PaulHartman71 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 1 hour ago, decapitated said: Meanwhile the Guardian spoke to the security guards in the same fan park and discovered they are paid 35p an hour and ruthlessly exploited and mistreated by the Qatari authorities. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/nov/18/security-guards-doha-qatar-world-cup-park-claim-they-are-paid-just-35p-an-hour The thing with this though is it’s one thing getting migrant workers to do construction or cleaning type roles. But how bothered are these security going to be if it proper kicks off at some point when they’re on poverty wages and likely hate the Qatari authorities? 35p an hour as well you’d think they’d be quite partial to a £5-10 bribe from any fans for playing a blind eye if they catch them drinking or drunk or something. They’ll also very open to talking to the media before, during and after the event too for a bit of money as I see the guardian have already noticed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Just as microagressions are considered a power move on an interpersonal basis this is still a show of strength. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InigoPatinkin Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 I saw people trying to defend it (including some journalists I expected better of) by saying "well it happens in Scottish stadiums and nobody complains" which makes me think even more it's just a quite clever dead cat play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 So they seem to be paying and treating the paid fans better than the security guards at the fan zones… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Still not too late to cancel this and give it the USA this summer. Keep it in the Eastside and in 2026 make it Mexico, Western USA and Canada. Some of these will be used for other sports but should be able to host football. Maybe. 1. Mercedes Benz Arena, Atlanta 2. Bank of America Stadium, Charlotte, North Carolina 3. M&T Bank Stadium, Baltimore 4. MetLife Stadum or Yankees Stadium, New York 5. Gillette Stadium, Boston 6. FedEx Field, Washington 7. Geodis Park, Nashville (or Nissan Stadium if too small) 8. Soldier Field, Chicago Now wouldn't that be a better World Cup? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Hadn't appreciated the budweiser contract was only 63m. Pocket change for Qatar and should have been so obvious this would happen. They won't be bothered even if they end up having to compensate fifa to pay budweiser. I was expecting more like 630m 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan045 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 4 hours ago, decapitated said: Meanwhile the Guardian spoke to the security guards in the same fan park and discovered they are paid 35p an hour and ruthlessly exploited and mistreated by the Qatari authorities. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/nov/18/security-guards-doha-qatar-world-cup-park-claim-they-are-paid-just-35p-an-hour This WC is a joke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
decapitated Posted November 19, 2022 Author Share Posted November 19, 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/18/multiple-world-cup-sponsors-concerned-over-contracts-after-qatars-alcohol-ban Quote Multiple sponsors have raised concerns or issues with Fifa about their contracts at the Qatar World Cup, the Guardian can reveal. It gives football’s governing body another headache hours after it was forced to ban alcohol from stadiums by the Qatari authorities, a decision that complicated its $75m (£63m) contract with the brewer of Budweiser, Anheuser-Busch InBev. One representative of another major sponsor, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that many partners had felt “let down by Fifa in lots of ways”. They also indicated there had been informal discussions about potential contractual breaches and reneging on deliverables. “Everyone has a gripe in some way or form,” they added. “There is a lot of ‘regrouping’ going [on] to understand what the options are contractually speaking.” Earlier Fifa confirmed in a terse statement that alcohol would not be sold inside or around the perimeter of World Cup stadiums. “Following discussions between host country authorities and Fifa, a decision has been made to focus the sale of alcoholic beverages on the Fifa Fan Festival, other fan destinations and licensed venues, removing sales points of beer from Qatar’s World Cup 2022 stadium perimeters,” it said. “There is no impact to the sale of Bud Zero, which will remain available at all Qatar’s World Cup stadiums.” However it will now be looking nervously over its shoulders at the prospect of legal action from Budweiser, unless some sort of compensation can be agreed with Qatar. Shortly before the announcement the US beer brand sent a tweet – since deleted – that said: “Well, this is awkward…” The sale of alcohol is strictly controlled in Qatar, a conservative Muslim nation, but organisers had promised it would be available in match venues and fan zones – and would be reasonably priced. However it has now decided that alcohol will be available at matches only in hospitality boxes, where the cheapest suites are nearly £20,000 a match, and in some fan zones after 7pm, where it will cost nearly £12 for 500ml of Budweiser. According to the New York Times, staff members were told the move had followed security advice but that the change had originated with Sheikh Jassim bin Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani – the brother of Qatar’s ruling emir and the royal most active in the day-to-day planning of the tournament. The Guardian also understands another consideration was wanting to make sure the large number of supporters from Gulf and Asian countries, where drinking alcohol