[FM24] Tulach Bòide [Scotland Tier 13]

Rikulec · January 20

3 hours ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

I think it's too early to say what our average home gate figure will be in the league. We've played just 2 home games (Clyde 1,169 & St Mirren 2,666), and I honestly can't accurately tell you who we should expect a big attendance from or why.

For example I looked at the Alloa game in the League Cup in pre-season and expected a big crowd, and just 1,157 turned up on a Saturday, but 5,557 turned up on a Wednesday night for Forfar. These weren't away fans. These were our fans. I don't understand it. Maybe it will become clearer as the season progresses.

You always get a big boost for your first friendly, then the first competitive game, and then possibly also the first league game at the new stadium, it's probably that.

Jimbokav1971 · January 20

Oct 2041.

Scottish Championship. We're honestly not playing badly at all. Things just aren't falling for us.

I have no idea what's happening with the attendances. We had 5,385 in to watch us lose to Dunfermline, but then only 989 and 783 against Raith & Montrose.

Records.

Goal-scoring GK's. 2 pens taken and both of them missed this month.

(23) Brass (Bal) 6'2" is 5/8 from the spot at 63%. (Is no longer at the club).
(23) Ewing (Bal) 6'1" is 17/20 from the spot at 85%. (Is no longer at the club).
(25c) Christie (F.Sport) 6'1" is 46/52 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(26p) Marsh (CAN)(SCO) 5'10" is 15/17 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(30a) Ogilvie (Fickle) 6'2" * is 47/64 from the spot at 73%. (Is no longer at the club).
(31k) Lawrie (Unamb) * is 23/29 from the spot at 79%. (Is no longer at the club).
(33a) Black (Fickle) 6'0" * is 2/3 from the spot at 67%. (Is no longer at the club).
(37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" * is 9/16 from the spot at 56%.

Finances. The only difference the new stadium has made to our finances is that now El Chieftain doesn't have to invest cash to keep us afloat. :lol:

Jimbokav1971 · January 21

Nov 2041.

Scottish Championship. A really tough month that saw us play 4 of the top 6 with 4 of our 6 games away from home. 9 points is a brilliant return considering our recent form and moved us clear of the relegation zone.

Our 2 home attendances generated crowds of 6,225, (our 1st sell-out), and 4,930.

Internationals.

Goal-scoring GK's. 2 pens taken this month and both converted.

(23) Brass (Bal) 6'2" is 5/8 from the spot at 63%. (Is no longer at the club).
(23) Ewing (Bal) 6'1" is 17/20 from the spot at 85%. (Is no longer at the club).
(25c) Christie (F.Sport) 6'1" is 46/52 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(26p) Marsh (CAN)(SCO) 5'10" is 15/17 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(30a) Ogilvie (Fickle) 6'2" * is 47/64 from the spot at 73%. (Is no longer at the club).
(31k) Lawrie (Unamb) * is 23/29 from the spot at 79%. (Is no longer at the club).
(33a) Black (Fickle) 6'0" * is 2/3 from the spot at 67%. (Is no longer at the club).
(37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" * is 11/18 from the spot at 61%.

Finances.

Jimbokav1971 · January 21

Dec 2041.

Scottish Championship. After a slow start to the season we've gradually moved up the table and thankfully Clyde have imploded and seem intent on claiming 10th place and relegation for themselves. The Top 2 are romping away with the league, but everyone else seems much of a muchness with 9 points separating 3rd to 9th.

Challenge Cup. (SPFL Trust Trophy).

(The opposition our top of our league). A 4-3 away loss to top of the table Livingston is actually a good result and it was an even better performance.

Goal-scoring GK's. 2 more goals from 2 attempted pens.

(23) Brass (Bal) 6'2" is 5/8 from the spot at 63%. (Is no longer at the club).
(23) Ewing (Bal) 6'1" is 17/20 from the spot at 85%. (Is no longer at the club).
(25c) Christie (F.Sport) 6'1" is 46/52 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(26p) Marsh (CAN)(SCO) 5'10" is 15/17 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(30a) Ogilvie (Fickle) 6'2" * is 47/64 from the spot at 73%. (Is no longer at the club).
(31k) Lawrie (Unamb) * is 23/29 from the spot at 79%. (Is no longer at the club).
(33a) Black (Fickle) 6'0" * is 2/3 from the spot at 67%. (Is no longer at the club).
(37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" * is 14/27 from the spot at 61%.

Finances.

Jimbokav1971 · January 21

Jan 2042.

Scottish Championship. The Livingston game was tough and we did well to run them close, even with us at home. Of course we should have won, but they scored from all 3 of their shots on target and their GK made 5 saves to win them the game. Against Partick Thistle it was actually the other way around and we should have lost.

Scottish Cup. (The Big one). The next round is against Edinburgh who are currently 10th in League 2. We're at home so we have a good chance of progressing.

(The opposition are 4 leagues below us). It was a comfortable win and now we need to win again in the next round.

Transfers.

Goal-scoring GK's. Nothing this month.

(23) Brass (Bal) 6'2" is 5/8 from the spot at 63%. (Is no longer at the club).
(23) Ewing (Bal) 6'1" is 17/20 from the spot at 85%. (Is no longer at the club).
(25c) Christie (F.Sport) 6'1" is 46/52 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(26p) Marsh (CAN)(SCO) 5'10" is 15/17 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(30a) Ogilvie (Fickle) 6'2" * is 47/64 from the spot at 73%. (Is no longer at the club).
(31k) Lawrie (Unamb) * is 23/29 from the spot at 79%. (Is no longer at the club).
(33a) Black (Fickle) 6'0" * is 2/3 from the spot at 67%. (Is no longer at the club).
(37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" * is 14/27 from the spot at 61%.

Finances. It appears that the less money we owe, the more money we have to pay towards our Youth Setup costs. We almost got back into credit again before we were hit with the biggest bill yet of £253,985.

Edited January 21 by Jimbokav1971

Jimbokav1971 · January 21

Clauses. Feb 2042.

(30l) Docherty (F.Pro) SELL is a Fringe Player at Stenhousemuir in League 1, so this clause is largely worthless.

(31k) Lawrie (Unamb) SELL is a Backup player at Wolves so this isn't worth much, but Wolves are in the Premier league so you never know.

(34b) Morrison (ENG) (Resil) * has a 50% clause that I can sell now for £253k, but as he's worth £1.5M I think I will hold out for more.

(34c) Soutar (L.Det) SELL is a Backup GK at Partick Thistle in the Championship, but this clause is largely worthless.

(35a) McColl (Bal) * is at Ross County in the Premiership, but the 30% profit clause is worthless because he's joining Dunfermline in the Championship on a free at the end of the season.

(36a) Cunningham (IRL)(F.Det)* has a 20% profit clause and as he's currently worth £2.6M and we sold him for £1.2M this could get is a little bit of cash if Bologna sell him.

(38a) Arthurs (NIR) (F.Det) * has a 40% clause and as we sold him for £50k and he's currently valued at £15.5M-£18M, this could be a tidy little sum.

(39a) Banner (Bal) * has a 40% profit clause and as he's valued at £7.6M-£9.4M this could be worth a tidy sum.

Thebaker · January 21

i thought the new stadium would make more of an impact on the finances, guess you need to make a lot from a sell on to ensure the chairman doesn't sell too many more players.

Jimbokav1971 · January 21

32 minutes ago, Thebaker said:

i thought the new stadium would make more of an impact on the finances, guess you need to make a lot from a sell on to ensure the chairman doesn't sell too many more players.

The reason that it seems like it's not having an impact is because the money that the board were putting in to cover the losses we were making has been replaced by the increased revenue from the stadium. He stuck in approx £4.5M over 2 years so it's a lot of money to replace. It does mean we're on a much stronger footing though and more or less breaking even, (in very basic terms). As soon as we sell more players, (for proper money), or sell clauses or get clauses triggered then we should be fine. It's still a huge step just to be solvent even if it doesn't feel like it.

Jimbokav1971 · January 21

13 hours ago, Rikulec said:

You always get a big boost for your first friendly, then the first competitive game, and then possibly also the first league game at the new stadium, it's probably that.

I understand getting an increased attendance for the opening of a new stadium, but I don't think that's it, (although maybe).

We absolutely got a boost for the Bolton game, (as you would expect), because it was the 1st game in a new stadium.
The Gladbach friendly was also strangely high though. Why do we get 6k+ on a Monday against Gladbach but only £1,500+ 2 days later against Sampdoria on Wednesday?

Some of the other attendances look strange though, but it could all be down to away fans.

Clyde brought 193 away fans, (so 976 home fans).
St Mirren brought 1,829 away fans, (so 837 home fans).
Partick Thistle brought 704 away fans, (so 815 home fans).
Brechin City brought 535 away fans, (so 617 home fans).
Dunfermline is 100% down to away fans because there were 4,600 of them there, (so 785 home fans).
Raith Rovers brought 284 away fans, (so 705 home fans).
Montrose brought 153 away fans, (so 630 home fans).
Falkirk brought 4,669 away fans, (so 1,556 home fans). This was our 1st sell-out at the new stadium.
Livingston brought 4,093 away fans, (so 837 home fans).
Clyde2 brought 160 away fans, (so 802 home fans).
St Mirren2 brought 1,557 away fans, (so 815 home fans).
Partick Thistle2 brought 774 away fans, (so 873 home fans)

Actually, after looking at this it all looks fine, and the general upwards/downwards trend follow form. :thup:

We're not being drawn at home in the Cups very often, but are at home against Edinburgh.

