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                                Pickford

              Walker      Stones     Maguire 

Trent                                                      Shaw

                        Phillips        Rice

 Saka/Foden            Kane           Sterling  

 

Thats what we're getting and its going to be depressing as **** 

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4 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said:

                                Pickford

              Walker      Stones     Maguire 

Trent                                                      Shaw

                        Phillips        Rice

 Saka/Foden            Kane           Sterling  

 

Thats what we're getting and its going to be depressing as **** 

Surely no chance Phillips starts over Bellingham.

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3 minutes ago, Harryseaess said:

Seems pretty much the right squad, other than Phillips which is a bit of a joke.

Trent very lucky that James is injured.

Who would you replace Phillips with though?

I get he's been injured, but he's been a key player for the last couple of years, I've no idea why people think he shouldn't be going. His injury has been with his shoulder as well so he's been doing plenty of no-contact training so it's not like he's been sat on his arse the whole time either.

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Cant wait for the pundits excuse of "he has to play a deep back 5 because the defenders aren't good enough or quick enough" even though he's left Tomori at home

Tomori, Stones and White are all capable of playing as CBs in a back 4 with a high line but instead we will get this folly

Its going to be even more turgid than normal SouthgateBall because its SouthgateBall in 40 degree heat

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1 minute ago, Pukey said:

Who would you replace Phillips with though?

I get he's been injured, but he's been a key player for the last couple of years, I've no idea why people think he shouldn't be going. His injury has been with his shoulder as well so he's been doing plenty of no-contact training so it's not like he's been sat on his arse the whole time either.

Ward-Prowse.

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2 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said:

Gallagher is the bigger joke, 7 starts this season from 19 games, remember when Gareth left players out because of lack of game time :D 

He’s not even good.

Should’ve had Joe Willock or Sean Longstaff in there :rolleyes:

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Like I said in 2nd post in this thread. This 26 man squad means you can take everyone. No way Phillips gets in if 23 man squad but with 26 then obviously if he is semi fit. It's all well and good saying so & so shouldn't be in squad but there is hardly anyone else. Not like we are leaving behind a bunch of world class game changing talent.  At a push you could say Tomori could be in for someone. But really that's it

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1 minute ago, Pukey said:

Based off what, though? If you bring him instead of Phillips and Rice gets injured/suspended you leave yourself with no proper DM option at all, it's absolute insanity.

Based off actually playing for one. Plus his ability from a set piece.

Instead Southgate is relying on a player that has hardly been fit all season. He has Henderson there if needed to fill in for Rice.

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1 minute ago, Barry Cartman said:

Gareth doesn't think Tomori has done enough in his 1 start he was given to push others out :D

Winning Serie A with Milan doesn't seem to count 

 

Southgate talking absolute bollocks regarding selections, that he himself clearly doesn't even believe? What a shocker.

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2 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said:

Southgate talking absolute bollocks regarding selections, that he himself clearly doesn't even believe? What a shocker.

Don’t know if he’s actually retired from England but if he wanted to have an older head at CB then Smalling should have been in.

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4 minutes ago, Harryseaess said:

Based off actually playing for one. Plus his ability from a set piece.

Instead Southgate is relying on a player that has hardly been fit all season. He has Henderson there if needed to fill in for Rice.

Trippier and Trent can cover set pieces pretty well...We've all seen them both play, set pieces aside, Phillips is considerably better isn't he

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22 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said:

                                Pickford

              Walker      Stones     Maguire 

Trent                                                      Shaw

                        Phillips        Rice

 Saka/Foden            Kane           Sterling  

 

Thats what we're getting and its going to be depressing as **** 

Trippier at RWB is much more trusted by Gareth

12 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said:

Gallagher is the bigger joke, 7 starts this season from 19 games, remember when Gareth left players out because of lack of game time :D 

He hasn't even played well for England. But I don't know who would be a better option tbh

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3 minutes ago, Harryseaess said:

Based off actually playing for one. Plus his ability from a set piece.

Instead Southgate is relying on a player that has hardly been fit all season.

His ability from a set piece that he'd never show because he'll never get on the pitch?

I completely understand his lack of minutes is a definite issue and he shouldn't be starting, but there was never any chance Southgate was going to drop a player as important to the last few years as Phillips if he has a chance of playing a decent amount of minutes, and as mentioned given the nature of his injury he's not playing catch up in the exact same way as a player who's had an injury that means they can't run (though clearly he's still behind) 

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Gallagher as a specialist to come on and press like mad for 20 minutes has a certain amount of logic to it but it's still a surprise to see him get the call up, not least because RLC is better, more tested and more versatile playing in the same midfield.

Only taking one proper centre forward as backup who plays in a totally different way to Kane and is notoriously made of glass is a bit of a concern though.

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Just now, The_jagster said:

Also if you want a scorer then Wilson is the in form option over Abraham. If Kane gets injured I think Wislon will look a bit like Immobile against a decent defence, clearly a step down from the rest of the forward line.

I'm not disagreeing with his reason for not taking Tammy, but he pick and chooses his answers as to why he doesn't pick certain players, but doesn't apply the same reason to others, he's done this throughout his time as England manager.