is not part of the culture, felt comfortable. Until recently organisers had always said that they would find a way to find a middle ground between western fans’ tastes and Qatar’s conservative culture. That message was reiterated most recently by Fatma al-Nuaimi, head of communications for the Supreme Committee, who said: “When it comes to alcohol, hospitality is part of our culture, even if alcohol is not. So it will be in the places where the fans will gather, but not openly on the streets.” The organisation’s official fan guide also states that “ticket holders will have access to Budweiser, Budweiser Zero, and Coca-Cola products within the stadium perimeter” for at least three hours before games, and for one hour afterwards. The news was greeted with frustration by the Football Supporters’ Association, which questioned whether the Qataris could now be trusted on their other promises. “Some fans like a beer at a match and some don’t, but the real issue is the last minute U-turn which speaks to a wider problem – the total lack of communication and clarity from the organising committee towards supporters,” a spokesperson said. “If they can change their minds on this at a moment’s notice, with no explanation, supporters will have understandable concerns about whether they will fulfil other promises relating to accommodation, transport or cultural issues.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Quote “There is no impact to the sale of Bud Zero, which will remain available at all Qatar’s World Cup stadiums.” It gets worse... Bud zero is absolutely dreadful, and there are quite a few mass-produced low alcohol beers I like. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltablue Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 9 hours ago, av3ry said: Still not too late to cancel this and give it the USA this summer. Keep it in the Eastside and in 2026 make it Mexico, Western USA and Canada. Some of these will be used for other sports but should be able to host football. Maybe. 1. Mercedes Benz Arena, Atlanta 2. Bank of America Stadium, Charlotte, North Carolina 3. M&T Bank Stadium, Baltimore 4. MetLife Stadum or Yankees Stadium, New York 5. Gillette Stadium, Boston 6. FedEx Field, Washington 7. Geodis Park, Nashville (or Nissan Stadium if too small) 8. Soldier Field, Chicago Now wouldn't that be a better World Cup? Well it is November, so I guess it is a bit late Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Are any LGBTQ+ people actually going to this? Even before this change they must be mad to think they'd be safe. As soon as the ball kicks off any LGBTQ+ safety assurances are getting reversed as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 33 minutes ago, Ackter said: Are any LGBTQ+ people actually going to this? Even before this change they must be mad to think they'd be safe. As soon as the ball kicks off any LGBTQ+ safety assurances are getting reversed as well. Laura McAllister & Jess Fishlock have both gone over for Wales. Alex Scott is there for the BBC. I know those are high profile names so may have a degree of safety, but still do feel concerned for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 2 hours ago, deltablue said: Well it is November, so I guess it is a bit late Those cities and stadiums could host a World Cup tomorrow if they wanted. I know most are NFL stadiums but it does not take too long to switch it an NFL field to a football field surely? They do it at Tottenham Hotspur occasionally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, av3ry said: I know most are NFL stadiums but it does not take too long to switch it an NFL field to a football field surely? They do it at Tottenham Hotspur occasionally. I think there's a bit more to hosting a World Cup than that tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, av3ry said: Those cities and stadiums could host a World Cup tomorrow if they wanted. I know most are NFL stadiums but it does not take too long to switch it an NFL field to a football field surely? They do it at Tottenham Hotspur occasionally. Hotels and bases for 32 teams, then moving them around the country with safety probably main issue then stadiums Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 The Spurs stadium has a specific configuration where they can roll the one pitch out to use the other pitch. It's only easy to switch by design. It doesn't mean it's automatically easy to then switch other different stadia around in the same way. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Looks beautiful, and what a comfortable place to sit when you're there for 4 group games in a day. Plenty of shade too Get the impression that all Qatar really wanted was the kudos of saying they've got the World Cup and the connections that brings but actual logistics of putting on the tournament are an afterthought and they arrogantly couldn't give a **** about it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 It’s actually going to be Fyre Fest and Woodstock rolled into one isn’t it 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rebs Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Bit rubbish that fans can't have a few pints at the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 I'm not sure that hosting the most derided World Cup of all time is actually going to enhance Qatar's prestige But if they didn't give a **** about minor details like the time of year they'd promised to host it, they're not going to care too much about promises to sponsors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 24 minutes ago, enigmatic said: I'm not sure that hosting the most derided World Cup of all time is actually going to enhance Qatar's prestige But if they didn't give a **** about minor details like the time of year they'd promised to host it, they're not going