It was the Forfar game that I found particularly strange, because they only brought 284 away fans, (meaning that there were 5,273 home fans), but as you say this was out 1st home competitive fixture so would have received a boost as you mentioned. It's the only reasonable explanation.
Alloa brought 720 away fans, (so just 437 home fans), but this makes sense because this is a glorified friendly anyway.

My initial reaction was that you were wrong @Rikulecbut in the absence of other ideas I think I have to go with you. :thup:

Jimbokav1971 · January 21

Feb 2042.

Scottish Championship. A 3rd min straight red card against Brechin didn't set us up well for a good game and we struggled, but we did well against a strong Dunfermline side.

Scottish Cup. (The Big one). Dunfermline in the next round should prove too tough an obstacle for us, but we drew with them in the league in the last game of the month and a draw was a fair result. I would love to win on pens or in injury time or even better by virtue of a ridiculously early red card.

(The opposition are 2 leagues below us). A comfortable win.

Transfers. We've lost 4 big players for us this season. We've managed to get 2 of them back in on loan, but we've only got proper cash/money for 1 of them. The add-ons are all likely to be good when they do eventually come, but the problem is that until we build up a few quid in the bank we will forever be under threat of El Chieftain trying to sell player for small initial fees but significant sell-ons to Secure our financial future. I completely understand his thinking behind this, but (1). I think he has sold the wrong players, and (2). I think he's sold them too early in most cases. I can understand selling them with 2 years left on their contract so there is no danger of losing them on a free, but all these players had 3 and even 4 years left on their contracts. It's madness!

Despite all that, this still isn't a bug. It's just a Chairman making decisions to secure the long term financial future of the club. I we were playing Football Chairman rather than Football Manager I might be doing something very similar, (albeit later), and with better add-ons.

In case you are wondering..... the real reason we're in this state is because we've gone years without a decent Cup run.

We won 3 games in 2036/37.
We won 3 games in 2034/35.
We won 4 games in 2032/33.
We won 7 games in 2030/31.
We won 4 games in 2027/28.

In contrast, in the last 5 years we've won a total of 3 games. :lol: I appreciate that because of our progress we're now joining the competition at a far higher level, but still.... It's really not good. :rolleyes:

This is a real kick in the nads and we're being absolutely decimated for no reason. He had years left on his contract and there is no rush, but El Chieftain is probably just thinking, the sooner the sell him the sooner they develop him and sell him. This is a big loss, not in terms of the player he will become, (because he was always going to move on), but in terms of the player he is now and how long his contract still had to run. Please no more.

Goal-scoring GK's.

Finances. I thought we might have been in credit, but not quite.

I was half joking when I said it originally, but it appears to be true. The less money we owe, the more we have to pay in Youth Setup costs. :confused:

Jimbokav1971 · January 22

Youth Day. Mar 2042.

We've lost so many players in the last few windows that we're basically short everywhere apart from GK and striker. WBL and centre-half are probably the most needed positions. I could really do with someone coming through who's able to walk straight into the 1st Team and improve it, (but that's being greedy I suppose).

We've got just 1 Scottish born player who wasn't born in Alloa, and he just happens to be rock bottom of the list ranked by PA.

There are just 2 players in the intake who have less than 9 for their Det attribute, and refreshingly neither of them also has Unamb as their personality, (so just 1 negative rather than 2).

(42p) Donald (L.Det) only has 2.0 CA so is at risk of being released, however his "level-headed" MH means that he has decent Pro and Loyalty so what the hell he will get a contract too.
(42c) Ross (IRL) (L.Det) has 4.5 PA so he's getting signed anyway, but also has Media Friendly MH which doesn't tell us much.

It appears a good intake in terms of lots of 4 "Elite" talents and 6x 4.5 PA players, but I really don't think it's great and this is supported by the overall rating.

BML · January 22

I'd always assumed (rightly or wrongly, but it makes sense on available evidence in my saves) that attendance is based off a formula that mostly takes into account:

- Rep. of opponent.

- Rep. of your team.

- Rep. of competition/importance of game.

- Your form.

- Ticket price.

- In-game rivalry.

With other things like weather, day/time, TV etc. as minor things. This is much more evident when you have a large percentage of 'fair weather' fans, leading to some of the wild swings you are seeing in your attendances in the new stadium.

I'm not in-game to check right now, but the teams that are giving you the higher attendances would appear (in my mind at least) to be of a higher rep/quality than the teams that are not and may explain why you're seeing what you are.

On a second point, and to go back a couple of pages to your staffing and lack of involvement, I have always found that leaving the AI in charge of staffing/contracts leads to people on hugely inflated contracts for no real reason (yearly increases and increases in wages every renewal) which, for a club in your financial situation can be a killer. If you were taking an active involvement in staffing you are quite likely to easily find [better/more suitable] staff on a much lower wage, saving you money without the need to trim your squad even further.

Of course, if the AI in charge of your staffing is still bringing in everyone on amateur contracts, you can ignore me!

Jimbokav1971 · January 22

Mar 2042.

Scottish Premiership. We played really well this month. The 2nd Team beat Raith Rovers and then a team weakened by International call-ups ran St Mirren close but we missed a pen and you just can't afford to do that and win against the bigger teams.

Scottish Cup. (The Big one). This is a much better performance overall in the Cup and we have 3 home ties that give us some much needed additional income as well as a significant amount of prize money, (£529k).

(Our opposition are in the same league as us). It was a really tight game that we probably deserved to nick. We dominated the ball and had the better chances, but Dunfermline had their chances too.

(The opposition are 1 league above us). We played really well and kept it at 0-0 while creating our own chances, but the Premiership outfit were just too strong and ran out deserved winners in the end so no complaints from me. This is the level we should be getting to every season.

Debuts.

Internationals.

Postponement. The way I look at it, we're unlikely to get anything out of the St Mirren game anyway, so postponing it and making us, (and the opposition), play 2 games quite close together makes absolutely no difference because we will just play a different XI in each game. It might just give us the edge we need to get something out of the game. If we lose, then at least the 2nd Team have had another game.

Unfortunately, they just postponed the game from Saturday 29th March to Sunday 30th March, (when my players were still away), so...... yeah, thanks for that. :rolleyes:

New contract.

Goal-scoring GK's. 1 pen missed this month.

(23) Brass (Bal) 6'2" is 5/8 from the spot at 63%. (Is no longer at the club).
(23) Ewing (Bal) 6'1" is 17/20 from the spot at 85%. (Is no longer at the club).
(25c) Christie (F.Sport) 6'1" is 46/52 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(26p) Marsh (CAN)(SCO) 5'10" is 15/17 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(30a) Ogilvie (Fickle) 6'2" * is 47/64 from the spot at 73%. (Is no longer at the club).
(31k) Lawrie (Unamb) * is 23/29 from the spot at 79%. (Is no longer at the club).
(33a) Black (Fickle) 6'0" * is 2/3 from the spot at 67%. (Is no longer at the club).
(37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" * is 14/28 from the spot at 50%.

Finances. We're finally in credit again, (at least for a while).

Jimbokav1971 · January 22

2 hours ago, BML said:

I'd always assumed (rightly or wrongly, but it makes sense on available evidence in my saves) that attendance is based off a formula that mostly takes into account:

- Rep. of opponent.

- Rep. of your team.

- Rep. of competition/importance of game.

- Your form.

- Ticket price.

- In-game rivalry.

With other things like weather, day/time, TV etc. as minor things. This is much more evident when you have a large percentage of 'fair weather' fans, leading to some of the wild swings you are seeing in your attendances in the new stadium.

I'm not in-game to check right now, but the teams that are giving you the higher attendances would appear (in my mind at least) to be of a higher rep/quality than the teams that are not and may explain why you're seeing what you are.

I agree with all of that. It was/is my thinking too. I think what confused me was that I wasn't expecting a bonus for our 1st league game.

I get the 1st friendly game.
I get the 1st competitive game.
I don't specifically get the bonus for a 2nd competitive game just because it's a league fixture, but that's certainly how it appears to me and the evidence seems to completely back up what @Rikulecsaid in his post at the top of the page.

I think that if you take the 1st games increase out then everything looks fine, because the differences are all away fans driven. I haven't bothered to look at what drives away fan numbers, but as long as our numbers make sense then I'm fine with that. The thing here is that there is such a disparity in size of clubs in this league that the attendances differ enormously, and if truth be told I don't actually know who is and isn't a big club in Scotland other than the following as a general rule of thumb.

Celtic & Rangers, (in that order), although it appears the order is reversed in game.
Aberdeen, Hibs & Hearts, (in any order).
Motherwell, St Mirren, Kilmarnock, Dundee/Dundee Utd (except that the non-tangerine Dundee, which I think is the blue Dundee are not as good as the tangerine Dundee Utd, but because I'm not sure who is whom they have to be grouped together).
ICT, Hamilton and then everyone else is much of a muchness.

