NOT SOUTHGATE'S LAST HURRAH: The England 2022 campaign

[skybluedave]

I think, if Southgate left after this WC, they would approach Pochetino. Whether he'd take it or not, not sure. The job is way more attractive then it was 5 years ago. Before the job was a hiding to nothing but now a good manager will look at it and think 'hey, I could probably win something with them'

[m_fenton]

3 minutes ago, Constantine said:

It wouldn't happen in a million years but... Gareth Ainsworth.

Hear me out. English. Great bloke all around. Tactically astute. Pragmatic. Likeable as ****. Did wonders without any money.

Lacks experience on the highest level but I'd take it over Southgate every time.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[pearcey_90]

Bodes well. 

[Butts]

58 minutes ago, Constantine said:

It wouldn't happen in a million years but... Gareth Ainsworth.

Hear me out. English. Great bloke all around. Tactically astute. Pragmatic. Likeable as ****. Did wonders without any money.

Lacks experience on the highest level but I'd take it over Southgate every time.

Terrible bloke, terrible tactics and as likeable as a serious disease, sounds great.

[PaulHartman71]

1 hour ago, skybluedave said:

I think, if Southgate left after this WC, they would approach Pochetino. Whether he'd take it or not, not sure. The job is way more attractive then it was 5 years ago. Before the job was a hiding to nothing but now a good manager will look at it and think 'hey, I could probably win something with them'

 

I’d be throwing money at Tuchel before looking at Pochettino. I’m not sure he would take it but I think it’s worth asking the question and making him a serious offer. 

[Weezer]

1 hour ago, Constantine said:

It wouldn't happen in a million years but... Gareth Ainsworth.

Hear me out. English. Great bloke all around. Tactically astute. Pragmatic. Likeable as ****. Did wonders without any money.

Lacks experience on the highest level but I'd take it over Southgate every time.

[GunmaN1905]

29 minutes ago, PaulHartman71 said:

I’d be throwing money at Tuchel before looking at Pochettino. I’m not sure he would take it but I think it’s worth asking the question and making him a serious offer. 

An Argentinian on England's bench? Game is truly gone.

[Adamm90]

1 hour ago, Constantine said:

It wouldn't happen in a million years but... Gareth Ainsworth.

Hear me out. English. Great bloke all around. Tactically astute. Pragmatic. Likeable as ****. Did wonders without any money.

Lacks experience on the highest level but I'd take it over Southgate every time.

Have you watched Wycombe play? You'd soon be calling for Southgate to come back after watching a Gareth Ainsworth side.

[Darius1998]

Tuchel seems to be having a pretty nice time in Kerala anyway. Might be a while before he gets back into management.

 

[skybluedave]

Incase any of our foreign posters are wondering who Gareth Ainsworth is. Here he is

[Constantine]

11 minutes ago, Adamm90 said:

Have you watched Wycombe play? You'd soon be calling for Southgate to come back after watching a Gareth Ainsworth side.

Just taking the ****, folks. Previous poster asked for English managers that nurture attacking style of play so, naturally, Ainsworth first came to mind 

Edit: Still respect the dude and everything he's done. My friend, who's a massive Wycombe fan, worship the man

Edited November 26, 2022 by Constantine

[Weezer]

I wish nothing but misery upon Wycombe and anybody connected to them.

[EnterUsernameHere]

1 hour ago, pearcey_90 said:

Bodes well. 

They should have responded to him and asked why he brought Rashford on to play right wing then, where he doesn't play for his club.

More contradictory nonsense from Gareth.

[Baptista_8]

1 hour ago, pearcey_90 said:

Bodes well. 

[Baptista_8]

I'd like him to just grow a pair and be honest when trying to justify his selections, just once.

Although it also wouldn't surprise me if his brain is that limited that he actually believes Foden can't play centrally.

Either way, scary.

[Darren Moores Mum]

That quote about Foden is incredible. What a balloon.

[XuluBak]

1 hour ago, pearcey_90 said:

Bodes well. 

That's such a blatantly BS answer. How has he not been ripped a new one by your media talking that kinda nonsense? 

