4231 and help getting certain players involved

[a1fie7]

Hello, asking for some tactical advice with my 4-2-3-1, primarily with my instructions in conjunction with me trying to get my striker involved in the game more.

Marcus Leonardo only had 18 goals in all competitions, less then Rashford and Gonçalves, and even with those 18 goals he only averaged a 6.96 all year, which to me implies that if he's not scoring, he's not impacting the game in any way to earn a high rating. I had Gonçalves as a Shadow Striker last year which leads me to think he was getting in roughly the same positions as Leonardo meaning the 18 goals was because they were occupying the same place. The reason I had Gonçalves as a Shadow Striker however is because if i didn't there's a high chance Leonardo wouldn't impact a game, leading to Rashford being the only goal threat.

My tactic relies on the front 5 in attack being from left to right;

Udogie, Rashford, Leonardo, Gonçalves, Sancho.

With Caicedo providing cover on the left for Udogie's runs, and Bellingham being a late arrival into the box if needed.

I was just wondering if anyone has any suggestions to help, be it to do with the Leonardo problem or anything to do with how I set my team up along with instructions. In past years I was the type to use a downloaded tactic so this year i'm trying to use my own.

 

[Johnny Ace]

3 hours ago, a1fie7 said:

I was just wondering if anyone has any suggestions to help, be it to do with the Leonardo problem or anything to do with how I set my team up along with instructions. In past years I was the type to use a downloaded tactic so this year i'm trying to use my own.

 

Good on you  I could see why a Shadow Striker might impact your striker, though I used that combo a lot in FM22  Is this the new tactic with the Attacking Midfielder on Support? An AM and AF should be a fine combination 

I think your roles and duties look good, I'd maybe just have the right Wing Back on Support but see how it plays out on Defend.

You could even change Sancho to Support too to have him more focused on supplying your AF 

Work Ball Into Box is maybe a TI I'd lose, to me it's a possession/ Tiki Taka type TI, looking to pass the ball into the box and probe which doesn't really suit the rest of your TI's and roles (the Higher Tempo with Wingbacks and a Winger) 

[a1fie7]

22 minutes ago, Johnny Ace said:

Good on you  I could see why a Shadow Striker might impact your striker, though I used that combo a lot in FM22  Is this the new tactic with the Attacking Midfielder on Support? An AM and AF should be a fine combination 

 

Yeah this is the new one i'm going to be using at the start of this new season. I did well enough winning the league but I'm really wanting the most from Leonardo has he has the attributes to be one of the best strikers in the world, he's just not doing enough with his chances. I thought maybe a Poacher instead of Advanced Forward but I feel that would do the opposite purpose and leave him more isolated.

23 minutes ago, Johnny Ace said:

Work Ball Into Box is maybe a TI I'd lose, to me it's a possession/ Tiki Taka type TI, looking to pass the ball into the box and probe which doesn't really suit the rest of your TI's and roles (the Higher Tempo with Wingbacks and a Winger) 

The reason I have the work ball into box is because Gonçalves has shoots from distance which is always a pain as it seems he scores about 1 in every 1000, though I suppose a shoot less often instruction could do that as well despite the fact I do want him as a goal threat.

28 minutes ago, Johnny Ace said:

I think your roles and duties look good, I'd maybe just have the right Wing Back on Support but see how it plays out on Defend.

 

Wing Back on Defend is meant to be a thing because of Bellingham's tendency to get forward, as I want more support on the right hand side as in the past it seems most of my goals allowed was due to the wingbacks bombing forward and leaving too much space in behind in combination with Bellingham's forward runs.

Thanks for the reply and the advice : )

[Johnny Ace]

7 minutes ago, a1fie7 said:

Yeah this is the new one i'm going to be using at the start of this new season. I did well enough winning the league but I'm really wanting the most from Leonardo has he has the attributes to be one of the best strikers in the world, he's just not doing enough with his chances. I thought maybe a Poacher instead of Advanced Forward but I feel that would do the opposite purpose and leave him more isolated.

A Poacher could work, they're the most goal scoring focused role but nothing wrong with the AF

8 minutes ago, a1fie7 said:

The reason I have the work ball into box is because Gonçalves has shoots from distance which is always a pain as it seems he scores about 1 in every 1000, though I suppose a shoot less often instruction could do that as well despite the fact I do want him as a goal threat.

That would work, he'll still shoot just not as much, so he might pick his shots a bit better. WBIB also cuts down on crosses and crossing looks like one of the strengths of the tactic

10 minutes ago, a1fie7 said:

Wing Back on Defend is meant to be a thing because of Bellingham's tendency to get forward, as I want more support on the right hand side as in the past it seems most of my goals allowed was due to the wingbacks bombing forward and leaving too much space in behind in combination with Bellingham's forward runs.

 You could try a FB on Support at right back instead then maybe, they don't dribble as much as a Wingback

12 minutes ago, a1fie7 said:

Thanks for the reply and the advice : )

You're welcome! Let us know how you get on

[Cloud9]

10 hours ago, a1fie7 said:

Hello, asking for some tactical advice with my 4-2-3-1, primarily with my instructions in conjunction with me trying to get my striker involved in the game more.

Marcus Leonardo only had 18 goals in all competitions, less then Rashford and Gonçalves, and even with those 18 goals he only averaged a 6.96 all year, which to me implies that if he's not scoring, he's not impacting the game in any way to earn a high rating. I had Gonçalves as a Shadow Striker last year which leads me to think he was getting in roughly the same positions as Leonardo meaning the 18 goals was because they were occupying the same place. The reason I had Gonçalves as a Shadow Striker however is because if i didn't there's a high chance Leonardo wouldn't impact a game, leading to Rashford being the only goal threat.

My tactic relies on the front 5 in attack being from left to right;

Udogie, Rashford, Leonardo, Gonçalves, Sancho.

With Caicedo providing cover on the left for Udogie's runs, and Bellingham being a late arrival into the box if needed.

I was just wondering if anyone has any suggestions to help, be it to do with the Leonardo problem or anything to do with how I set my team up along with instructions. In past years I was the type to use a downloaded tactic so this year i'm trying to use my own.

 

Sticking roam on an AMC(s) 10 in a 4-2-3-1 can be helpful! Not sure how it would work w a SV coming through behind though, haven't tested that specifically. 

Ultimately you might consider moving Goncalves on for a more creative player in that central position.

Edited March 29, 2023 by Cloud9

[a1fie7]

11 hours ago, Cloud9 said:

Ultimately you might consider moving Goncalves on for a more creative player in that central position.

Yeah that's one of the options I have thought about, but despite having roughly 12 goals and 5 assists a season for the past 4 years, no one has come in with an offer anywhere close to the £50 million I spent on him, and of course making a profit is important.

I have a mint regen coming through that already at 19 years old has 17 passing, vision and technique so my long term aim is one more season on loan for him and then to introduce him into the team.

11 hours ago, Cloud9 said:

Sticking roam on an AMC(s) 10 in a 4-2-3-1 can be helpful! Not sure how it would work w a SV coming through behind though, haven't tested that specifically. 

 

My thoughts are by having the SV on support he's less likely to spend the whole game making runs and thus ruining the team shape, and I want to get Bellingham involved in the game. I will try putting roam on the AMC

Thank you for the advice.