There we go then. Great. Now that I have offended every Scottish reader in the thread I feel able to continue. :lol:

Jimbokav1971 · January 22

2 hours ago, BML said:

On a second point, and to go back a couple of pages to your staffing and lack of involvement, I have always found that leaving the AI in charge of staffing/contracts leads to people on hugely inflated contracts for no real reason (yearly increases and increases in wages every renewal) which, for a club in your financial situation can be a killer. If you were taking an active involvement in staffing you are quite likely to easily find [better/more suitable] staff on a much lower wage, saving you money without the need to trim your squad even further.

Of course, if the AI in charge of your staffing is still bringing in everyone on amateur contracts, you can ignore me!

I haven't really found that to be the case over the years, (real years rather than in-game years), but there is certainly some amount of yearly increase which I see, bit just for the hell of it, let's have a look now and see.

There are 2 distinct groups of staff at the club right now.

We have 11 staff on PT contracts ranging from £30 pw to £325 pw and then a 12 staff member on a PT contract but earning £725 pw.
We also have 6 backroom staff who are all on Amateur contracts. I saw this when responding to @erik45about staff personality, and just thought I would leave it as is for the time being to save money. I either didn't notice the £725 contract at the time or it's new since then. (He was recruited in July 2041 so he is new).

10 of the 12 PT staff have 25% promotion clause & 25% relegation clause, but 2 of the coaches don't.
Nobody has a yearly % increase.
The Ass Man on £725 looks decent but doesn't look way better than the others, but he was also the staff member recruited most recently so it could just be that he's the next level of coach that our new reputation has unlocked.

Don't get me wrong, I'm gutted that he's getting £725 pw and I'm getting nothing, but that's about my contract rather than his.

Even with the £725 wage I quite like him. I have a Continental C Licence and he is 1 of only 3 staff with a Continental A Licence, (which I think is the top), and the others are both GK Coaches. Not sure I see too much hugely wrong with the contracts, (other than mine)..... and the Amateur contracts but let's just ignore that for a little bit longer.

What do you think?

I'll tell you what I will do @BMLThere are quite a few staff who's contracts expire at the end of this season, 9 to be precise. You and @erik45can each select 1 of them that you want to get rid of, and I will provide you with a shortlist of replacements for you to choose from!

Jimbokav1971 · January 22

Coaching Staff with contracts expiring at the end of the season. Apr 2042.

So @erik45 and @BMLyou can each pick 1 staff member from the following list, (not the HoYD because I will be looking at that myself), and if you want to get involved in replacing someone then let me know who and I will provide a list of replacements with some info.

This bloke has been with us since 2029. Does that mean he should stay or that he should go?

This guy doesn't look great. He's 62 and has been with us since 2027. I think I might get rid of this bloke even if you 2 don't. :lol:

We probably only need 1 GK Coach anyway.

BML · January 22

22 minutes ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

I haven't really found that to be the case over the years, (real years rather than in-game years), but there is certainly some amount of yearly increase which I see, bit just for the hell of it, let's have a look now and see.

There are 2 distinct groups of staff at the club right now.

We have 11 staff on PT contracts ranging from £30 pw to £325 pw and then a 12 staff member on a PT contract but earning £725 pw.
We also have 6 backroom staff who are all on Amateur contracts. I saw this when responding to @erik45about staff personality, and just thought I would leave it as is for the time being to save money. I either didn't notice the £725 contract at the time or it's new since then. (He was recruited in July 2041 so he is new).

10 of the 12 PT staff have 25% promotion clause & 25% relegation clause, but 2 of the coaches don't.
Nobody has a yearly % increase.
The Ass Man on £725 looks decent but doesn't look way better than the others, but he was also the staff member recruited most recently so it could just be that he's the next level of coach that our new reputation has unlocked.

Don't get me wrong, I'm gutted that he's getting £725 pw and I'm getting nothing, but that's about my contract rather than his.

Even with the £725 wage I quite like him. I have a Continental C Licence and he is 1 of only 3 staff with a Continental A Licence, (which I think is the top), and the others are both GK Coaches. Not sure I see too much hugely wrong with the contracts, (other than mine)..... and the Amateur contracts but let's just ignore that for a little bit longer.

What do you think?

I'll tell you what I will do @BMLThere are quite a few staff who's contracts expire at the end of this season, 9 to be precise. You and @erik45can each select 1 of them that you want to get rid of, and I will provide you with a shortlist of replacements for you to choose from!

They're not as bad as I was expecting, maybe the 'wages inflation' is more on the playing side of things other than staff? Based on my own observations, when players stick at a club for a long time they tend to have overly inflated wages and I'm sure that this also translated to staff, something that was mostly evident when moving to a new club, especially at an elite level.

Continental Pro is the top level of qualification, so he's got some room to grow.

I really don't like the idea of paying a single staff member that much above everyone else unless he is clearly incredible and/or he's a MC or MP personality. but that might just be that I'm tight on staff wages and will happily haggle with them all over £10 p/w.

I'm not sure the benefit of having two AssMans, surely the second is just an expensive coach considering AssMans generally command a higher wage?

It's a shame your Fitness Coach isn't available for the chop, unless he's 15+ for fitness he'd be on the next train out of town.

BML · January 22

10 minutes ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

This guy gets my vote.

You've already highlighted the worst coach so I'll ignore him.

I'd actually be tempted to keep the 899 GK coach James Candlish over the Temperamental Jedi, despite the worse attributes - if keeping one coach I'd always prioritise the more well-rounded.

If he's your set piece coach, the £15 p/w AssMan should stay as that's excellent value despite his personality.

Jimbokav1971 · January 22

1 hour ago, BML said:

They're not as bad as I was expecting, maybe the 'wages inflation' is more on the playing side of things other than staff? Based on my own observations, when players stick at a club for a long time they tend to have overly inflated wages and I'm sure that this also translated to staff, something that was mostly evident when moving to a new club, especially at an elite level.

Continental Pro is the top level of qualification, so he's got some room to grow.

I really don't like the idea of paying a single staff member that much above everyone else unless he is clearly incredible and/or he's a MC or MP personality. but that might just be that I'm tight on staff wages and will happily haggle with them all over £10 p/w.

I'm not sure the benefit of having two AssMans, surely the second is just an expensive coach considering AssMans generally command a higher wage?

It's a shame your Fitness Coach isn't available for the chop, unless he's 15+ for fitness he'd be on the next train out of town.

Yeah, players are a different beast entirely and as a Youth Only manager I can absolutely confirm that you have to pay above the odds to get good players to stay. Everything has it's price, (including loyalty).

Yea you could be right about paying that 1 bloke too much or quite possibly paying the others too little and they are due a pay rise after being here for a while, but I really just can't be bothered getting into it yet. :lol:

I promise, if and when we get to the Premiership I will have a proper staff review.

I'm not even looking at the Fitness Coach. :stop:

What I would like is a Tactical Coach though. You mentioned that we have 2x Ass Man and I mentioned we have 2x GK Coach. Surely one of the replacements for them can be a Tactical specialist.

Jimbokav1971 · January 22

1 hour ago, BML said:

This guy gets my vote.

You've already highlighted the worst coach so I'll ignore him.

I'd actually be tempted to keep the 899 GK coach James Candlish over the Temperamental Jedi, despite the worse attributes - if keeping one coach I'd always prioritise the more well-rounded.

If he's your set piece coach, the £15 p/w AssMan should stay as that's excellent value despite his personality.

Mark McConnell is indeed rubbish so he gets the chop.

The old bloke who has been here for years, (can't remember his name), he needs to go too.

After a quick shufty, this is the 1st group that I would consider, but I think I will whittle it down a little more before showing you individual profiles.

There are 5 Coaches on the list who are aged in their 40 and 50's, so let's get rid of them and just pick from those in their 30's. That leaves us with 11 Coaches.

Because I'm looking for a Tactical Coach, let's get rid of anyone who's tactical knowledge is below 5.

Now let's get rid of everyone who's Tactical knowledge is below 5, (and I know this isn't linked specifically to the role but I often promote from within and this bloke might well be a future Ass Man and because of my use of the IR button, Tactical Knowledge becomes more important.

Lastly, because the average age is so low, (most of our 1st Team starting XI are still teenagers), I should really filter out anyone who is rubbish at WWY.

Who do you fancy out of these 3 @BML?

Jimbokav1971 · January 22

Mark McConnell had been offered a new contract by someone, (despite the fact that I'm in charge of that), so I withdrew the offer and terminated his contract.

Euan Dunn is the rubbish old bloke so I have terminated his contract too.

What I have noticed is that 1 of our Coaches has been capped by Scotland.

Leon King plays for Rangers in real life, but I've never heard of him. (Then again, but limited knowledge to Celtic and isn't even that great then).

Jimbokav1971 · January 22

Responsibilities. Apr 2042.

This is my proofage that I'm in charge of both signing new Coaches and also offering new contracts to existing Coaches.

Edited January 22 by Jimbokav1971

Jimbokav1971 · January 22

Apr 2042.

Scottish Championship. It's a really good month as we beat 2nd placed Falkirk, and were actually decent, (but still comfortably beaten), against Champions Livingston. We weren't battered though.

