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Izual

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Zune Player, Media Player, WinAmp, iTunes?

Jeez, bigger idiot than the OP, both of which have spectacularly missed their respective points.

I bet the team he chose got owned while trying the game out..

Anyways, use search function -> http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=76943 lolz

I always search by topic title as anything else brings up too many matches. Tried IGN and nothing came out.

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santy001

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Some points in there, all be it very few are brutally honest, for a new player etc this game is certainly daunting. My old man brought a copy and hes constantly on the phone to me asking me how to find certain things to the point where he used up £10 credit on his phone in one sitting lol. He's not exactly naive about computers either, never personally used that little adviser thing but he said it was poor.

Shame he ruined the few good points he had by trying to draw a comparison between FM and FIFA 09/PES, its a bit like comparing a cold and cancer, they're both types of illnesses/sicknesses but completely different kettles of fish.

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Matt ex SEGA

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Has anyone thought about the possibility that he might just not like the game? and as none of us are first time players like this chap seems to be so we are not in the best position to judge his comments.

I love the game but just because he doesn't don't make him a stupid yank with no attention span.It's only an opinion of which we all have one.

Not liking the game is fine - there are plenty of people that don't.

Not liking it because it's not a football action game is just daft, though.

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Indi75

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What's your problem with me Indi? It's quite obvious I think the review is a total jerk like everyone else in this topic.

Oh, and unreserved apologies to you Izual - your comment I had taken out of context.

Sorry mate, I thought you were suggesting signing up to agree with the idiot IGN reviewer when you said let our feelings be known.

That'll teach me to not read properly. :D

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Suzie MUFC

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Has anyone thought about the possibility that he might just not like the game? and as none of us are first time players like this chap seems to be so we are not in the best position to judge his comments.

I love the game but just because he doesn't don't make him a stupid yank with no attention span.It's only an opinion of which we all have one.

To be fair, if he's a games journalist who's getting paid to review a game, then all bias of whether he personally likes the game or not should immediately have gone out the window. He's there to review the functions of the game, the pros and cons and so on, not whether HE liked it or not, because every games journalist has the type of games they like and don't like, but they still have to review them from a technical point of view.

It's like going to see a house to buy and deciding not to buy it because you don't like the current owner's furniture.

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WTFisSoccer

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I'm pure American. Absolutely no European blood in me whatsoever. I'm probably a 5th or 6th generation African-American (educated guess - slave days). So I have absolutely no real reason as an American to like football. I just picked up a ball one day and started kicking it around one day. Ive been watching for 8+ yrs and playing FM for about 2 yrs. ( This is my second post I believe but I've been reading religiously for awhile now.)

It is possible for an American to actually care about something going on outside of their own country. Even though there are very few fans of the sport in our country I usually never have a hard time finding somebody to talk footy with. So beneath all the ignorance and disregard for the sport, there still are people who enjoy watching football and playing FM just as much as.

This guy who wrote this review is a moron. The worst part is IGN assigned this guy to write a review. Management games are not for everyone especially not the American Ipod and Myspace Generation. The only thing I ask is that at least, don't ever call me a Yankee. :eek: Oh No you didn't! Lol silly American joke sorry.:)

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Izual

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Oh, and unreserved apologies to you Izual - your comment I had taken out of context.

Sorry mate, I thought you were suggesting signing up to agree with the idiot IGN reviewer when you said let our feelings be known.

That'll teach me to not read properly. :D

lol i thought it was the case. It's too easy to get offended on the internet >_>

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Nimic

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I think everyone who can be bothered should sign up and post a comment, or even mail IGN about it. I can't be sure, but I think this might be the worst professional review of a game I've ever read. Ever.

It's not so much that he doesn't particularly like the game. The point is that you have to review the game in the context of the genre. You don't put people who clearly have no idea about management games to review the ultimate management game.

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Les Girondins

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a very poor review. evidently this individual doesn't have a vast capacity for professionalism and certainly appears to be falling down on the patience and integrity aspects of journalism also! but you can choose to disregard it and perhaps send an email to the editor asking him to check it out and raise your concerns. only way to sort people like that out is to report them for their laziness. ;)

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Avelives

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I'm pure American. Absolutely no European blood in me whatsoever. I'm probably a 5th or 6th generation African-American (educated guess - slave days). So I have absolutely no real reason as an American to like football. I just picked up a ball one day and started kicking it around one day. Ive been watching for 8+ yrs and playing FM for about 2 yrs. ( This is my second post I believe but I've been reading religiously for awhile now.)

