Queen'z Tactic - 4-4-2 - The way it should be played.

[sampuds]

just applied your tatic to my palace team - i hadnt won in my first four games in the league using knaps tatic and decided to give yours a go first result away from home against southampton i won 3-1 so i will carry on with your tatic and report back!

[7. Shevchenko]

Won my first six this season using your tactic. I'm very impressed so far, this could finally be my year thanks to you!

The only problem I have with this tactic is my centre-midfielders. They always seem to get a poor match rating, especially the right MC. Considering the players concerned are Stevie Gerrard and Miguel Veloso, I feel this is an area to be worked on. Any ideas?

[woodland81]

ive had the same problem, right MC was g barry, tried alternatives and everyone poor rating in middle of the park

[Flavour]

Not doing too well with my Sheff Wed team.

1 W

2 L

3 D

Tried mentality +2 D-Line -1 But that ended in a 3-0 defeat to Derby lol

[Son_Of_William]

Won my first six this season using your tactic. I'm very impressed so far, this could finally be my year thanks to you!

The only problem I have with this tactic is my centre-midfielders. They always seem to get a poor match rating, especially the right MC. Considering the players concerned are Stevie Gerrard and Miguel Veloso, I feel this is an area to be worked on. Any ideas?

Hmm .. Strange as the MC areas are normally quite good for me. Maybe try Often Through Balls, If it isn't already at often?

If that doesn't work mate, you could run a small test game and try to improve the MC and repost .

ive had the same problem, right MC was g barry, tried alternatives and everyone poor rating in middle of the park

See above mate.

Not doing too well with my Sheff Wed team.

1 W

2 L

3 D

Tried mentality +2 D-Line -1 But that ended in a 3-0 defeat to Derby lol

Hm .. Im not sure If I made it clear that the:

-1 D-Line was for when you are under pressure & the +2 Mentality was when you are looking for a goal?

Set up a Friendly is possible mate, with a team in similar stature to you and try putting your STRONGEST players in the 2 MC position and set them to hard tackle. I'm not sure if It will work but you could give it a go and report back please

[MartinGregory84]

Lost 9 games in a row started off okay but went caput Its not my team either as im Gateshead in BSP with an allstar team for that level

[Smallen]

first game I played with this tactic was a friendly at home to club brugge and my rcm scored twice (joey barton of all players) both cms dominated the park completing over 50 passes which is much better than usual for me

[Son_Of_William]

Great to hear mate.

[Son_Of_William]

Update : First season in the SPL. I managed to get 3rd place which is about 4 places better than I hoped for. I am delighted. As you can see in the screenie. The defence seems to be quite solid.

[displaced_seagull]

Anyone tried this with 9.0.1?

That is an incredible run with Montrose, btw.

[Son_Of_William]

Thanks mate. It took ALOT of hard work. Especailly SPL season. Highlights on slow. Constantly watching where it was going wrong. Guess it paid off in the end.

[Son_Of_William]

I have used this tactic in my first season as Montrose and won the league

Second season, media prediction, bottom, im in second place, half way through season so all is looking good

As i posted previously, this tactic is by far the best I have seen so far for FM 09. I will also try the tip regarding the D-Line and Mentality when I struggle (which is every so often)

Thanks Son Of William

Seems to work well for the mighty Montrose this tactic eh?

[JD nawrat]

I've downloaded your tactic.

I'm really surprised at how well you're doing with Montrose. Going from 3rd Division to SPL in 4 seasons is really something. Only Gretna have ever done better - and look where they are now.

I'm not going to use this tactic at the moment, as my current one is doing a good job. But if I hit bad form, I'll be employing your own.

Would you say this works better for smaller teams? I've been looking at taking over a League 2 side, and I was just wondering if this was perhaps the best tactic to use...

It's just that when you used Rangers, you only won the double(which Rangers are more than capable of. ;P), but with Montrose you've had some real success...

I'm currently using Man City, by the way...

Dunno which League 2 side I would use... Probably somebody with Media Prediction 16th or so.

[Son_Of_William]

I've downloaded your tactic.

I'm really surprised at how well you're doing with Montrose. Going from 3rd Division to SPL in 4 seasons is really something. Only Gretna have ever done better - and look where they are now.