Records. Although he started the season very much as a 2nd Team player, (31j) Fullerton (Unamb) * now finds himself the clubs record league goal-scorer and 1st choice on the right of a front 3 after all the departures. Considering he came through our intake in 2030/31 while we were in Tier 7, he's pretty decent. He has been prolific since he scored 18 goals in the Lowland League in 2034/35, but he's plenty good enough for us, especially in that wide right position.

Board Takeover.

Club Vision.

Goal-scoring GK's.

(23) Brass (Bal) 6'2" is 5/8 from the spot at 63%. (Is no longer at the club).
(23) Ewing (Bal) 6'1" is 17/20 from the spot at 85%. (Is no longer at the club).
(25c) Christie (F.Sport) 6'1" is 46/52 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(26p) Marsh (CAN)(SCO) 5'10" is 15/17 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(30a) Ogilvie (Fickle) 6'2" * is 47/64 from the spot at 73%. (Is no longer at the club).
(31k) Lawrie (Unamb) * is 23/29 from the spot at 79%. (Is no longer at the club).
(33a) Black (Fickle) 6'0" * is 2/3 from the spot at 67%. (Is no longer at the club).
(37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" * is 15/29 from the spot at 52%.
(39c) Telfer (F.Pro) 6'2" * is 1/1 from the spot at 100%

Finances. We're in the red again.

I'll say it again. The better off our finances are, the more we seem to have to pay for our Youth Setup costs.

Mad Mull Jag · January 22

I was thinking about tour players and their places of birth.

Could this be down to your scouts and scouting range ? Small number of scouts that will work in a local(ish) area means they will only pick up players nearby ?

More scouts cover a wider area means more from a wider pool to recruit from.

Jimbokav1971 · January 22

4 minutes ago, Mad Mull Jag said:

I was thinking about tour players and their places of birth.

Could this be down to your scouts and scouting range ? Small number of scouts that will work in a local(ish) area means they will only pick up players nearby ?

More scouts cover a wider area means more from a wider pool to recruit from.

Yeah I think we considered that before and when I had money I employed scouts and set a Scouting range of the whole of Scotland to test it out. The response was absolutely no change.

The problem now is that we can't afford scouts and/or a scouting range so..... what we've got is what we've got. :lol:

In all seriousness though, while the thinking behind the idea seems sound, I don't think it actually has an impact, (or certainly didn't when I tried it before).

Mad Mull Jag · January 22

I actually had a look at my Scotish save and it doesnt

8 Years in 14 scouts worldwide range and only 4 our of 30 born outside Glasgow and 3 of them are within "Greater" Glasgow

Back to the drawing board. !!!

Jimbokav1971 · January 22

4 minutes ago, Mad Mull Jag said:

I actually had a look at my Scotish save and it doesnt

8 Years in 14 scouts worldwide range and only 4 our of 30 born outside Glasgow and 3 of them are within "Greater" Glasgow

Back to the drawing board. !!!

I had EXACTLY the same thought earlier in the save. It would make sense if it worked like that. It just doesn't. :lol:

Jimbokav1971 · January 22

May 2042.

Scottish Championship. I feel robbed. We led 2-0 after an hour and even still led 2-1 in the 89th min but still somehow lost to goals in the 90th and 90th+7 min. :seagull: Dunfermline are 3rd and are a proper good team. As a result of losing this game we drop from 5th to 7th and has cost us...... actually I'm not sure it's cost us any prize money at all.

I'm still pleased with the season overall, but I would have been ecstatic to have finished 5th. The gap between ourselves and St Mirren in the last Playoff spot is only 9 points, (compared to a 24 point gap last season). Got to be happy with that level of progress.

Goal-scoring GK's.

(23) Brass (Bal) 6'2" is 5/8 from the spot at 63%. (Is no longer at the club).
(23) Ewing (Bal) 6'1" is 17/20 from the spot at 85%. (Is no longer at the club).
(25c) Christie (F.Sport) 6'1" is 46/52 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(26p) Marsh (CAN)(SCO) 5'10" is 15/17 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(30a) Ogilvie (Fickle) 6'2" * is 47/64 from the spot at 73%. (Is no longer at the club).
(31k) Lawrie (Unamb) * is 23/29 from the spot at 79%. (Is no longer at the club).
(33a) Black (Fickle) 6'0" * is 2/3 from the spot at 67%. (Is no longer at the club).
(37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" * is 15/29 from the spot at 52%.
(39c) Telfer (F.Pro) 6'2" * is 2/2 from the spot at 100%.

Clauses. This isn't all the clauses. It's just the significant ones.

We've got 50% on (34b) Morrison (ENG) (Resil) *.

We've got 20% profit on (36a) Cunningham (IRL)(F.Det)*. (Signed for £1.2M). They are offering £46k for this clause which I'm obviously not accepting.

We've got 40% profit on (38a) Arthurs (NIR) (F.Det) *. (Signed for £50k).

We've got 40% profit on (39a) Banner (Bal) *. (Signed for £40k). In light of the valuation of these last 2 players, El Chieftain is not looking quite the eegit we originally thought him. Instead he's actually probably played a blinder if either of these get triggered. More likely we will just be given an offer for teh clause that we can't turn down.

We've got 30% profit on (41c) Hogarth (Res) 5'9" *. (Signed for £18k). Yeah, I think El Chieftain might just be a genius. :lol:

Supporter Profile. I don't often look at this page nevermind about posting it, but I clicked on it and the "Season Ticket Waiting List" caught my eye. I didn't know that was a thing in FM.

Club Vision. How on Earth can they be disappointed with my Youth Development? :seagull:

Are they disappointed or satisfied?

9 year contract, (if we get promoted). 3 year contract, +3 year option, +3 years if we get promoted. :cool:

Overall Best XI.

Commercial Summary.

Internationals.

Scouting. It seems a no-brainer to get the scouting going again for about £30k all in. It's a pittance compared to everything else.

Finances. Nice to see the budgets going up slightly rather than down significantly. I'm still a little reluctant to splash all the wage budget because of what has happened previously, but I think we're in a much stronger position now despite not having loads of money in the bank yet. We've got a few quid in the bank and a few clauses in the pipeline too. Things really are starting to look up.

Jimbokav1971 · January 22

Squad Stats. Jun 2042.

Squad by Appearances. It was a good season for (37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" * overall, but a poor one from the spot as he only managed to convert 8 of 12 pens at 67%,

Squad by Goals. Although he was in the 2nd Team for the 1st half of the season, (37i) Morrison (Pro) * still managed 16 goals for the season, (although only 11 in the league). He doesn't offer the aerial threat that we had with (36a) Cunningham (IRL)(F.Det)* before he left, but I'm still quite have with our strikers.

Squad by Assists. While (33b) Skrzyński (POL)(F.Pro) * isn't the attacking threat we're looking for on the right, he's a safe pair of hands there and does a job for us. With a proper WB they would be getting double the assists I think.

Squad by Avg Rating. I didn't show (39c) Telfer (F.Pro) 6'2" * because he only played 2 games, (although scored in both). I showed you (31j) Fullerton (Unamb) * recently when he beat our league goal-scoring record and (37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" * topped the appearances list so you saw him there. (33c) P.McCormack (Unamb) * really isn't that great, but his physical ability causes the opposition problems and he's great for us at the moment.

Squad by Youth Appearances. (We don't have a Senior Appearance yet). It's frustrating but (39d) Thijs (NED)(Bal) 5'11" * has already decided that he's leaving on a free. He's had the hump for ages about wanting to leave and I thought I would be able to sell him for a tiny fee with a 50% clause but I just couldn't get it done. In light of how El Chieftain has done with his early sales and now the fact that I can't get this one done and am losing him for nothing in 12 months El Chieftain is looking smarter and smarter by the minute.

Jimbokav1971 · January 22

Shortlist, (Top end). Jun 2042.

Jimbokav1971 · January 23

Squad Depth.

GK. We've got 2/3 decent GK's on our shortlist who might be better than what we have at the club, but between the big wages we would have to pay to bring them in and the fact that it would stunt the growth of our own GK's I think I will just continue on with what we have available.

1st Team GK. (37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" *
2nd Team GK. (39c) Telfer (F.Pro) 6'2" *
Loan. (40e) Qurbonov (UZB) (Res) *
Loan. (35d) McGinlay (IRL) (Unamb) *
U18's. (41h) Cairney (Unamb) 6'2" *
U18's. (42g) Niven (Bal) 5'11" *

DL. This isn't a strong area at all.

1st Team. (38d) McMullan (NIR) (Unamb) *
2nd Team. (41d) Dichev (BUL) (Bal) *
Loan. (40h) Marshall (Unamb)+(L.Det)
U18's. (42c) Ross (IRL) (L.Det)
U18's. (40h) Marshall (Unamb)+(L.Det)

DR.

1st Team. (33b) Skrzyński (POL)(F.Pro) *
2nd Team. (37d) Romanis (L.Heart) *
U18's. (42f) Johnstone (Unamb) *
U18's. (42d) Curran. (IRL) (Resil)
Sell/Release. (41m) Richter.(L.Det)(AUS) PPM
Sell/Release. (40p) Tomaszewski. (Bal)

DC. Losing (41c) Hogarth (Res) 5'9" * at just 16 years old was an enormous blow, but as you can see by his valuation at Celtic, it wasn't quite the madness we initially thought, (as long we the clause triggers or gets bought). It's made worse by the fact that we lost (34b) Morrison (ENG) (Resil) * the previous season and now (38p) Gordon (F.Det) 6'4" * is walking out the door on a free and (39d) Thijs (NED)(Bal) 5'11" * will be following him in 12 months time. We've been decimated at centre-half.