It is possible for an American to actually care about something going on outside of their own country. Even though there are very few fans of the sport in our country I usually never have a hard time finding somebody to talk footy with. So beneath all the ignorance and disregard for the sport, there still are people who enjoy watching football and playing FM just as much as.

This guy who wrote this review is a moron. The worst part is IGN assigned this guy to write a review. Management games are not for everyone especially not the American Ipod and Myspace Generation. The only thing I ask is that at least, don't ever call me a Yankee. :eek: Oh No you didn't! Lol silly American joke sorry.:)

I think as an olive branch to our US cousins we should stop saying the review sucks just cause hes american.

The review sucks cause the reviewer is a total tard who evidently ignored the meaning of WSM (worldwide soccer manager) the clue is kinda in the title.

Funny also how the UK one gave it 9.1...

There are Americans who like football and are knowledgable about it, but the reviewer is not one of them. That said i know nothing about American Football but if i had to review a manager title for the game, i wouldnt mark it down for being to in depth and not being able to play matches lmao!!

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Krondor

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Both reviews are quiet valuable for SI/SEGA to see how's transition from "hardcore to mainsteam" going. So, next year's review scores would be as follows:

IGN US 5.0

IGN UK 5.0

That was the commercial consideration by SI/SEGA in the first place, right?

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x42bn6

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Both reviews are quiet valuable for SI/SEGA to see how's transition from "hardcore to mainsteam" going. So, next year's review scores would be as follows:

IGN US 5.0

IGN UK 5.0

That was the commercial consideration by SI/SEGA in the first place, right?

Depends - will they have in-game music, 3D graphics which will make Crysis look silly and the ability to press arrow keys to make your players run in that direction?!

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I'm American. I'm a casual football fan(only started being a fan over this past summer, in fact). I love FM. Sure, it took me a bit to figure out stuff because of how daunting it was, but isn't the challenge of figuring stuff out part of the fun of this game?

She has literally no clue about anything relating to this game. I'm embarrassed to be associated with her.

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GerdMuller

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This woman talks a lot of crap and doesnt have a clue at all. But she is right in the main point: This game is too complicated to play for everyone who has a life apart from FM and the interface and navigation is horrible. It cant keep up with the amount of decisions you have to make to make your tactics work.

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ToonForever

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"I couldn’t imagine why anybody would prefer Worldwide Soccer Manager to FIFA 09 or Pro Evolution Soccer 2009."

Lol?!

Precisely. It's comments like the quote that demonstrate why the reviewer isn't even qualified to review the game. If you can't understand that basic point... the mind boggles.

I spewed a long-winded comment to the same effect on the site. The reviewer is obviously a drooling arcade junky...

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Myros

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Of course the review is rubbish, no argument there.

But ... the response from SI staff here is a little disheartning. A lot of people will share that reviewers opinion and SI would do well to take into account the impressions people other than their die-hard fans have when first playing FM.

Im not saying SI should turn around and attempt to turn our beloved game into EA's FIFA but there is a lot they could do with the presentation of data and events to make it more interesting and appealing. Playing FM IS like playing a spreadsheet, for me as a long time player who appreciates the depth and detail that's no big deal ... I'd like things presented in a more modern and creative way but that doesnt stop me from enjoying the game. Many more people wont see it that way.

IMO SI could do with playing FIFA manager for a while and get some ideas about product presentation, yes the match engine is rubbish but that doesnt mean they have nothing to offer or learn from. FM may have the brains but fifaman does have some personality. It wouldnt hurt for FM to work on that a bit ;)

eg Take a look at the 'home page' and news stories from fifa manager and compare them to our FM, similar data may be communicated but the way it's presented is very different. IMO fifa manager captures the 'real' world far better in the way it creates personality from data .... just the way sky sports, magazines, newspapers etc do.