I'm not going to use this tactic at the moment, as my current one is doing a good job. But if I hit bad form, I'll be employing your own.

Would you say this works better for smaller teams? I've been looking at taking over a League 2 side, and I was just wondering if this was perhaps the best tactic to use...

It's just that when you used Rangers, you only won the double(which Rangers are more than capable of. ;P), but with Montrose you've had some real success...

I'm currently using Man City, by the way...

Dunno which League 2 side I would use... Probably somebody with Media Prediction 16th or so.

That won't happen with me . I have great Finances.

I think it works well with smaller teams. I haven't really tested with a Big team. Well Montrose are now a big team. .

Yeh I lost the other on Pens .

[JD nawrat]

Hmm... After a disappointing match which I just played(lost 2-0 at Fratton Park), I'm going to use your tactic now.

I'm extremely disappointed by the fact that I lost.

Cardozo is a waste of 10M, and as far as the rest of the team goes, they'd be as well taking the day off.

The first goal came about because Richard Dunne is too slow, which allow them to be in a 3-on-1 situation(even thought I had 3 men back, Dunne, Taiwo and Palombo). I should never have been in a situation where Defoe and Crouch have a simple tap-in, as long their WG isn't selfish.

The 2nd goal was a good finish, but Richards passed the ball to him, and gave him the chance.

Truly disappointing.

I'm hoping your tactic doesn't have the same effect on my players. I'm disgusted at that last match.

The first match is against Rapid Bucharesti, in the EURO Cup.

It's a must-win, because a draw or lose could see me finishing 3rd(when I should be topping my group).

I'm away, but I'll post the results anyway.

EDIT:

I'm pleased with the start this has made.

Don't be fooled by the CCCs though. 2 were Robinho HEADERs, which hit the bar and post.

Two were the goals.

One was from my RB, Faubert, hitting the GK in the face, and the other was a missed chance from Cardozo.

[Son_Of_William]

Hmm... After a disappointing match which I just played(lost 2-0 at Fratton Park), I'm going to use your tactic now.

I'm extremely disappointed by the fact that I lost.

Cardozo is a waste of 10M, and as far as the rest of the team goes, they'd be as well taking the day off.

The first goal came about because Richard Dunne is too slow, which allow them to be in a 3-on-1 situation(even thought I had 3 men back, Dunne, Taiwo and Palombo). I should never have been in a situation where Defoe and Crouch have a simple tap-in, as long their WG isn't selfish.

The 2nd goal was a good finish, but Richards passed the ball to him, and gave him the chance.

Truly disappointing.

I'm hoping your tactic doesn't have the same effect on my players. I'm disgusted at that last match.

The first match is against Rapid Bucharesti, in the EURO Cup.

It's a must-win, because a draw or lose could see me finishing 3rd(when I should be topping my group).

I'm away, but I'll post the results anyway.

EDIT:

I'm pleased with the start this has made.

Don't be fooled by the CCCs though. 2 were Robinho HEADERs, which hit the bar and post.

Two were the goals.

One was from my RB, Faubert, hitting the GK in the face, and the other was a missed chance from Cardozo.

I dont understand. 6 CCC is good, regardless of it hits the posts etc surely?

[JD nawrat]

The tactic I was using was doing me no favours, whatsoever.

I was losing away matches, which I should've been winning.

The main thing I was looking for here was away victories.

With the first match being Rapid Bucharesti, Away, it would be interesting.

Ignore Portsmouth[A] and prior, and read only Rapid[A] and the rest...

The league looks like this now, and if you see my fixtures, you'll see that I've got a great chance of moving into the top spot now. And with United twice in a row, at home, two wins could buy me HUGE popularity, just like defeating Chelsea did.

Might I add, that this tactic has brought 6 goals out of Cardozo, in 3 games(including a hat-trick). Before this, he has 3 goals in 13(1 league, 1 Carling, 1 UEFA // this is 6 league and Carling Cup).

Many, many thanks to Son Of William. =)

You might have just won my ambition of Title Challenger. =D

Oh, also, I've won 5 games with this already, and 4 were away.

With that old tactic, I would only have won 1, at the max.

Oh, yes, 6 CCCs is good, but I was saying that although I got 6, they weren't as easy as made out. IMO, they weren't even Clear Cut.