1st Team DLC. (41g) Thomson (F.Loyal) 6'1" *
1st Team DC. (39d) Thijs (NED)(Bal) 5'11" * Is leaving on a free in 12 months unless I can flog him for free + 50% before then.
1st Team DRC. (36e) Dickson (Unamb) 6'2" *

2nd Team DLC. (40i) Paterson (IRL) (Spirit)
2nd Team DC. (40c) Villanueva (PHI) (Res) *
2nd Team DRC. (40k) McKay (Bal) * 6'0"

Loan. (36g) Lomax (ENG)(F.Pro) 6'0"
Loan. (37l) Williams (TRI) (F.Pro)
Loan. (34e) Breslin. (F.Pro) 5'11"

U18's DLC.
U18's DC. (42l) Severin (Unamb) 5'10"
U18's DRC. (42m) Martin (Fickle) 5'9" *

Sell/Release. (38p) Gordon (F.Det) 6'4" * is leaving this Summer on a free.
Sell/Release. (39o) Urquhart. (Bal)
Sell/Release.

MC. I'm hoping to sign free agent (33d) Martin (Pro) * to play in the middle of the pitch.

1st Team MLC. (42b) Potter (F.Amb) *
1st Team MRC. (40b) Stewart (SCO)(IRL)(Pro)*

2nd Team MLC. (38i) Waddell (Res) *
2nd Team MRC. (40l) Robertson (F.Pro) *PPM

Loan. (36h) Stewart (Bal) MC *
Loan. (40f) Ellis.(SCO)(ENG)(Bal) MC

U18's MLC. (41l) Aitken (F.Amb) *
U18's MRC. (41i) Davidson (Bal) MC *
U18's. (42p) Donald (L.Det)
U18's. (42a) Pittman. (IRL) (Real)
U18's. (41n) Stevenson. (Fickle)

Sell/Release. (38f) Mason (L.Det)+(Unamb) *
Sell/Release. (41f) Redman. (Unamb)

SC.

1st Team SLC. (33c) P.McCormack (Unamb) *
1st Team SC. (37i) Morrison (Pro) *
1st Team SRC. (31j) Fullerton (Unamb) *

2nd Team SLC. (37c) Brass (F.Sport) *PPM
2nd Team SC. (41b) Gourley (NIR) (F.Det) *
2nd Team SRC. (40a) Brass (F.Pro) *

Loan. (37j) Hanley (IRL) (Fickle)
Loan. (38g) Reid (L.SB) *
Loan. (39i) Shaw (Bal) * PPM
Loan. (39b) Christie (L.Det) PPM
Loan. (41e) Dick (Unamb) PPM

U18's SLC. (40g) Paterson (IRL) (F.Pro) * & (41e) Dick (Unamb) PPM
U18's SC. (39f) Foth6 (IRL) (F.Det) * & (40d) Gallagher(IRL)(L.Det)PPM
U18's SRC. (40o) Banner (F.Amb) *PPM

Sell/Release. (38j) Niven. (Unamb) SELL

Jimbokav1971 · January 23

Jun 2042.

Reputation. Wow! :eek: Celtic are now 3rd behind Aberdeen. How the mighty have fallen.

erik45 · January 23

14 hours ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

Mark McConnell had been offered a new contract by someone, (despite the fact that I'm in charge of that), so I withdrew the offer and terminated his contract.

Euan Dunn is the rubbish old bloke so I have terminated his contract too.

What I have noticed is that 1 of our Coaches has been capped by Scotland.

Leon King plays for Rangers in real life, but I've never heard of him. (Then again, but limited knowledge to Celtic and isn't even that great then).

I'm late to the party, but you and @BML made the choices I would've made as well! I maybe could've chosen McKenzie over King as a new coach, but that just my bias towards coaches that doesn't have good coaching badges, which might be a bit unintuitive My youth only(ish) style of playing is not only about the players, but also about the staff. I prefer coaches with no badges (or national level badges) as they have more room for development.

BML · January 23

15 hours ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

Who do you fancy out of these 3 @BML?

Sorry for the delay, you've probably made your choice by now, but this guy, Jay, of the three would be the one for me.

Unless he gets a big stat pop from the ContPro licence he's working on, he won't make the 'best' future AssMan but he's the best Tact/WWY coach and his personality is a mostly positive one (as we've discussed before in this thread).

I didn't even consider the middle guy, I just cannot bring myself to hire anyone (staff or player) who doesn't have an in-game face!

Jimbokav1971 · January 23

35 minutes ago, BML said:

Sorry for the delay, you've probably made your choice by now, but this guy, Jay, of the three would be the one for me.

Unless he gets a big stat pop from the ContPro licence he's working on, he won't make the 'best' future AssMan but he's the best Tact/WWY coach and his personality is a mostly positive one (as we've discussed before in this thread).

I didn't even consider the middle guy, I just cannot bring myself to hire anyone (staff or player) who doesn't have an in-game face!

I knew you would pick him, (so left a gap) and I didn't think that @erik45would get back to me in time so I picked Blair McKenzie for him.

I have signed Verlaque now and it means our Staff looks like this.

I like young Coaches who can grow and improve as we develop as a club.

Other than the Amateur contracts which I will deal with once our finances are healthier, there are still a few that jump out at me as needing to be replaced.

I quite liked McAvoy 523 (F.Pro) when I signed us, (and the players coming through have been good, especially the forwards), but ever since the post by @TIR669his WWY attribute keeps catching my eye and it's become impossible to ignore it now. If I can find a decent replacement with a good personality and a similar preferred formation, but with better WWY then I will make the swap at the end of this season.

The next one that jumps out is Souttar (L.Det) Fit because of his L.Det and that's obviously an easy fix, (because I don't care about formation). His contract also expires at the end of this season so I will do the deed then.

The last one I would probably bin is the 2nd GK Coach Hammell (Temp) GK simply because of his Temp personality.

For the time being I'm happy with everyone else. :thup:

Jimbokav1971 · January 23

Jul 2042.

Friendlies. The Hibs friendly was because of a player sale clause. :thup:

Season Preview. It's still going to be really tough to break into the Top 5, but we finished last season strongly so you never know.

League Cup. (Premier Sports Cup). At some point I'm going to start taking this competition seriously, (maybe), but at the moment it's just being used as a group of friendlies. Just 1 loss (if we ignore the losses on pens),

Debuts.

Transfers.

There is just too much competition for places in the wide positions up front and I just couldn't see how this bloke was ever going to play for us so it made sense to accept this offer because they included a 25% clause.

Goal-scoring GK's.

(23) Brass (Bal) 6'2" is 5/8 from the spot at 63%. (Is no longer at the club).
(23) Ewing (Bal) 6'1" is 17/20 from the spot at 85%. (Is no longer at the club).
(25c) Christie (F.Sport) 6'1" is 46/52 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(26p) Marsh (CAN)(SCO) 5'10" is 15/17 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(30a) Ogilvie (Fickle) 6'2" * is 47/64 from the spot at 73%. (Is no longer at the club).
(31k) Lawrie (Unamb) * is 23/29 from the spot at 79%. (Is no longer at the club).
(33a) Black (Fickle) 6'0" * is 2/3 from the spot at 67%. (Is no longer at the club).
(37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" * is 15/29 from the spot at 52%.
(39c) Telfer (F.Pro) 6'2" * is 2/2 from the spot at 100%

Finances. We're in the red again. It's tough over the close season with no games and it's pot-luck as to who you get in the League Cup and if they have decent support. Of course I have to balance up easier friendlies to keep morale up and easier friendlies mean low gate receipts.

Jimbokav1971 · January 23

2 hours ago, erik45 said:

I'm late to the party, but you and @BML made the choices I would've made as well! I maybe could've chosen McKenzie over King as a new coach, but that just my bias towards coaches that doesn't have good coaching badges, which might be a bit unintuitive My youth only(ish) style of playing is not only about the players, but also about the staff. I prefer coaches with no badges (or national level badges) as they have more room for development.

McKenzie was my/your choice so he's here now, but I knew @BMLwould choose the bloke with the stupid French name.

King was already here and I was just showing him because I noticed he was a real player who had been capped by Scotland.

So it worked out great and I anticipated the 2 Coaches we needed to sign. :applause:

Jimbokav1971 · January 23

Aug 2042.

Scottish Championship. It was a strange old month, but overall the performances, (if not the results), were really good. We started with a tough away trip to St Mirren, and I have to admit they could have won by more, but then again they're expected to. We were competitive though. The 2nd game saw the 2nd Team pull off an amazing shock, (at least to me), as they completely outplayed Montrose and we should have won by more, (hitting the woodwork on 3 occasions). Brilliant performance and result. The 3rd game was tough as the 1st Team played really well against Raith Rovers. We dominated the ball but couldn't score and that came back to bite us. The Falkirk game was mental. We led 2-0 after 87 mins despite having a goal ruled out, but the final few minutes were absolutely completely backs to the wall stuff and in the end I was happy to get a point because they were battering us in injury-time. 7 points would have been better, but 4 points is a decent start.