 

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4 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said:

Tammy not in because of poor form 

Once again picking and choosing who he applies stuff to :thup:

Yeah, Abraham definitely fell off this season and isn't a class striker, so the form take is justified.

But then as you say, he has completely different criteria for different players.

1 minute ago, The_jagster said:

Also if you want a scorer then Wilson is the in form option over Abraham. If Kane gets injured I think Wislon will look a bit like Immobile against a decent defence, clearly a step down from the rest of the forward line.

Why exactly did he take 6 wingers, but only 2 strikers?

Doesn't make sense.

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1 minute ago, Robokid87 said:

Gallagher as a specialist to come on and press like mad for 20 minutes has a certain amount of logic to it but it's still a surprise to see him get the call up, not least because RLC is better, more tested and more versatile playing in the same midfield.

Can't be relied on to stay fit for 20 minutes tbf, but plenty you could say that about in the squad

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Just now, Anthrax Dave said:

So what the heck happens if 2 or 3 of the players suffer hamstring or concussion injuries this weekend? Are we allowed to call up replacements?

Injured players are allowed to be replaced until 24 hours before the teams first game. So if Harry Kane breaks a leg you can replace him with either Abraham or Toney

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4 minutes ago, Haguey said:

Can't be relied on to stay fit for 20 minutes tbf, but plenty you could say that about in the squad

40 games last season and hasn't missed any so far this, so hopefully those days are behind him. Still hasn't kicked on to the real world class level we thought he might get to but I think it's gone under the radar just how good he actually is. Far from an outrage that he's not there though.

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1 minute ago, Barry Cartman said:

I'm not disagreeing with his reason for not taking Tammy, but he pick and chooses his answers as to why he doesn't pick certain players, but doesn't apply the same reason to others, he's done this throughout his time as England manager.

 

Because when it comes to Tammy vs Wilson it's purely down to form. Neither set world alight for England in games they have played, and they are probably not gonna play anyway. So go with most inform. 

But certain situations you have to weigh up form vs other things. That's what he's done with Maguire and Philips. Maguire is the big call and Southgate's job will probably depend on whether he performs. Ala Sterling last Euros

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6 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said:

Yeah, Abraham definitely fell off this season and isn't a class striker, so the form take is justified.

But then as you say, he has completely different criteria for different players.

Why exactly did he take 6 wingers, but only 2 strikers?

Doesn't make sense.

Rashford will be the third striking option. But come on, we know Kane will play every minute.

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I live for Maguire doing something to send England out. 

Tomori should obviously be there ahead of both Maguire (never going to happen) and Coady. 

I take the point though that if Coady would never play and Tomori would (wrongly) never play then might as well take banter merchant Coady. 

England have such a massively unlikeable squad outside of Rashford and Saka. Saw a good twitter thread today about how scummy so many of them are

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32 minutes ago, MIR17 said:

Yes! Maddison! So deserved. Only 4th Leicester player to be at a WC for England after Gordon Banks (1966), Jamie Vardy (2018) and Harry Maguire (2018)

Reckon JJ would have had a real shot as well given Southgate referenced losing 2 left backs to injuries. Such a shame he has another terrible injury.

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42 minutes ago, martynlcfc said:

Reckon JJ would have had a real shot as well given Southgate referenced losing 2 left backs to injuries. Such a shame he has another terrible injury.

I don’t think Justin would’ve deserve it though in all honesty. I don’t think he’s been that great since return from his lengthy injury

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32 minutes ago, Astafjevs said:

Is Walker actually fit? He's not played for ages and might not play at all before the World Cup. Feels like that's a big call

Suppose to be back on the bench this weekend I think. EIther way, I'm sure he's back training, but means come World Cup he's not really played a full game since start of September.

Edit: Just looked, and Southgate said he's not back training yet but could make it back before end of Groups :D So basically called up for the 3-4-3/3-5-2 knockout games.

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42 minutes ago, Citizen Kane said:

Cba to analyse who are those that have missed that it's harsh on?

Dele Alli, Ross Barkley, Ryan Bertrand, Nathaniel Clyne, Joe Hart, Danny Welbeck, Ashley Young, Phil Jones, Michael Keane, Theo Walcott, Ruben Loftus-Cheek, Danny Rose, Jesse Lingard, Jack Butland.

These lads have all proved they can do a job for England before, yet he insists on just picking the same old favourites.

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3 hours ago, Smallen said:

Pickford

Trippier White Stones Shaw

Rice

Bellingham Mount

Saka    Kane    Foden

Go with that. Press the **** out of everyone and hope we don't have to defend. 

For me the problem isn't so much the defence.  It's up front.  I'll be honest - I don't watch friendlies anymore - maybe highlights, but I personally don't think Kane is the same player he is for England, as he is for Spurs.  He seems to play too deep.  I'm just not sure where the goals are going to come from.  Having said that though I think England will walk through the group and into the Quarters.  Anything can happen after that I guess.  I know he won't do it, but i'd have Callum Wilson in the starting X1.

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