Edited November 26, 2022 by XuluBak

[craigcwwe]

2 hours ago, skybluedave said:

I think, if Southgate left after this WC, they would approach Pochetino. Whether he'd take it or not, not sure. The job is way more attractive then it was 5 years ago. Before the job was a hiding to nothing but now a good manager will look at it and think 'hey, I could probably win something with them'

Poch did an interview with the Athletic in the last couple of weeks and didn't shoot down the idea of managing England fwiw.

[craigcwwe]

He's still got two years to run on his contract. 

[skybluedave]

1 minute ago, craigcwwe said:

Poch did an interview with the Athletic in the last couple of weeks and didn't shoot down the idea of managing England fwiw.

Well there we go. Not many top club jobs out there for him at moment

[Coulthard's Jaw]

I think it's valid to say that teams who don't concede many goals tend to win major tournaments, but I think last night was just a really poor performance which we were lucky to get a point from. For large chunks of that match we weren't controlling it.

[adhikapp]

1 hour ago, pearcey_90 said:

Bodes well. 

Maguire doesn't play at all for his club and he's basically untouchable for Southgate. 

SI forum defo needs a clown emoji cause I need one to describe Gaz here.

[craigcwwe]

5 minutes ago, adhikapp said:

Maguire doesn't play at all for his club and he's basically untouchable for Southgate. 

SI forum defo needs a clown emoji cause I need one to describe Gaz here.

The man is full of contradictions. 

[craigcwwe]

 

 

[Barry Cartman]

On 26/11/2022 at 09:38, pearcey_90 said:

Bodes well. 

Says the man who has been playing Kyle Walker as a centre back 

[pearcey_90]

31 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said:

Says the man who has been playing Kyle Walker as a centre back 

Basically saying “It was a tight game, and we didn’t want to open things up just in case we conceded”.

Now, pretty much backed himself into a situation where Foden can only play on the wings, or if a 3-5-2, not at all. 

Even though Sterling played great first game, Foden/Saka on the wings are the form players this season. Give them one game together  Don’t make it into a generation of Foden or Saka.

[enigmatic]

59 minutes ago, pearcey_90 said:

Basically saying “It was a tight game, and we didn’t want to open things up just in case we conceded”.

Now, pretty much backed himself into a situation where Foden can only play on the wings, or if a 3-5-2, not at all. 

Even though Sterling played great first game, Foden/Saka on the wings are the form players this season. Give them one game together  Don’t make it into a generation of Foden or Saka.

Don't think Gareth's ever worried about actually being consistent with his media pronouncements  

And yeah, obvious what he actually meant is "the game was tight and we weren't getting the ball anywhere near where Foden is most effective anyway"

[Coulthard's Jaw]

Henderson to start tomorrow instead of Bellingham apparently.

[Adamm90]

From what I heard on ITV earlier, Trippier was playing on the left of defence in training, and Walker on the right.

[skybluedave]

10 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said:

Henderson to start tomorrow instead of Bellingham apparently.

Ffs  Rice, Henderson and Mount is such a dull midfield

[Rob1981]

Gift Wales a 1-0 win, finish as group runner up behind Iran. Then we avoid France 

[pearcey_90]

1 hour ago, skybluedave said:

Ffs  Rice, Henderson and Mount is such a dull midfield

No problems with Bellingham coming out, Guy has literally played every minute going this season  But that is a dull midfield either way. 

It’s Wales anyway, as long as we keep hold of the ball we’ll get chances from them being crap. Just wonder if Phillips will come off bench to match his premier league appearances of 1 minute this season.

[Darren Moores Mum]

Mount going to give us another 90 minutes of garbage then?

[Rob1981]

Sounds like we are giving Shaw a rest then?  Kyle Walker comes in, Trippier switched to the left.

Back 3 / Back 5 grinding out a result against Wales.

[Smallen]

It’ll be interesting. One of the issues we had vs USA was that the full backs played too wide in build up, so I’d like to think if it’s Walker right back and Trippier left back they’ll play in-field a bit more and give us better passing options rather than Maguire and Stones passing it between themselves. Worth trying.

I still don’t get why Henderson is playing though.