Debuts.

Season Tickets. Any progress is better than no progress right?

Transfers. I've been really intrigued by the way that El Chieftain has sold players early for really low fees, but with significant sell-on clauses in this save. It's always happened a little, but this seems to be taken to extremes, (possibly linked to our Semi-Pro status). We've also lost too many players on a free and I've been looking at how I can follow the Directors lead and maybe sell players for really nominal fees but with big sell-on clauses and see if it's worth losing them for the last year of their contract. I didn't actually want to sell either of (40k) McKay (Bal) * 6'0" SELL & (39d) Thijs (NED)(Bal) 5'11" *, but if they tell you they want to leave, only have 12 months left on their contract, have no intention of signing a new contract and there are no options in place to trigger then you either play them until they leave of you play the long game and let them go now in the hope that their 50% re-sale clause might come up big. There's an obvious problem in doing this that they're both centre-backs, but we're just going to have to suck it up and cope without them. Short term pain for long term gain is the saying, (or something like that).

(39i) Shaw (Bal) * PPM was sold because although he had 5.0 PA at some point, he was so far down the pecking order now that I couldn't even seeing him playing for the 2nd Team. They wanted him and I didn't so it made sense to do a deal.

(40k) McKay (Bal) * 6'0" SELL looks pretty ropey, but you have to remember that we are pretty ropey at the back and he actually did quite well at the end of last season. He doesn't want to stay though so getting rid and getting a decent sized friendly out of it + keeping 50% of his resale value seems like a good deal all round. Yeah we only got £500 bot him, but whether it's free, £1, £1,000, or £10,000 really doesn't matter. Any money we make out of him, (probably not if I'm being completely honest), will come from his 50% clause.

Wow wow wow. :eek: You see this is EXACTLY what I was talking about. I had just decided to keep him and let him play our his final year before losing him on a free, but after looking at all the recent clauses and the valuations of the players after leaving I just thought this might be worth something. Most of the clubs in for him were Premiership, (not Old Firm), and he was 1st choice for us after all so he wasn't rubbish, but the bids I was getting for this bloke were literally £0 and £1,000. Every single interested club pulled out when I tried to sell him for £1,000 + 50% so I dropped it to £0 + 50% + a friendly and Hearts & 1 other club stayed hooked. It will be interesting to see what I get out of the friendly on it's own. He's now worth £1.4M - £2.8M and yeah I know some of this value will be in his wages and length of contract, (3 year deal), plus he's jumped up a league, but this is a player that I was struggling to sell for £1,000 now valued at £1M+ all because they are a Pro club and we're Semi-Pro. This deal was done by me, but the strategy behind it was all down to El Chieftain.

ps. Yes I know he's not actually very good, but that's the level we're at. He was a starter in the 1st Team! :lol:

Goal-scoring GK's.

(23) Brass (Bal) 6'2" is 5/8 from the spot at 63%. (Is no longer at the club).
(23) Ewing (Bal) 6'1" is 17/20 from the spot at 85%. (Is no longer at the club).
(25c) Christie (F.Sport) 6'1" is 46/52 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(26p) Marsh (CAN)(SCO) 5'10" is 15/17 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(30a) Ogilvie (Fickle) 6'2" * is 47/64 from the spot at 73%. (Is no longer at the club).
(31k) Lawrie (Unamb) * is 23/29 from the spot at 79%. (Is no longer at the club).
(33a) Black (Fickle) 6'0" * is 2/3 from the spot at 67%. (Is no longer at the club).
(37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" * is 15/29 from the spot at 52%.
(39c) Telfer (F.Pro) 6'2" * is 2/2 from the spot at 100%.

Finances. We're still running at a loss. It's not huge, but it's enough to get us back in the red after 1 month of not playing and then choosing to play smaller friendlies for fitness and morale rather than income.

Jimbokav1971 · January 23

Sep 2042. Clauses.

I've been searching for a better way to communicate what clauses we have outstanding on players, (just the resale/profit clauses), and I've come up with this to make it easier.

It's not easy to work out the value of the clause when there is a range of valuation involved, so what I have done is taken the mid-point between the low value and the high value and used that as an average. These are very rough figures anyway, but it at least gives us an indication of how much we might expect to receive for the clause, (IF it is triggered of course). It also gives me something to use as a comparison when I am offered an option to sell the clause.

We've got some pretty big figures in there already, but of course this isn't money yet. It's just potential money. I would obviously love for 1 of the big one's to come in, but we will just have to wait and see, (and keep adding to them of course). We're going to have to keep doing this in order to achieve anything in this save. There is still a LONG way to go.

Jimbokav1971 · January 23

Sep 2042.

Scottish Championship. The 2nd Team struggled against Partick Thistle and might have deserved a draw, but were denied even that late on. The 1st Team showed them how it is done with a convincing performance against Arbroath that should have been even more comfortable than the 4-2 scoreline suggests. The 2nd Team were then really good against Queens Park, but couldn't put the ball in the net, (again), and came up slightly short despite a good performance. The 1st team then dished out the performance of the season so far as they absolutely smashed table-topping, (and previously unbeaten), Dunfermline. We were really good and that's the sort of level the 1st Team need to produce consistently. All in all a good month, but with a little more luck and some better finishing by the 2nd team we would have had more than the 6 points.

Challenge Cup. (SPFL Trust Trophy). I'm not taking this competition too seriously because it's just not a priority.

(The opposition are 3 leagues below us in the Lowland League). A comfortable win by the 2nd Team.

Debuts.

Internationals.

Goal-scoring GK's. 1st goal of the season for (37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" *.

(23) Brass (Bal) 6'2" is 5/8 from the spot at 63%. (Is no longer at the club).
(23) Ewing (Bal) 6'1" is 17/20 from the spot at 85%. (Is no longer at the club).
(25c) Christie (F.Sport) 6'1" is 46/52 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(26p) Marsh (CAN)(SCO) 5'10" is 15/17 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(30a) Ogilvie (Fickle) 6'2" * is 47/64 from the spot at 73%. (Is no longer at the club).
(31k) Lawrie (Unamb) * is 23/29 from the spot at 79%. (Is no longer at the club).
(33a) Black (Fickle) 6'0" * is 2/3 from the spot at 67%. (Is no longer at the club).
(37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" * is 16/30 from the spot at 53%.
(39c) Telfer (F.Pro) 6'2" * is 2/2 from the spot at 100%

Finances.

TIR669 · January 23

I don't remember what foreign leagues you have loaded, but a lot more transfer market activity happens when the league is fully active. I'd suggest loading at least those where you have ex-players (so just Serie A more or less). Curious what ever happened to that guy you sold to Bolton, then deactivated English Championship? Did he disappear?

Its obvious now you need the pro status for stability. In order to do that, you also need a stable income, which is impossible right now unfortunately. I'd maybe suggest triggering ALL of your sell-on clauses at once, near end of season, and once you get the full TV money, placement and Scottish cup award money, hope you have enough to get a professional status? For sure I'd try that at the end of this season. You should be at or above 2-3 million at that point, and would use whatever you can from the dialogue options to get it. Doubt you'll ever see those inflated clause values just because...well, they never actually go for that amount. Even historically, I never saw you get any solid income from a transfer, they're always you buying out the clause.

Good luck in the league too of course but honestly I don't see anything changing until you have a proper golden generation that doesn't get insta-sold...

Jimbokav1971 · January 23

2 hours ago, TIR669 said:

I don't remember what foreign leagues you have loaded, but a lot more transfer market activity happens when the league is fully active. I'd suggest loading at least those where you have ex-players (so just Serie A more or less). Curious what ever happened to that guy you sold to Bolton, then deactivated English Championship? Did he disappear?

I has the top 2 leagues in Germany, Italy and Spain loaded last season by accident, and removed the 2nd tier in each Nation. I think I had possibly the top 4-5 in England, (again by accident), but just down to the top league there now too.

Thought about Portugal & France but just couldn't be bothered. I initially added these extra leagues in the hope that it would fix what I though was an ailing transfer system, but there was nothing wrong with the transfer system, (I would have seen that if I had looked), and instead it was all down to our Semi-Pro status.

No, the Bolton guy is still knocking about and I tried to sign him in the Summer but he wanted almost £3k per week.

He's now at Millwall in League 1 (and they're paying him £3,800 per week).

We've actually produced quite a few players who are playing at a decent level, (although it should be said that some of them might be "at" the level, but not "playing" at the level). When you consider where we've come from, that's pretty impressive actually. Can't wait until we have some cash in the bank so I can start scouting our old players again.

Jimbokav1971 · January 23

3 hours ago, TIR669 said:

Its obvious now you need the pro status for stability. In order to do that, you also need a stable income, which is impossible right now unfortunately. I'd maybe suggest triggering ALL of your sell-on clauses at once, near end of season, and once you get the full TV money, placement and Scottish cup award money, hope you have enough to get a professional status? For sure I'd try that at the end of this season. You should be at or above 2-3 million at that point, and would use whatever you can from the dialogue options to get it. Doubt you'll ever see those inflated clause values just because...well, they never actually go for that amount. Even historically, I never saw you get any solid income from a transfer, they're always you buying out the clause.

