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[FM23] ITCH, ETCH & ATCH - International, European & Americas Team Competition Histories

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Back for a third season in a row (and much earlier than last season :D), ITCH might just be for you if you love managing in international football, or even if you merely like having accurate national team histories.

This file gives every national team in FM23 complete histories from various tournaments. Using Wikipedia and RSSSF for reference, I have added data for all the qualifying and final stages of World Cups and continental championships, plus other in-game competitions such as the Confederations Cup. My update is designed to be as CORRECT, COMPLETE, and CONSISTENT as possible.

I have completely erased all national team histories from the database and inserted my own data for every country from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe. This means that my file will be compatible with the original FM23 database, as well as any future updated databases.

I created ITCH after becoming appalled at the standard of national team history data in the original database. While the histories for some countries like England were fairly accurate, the histories for other countries like Spain were badly lacking, while many did not have any history at all. For example, some nations that had previously qualified for World Cups were not shown as having done so. This update rectifies such errors and omissions.

My ETCH update adds full continental competition histories to clubs in Europe. My ATCH update adds continental competition histories to teams in North, Central and South America, and the Caribbean.

ETCH adds data for all the qualifying and final stages of every official UEFA club competition since 1955, including the Champions League, the Europa League and now the Europa Conference League. ATCH adds data for all the qualifying and final stages of every official CONMEBOL and CONCACAF club competition since 1960, including the Copa Libertadores and the CONCACAF Champions League.

I hope you enjoy using these files as much as I enjoyed creating them. I would also like to thank @magicmastermind124, without whose help the creations of these databases would have taken much longer than they did.

 

SAMPLE IMAGES

ITCH

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ETCH

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ATCH

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QUESTIONS & ANSWERS

Q. How many changes have you made to the database?

A. Around 50,000 on ITCH, 84,000 on ETCH, and 30,000 on ATCH.

Q. Why is there no data for the Olympic Games on ITCH?

A. The Olympic Games is an age-group tournament, and I cannot add past tournament data specifically for age-group teams. Only a small number of national teams had histories for such tournaments, so I decided to remove those from the database.

Q. Why is there no data for the first seasons of the UEFA Nations League and the CONCACAF Nations League on ITCH?

A. When FM23 records new tournament histories for the Nations Leagues, it records the finishing position and the group number, but not the division. I have reported this bug to Sports Interactive for several versions now and they still have not fixed it. Until it is fixed, I will not include any data from the UEFA Nations League or the CONCACAF Nations League in this update.

Q. I have started a new save game with your ETCH and ATCH updates and I cannot find continental competition histories for clubs in certain countries. Why?

A. When Football Manager creates a new save game, it will only load changes for clubs in the nation(s) that you have loaded. For example, if you load just the English leagues, FM will only load full continental histories for English clubs. It also means that you'll need to install custom leagues to see complete histories for clubs based in nations such as Cyprus and Lithuania, which don't have leagues in the original database. Unfortunately, there is nothing I can do about this.

Q. Will these be compatible with other files?

A. ITCH, ETCH and ATCH are all confirmed to be compatible with one another. I am also confident that they won't clash clash with any other files that DO NOT also edit national team or club history data.

Q. I've noticed a mistake or a discrepancy in one of your files. What should I do?

A. You can either leave a reply in this thread or contact me via PM. If I have made any errors, I will look to rectify them and bring out a new version of the relevant update in due course.

 

DOWNLOAD LINKS

ITCH - Steam Workshop (2023.0) / Direct Download (2023.0)

ETCH - Steam Workshop (2023.1) / Direct Download (2023.1)

ATCH - Steam Workshop (2023.0) / Direct Download (2023.0)

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17 minutes ago, wfm18 said:

Amazing, one of the best files in the community 🤩 I don't understand why SI doesn't implement your files into the game.

I reckon it's at least partly down to licencing (for the club histories, anyway).

With the international histories, I think they're all handled by each nation's head researcher. That would explain why the results are so inconsistent (e.g. different nations refer to the World Cup last 16 stage as the Second Round, the First Knockout Round, the Eighth Round, the Sixteenth Round).

The main reason I started this project was because I realised it would be pointless to go to every single researcher and tell them, "Hey, you're missing this result, this round has the wrong name, another nation has it like this, blah blah blah." But I hope SI do have a closer look at this part of the game in future, because even though it's a very minor feature, what they have right now is sloppy and not very professional.

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Hello, that's a nice addition to the game. I have a question I am currently working on the french clubs and competition history fix (as I did for fm22). I only add of course the domestic clubs and competitions history, normally it wouldn't be a problem to add your file too, is that correct?

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14 minutes ago, vourtsio said:

Hello, that's a nice addition to the game. I have a question I am currently working on the french clubs and competition history fix (as I did for fm22). I only add of course the domestic clubs and competitions history, normally it wouldn't be a problem to add your file too, is that correct?

If it's only domestic competitions, I'm 99% sure that my files will work with your files.

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8 minutes ago, CFuller said:

If it's only domestic competitions, I'm 99% sure that my files will work with your files.

Yeah me too, since I don't create anything at all in my DB, just fix the domestic histories 

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ETCH -Quick one regarding the whole FCSB/Steaua 'who-owns-the-rights to old Steaua Bucuresti' argument situation

There's an on-going argument as to which clubs owns the History, and you can't select two-New Clubs in the Editor - is it worth duplicating the ETCH history for clubs FCSB and Steaua Bucharest?