[Adrian69]

With this tactic, its turned around my posession, i just played MAN UTD and had 68% of the pasession, however, i just cant convert this posession into chances, i only lost 1-0, but i had 4 shots, they had 27. I know its MAN UTD and im playing with newly promoted Sheff Wed, but its straight across the board no matter who i play, i can dominate posession, but cant create chances. Do i just need better players, or am i doing something seriously wrong ?

[Son_Of_William]

The tactic I was using was doing me no favours, whatsoever.

I was losing away matches, which I should've been winning.

The main thing I was looking for here was away victories.

With the first match being Rapid Bucharesti, Away, it would be interesting.

Ignore Portsmouth[A] and prior, and read only Rapid[A] and the rest...

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The league looks like this now, and if you see my fixtures, you'll see that I've got a great chance of moving into the top spot now. And with United twice in a row, at home, two wins could buy me HUGE popularity, just like defeating Chelsea did.

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Might I add, that this tactic has brought 6 goals out of Cardozo, in 3 games(including a hat-trick). Before this, he has 3 goals in 13(1 league, 1 Carling, 1 UEFA // this is 6 league and Carling Cup).

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Many, many thanks to Son Of William. =)

You might have just won my ambition of Title Challenger. =D

Oh, also, I've won 5 games with this already, and 4 were away.

With that old tactic, I would only have won 1, at the max.

Oh, yes, 6 CCCs is good, but I was saying that although I got 6, they weren't as easy as made out. IMO, they weren't even Clear Cut.

Great to see the tactic is working mate :thup:

Hope there is a lot of success in the future.

P.s - I hope it's ok that i removed the Screenies or the reply, it was saying there were too many Images.

With this tactic, its turned around my posession, i just played MAN UTD and had 68% of the pasession, however, i just cant convert this posession into chances, i only lost 1-0, but i had 4 shots, they had 27. I know its MAN UTD and im playing with newly promoted Sheff Wed, but its straight across the board no matter who i play, i can dominate posession, but cant create chances. Do i just need better players, or am i doing something seriously wrong ?

I'm going to be honest mate, I did make the tactic to try and combat most eventualities. Sometimes you loss, thats just the eay it is, however 27 shots against thats quite alot. Too many for my liking. How many CCC's came of that, it might be that they were hitting them from far out?

Did you try the Mentality +2 (when looking to score) and D-Line -1 When withstanding heavy pressure.

[Negorath]

Feedback on this tactic looks impressive, think I'll give this a go with my 2nd Division team next season I'll let you know how it goes.

[schreiber77]

I have tried this tactic with two teams, first with a savegame with leeds, and had some mixed results. So i decided to start a new game.

I started with blackburn and have played 12 games so far, and once again with mixed results.

I know I don't have the best team, but when I see some of the results made by other players with this tactic, I really wonder if I am doing somthing wrong?

I often have the same amount of chances as the opp. So either my attackers can't score, or my defenders can't defend. I have tried the thing with -1 d-line under pressure, and mentality +2 when chasing a goal, don't seem to work.

Results so far:

Fullham (H) 1-2 loss

Everton (A) 0-1 loss

Barnsley(H) 3-1 win League cup

Hull(H) 2-0 Win

sunderland(A) 1-2 loss

portsmouth(H) 1-0 win

portsmouth(A) 2-4 loss League cup

Arsenal(A) 0-0

Wigan(H) 0-0

Man City (H) 1-2 loss

Aston Villa (A) 1-2 loss

Chelsea(A) 1-3 loss

3 wins

2 draw

7 lost

Any sugestions?

[Son_Of_William]

Thats doesn't look great mate. Have you tried the Mentality +2 D-Line -1?

[JD nawrat]

I don't tend to make tweaks, unless I go down a goal, or I'm desperate for a last minute goal, to try and equalise to take the lead.

It's been working. I'm yet to lose a match with this tactic.

I beat Chelsea 2-0[A], United 3-1[H], United 2-0[H] and Stoke 7-1[A].

Really, really impressed. I'm sitting 1 point behind Liverpool, but I've played one game less than them.

[i don't mind about the screenshots. Don't worry. it was just for me to show off. =P]

EDIT: Actually, I'm 3 behind Liverpool. But I've a game in hand.

