Tactics of the World Cup Final

[Andros]

Just for a bit of fun: how would you describe the tactics of Argentina and France in the world cup final?  Player roles? Team instructions

[gennamitico]

Argentina defends in 442. In possession it seems an asymmetrical 442 with Di Maria slightly more advanced than MacAllister, it could be a 433 in possession or asymmetrical 442

[latrell]

[gennamitico]

This is sofascore average positioning. It seems like a 433 or 442 asymmetric 

[vrig]

42 minutes ago, gennamitico said:

This is sofascore average positioning. It seems like a 433 or 442 asymmetric 

I'd be inclined to start with a 433 with Messi a Trequartista off the right and see if he needed moving into the middle based on the play. You've got the Carillero role for De Paul and a BBM for Mac Allistair, plus it puts Enzo in front of the defence which looked right to me.

The real trick of the formation is how De Paul and Molina just locked down that right flank between them, allowing for Messi to leave it alone when he felt like it.

Nothing wrong with a 442 replication either of course. A 4411 with Messi treq'ing it up behind pressing forward Alvarez could also work. Either of those and you're pretty much looking at a 'Nike tick' midfield which would be easily set up, and you could save going asymmetric by focusing play down the right to encourage Messi to drift that way - along with Mac Alistair, who seemed to be bloody everywhere. Either way, it'd be a narrow shape with Di Maria the odd man out stretching the French defence on the left.

[Andros]

for France, I wondered if at the beginning it looked something like this:

 

But there were so many subs as that was not working, that I have no idea how it was towards the end!!

[w_x]

For Argentina a 433 feels right to me, you could see them lining up with it during the game. Messi narrower, Di Maria wider

[sonnevillejr]

France looked like that at the beginning, then Mbappe moved up front in a complete forward attack role and Thuram on the left hand side. Griezmann was then no longer a mezzala but perhaps a APat imo

Edited December 19, 2022 by sonnevillejr

[Yisz]

18 hours ago, latrell said:

Purely on the roles: I agree with most of them.

However, I’d put Di Maria on attack, Enzo on DLP(s) and Messi as treq with Alvarez pf(a).

Didn’t pay enough attention to Romero to really judge but I’d probably start with a CD. 

[Andros]

for Argentina, i felt that whilst di maria was on, it was like the ball came through the middle but when it got to the attacking third it was find him at every opportunity.  they knew they had a chance there.  i do not know how that transfers to Fm, as focus play doesn't work like that as I understand it.

[Bitner]

Em 18/12/2022 em 16:20, latrell disse:

This is how they finished the game tho. For the start i Guess it was Fernandez as a DM (D), De Paul as Carrilero at RCM and Mac Allister as a B2B on LCM. Di Maria as a Winger (A) on left side and Messi as a T (A) on the right side, and Alvarez maybe as a DLP (A) or PF (A).

Then they reverted to this 4-4-2, at the beggining at the game was clear that Argentina was defending in a 4-3-3 with Messi and Di Maria not that wide, crowding the central areas.

About the defence, isn't Otamendi the NCB?

Cheers,
Bitner

[latrell]

27 minutes ago, Bitner said:

This is how they finished the game tho. For the start i Guess it was Fernandez as a DM (D), De Paul as Carrilero at RCM and Mac Allister as a B2B on LCM. Di Maria as a Winger (A) on left side and Messi as a T (A) on the right side, and Alvarez maybe as a DLP (A) or PF (A).

Then they reverted to this 4-4-2, at the beggining at the game was clear that Argentina was defending in a 4-3-3 with Messi and Di Maria not that wide, crowding the central areas.

About the defence, isn't Otamendi the NCB?

Cheers,
Bitner

This was a quick idea about how i saw things but if i look deeper at it yes there would be a few roles i would change i choose Romero as the ncb due to how aggressive he was in the tackle i seen many times big slide tackles where the ball ended up in the stands  

[latrell]

[CR#7]

1 hour ago, latrell said:

di maria as Aml, enzo dm-s, rdp Mc carillero

[latrell]

11 hours ago, CR#7 said:

di maria as Aml, enzo dm-s, rdp Mc carillero

Is this what your thinking ?

[gennamitico]

Argentina tackles for the most in the defensive 3d so this suggests a low Block with get stuck in, with standard or higher defensive Line 

[CR#7]

11 hours ago, latrell said:

Is this what your thinking ?

Macallister as B2B

Tick down the defensive line and add get stuck in