time for SI to put it in FM09? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
route1 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 An interesting idea.. as you say, player nationality it could be; Buys domestic players (or 'preference for') Buys players of home nation Also, I think incorporating some of the hidden attributes would help, giving ones mentioned such as; Uses substitutions frequently Rotates players The 'plays young players' one could also (possibly with some difficulty) link in with board confidence so if they got knocked out, the board wouldn't be as fussed. 'Complains about refs' and 'tries mind games' are good. Possible that others are linked to the media for how often they say things. And how about 'bad loser' or something too? The problem that arises with this is where do you limit them? People will always want others! nice idea though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
creature_from_ottawa Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Great idea every manager is,and should be different from each 0ther Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
C(r)ouch Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 One of the best ideas so far... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizan Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Definetly should be included in FM 09 Great idea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamshankley Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley Richards Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 One of the best ideas I have heard on here in a while Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
canvey!! Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Never though about this, but I absolutely love this idea! Kudos! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Simon Tipple Posted April 14, 2008 SI Staff Share Posted April 14, 2008 Most of these are already in the game as attributes. Managers have a rating for 'Mind Games', 'Controversy', 'Squad Rotation' and so on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Simon Tipple Posted April 14, 2008 SI Staff Share Posted April 14, 2008 Additionally something like 'Play Kids In League Cup' probably wouldn't be applicable if Ferguson moved to another club where the competition was more important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
canvey!! Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Originally posted by Si BHA:Additionally something like 'Play Kids In League Cup' probably wouldn't be applicable if Ferguson moved to another club where the competition was more important. That's true - and perhaps he'd need PPMs for competitions in Italy, and a plethora of European countries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
route1 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Originally posted by Si BHA:Most of these are already in the game as attributes. Managers have a rating for 'Mind Games', 'Controversy', 'Squad Rotation' and so on. As I suggested, they could be linked to these but in game (without FMM? don't know as I don't use it) these can't be seen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloydey Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Originally posted by Si BHA:Most of these are already in the game as attributes. Managers have a rating for 'Mind Games', 'Controversy', 'Squad Rotation' and so on. But they aren't shown in game - are they? They are more hidden attributes - similar to those that players have (e.g. consistency). Either these should be included as stats on the profile page or, depending on their hidden value in the database, should be included on the profile as a 1 liner (e.g. if 20 for rotation (Benitzez), "Likes to rotate players"). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Simon Tipple Posted April 14, 2008 SI Staff Share Posted April 14, 2008 I think what you're really suggesting here is giving the managers more personality. I don't think showing the hidden stats numerically is the way to go. Although using some of these attributes in news items and the like might be a good idea. Eg, "Manager x, no stranger to controversy, has..". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fattyg Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Paul Jewell- Enjoy's making sex tapes with women he's not married to. But yeh, sounds a good idea to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsonmcjones Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Great idea. My proposal: Alan Curbishly - Likes to sign players from accident & emergency wards. Likes to aquire 40 pts. and then put his feet up... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitja Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Slaven Bilic- always beats England... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelsonmcjones Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Originally posted by Mitja:Slaven Bilic- always beats England... Wins Euro Championship and then takes West Ham to Champions League glory... Here's hoping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirdez24 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Originally posted by Desmond-Norman mcphilfordsonboratnice2no:next one would be: Gary Megson- Likes to get relegated Nigel Quashie could have this as a player one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyrium Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 This would be very good, but it needs to be tested very well. I dont think the league cup thing is only because it is not so important (because it is for some teams), it is also because those managers who uses young playes in the cups etc want to give the young players a chance, and Ferguson an Wenger is typically one of those managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyrium Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 It would also be good to have them as something that is written in their profile, so that you know these things about them before playing their team. This can be used in your favour then, and if it actually works, then it would be fantastic and add a new tactical dimension to the game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rohan The Barbarian Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I like the idea a lot What I'd love to see is the more imaginative ones Alex Ferguson "Tends to sell star players over personal disputes" "Tends to dole out the hairdryer" Arsene Wenger "Tends not to see incidents involving own players" "Chronically tight fisted" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssestig Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 nice