I was checking, in-game, to see the league table updated, and they must've been drawing. They had to have scored in the last minutes of the game.

[schreiber77]

Yep, don't seem to work for me. Played 3 more game 1 win 1 draw and 1 lost.

Is currently 15 in EPL, and my job is very insecure, so I think I'm gonna change to a new tactic.

But will proberly go back to this if I start at another club.

[JD nawrat]

Oh, Son Of William, have you tried playing with this tactic, and removing the FWR from one of the CMs?

I do it, so that I can play Palombo(DM).

I don't like playing with two CM, running forwards, so I have Palombo switch to a Support role. It seems to work very well. He assisted a few times, and even scored against United...

[Son_Of_William]

Not tried it yet mate. Will give it a go next time I am on .

[Son_Of_William]

Update:

Uefa Cup Qualifier:

Drew 1-1 With Valencia in the Mestalla, they scored a 92nd minute goal.

Won all my games in between then, then the big one Montrose v Valencia at Links Park.

Went down 1-0. David Villa.

Came back and won the game 2-1 to take me into Uefa Cup and send Valencia crashing out.

[JD nawrat]

Nice. Montrose to Spain, what is the world coming to? Ha.

Tactic is still going strong.

It's won me the League Cup(beat Everton 2-0 in the final).

It's got me in 2nd place, 3 pts behind United(I have 2 games in hand).

It's got me into the last 16 of the UEFA Cup(I'm again Aston Villa, who I've played 3 times, won 2, and drew 1).

It's got me in a 5th Round FA Cup match(against Villa, replay), and I'm winning 3-0.

It's an excellent tactic. I strongly recommend it. I've drawn 3 games since I started using this.

Bolton at home, Villa at home, and Liverpool at home.

Won every other. =)

[Son_Of_William]

Hah, you said it mate. Monty go marching on!

Great to hear mate.

[smgers]

SOW - Sounds like you've got a good tactic here so will give it a go with my Rangers side. Using my own tactic I'm only six games into the season and Pl 6, W 4, D 1, L 1. That defeat was a 4 - 1 hammering by Celtic!

Cheers and will keep you posted with how I get on.

[Wes_Coulam]

Are there meant to be global instructions for everyone? Looks likes theres no instructions just wondering i i have a bad download or this is right.

[Son_Of_William]

SOW - Sounds like you've got a good tactic here so will give it a go with my Rangers side. Using my own tactic I'm only six games into the season and Pl 6, W 4, D 1, L 1. That defeat was a 4 - 1 hammering by Celtic!

Cheers and will keep you posted with how I get on.

Awesome mate. Thanks.

Are there meant to be global instructions for everyone? Looks likes theres no instructions just wondering i i have a bad download or this is right.

Yeh mate, there are no player instructions. I'm sticking to K.I.SS

[timcliffsmith]

Hi Son of William,

I've been playing woth Cardiff City in the second season and trying different tactics and just about been tearing my hair out. Somebody on here recommended your tactic and...I'm still pulling my hair out.

I beat Forest at home in the first game. 2-1

I then did not win another game in the next five. Only lost 1-0 at home to WBA who were top but they battered me.

I massacred Coventry at home 20-9 (6ccc's) they 2-2 (0ccc's). Score? 1-1!

Then away at Ipswich it was something like them having 18-10 (5ccc's), I had about 14-8 (6ccc's) the score? 6-4 to them!

WTF?!

It's not your tactic mate - it's this game. It's getting to the point where I see people like yourself having success and think you must be making it all up!

[jep]

Downloaded this tactic and have got to say its impressive in its simplicity. It basically allows the players to play their normal games, and therefore good players do well in this system. I think the only changes I would make to it are to allow one central mid to go to mixed FWR (take the arrow off him - think it was suggested earlier by JDownie) and to also sort the set pieces out as they don't seem to have been touched.

Other than that its a winner for me

[Son_Of_William]

Hi Son of William,

I've been playing woth Cardiff City in the second season and trying different tactics and just about been tearing my hair out. Somebody on here recommended your tactic and...I'm still pulling my hair out.

I beat Forest at home in the first game. 2-1

I then did not win another game in the next five. Only lost 1-0 at home to WBA who were top but they battered me.