to care too much about promises to sponsors. or the welfare of the visitors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 I did think in the run-up that was a bit of shame that with all the controversy around...well, everything, that we wouldn't get to see what a super rich state could do with those resources to deliver a unique world cup. The sort of mad **** they could build with a near unlimited budget and imagination. Turns out they couldn't even manage to build a fan park effectively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 Actually think it would be quite funny if the fans got pissed up and smashed the place up tbh. Would make a mockery of the whole thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 33 minutes ago, Wiggins Top Boys said: Actually think it would be quite funny if the fans got pissed up and smashed the place up tbh. Would make a mockery of the whole thing This time we condone a flare up the bum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 5 hours ago, decapitated said: It all looks so **** Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 The biggest winner of this Qatar world cup will be the UAE. They will even more seen as the best of a bad bunch in that region Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aitutaki Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Icondacarver said: The biggest winner of this Qatar world cup will be the UAE. They will even more seen as the best of a bad bunch in that region UAE wouldn't have some of the issues Qatar have. Morocco or an actual football country would be a further step forward, but no oil money so no go. Edited November 20, 2022 by Aitutaki Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 13 hours ago, forameuss said: I did think in the run-up that was a bit of shame that with all the controversy around...well, everything, that we wouldn't get to see what a super rich state could do with those resources to deliver a unique world cup. The sort of mad **** they could build with a near unlimited budget and imagination. Turns out they couldn't even manage to build a fan park effectively. They can, but they don’t give a **** about it. It is the football people are going to see on tv, so full stadiums are needed. They couldn’t care less about the fans in the stadium though and would likely round up people and tell them to cheer for team A or team B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Wolf_pd said: They can, but they don’t give a **** about it. It is the football people are going to see on tv, so full stadiums are needed. They couldn’t care less about the fans in the stadium though and would likely round up people and tell them to cheer for team A or team B. They're already importing people from Pakistan to do just that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wolf_pd said: hey can, but they don’t give a **** about it. Pretty much. They could have built the most advanced fan interaction experiences for any event ever seen if they wanted to, and got it done on time (using migrant workers that they will pay a pittance or nothing at all too mind). These massive cities in the Middle East like Dubai and Doha pretty much spring up overnight, relatively speaking, there's zero chance they couldn't put together some fan parks in the last 10 years if they wanted to. Like I said earlier, they only wanted the kudos and the power that comes with getting and hosting the World Cup. The tournament itself and all the logistics that go with it are just an afterthought. They'll do the bare minimum in that regard. They couldn't give a **** if the fans have a good time. And so what if it damages their reputation, is the rest of the world going to stop buying their energy? Whether this turns out to be the most shambolic WC ever or not won't matter, it won't effect Qatar at all in the long run. Edited November 20, 2022 by Weezer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 (edited) The whole point of the world cup and sports washing in general from the persian gulf states is setting themselves up for the energy transition. its not about people stopping buying their oil now, its about what they can sell in the future. they want to be hubs of international business and high-end tourism. a disastrous world cup where they go back on deals isn't going to help Edited November 20, 2022 by Rafalution Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 The documentaries on this on Netflix in a few years should be quality 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 100%. So many corners going to be cut now and will be a mess in coming days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf_pd Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 For someone who has spend their live savings on this I feel a bit sorry, but for those fans that were recruited and now are not getting pocket money and will find their accomodation being a mess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 My friend mentioned she bought tickets to Portugal Spain and I was wondering where she was going to stay Turns out she has a modelling gig in Dubai, so basically just fly in for the match, then back out again after 👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golden boy Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 31 minutes ago, VamPook said: My friend mentioned she bought tickets to Portugal Spain and I was wondering where she was going to stay Turns out she has a modelling gig in Dubai, so basically just fly in for the match, then back out again after 👍 Looks like she bought tickets to the last World Cup, unless she's anticipating a QF match up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Oops, meant Portugal Uruguay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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