idea. would definitely improvee fm for me. for my manager it would be 'never uses any tactical subs unless losing a crictial game' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nots Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 rafa benitez : doesnt like horrible owners Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turn it upto 11 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 i think it would help to give us an idea of a unknowns personality to, aswell as regens. like ferguson and wenger i tend to just assume thier personalitys even though they might not e inplemented but when you get long term and regens are coming through theyre just another manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neji Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Fantastic idea. Most of these are already in the game as attributes. Managers have a rating for 'Mind Games', 'Controversy', 'Squad Rotation' and so on. They maybe in the game but they never seem to have any effect. Not enough to give managers personality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joor Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Originally posted by Neji:Fantastic idea. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Most of these are already in the game as attributes. Managers have a rating for 'Mind Games', 'Controversy', 'Squad Rotation' and so on. They maybe in the game but they never seem to have any effect. Not enough to give managers personality. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> These attributes ARE in the game and have a big effect on how team play, media comment etc etc.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neji Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 These attributes ARE in the game and have a big effect on how team play, media comment etc etc.. I know they are, but they dont have any effect in terms of giving the manager any personality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jozza800 Posted April 16, 2008 Author Share Posted April 16, 2008 These attributes ARE in the game and have a big effect on how team play, media comment etc etc.. It would be nice to see these though. To the untrained eye there is very little to differentiate from one manager to the next. On the whole the manager information is very limited. It may be a case of only see the ppms in countries/leagues/cups you are playing in and each one slowly being revelead if you change club/country. Although this would be more of a fog of war issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenEagle16 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Certainly the best proposed idea I have seen. Someone mentioned the limitless nature of the idea as a bad thing. But I think it is a good thing. Surely, ppm's are just as limitless and yet are used to good effect. New ones could be added freely, maybe a few every year, depending on how hard they are to incorporate into the game(which I have no idea of because I am no programmer). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jozza800 Posted April 16, 2008 Author Share Posted April 16, 2008 I dont know how easy/hard it would be to implement. I dont think it is the same as player ppms. Which i assume are linked to the match engine. Where as manager ppms would be linked to the general game code. Am i close to the mark? Would anybody in the know like to explain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FestyF Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Great idea. I'll keep bumping this thread until FM 09 comes, so as to keep reminding SI developers that this idea can make FM bestest game ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FestyF Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Originally posted by Si BHA:Additionally something like 'Play Kids In League Cup' probably wouldn't be applicable if Ferguson moved to another club where the competition was more important. In that case manager PPMs can be applicable only for his current club and if leaves and signs for another club, then his PPM will develop according to what he does at that new club. How about this^^ for a solution? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jozza800 Posted June 2, 2008 Author Share Posted June 2, 2008 Just giving this a bump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzydeepy Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 same here, great idea jozza. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 I've long argued for greater managerial personality/style to be effective in the game. They aren't 'Manager PPMs' tho' Preferred Moves would be - Sven - sits coolly in seat. Mourinho - charges down touchline when team scores SAF - berates 4th official when thrown in not given etc. Hey, could be ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
turn it upto 11 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 WHS^ PPM stands for players preffered moves, and managers aint players Originally posted by FestyF:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Si BHA: Additionally something like 'Play Kids In League Cup' probably wouldn't be applicable if Ferguson moved to another club where the competition was more important. In that case manager PPMs can be applicable only for his current club and if leaves and signs for another club, then his PPM will develop according to what he does at that new club. How about this^^ for a solution? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> then it would be 'Prioritizes league and european competions' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuppetMaestro Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Dennis Wise Has Googly Eyes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattbuck Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Graeme Le Saux - Butters both sides of his bread. or Molests his players at half time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzydeepy Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 bump Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB-forever Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 With a danger of repeating almost everybody that have replied so far: Great idea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazTheDoood Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Its a good idea, but would have to be implemented right, or would just become tedious and repetitive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheer Class Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Got mentioned about 3 years ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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