I massacred Coventry at home 20-9 (6ccc's) they 2-2 (0ccc's). Score? 1-1!

Then away at Ipswich it was something like them having 18-10 (5ccc's), I had about 14-8 (6ccc's) the score? 6-4 to them!

WTF?!

It's not your tactic mate - it's this game. It's getting to the point where I see people like yourself having success and think you must be making it all up!

I know what you mean mate. It's happened to me plenty of times. I think I said it on the first post. This game seems to work that you could have 20 shots during a game and they could have 2 and they could win 2-0. I think it's something that has to be addressed as although it happens in real life, it happens FAR too often for most of the FM players liking.

Downloaded this tactic and have got to say its impressive in its simplicity. It basically allows the players to play their normal games, and therefore good players do well in this system. I think the only changes I would make to it are to allow one central mid to go to mixed FWR (take the arrow off him - think it was suggested earlier by JDownie) and to also sort the set pieces out as they don't seem to have been touched.

Other than that its a winner for me

I might just try tweeking it mate and re-post. I'm useless at set-pieces, however i will have a look around the SI forums and try to make it better.

[JD nawrat]

Haven't played FM since last Thursday, but I've just looked at my progress, and it's more than impressive.

I've scored one or two from set-pieces, and I've scored 6 IFK(highest in the league, at the moment).

Basically, I searched for help with corners.

Apparently, you should have your long shot specialist to 'Outside The Box'.

Best Header of the ball on 'Challenge GK'.

Best natural finisher on 'Mark Far Post'.

Second best finisher(or second best header of the ball) on 'Near Post Flick-On'.

It's doing well for me.

As for IFK, search for the best header. It doesn't score for me, as my FK taker ignores me, lol. He always chooses the best option though, as I've scored 6 from it...

Just some pointers, because it's working for me.

Defensively on corners, my AssMan keeps complaining, saying that I don't have enough men back, but I've conceeded about 2 goals, in 40 or so games this season... =\

To summarise, this tactic is the best out there, in my opinion.

[Son_Of_William]

Haven't played FM since last Thursday, but I've just looked at my progress, and it's more than impressive.

I've scored one or two from set-pieces, and I've scored 6 IFK(highest in the league, at the moment).

Basically, I searched for help with corners.

Apparently, you should have your long shot specialist to 'Outside The Box'.

Best Header of the ball on 'Challenge GK'.

Best natural finisher on 'Mark Far Post'.

Second best finisher(or second best header of the ball) on 'Near Post Flick-On'.

It's doing well for me.

As for IFK, search for the best header. It doesn't score for me, as my FK taker ignores me, lol. He always chooses the best option though, as I've scored 6 from it...

Just some pointers, because it's working for me.

Defensively on corners, my AssMan keeps complaining, saying that I don't have enough men back, but I've conceeded about 2 goals, in 40 or so games this season... =\

To summarise, this tactic is the best out there, in my opinion.

Thanks for the help mate. When I have some spare time, i'll try implement it to the game.

I'm glad you are having success with it mate, and it makes me delighted that you regard it as the best tactic (so far) out there.

Thanks again.

[rolo]

I've given your tactic a good 8/9 game run and I have to say it just hasn't worked out mate. Being outplayed by teams like Newcastle in which I shouldn't be, me being Man City. Lost about 4 of the games and only won 1 game. Will have to look elsewhere.

Thanks anyway mate, good effort.

[Son_Of_William]

Sorry to hear that mate . thanks for testing anyway

[Jakamack]

Cheers mate, same to you.

No buddy. ST are exactly the same. All midfielders are Attacking. No play-maker or Target-man.

It's a very simple tactic bud, keeping to the "K-I-S-S" Theory.

whats the K-I-S-S theory?

keep it simplly simple is what i came up with

[Son_Of_William]

whats the K-I-S-S theory?

keep it simplly simple is what i came up with

Almost mate, Keep It Simple Stupid.

I have tried to keep the tactic as basic as possible as it's easy to tweek when you have to.

I have a small update: I finished 3rd for the second time in the SPL with montrose. In my 3rd season in the SPL i'm currently sitting 2nd 4 points from 1st.