[Barry Cartman]

We'll grind out a 1-0 playing 3 at the back and its what we'll play for the rest of the tournament 

[Barnzy]

It’s depressing isn’t it, hadn’t lost faith in Southgate until

he made comments about our possession being great against USA. Hopefully I’m proved wrong 

[Barry Cartman]

and he said after the 6-2 he wasn't happy with the performance :/ 

[pearcey_90]

34 minutes ago, Smallen said:

It’ll be interesting. One of the issues we had vs USA was that the full backs played too wide in build up, so I’d like to think if it’s Walker right back and Trippier left back they’ll play in-field a bit more and give us better passing options rather than Maguire and Stones passing it between themselves.
 

Worth trying.

Issue usually we encounter when we do this, the three in midfield rarely want the ball on the half turn, so just becomes very congested, especially against a side that’s happy to pack the middle. Usually have wingers that want to cut in too which makes it more of an issue.

An early goal changes all that, doesn’t come, it gets bad. 

[Barry Cartman]

If only we had one of the best young players in the World at taking the ball on the half turn 

[sc91]

On 26/11/2022 at 10:29, GunmaN1905 said:

An Argentinian on England's bench? Game is truly gone.

Not to go off on a targent but English were historically one of the largest immigrant groups in Argentina tbf. Not in the realms of madness, albeit something I had little clue about till a while back. 

[Anthrax Dave]

Henderson's time was up as a starter for England 2 years ago. 

Stick with the same team as against the US except Foden for Sterling and a one-legged donkey for Mount.

[Rob1981]

1 hour ago, Barry Cartman said:

We'll grind out a 1-0 playing 3 at the back and its what we'll play for the rest of the tournament 

Said this the other day, if he wants to play the back three in the knockouts against better teams then we have to try and give Kyle Walker some game time tonight.

But if we set up like that tonight it’s not because he thinks we can’t beat Wales any other way.

Either way I’d try and get Foden in.

Edited November 29, 2022 by Rob1981

[Bigwig]

If you go by Southgate’s claim of only picking players where they play for their club (not sure if Trippier has played left back for Newcastle mind) then he can only really chose between Henderson and Gallagher to replace Bellingham. 

[craigcwwe]

Not got an issue with bringing in Henderson for Jude for this game if that rumour is indeed true. We're basically through anyway and you can't play your first 11 every game from the start. Rest 2-3 outfield players for this one ahead of the round of 16 game. 

Walker, Phillips and Maddison all need minutes so hopefully all three feature here, sounds like Walker will start. Would like to see Phillips and Maddison get at least 30 minutes though. 

[Rob1981]

Said this mostly in jest yesterday, but the more I look at the table... can’t we just gift Wales a 1-0 win and let Iran win the group?

We get to avoid France, the Welshies get the bragging rights, all the Southgate haters get to moan even more...

Everyone’s happy, surely?

Might actually watch Iran v USA tonight. Our game will either be a car crash or a meaningless win, Iran can make genuine WC history if they reach R16 for the first time.

[skybluedave]

Don't worry about tonight lads. I am going back to the same pub, with the same mate and in the same clothes when I watched the Iran game. I partially take blame for US game as I watched in a different pub with an Australian....

[Astafjevs]

11 minutes ago, Rob1981 said:

Said this mostly in jest yesterday, but the more I look at the table... can’t we just gift Wales a 1-0 win and let Iran win the group?

We get to avoid France, the Welshies get the bragging rights, all the Southgate haters get to moan even more...

Everyone’s happy, surely?

Might actually watch Iran v USA tonight. Our game will either be a car crash or a meaningless win, Iran can make genuine WC history if they reach R16 for the first time.

Presents an easier QF but then puts you in the half with Brazil and Spain.

Winning the group probably means a tough France QF, but then the rest of that half is considerably better. Portugal are the next biggest team. It has the winners of Croatia/Morocco/Belgium group, which you'd love in your half really.

[The_jagster]

Despite their rubbish games so far I wouldn't fancy our chances against the Dutch tbh, might well be a last 16 KO.

I will be watching Iran-USA as there's more at stake, I can't see much excitement in the England game.

[mrbpme]