Note: As of June 2018, UEFA and LPF regard FC FCSB as the continuation of historic FC Steaua and attribute all honours since 1947 to that entity.[7][8] However, the ownership of the many trophies won between 1947 and 2003 is disputed, with the restarted football department of former parent club CSA Steaua also claiming them[40] following legal disputes between the two organisations.[4][41][26] In July 2019, CSA Steaua won a first court decision regarding the record dispute. However, the ruling is not definitive.[1][42] CSA Steaua won another court decision against FC FCSB in June 2021. This ruling is not definitive but it has an enforceable title.[citation needed] According to the June 2021 court decision, CSA Steaua has all honours until 1998.[43]

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On 27/11/2022 at 15:06, Rob 396 said:

ETCH -Quick one regarding the whole FCSB/Steaua 'who-owns-the-rights to old Steaua Bucuresti' argument situation

There's an on-going argument as to which clubs owns the History, and you can't select two-New Clubs in the Editor - is it worth duplicating the ETCH history for clubs FCSB and Steaua Bucharest?


Note: As of June 2018, UEFA and LPF regard FC FCSB as the continuation of historic FC Steaua and attribute all honours since 1947 to that entity.[7][8] However, the ownership of the many trophies won between 1947 and 2003 is disputed, with the restarted football department of former parent club CSA Steaua also claiming them[40] following legal disputes between the two organisations.[4][41][26] In July 2019, CSA Steaua won a first court decision regarding the record dispute. However, the ruling is not definitive.[1][42] CSA Steaua won another court decision against FC FCSB in June 2021. This ruling is not definitive but it has an enforceable title.[citation needed] According to the June 2021 court decision, CSA Steaua has all honours until 1998.[43]

The FCSB/CSA Steaua situation is indeed very complex, and I'll admit I wasn't fully updated on the situation, so thanks for letting me know about this.

In FM23, it seems that CSA Steaua have been given the club's records and honours up until the end of 2002/2003, and Becali's takeover.

Because of this, I will change my records, so that all competition histories up until 2002/2003 are assigned to CSA Steaua - and all histories from 2003/2004 onwards will remain with FCSB. (I might also experiment with assigning all histories from 2003-2014 to the now-defunct FC Steaua Bucuresti, and see if they still show up until FCSB in-game.)

I'm not yet sure if Steam Workshop files can now be updated automatically (there was a bug in previous editors where you couldn't do this). If I cannot do this, I will still make a new version available for direct download.

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Success! I have now updated ETCH to version 2023.1 on Steam Workshop, and put up a new link for direct download.

In this update, all competition histories prior to 2003/2004 that were previously assigned to FCSB have now been assigned to CSA Steaua. Thanks once again, @Rob 396.

Please let me know if there are any issues with the update, or if you find any errors/mistake.

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18 minutes ago, Utta said:

I mean History->Honours tab. Just wondering if it makes sense to cross your files with Rob's 🙂🤔

Ah, I see.

I do not change competition names or add different versions of competitions like Rob does. I prefer to keep my competition histories consistent, so for example, all the old European Cup records come under the Champions League (like they do in the base game), instead of being separate from the Champions League (like they do in Rob's files).

That question is something only Rob can really answer. Rob contacted me a while back, and I made him an edited version of ETCH - with separate European Cup / Champions League and UEFA Cup / Europa League data, for example - for him to use in his files. If he is using that version of ETCH in this files, then it's probably best not to use his and my files at the same time, otherwise you might have some duplicated entries and other weirdness. (Though you can probably use ITCH and ATCH with Rob's files without issues.)

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6 hours ago, CFuller said:

Ah, I see.

I do not change competition names or add different versions of competitions like Rob does. I prefer to keep my competition histories consistent, so for example, all the old European Cup records come under the Champions League (like they do in the base game), instead of being separate from the Champions League (like they do in Rob's files).

That question is something only Rob can really answer. Rob contacted me a while back, and I made him an edited version of ETCH - with separate European Cup / Champions League and UEFA Cup / Europa League data, for example - for him to use in his files. If he is using that version of ETCH in this files, then it's probably best not to use his and my files at the same time, otherwise you might have some duplicated entries and other weirdness. (Though you can probably use ITCH and ATCH with Rob's files without issues.)

Just to confirm, there's absolutely no issue loading my files as well as CFuller's

Nothing in my file will change the brilliant work he has done

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6 minutes ago, dembagarry236 said:

why don't you have africa  data brother ????

I want to cover CAF competitions in future (and AFC and OFC competitions as well).

The main reason I haven't covered Africa yet is because there's only one African league in the main game right now (South Africa) - unless you download custom leagues. Also, FM will only load continental competition histories for clubs if their league is loaded in the same game, as I explained in the OP:

On 08/11/2022 at 15:35, CFuller said:

Q. I have started a new save game with your ETCH and ATCH updates and I cannot find continental competition histories for clubs in certain countries. Why?

A. When Football Manager creates a new save game, it will only load changes for clubs in the nation(s) that you have loaded. For example, if you load just the English leagues, FM will only load full continental histories for English clubs. It also means that you'll need to install custom leagues to see complete histories for clubs based in nations such as Cyprus and Lithuania, which don't have leagues in the original database. Unfortunately, there is nothing I can do about this.

To put it another way, adding competiton histories for African clubs is only worthwhile if you have their leagues loaded. Until SI include more African leagues in the game by default (and I hope they do in future) instead of you having to download them yourself, I'm afraid that very few people will benefit from this.

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6 minutes ago, 0tto0o said:

Will you be making an updated version for FM24?

This is one of my favourite mods for FM, so I want to thank you for the work you have already put into this in the past. :)

Yes, the files are ready to go as soon as I can upload them to the Steam Workshop.

I'll give it until the end of the week - and if SI don't fix that editor bug by then, I'll make the new files available for direct download.

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