I'm much more positive than you. I think we've made loads of little steps in the right direction and although we're a bit more short of solvent than I hoped, it's a WAY better position than requiring the Board to invest funds just to keep your head above water.

Part of the problem this season, (I think), is that our attendances haven't been what they were last season. That's not actually down to our own attendances and is actually down to the clubs that were promoted last season, (Livingston), and missing out on games against them. They have almost 9,000 season ticket holders so their travelling contingent is obviously pretty big and they have been replaced with Queens Park who have approx 2k less season ticket holders.

Queens Park are averaging 9,846 this season.
Livingston averaged 13,333 last season.

We play 2 games against them and obviously it's s significant difference in terms of income.

If I look at who has been relegated.... it was Brechin & Clyde.

Brechin averaged 5,933 last season.
Clyde averaged 2,666 last season.

Now let's see who they have been replaced with.

Arbroath are averaging 4,211 this season.
Queen of the South are averaging 3,458 this season.

Off the top of my head that's a shortfall of approx 4,800 per game this season just based on the promoted/relegated teams. I know that these numbers won't impact us as much because the away support will be lower, but it will still be significant.

This is our overall Gate Receipts income graph and you will see I have been posting it each month because I have been keeping an eye on it.

1st let me show you the period for last season, and then I'm going to leave a gap and show you this season.

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Do you see what I mean?

We're playing in the same league and our attendances have been reduced by approx 33%.

In any case I'm completely relaxed about the finances now, (where as I wasn't relaxed at all when El Chieftain had to keep injecting cash).

We don't need cash in all our clauses to clear our debt and set us up financially. We just need 1 of them to trigger. The "value" of the clauses here aren't "inflated" at all. I've used the average point of the valuation to range to create it. Not only will they go for that amount they will go for bigger. I promise you!

None of the big value players are wanted by anyone, but I think there is a fair to middling chance that I will make £5M out of each of (38a) Arthurs (NIR) (F.Det) *, (38a) Arthurs (NIR) (F.Det) * & (41c) Hogarth (Res) 5'9" *, and I think there's a fair chance that one of them might go big and generate £10M+ for us.

I can't remember how much I cashed in the (34a) McGrandles (F.Det) * clause for, (but will go back and check in a minute). I think it was either £1.5M but not 100% positive. Had I held out for longer I would have been offered more for the clause as the player value rose.

I've just checked and we got £1.6M for the (34a) McGrandles (F.Det) * clause, but that was for only a 15% profit clause remember. We've got 2x 40%'s profit and a 30% profit.

He was valued at £14.5M - £23M at the time and if I was taking the mid-point in that range I would have used about £19.75M.

15% of £19.75M = approx £2.9M and we got sold it for £1.6M.

But we sold the clause when he was still a teenager. He's 24 now, (still at the same club), and his valuation isn't completely different, (£16-£25M), but we would get far more for the clause now.

Anyway, I guess we will just have to wait and see.

You're right that we can't rely on getting a lump sum direct from a transfer, although we did sell (36a) Cunningham (IRL)(F.Det)* for £1.2M (£1.5M). I think those deals will be very much the exception while we're a Semi Pro club.

The other thing is, we've got 3 big clauses still in play right now, (and a few smaller ones). We only need 1 of these to drop big and we're laughing.

It would be interesting to see what other people think. What sort of offer do you think we're going to get for the clauses?

The problem I see for example is that I have a sneaking suspicion that Celtic don't have much cash and as such might not be able to afford to buy their clause off me.
I doubt Hibs will have the money either.
Salernitana might be different but who knows.
Aberdeen are ranked above Celtic by Rep, (so I'm assuming they are doing well in Europe), and because of this they were financially able to pay cash for a clause like this.

I guess we will find out soon. :thup:

Jimbokav1971 · January 23

Oct 2042.

Scottish Championship. We're in decent form, but we're still leaving points out there that are there for the taking. We could be in 2nd if we'd got the points we deserved this month.

Friendlies. We have a friendly this month with Hearts, (because of a clause included in a player sale), so I thought I would see exactly how much a friendly like this is worth to the club.

At 08:00 on 4th Oct, our bank balance was

At 17:00 on 4th Oct, our bank balance was

So the profit from the match was approx £31k from at attendance of 3,622. It's really not that much.

Goal-scoring GK's. (39c) Telfer (F.Pro) 6'2" * scores 1 pen from 2 taken this month.

(23) Brass (Bal) 6'2" is 5/8 from the spot at 63%. (Is no longer at the club).
(23) Ewing (Bal) 6'1" is 17/20 from the spot at 85%. (Is no longer at the club).
(25c) Christie (F.Sport) 6'1" is 46/52 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(26p) Marsh (CAN)(SCO) 5'10" is 15/17 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(30a) Ogilvie (Fickle) 6'2" * is 47/64 from the spot at 73%. (Is no longer at the club).
(31k) Lawrie (Unamb) * is 23/29 from the spot at 79%. (Is no longer at the club).
(33a) Black (Fickle) 6'0" * is 2/3 from the spot at 67%. (Is no longer at the club).
(37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" * is 16/30 from the spot at 53%.
(39c) Telfer (F.Pro) 6'2" * is 3/4 from the spot at 75%.

Finances.

Jimbokav1971 · January 24

Nov 2042.

Scottish Championship. It's an ok month and we're up to 3rd, but we should have beaten bottom of the table Arbroath and 8th placed Queen of the South, and we were a little unlucky not to draw against league leaders Dunfermline. Still, we're playing well and we've never been this high at this stage of the season before.

Internationals.

Goal-scoring GK's. 1 successful pen each from 1 attempt each from (37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" * & (39c) Telfer (F.Pro) 6'2" *.

(23) Brass (Bal) 6'2" is 5/8 from the spot at 63%. (Is no longer at the club).
(23) Ewing (Bal) 6'1" is 17/20 from the spot at 85%. (Is no longer at the club).
(25c) Christie (F.Sport) 6'1" is 46/52 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(26p) Marsh (CAN)(SCO) 5'10" is 15/17 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(30a) Ogilvie (Fickle) 6'2" * is 47/64 from the spot at 73%. (Is no longer at the club).
(31k) Lawrie (Unamb) * is 23/29 from the spot at 79%. (Is no longer at the club).
(33a) Black (Fickle) 6'0" * is 2/3 from the spot at 67%. (Is no longer at the club).
(37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" * is 17/31 from the spot at 55%.
(39c) Telfer (F.Pro) 6'2" * is 4/5 from the spot at 80%.

Finances.

Jimbokav1971 · January 24

Dec 2042.

Scottish Championship. Falkirk did it to us again. After scoring 2 late goals to draw with us in the last game, they score goals in the 87th and 88th min to snatch yet more points from us. We were poor against St Mirren, (they steam-rollered us), and then we bounced back well by thumping Montrose.

Challenge Cup. (SPFL Trust Trophy).

(The opposition are 1 leagues below us).

Goal-scoring GK's. (42g) Niven (Bal) 5'11" * is 1/1 this month.

(23) Brass (Bal) 6'2" is 5/8 from the spot at 63%. (Is no longer at the club).
(23) Ewing (Bal) 6'1" is 17/20 from the spot at 85%. (Is no longer at the club).
(25c) Christie (F.Sport) 6'1" is 46/52 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(26p) Marsh (CAN)(SCO) 5'10" is 15/17 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(30a) Ogilvie (Fickle) 6'2" * is 47/64 from the spot at 73%. (Is no longer at the club).
(31k) Lawrie (Unamb) * is 23/29 from the spot at 79%. (Is no longer at the club).
(33a) Black (Fickle) 6'0" * is 2/3 from the spot at 67%. (Is no longer at the club).
(37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" * is 18/32 from the spot at 56%.
(39c) Telfer (F.Pro) 6'2" * is 4/5 from the spot at 80%.

Finances.

TIR669 · January 24

9 hours ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

He was valued at £14.5M - £23M at the time and if I was taking the mid-point in that range I would have used about £19.75M.

15% of £19.75M = approx £2.9M and we got sold it for £1.6M.

But we sold the clause when he was still a teenager. He's 24 now, (still at the same club), and his valuation isn't completely different, (£16-£25M), but we would get far more for the clause now.

This is what worries me. OK I don't recall how many seasons ago you bought out the clause, but whether he was/is worth 500k or 100 million, until now only way to get anything worth was if his club has enough money to sell you the clause. To me only realistic way looks to be to pray someone buys one of them which should most likely boost you to professional. Because up until now I didn't see much activity. I'm afraid they're just overvalued & foreign clubs won't ever pay the 10+ million for them. E.g. Morrison, Cunningham, Arthurs, Banner, Hogarth -> are they playing in the first team at all? Or just stuck in U21/reserves squad?

On another note, love you're top 4 again (finally), also looks like the league got a bit more weaker with Livingston & Queens Park.

Jimbokav1971 · January 24

Jan 2043.

Scottish Championship. We;re 3rd in the league and doing well but we're missing opportunities that we should be taking. We should have beaten both Raith Rovers and Partick Thistle, but we couldn't convert our chances and both games ended in nil-nils. We've dropped so many points and are still in 3rd, but we should be top of the table. There are 10 games still to play and literally anything could happen between now and the end of the season.