Football is not just goals scored and matches played ... yes that is the main part but the game as a whole is so much more and SI would do well IMO to consider that. Maybe displaying intelligence deeper than a toaster oven by not just rubbishing other's opinion but actualy looking a little deeper and see if they can see why a new user may come away with that type of impression. And perhaps see if there are any ways to draw users in and engage them without diluting the core game we love.

Just my opinion of course :)

Cheers,

Myros

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stewpot01

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As football is a predominantly female sport in the USA (i believe it's part of the girls sporting curriculum in shools), perhaps the thick-heads at IGN felt they were doing the right thing giving it to somebody they thought had an idea about "Soccer" - if it is indeed a female who posted the review.

If not, well it does not surprise me. The majority of Americans are as thick as pig sh*t when it comes to even trying to grasp the aspects of the game, let alone a management based game about the sport.

Remember, the Americans have no or little interest in sports they cannot win, or don't have at least a 85-90% of doing so.

Shows their knowledge, I remember a few years back before the 1970 finals, some meat-headed American reporter thought Mexico was hosting the tournament as defending world champions!!

I suspect the reviewer also has a miniscule attention span with regards to actually having tried the game out.

He probably wanted to manage the USA national side, got stuffed out of sight and then threw his toys out of the pram when he discovered he had come accross a game where America DON'T always win.

On a serious note, I think the 3D match engine is more likely a reason for the low rating, but even taking that into account, if you don't like that aspect of the game it's still worth an 8.

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As an American who learned how to play and enjoy this game despite rudimentary soccer (sorry, football :)) knowledge, I'm extremely disappointed in IGN. It's difficult to master if you aren't a football fanatic, but it certainly isn't difficult to learn. This screams of a guy who sat down and didn't even give the game a chance.

When it comes to the need of a "soundtrack," I know 90% of the time I end up muting music in games and listening to my own playlists. Who cares if there's no music.

I still struggle with tactics a bit, but that's what the community is there for. And the added challenge is half the fun!

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VonBlade

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I disagree about the need for menu music, and after 15 years I'm used to it being about as easy to use as Access. But otherwise it's tough to disagree.

We always say that FM has the gameplay, Fifa has the presentation. Considering the huge flaws that occur in this version it now has neither the presentation or the playability. So 2 is harsh, but 4 would be a fair score.

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ToonForever

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Remember, the Americans have no or little interest in sports they cannot win, or don't have at least a 85-90% of doing so.

I'm sorry, but that's simply an ignorant comment. Just like in Jolly ol' England, or wherever else sports are played, most people support losing, underachieving clubs. They're interested in the sports they were brought up on. We have our glory hunters here just like everyone else <cough>Chelsea fans<cough-cough>ManU fans<cough> but for the most part, it's not just about winning. So take your ameriphobia and haul off to the dentist, willya...

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schwefumbler

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As football is a predominantly female sport in the USA (i believe it's part of the girls sporting curriculum in shools), perhaps the thick-heads at IGN felt they were doing the right thing giving it to somebody they thought had an idea about "Soccer" - if it is indeed a female who posted the review.

Almost all American children grow up playing soccer (at least they did 5-10 years ago). Boys just have a lot more options when they get older, and the lucrative salaries and dedicated exposure "domestic" sports enjoy is overpowering. I can unequivocally say that soccer is gaining a lot of ground here (along with Lax).

If not, well it does not surprise me. The majority of Americans are as thick as pig sh*t when it comes to even trying to grasp the aspects of the game, let alone a management based game about the sport.

Remember, the Americans have no or little interest in sports they cannot win, or don't have at least a 85-90% of doing so.

That's a bit unfair? We have tons of interest in baseball, the "American pasttime," yet we are heavy underdogs in most international competitions. We get beaten handily by Central American countries with far fewer resources. See the Olympics and the WBC. Football is hardly an international sport. Softball is getting phased out of international play and most Americans couldn't care less. Just because we're good at a lot of things doesn't mean we don't care about things we aren't good at. I think you'd be VERY surprised how much support and interest the US team gets during the World Cup.

Shows their knowledge, I remember a few years back before the 1970 finals, some meat-headed American reporter thought Mexico was hosting the tournament as defending world champions!!

I suspect the reviewer also has a miniscule attention span with regards to actually having tried the game out.

He probably wanted to manage the USA national side, got stuffed out of sight and then threw his toys out of the pram when he discovered he had come accross a game where America DON'T always win.