[Whoopy D]

OK so after 4 seasons of my Notts County team, in my eyes, underachieving I decided it must be my lack of tactical brilliance and I'd consult the experts. I'm not a huge fan of all these fancy formations and like the simple 4-4-2 so immediately this thread caught my attention.

And I must say I was pretty happy with the results, I went on an unbeaten run at home winning 10 out of 12 games and on the back of that home form was challenging for top spot in the league. I was pretty disappointed with my away form though, no real consistency sometimes losing 3-0 and sometimes winning 0-3. I tweaked a few things here and there but with no real success and come the end of the season I lost in the first round of the playoffs which I was still pleased with however I can't help but feel if my away form had been stronger I could have won the league.

So basically I'm asking if you have any suggestions as to how I can make this tactic as strong away form home as it was at home for me? Either way great tactic mate and looking forward to see if I can finally get that promotion next season.

[JD nawrat]

32 Games Played

71 Points Achieved

Might I just point out that the first 10 or so were without this tactic.

Just suffered my first ever loss with it, unfortunately. =)

I'm still in with a chance of winning the league, in my first season.

As for the above poster, for Away games, I find that this tactic is best... I went 12 games without dropping a point away from home, before finally losing one match.

At home, I won nearly all, but drew 4 or 5...

I can't really advise you on anything.

Oh, might I add, I went on a 40 game undefeated streak, in all competitions. =)

[Whoopy D]

Nice work there mate, I'll persevere with it away from home and see how it goes this season. Hopefully I can achieve the sort of success you have.

[JD nawrat]

Nice work there mate, I'll persevere with it away from home and see how it goes this season. Hopefully I can achieve the sort of success you have.

Have you removed Forward Runs from one of the CMs?

I did this before I even tested the tactic, as it didn't suit DMs...

It might work in Away games, by providing a supporting player...

[Whoopy D]

Have you removed Forward Runs from one of the CMs?

I did this before I even tested the tactic, as it didn't suit DMs...

It might work in Away games, by providing a supporting player...

Was the first thing I tried Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't but I guess that's football. Maybe I just need better players...

[Omark]

Have been using this tactic to great success with Stafford Rangers in the BSN. In December and have only lost 1 game and drawn 3, the rest all wins. Like many of you I am having really poor ratings for my MC's and have tried many methods to increase it, so far to no avail. Was wondering if anyone has solved this issue with either this or any other tactic.

Also was wondering if this tactic works as one gets higher up the divisions. I see that Son of William has taken Montrose into the SPL but was wondering if changes to the tactic needed to be made when playing at the higher level, or is it a case of just getting the right players.

[JD nawrat]

Have been using this tactic to great success with Stafford Rangers in the BSN. In December and have only lost 1 game and drawn 3, the rest all wins. Like many of you I am having really poor ratings for my MC's and have tried many methods to increase it, so far to no avail. Was wondering if anyone has solved this issue with either this or any other tactic.

Also was wondering if this tactic works as one gets higher up the divisions. I see that Son of William has taken Montrose into the SPL but was wondering if changes to the tactic needed to be made when playing at the higher level, or is it a case of just getting the right players.

Well, I've just finished my season with Man City - Finished 2nd. I missed the first 10 games without this tactic, and gave up on the last 4, due to too many injuries.

All in all, an excellent tactic. Can be used at any level, seemingly.

As for your CMs, I didn't have this problem. I have it with one player, and it's because he's crap altogether.

But as long as I have a DM and AM in there, they do well.

Palombo and Yeste were doing good for me. Yeste did have some poor performances(7.5, then 6.3 etc.)

It can be varied, but most of the time, I do fine...

[Omark]

Do you have different player instructions for the DM and AMC? I only use MC's in that position.

[JD nawrat]

Do you have different player instructions for the DM and AMC? I only use MC's in that position.

Nope.

I don't tend to sign pure MCs, as there is a very small number of quality people that play in that position.

After Moutinho and Barry, there is barely any, well, Hamsik too...

So, I get AMCs to play in MC, with often FWR.

I get DMs to play in the other MC, with mixed FWR.

It's good, because it means that you always have your DM back to defend, and up to help, because he plays more of a support role. =)

Hope that helps.

I don't like fiddling with tactics that I download.

I sometimes take away FWRs, etc. but that is it.