Scottish Cup. (The Big one). Ayr are 7th in League 2 and we should be able to beat them comfortably.

(The opposition are 4 leagues below us). A really good win.

Challenge Cup. (SPFL Trust Trophy).

(The opposition are in our league).

Clauses. After my recent conversation with @TIR669I thought I would give you some more regular updates on the clauses and how much we have been offered to sell them.

Nothing worth considering yet.

Goal-scoring GK's. 3 goals from 4 pens this month for (37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" *.

(23) Brass (Bal) 6'2" is 5/8 from the spot at 63%. (Is no longer at the club).
(23) Ewing (Bal) 6'1" is 17/20 from the spot at 85%. (Is no longer at the club).
(25c) Christie (F.Sport) 6'1" is 46/52 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(26p) Marsh (CAN)(SCO) 5'10" is 15/17 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(30a) Ogilvie (Fickle) 6'2" * is 47/64 from the spot at 73%. (Is no longer at the club).
(31k) Lawrie (Unamb) * is 23/29 from the spot at 79%. (Is no longer at the club).
(33a) Black (Fickle) 6'0" * is 2/3 from the spot at 67%. (Is no longer at the club).
(37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" * is 21/36 from the spot at 58%.
(39c) Telfer (F.Pro) 6'2" * is 4/5 from the spot at 80%.

Finances.

Jimbokav1971 · January 24

2 hours ago, TIR669 said:

This is what worries me. OK I don't recall how many seasons ago you bought out the clause, but whether he was/is worth 500k or 100 million, until now only way to get anything worth was if his club has enough money to sell you the clause. To me only realistic way looks to be to pray someone buys one of them which should most likely boost you to professional. Because up until now I didn't see much activity. I'm afraid they're just overvalued & foreign clubs won't ever pay the 10+ million for them. E.g. Morrison, Cunningham, Arthurs, Banner, Hogarth -> are they playing in the first team at all? Or just stuck in U21/reserves squad?

On another note, love you're top 4 again (finally), also looks like the league got a bit more weaker with Livingston & Queens Park.

You could be right. The truth is I don't know for sure because I don't know how good they are. Part of what leans me in this direction though is the small database I'm using, (and now I'm regretting loading up the new leagues, but am just going to leave it as is). :lol:

This is what my clauses sheet looks like at the moment, and you will see that I have added in a new column, (clauses sold), and also included the historic clause for (34a) McGrandles (F.Det) * that we sold for £1.64M. I've also added the clauses that have selling options available right now.

How I see it in my head is that there are different tiers of clauses. We have really big clauses such as (38a) Arthurs (NIR) (F.Det) *, (39a) Banner (Bal) * & (41c) Hogarth (Res) 5'9" *, and middling level clauses such as (34b) Morrison (ENG) (Resil) * & (39d) Thijs (NED)(Bal) 5'11" *, and then piddly little clauses that really don't amount to much of anything at all.

I don't want to cash in on then big clauses if I can help it, because they are save-changing.
At the same time we're running at a loss and we are going to need to sell some of them to keep us going, and that's where the middling level clauses come in.
Then we have the smaller clauses and it really doesn't matter what we do with them.

The new addition to the clauses available to sell from last month is the £793k for (39d) Thijs (NED)(Bal) 5'11" *. He is the bloke that I was struggling to sell for £1,000 going into the last year of his contract. I feel like this is a freebie because it was really just a bit of a punt, so I'm going to cash that in this month and that's going to clear most of our debt again. At the same time it's going to leave the other more valuable clauses intact.

In terms of whether players are playing or not....

24 year old (34b) Morrison (ENG) (Resil) * has made 21 senior appearances for Sampdoria this season.
22 year old (36a) Cunningham (IRL)(F.Det)* has made 0(1) senior appearance for Frosinone and has been loaned out to Serie B Bari where he has made 25 appearances scoring 2 goals.
20 year old (38a) Arthurs (NIR) (F.Det) * has made 13(5) appearances for Celtic, scoring 1 goal and creating 5 assists, as well as making his International debut.
19 year old (39a) Banner (Bal) * has made 1(1) appearances for Salernitana, scoring 1 goal.
20 year old (39d) Thijs (NED)(Bal) 5'11" * has made 5(3) appearances for Hearts, providing 2 assists.
17 year old (41c) Hogarth (Res) 5'9" * has made 1(2) appearances for Hibs this season.

I think some of the playing time isn't ideal, particularly (36a) Cunningham (IRL)(F.Det)*, but he's very much the exception for the amount of gametime you would expect based on the player age.

The other thing I would say, (and I meant to say this in my earlier post), is that it isn't really an either/or situation here. The only outcomes are not to either sell the player or keep the player forever, because FM just doesn't work like that anymore. I recently commented that I'm been able to secure some players to potential 9 year deals, (initial 3 year contract +3 year option +3 years after promotion), so ignoring the fact that we have to actually get promoted to the Premiership to trigger these extensions, we're ignoring the fact that we're a Semi-Pro club who is largely paying players between £100 - £300 per week, (with 1 single player being paid £500 per week and nobody being paid more).

If I look at the league table and select the club directly below us in the league, (Falkirk), then this is what their screen looks like.

You might notice that their top earner is one of our Academy products. He's earning £15,250 per week. Our whole wage spend is £4,930 per week. We can pay every player at our club for 3 weeks and still have chance out of this 1 players salary for a week. No wonder players who stay with us will become unhappy.

So even if the Chairman doesn't actively get involved and accept bids like he has done, (and I'm completely coming round to his way of thinking), how do we think our players are going to feel if we keep declining bids and keeping them here earning a pittance. Yeah you can do it for a while, but at some point you have to move them on or they just don't perform and an unhappy squad is a nightmare to manage.

3 of our brightest prospects have already got the hump because we're declining bids for them, (and the transfer window closes tomorrow), but I can't just keep them forever. Sooner or later I'm going to have to move them on anyway, (for whatever I can get for them), so the key here is keeping them performing at a decent level for as long as possible, while also ensuring they are sold, (at least for potential clauses), that might bring in a little win further down the line. The idea that we can just say "no no no no no no no" to all the bids and keep them here just doesn't work. There has to be a balance.

If we look at the 3 unhappy players here, I don't want to lose any of them in this window, (or in the Summer), but the time is coming when I have to let them go.

The plan isn't just to let them go and that's that though. The plan is to let them go when we have the next player in their position who can step in and replace them, and then their sale money & clauses go into the kitty.

I'm feeling REALLY positive about things now, (big change from 18 months ago), and I think it's just a matter of time before 1 of the clauses is met.

We also could even sneak our way into the Premiership as a Semi-Pro club. :cool:

Edited January 24 by Jimbokav1971

Jimbokav1971 · January 24

Feb 2043.

Scottish Championship. Just the 1 league game this month. The performance was ok, but we couldn't take our chances, (in the absence of our 1st choice central striker), and paid the price for our profligacy. We've dropped 12 points in our last 6 league games. We also happen to be 12 points off the top.

Scottish Cup. (The Big one). We've been drawn against Hibs in the next round which probably means the end of the road, but on the plus side we should earn a few quid out of it because they usually have about 30,000 at each of their home games. It was indeed the end of the road.

(The opposition are 2 leagues below us in League 2). A dominant performance.

(The opposition are top of the Premiership, 1 league above us). We did pretty well, but they're a good side and their class told.

Clauses. As well as clearing most of our debt, a driving factor behind me selling the (39d) Thijs (NED)(Bal) 5'11" * clause is that it might just keep El Chieftain away from our transfer bids today when the window closes and we get a gazillion bids. I really want to try and get through the window today without losing anyone else because I think we have a small chance of promotion via the Playoffs. we got through it without losing anyone else and the biggest bid received was approx £50k (plus big % add-ons).

Red means that the clause is no longer available.
Green highlights the more valuable clauses.
Yellow indicates that a clause has been sold.
Blue means the an offer has been made for the clause.
Dark Blue means that the clause was triggered.

Goal-scoring GK's. Nothing this month.

(23) Brass (Bal) 6'2" is 5/8 from the spot at 63%. (Is no longer at the club).
(23) Ewing (Bal) 6'1" is 17/20 from the spot at 85%. (Is no longer at the club).
(25c) Christie (F.Sport) 6'1" is 46/52 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(26p) Marsh (CAN)(SCO) 5'10" is 15/17 from the spot at 88%. (Is no longer at the club).
(30a) Ogilvie (Fickle) 6'2" * is 47/64 from the spot at 73%. (Is no longer at the club).
(31k) Lawrie (Unamb) * is 23/29 from the spot at 79%. (Is no longer at the club).
(33a) Black (Fickle) 6'0" * is 2/3 from the spot at 67%. (Is no longer at the club).
(37b) Niven (F.Loyal) 6'4" * is 21/36 from the spot at 58%.
(39c) Telfer (F.Pro) 6'2" * is 4/5 from the spot at 80%.

Finances. And just like that, we have money in the bank, (at least for a while).

This sort of thing should be a regular occurrence, (even if we do lose). You can see that it's not regular at all.

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