On a serious note, I think the 3D match engine is more likely a reason for the low rating, but even taking that into account, if you don't like that aspect of the game it's still worth an 8.

Ugh, never use American journalists as a judge of the general populace. I can't tell you how many incompetent sports journalists there are, even in more mainstream American sports. My guess is this guy had a highly anticipated game next on the agenda and wanted to get this "useless" soccer game out of the way. I agree with you on the 3D engine, however.

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Mike J

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OK, so the guy has no clue and is clearly not the right person to review the game. Then again, are the general opinions on this site likely to be any less biased? Judging by the responses above they're not.

While the reviewer seems to have misunderstood the whole concept of the game there are a few very interesting points raised in the review. The game is extremely difficult to get into for newcomers and not only is it daunting in the sheer amount of information you're presented with, but it's also frustrating because it's not the type of game a casual gamer can easily understand. Everyone on this forum is not a casual gamer, pretty much by definition. If you care enough about the game to come to the official forums and participate on a regular basis you're not going to have the same experience of the game as a new player.

Maybe, among all the crap in this review there are some points the SI staff would do well to notice instead of posting their own criticisms of the article. Maybe the reviewers not the only one who's "missed the point pretty spectacularly".

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kiwityke

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Football is hardly an international sport.

That must be one of the most stupid comments I have ever read. International football is huge. The World Cup is the 2nd biggest sporting event after the olympics.

The crappy american sports are not international mainly because nobody else plays them. Football pretty much every nation on earth plays. Its a hugely international sport!

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That must be one of the most stupid comments I have ever read. International football is huge. The World Cup is the 2nd biggest sporting event after the olympics.

The crappy american sports are not international mainly because nobody else plays them. Football pretty much every nation on earth plays. Its a hugely international sport!

I think he was talking about american football...

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lonestar007

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The crappy american sports are not international mainly because nobody else plays them. Football pretty much every nation on earth plays. Its a hugely international sport!

Baseball - largely international

Basketball - even more so

Hockey - And then some..

American football - gaining popularity internationally and playing regular sold-out games in *shock* London.

But hey, I would only expect such a narrow-minded and bias comment calling sports 'crappy' from an American discussing football/soccer right? I mean, ignorance is what only we Americans thrive on when it comes 'international' sports.

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Baseball - largely international

Basketball - even more so

Hockey - And then some..

American football - gaining popularity internationally and playing regular sold-out games in *shock* London.

But hey, I would only expect such a narrow-minded and bias comment calling sports 'crappy' from an American discussing football/soccer right? I mean, ignorance is what only we Americans thrive on when it comes 'international' sports.

I was talking about International competition. Not if people play or watch the sports. International competition is a joke with the above sports, mainly because only America (and Canada in the case of Ice Hockey) play them to that level.

Sorry if my opinion that American sports are 'crappy' offended you, I just find them that way. I find many english sports 'crappy' also. American Football would be great if it wasn't for the endless stoppages that make the game last for ever.

Also people calling football soccer is a pet hate of mine, I live in NZ and they insist on calling Rugby (both codes) football, and football soccer, and it really winds me up.

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schwefumbler

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That must be one of the most stupid comments I have ever read. International football is huge. The World Cup is the 2nd biggest sporting event after the olympics.

The crappy american sports are not international mainly because nobody else plays them. Football pretty much every nation on earth plays. Its a hugely international sport!

My mistake, I'd mentioned soccer earlier in the post, but I still should have prefaced it. I incorrectly assumed the distinction could be made.

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i really wouldnt worry urselfs about that review, anyone who calls football soccer really needs to go buy a one of them giant hands and shout " LETS GO YANKEES DUM DUM DUM DUM" whislt watching american football.

Anyway he said he found it extremely difficult to navigate through the screens............anyone who finds that difficult should be on disability allowance instead of working.

I call it soccer.....and yet I was up at 10 this morning cheering on my beloved Gunners. Not all of us have those giant hands and just because we call it soccer (an english word mind you) doesn't mean we're all mindless chimps....

and FYI, the Yankees play baseball.....or maybe that was your attempt at sarcasm........don't know, but I do know that if you think all americans act like that you're a f&*$ing ******

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