The FM23 Youth Academy Challenge

[Vlach]

 

 

Last update from Paris - I got sacked after 15 losses in a row. Will try again, wit a new save and a different team.

[fries]

A question to you guys that play or have played in England.

Is it best for my best youth players to play in the u18 team in the English u18 Division 1 or in the u21 team in the English u21 Premier Division 2?

 

This is the first season where my u21 team is in the Premier Division 2. Before I had my best talents in the u18 team because they played in the best league. But I am not sure what to do now.

[Feliks]

I have always wanted to do this challenge and I've always wanted to manage in Brazil, so I thought, why not?

After literal hours of reloading to get them I have taken over Manaus-based Amazonas FC who were founded in 2019 and will be competing in the third tier Serie C for the first time. They also compete in the Amazonas State Championship. For anyone not aware, Manaus is a city of 2.1 million in the middle of the Amazon rainforest and is only reachable by plane or boat.

Keen to tackle a 60-game season with a squad of 16...

[hyrule_king]

 

The creation of the official emblem of the Clube Oriental de Lisboa dates back to the founding of this huge sports institution in Lisbon. Born as a result of the merger of the three most prestigious local teams at the time, COL ended up adopting for its symbol the characterizing elements of Marvilense Futebol Clube, Chelas Futebol Clube and Grupo Desportivo “Os Fósforos”.  

[Vlach]

[Barnsley]

FC United of Manchester - Season 15 (37-38)

Sky Bet League Two

Well, I remember reading a week or so ago about getting out the bottom league was the hardest and it started to get a little easier in the next divisions for a bit. Well Promotion from the Vanarama North resulted in Winning the Vanarama National, and this season winning the League Two playoffs. 3 promotions on the spin and into League One. My extended 13 seasons spent in the lowest league building foundations seems to have done the trick!! 

We needed a win in the final 2 games to achieve automatic promotion, however we stumbled and lost them both. Resulting in a playoff in which we met Birmingham in the final (who beat us last day to stop promotion) it was revenge time as we ran out 3-1 winners in a tight encounter only up until the 93rd minute we hit the 3rd goal. Over the moon!!

Our last two years intakes have been really poor and nobody pushing the starting lineup, so we consist of a mainly 20-21 year olds now from a few seasons before who are okay. Would of liked to have a few more younger players in there but i am hoping now if i can establish myself in League One we will grow, starting to finally get all the players onto full time contracts. Our balance is okay at £1.3m but not enough to get any more upgrades. We are getting bids for our players but the bids are 50k max. I am going to let one of them go if i can soon and sell the 50% clause immediately to raise some cash as the youth setup is slowly starting to leak cash. We just don't make enough.

I am finally a club icon now on the list, hopefully a legend soon.
Long term goals: get a stadium named after myself, and hopefully one day get a son through the academy - I have had neither of these in any FM to date.

Season 16: we go again, aims are to avoid relegation from League One, i think we are just about strong enough - however i faced a L1 side in the cup who were bottom of the league and they beat me 5-1 so we will see, big step up as I think Leeds are in that league too.

League Table:

Our stadium was upgraded from 4400 to 6150 during the season which was great. We also ended up winning the Papa Johns trophy, in which we got lucky with the draw and faced multiple u21 sides including the final.

Our best player is still Anthony Connor, who is now 30. 615 goals in 616 league games from the start, a club legend, a Manchester hero like Oasis, there is a battle between both of them for who is top. He is starting to decline slightly now, but we haven't had a striker in over 10 years to help the load so he is always fatigued but I play him anyway.

Season Review:

Season	9	10	11	12	13	14	15
Year	31/32	32/33	33/34	34/35	35/36	36/37	37/38
League	Van North	Van North	Van North	Van North	Van North	Van National	League Two
Prediction	17th	14th	14th	14th	10th	4th	14th
Comments	Lost in playoffs	Lost in playoff final		Lost in playoffs	WON PLAYOFFS	CHAMPIONS	WON PLAYOFFS
Place	7th	3rd	16th	3rd	3rd	1st	4th
Played	46	46	46	46	46	46	46
Won	22	25	14	26	27	32	22
Draw	6	10	10	10	10	9	8
Loss	18	11	22	10	9	5	16
GF	98	110	91	106	112	104	78
GA	89	77	100	72	59	39	59
GD	9	33	-9	34	53	65	19
PTS	72	85	52	88	91	105	74
Fa Cup	2nd Rnd	1st Rnd	2nd Qual	1st Rnd	2nd Rnd	4th Qual	1st Rnd
FA Trophy	4th Rnd	2nd Rnd	2nd Rnd	2nd Rnd	2nd Rnd	3rd Rd	N/A
Carabao Cup							2nd Rnd
Papa Johns							WINNER
Top Scorer (League)	Anthony Connor	Anthony Connor	Anthony Connor	Anthony Connor	Anthony Connor	Anthony Connor	Anthony Connor
Goals (League)	49	45	48	48	49	47	39
Training Facilities	Below Average	Below Average	Below Average	Below Average	Adequate	Adequate	Average
Youth Facilities	Adequate	Average	Good	Good	Good	Good	Good
Youth Level	3	3	2	3	2	2	2
Youth Recruitment	Exceptional	Exceptional	Exceptional	Exceptional	Exceptional	Exceptional	Exceptional
Junior Coaching	Exceptional	Exceptional	Exceptional	Exceptional	Exceptional	Exceptional	Exceptional
Balance 1st July	£1,153,000.00	£2,177,700.00	£591,674.00	£1,269,000.00	£824,000.00	£1,756,500.00	£2,827,000.00
Capacity	4400	4400	4400	4400	4400	4400	4400
Average Attendendance	2602	2763	2442	2877	2712	2865	3558
Season Ticket Holders	2056	2158	2265	2265	2265	2378	2729
Price	£147.00	£148.00	£148.00	£148.00	£148.00	£196.00	£220.00
Match Ticket	£10.00	£10.00	£10.00	£10.00	£10.00	£14.00	£16.00

[Feliks]

6 minutes ago, Barnsley said:

FC United of Manchester - Season 15 (37-38)

Sky Bet League Two

Well, I remember reading a week or so ago about getting out the bottom league was the hardest and it started to get a little easier in the next divisions for a bit. Well Promotion from the Vanarama North resulted in Winning the Vanarama National, and this season winning the League Two playoffs. 3 promotions on the spin and into League One. My extended 13 seasons spent in the lowest league building foundations seems to have done the trick!! 

We needed a win in the final 2 games to achieve automatic promotion, however we stumbled and lost them both. Resulting in a playoff in which we met Birmingham in the final (who beat us last day to stop promotion) it was revenge time as we ran out 3-1 winners in a tight encounter only up until the 93rd minute we hit the 3rd goal. Over the moon!!

Our last two years intakes have been really poor and nobody pushing the starting lineup, so we consist of a mainly 20-21 year olds now from a few seasons before who are okay. Would of liked to have a few more younger players in there but i am hoping now if i can establish myself in League One we will grow, starting to finally get all the players onto full time contracts. Our balance is okay at £1.3m but not enough to get any more upgrades. We are getting bids for our players but the bids are 50k max. I am going to let one of them go if i can soon and sell the 50% clause immediately to raise some cash as the youth setup is slowly starting to leak cash. We just don't make enough.

I am finally a club icon now on the list, hopefully a legend soon.
Long term goals: get a stadium named after myself, and hopefully one day get a son through the academy - I have had neither of these in any FM to date.

Season 16: we go again, aims are to avoid relegation from League One, i think we are just about strong enough - however i faced a L1 side in the cup who were bottom of the league and they beat me 5-1 so we will see, big step up as I think Leeds are in that league too.

League Table:

Our stadium was upgraded from 4400 to 6150 during the season which was great. We also ended up winning the Papa Johns trophy, in which we got lucky with the draw and faced multiple u21 sides including the final.

Our best player is still Anthony Connor, who is now 30. 615 goals in 616 league games from the start, a club legend, a Manchester hero like Oasis, there is a battle between both of them for who is top. He is starting to decline slightly now, but we haven't had a striker in over 10 years to help the load so he is always fatigued but I play him anyway.

Season Review:

Season	9	10	11	12	13	14	15
Year	31/32	32/33	33/34	34/35	35/36	36/37	37/38
League	Van North	Van North	Van North	Van North	Van North	Van National	League Two
Prediction	17th	14th	14th	14th	10th	4th	14th
Comments	Lost in playoffs	Lost in playoff final		Lost in playoffs	WON PLAYOFFS	CHAMPIONS	WON PLAYOFFS
Place	7th	3rd	16th	3rd	3rd	1st	4th
Played	46	46	46	46	46	46	46
Won	22	25	14	26	27	32	22
Draw	6	10	10	10	10	9	8
Loss	18	11	22	10	9	5	16
GF	98	110	91	106	112	104	78
GA	89	77	100	72	59	39	59
GD	9	33	-9	34	53	65	19
PTS	72	85	52	88	91	105	74
Fa Cup	2nd Rnd	1st Rnd	2nd Qual	1st Rnd	2nd Rnd	4th Qual	1st Rnd
FA Trophy	4th Rnd	2nd Rnd	2nd Rnd	2nd Rnd	2nd Rnd	3rd Rd	N/A
Carabao Cup							2nd Rnd
Papa Johns							WINNER
Top Scorer (League)	Anthony Connor	Anthony Connor	Anthony Connor	Anthony Connor	Anthony Connor	Anthony Connor	Anthony Connor
Goals (League)	49	45	48	48	49	47	39
Training Facilities	Below Average	Below Average	Below Average	Below Average	Adequate	Adequate	Average
Youth Facilities	Adequate	Average	Good	Good	Good	Good	Good
Youth Level	3	3	2	3	2	2	2
Youth Recruitment	Exceptional	Exceptional	Exceptional	Exceptional	Exceptional	Exceptional	Exceptional
Junior Coaching	Exceptional	Exceptional	Exceptional	Exceptional	Exceptional	Exceptional	Exceptional
Balance 1st July	£1,153,000.00	£2,177,700.00	£591,674.00	£1,269,000.00	£824,000.00	£1,756,500.00	£2,827,000.00
Capacity	4400	4400	4400	4400	4400	4400	4400
Average Attendendance	2602	2763	2442	2877	2712	2865	3558
Season Ticket Holders	2056	2158	2265	2265	2265	2378	2729
Price	£147.00	£148.00	£148.00	£148.00	£148.00	£196.00	£220.00
Match Ticket	£10.00	£10.00	£10.00	£10.00	£10.00	£14.00	£16.00

Connor is probably the best LLM striker I've ever seen mate, like he was put on this Earth to do one thing and one thing only.

[Barnsley]

27 minutes ago, Feliks said:

Connor is probably the best LLM striker I've ever seen mate, like he was put on this Earth to do one thing and one thing only.

Probably for me too in any of the FM and CM versions. I mean, he would of been out of his depth quite quickly in a higher division but because I Just couldnt get out of that bottom league he racked up silly goals. Basically the balls used to go in the channels or down the middle and he would be in on goal and score. His all round game is quite poor and if he doesn't score in a game his rating is usually under 6. But i am okay with it as he has scored and scored and scored. Interested to see him in League One now at 30/31 soon and on the decline but hes a machine. Hoping he will become a member of the coaching team in the future as he is one of the reasons i have enjoyed this save so much.

I would be interested to see what his actual PA and CA would be

Edited December 11, 2022 by Barnsley

[OlivierL]

Progress Tracker - Frano Vlašić - 2023 - 2025

He is an academy product from Sesvete but he is a real player . I want to show his progress. A lot of teams are trying to get him, so this could be one of his last seasons with us.

He has made a very well-spread progression over two seasons

Should do something about his determination drop.

edit: I got a cutout for Frano , so he finally has his real face now.

 

Edited December 12, 2022 by OlivierL

[russ the womble]

Sacked after 17 seasons with one promotion. Ah well.. Not much loyalty from the board!

[Barnsley]

12 minutes ago, russ the womble said:

Sacked after 17 seasons with one promotion. Ah well.. Not much loyalty from the board!

thats brutal   all that effort and time put in

[Daddy]

2024/25 Season Review:

I was hoping for upper-mid table but when things started spiraling at the midpoint I was just hoping to get out of it and stay above relegation. Fortunately we did that. The schedule, thin and aging squad, and injuries really made things tough. Some younger players got some playing time, but they're not up to first team standard yet.

Unfortunately had a training downgrade due to technology thing very early in the save. No money to bump it back up hurts too. 

Youth Intake:

Another very high potential intake with one player ready for some first team minutes. That will definitely help things out. It's not a particularly weak position for the squad, but he will definitely get minutes.

2025/26 Season Preview:

The goal as always is to not get relegated. Last season I was hoping for upper midtable. I still think the potential is there.

[russ the womble]

27 minutes ago, Barnsley said:

thats brutal   all that effort and time put in

Honestly a bit frustrating as it was always going to be a struggle. Just had a couple of good youths coming through. Maybe I messed up my tactics trying to be more solid.

[WhiteCat33]

5 minutes ago, russ the womble said:

Honestly a bit frustrating as it was always going to be a struggle. Just had a couple of good youths coming through. Maybe I messed up my tactics trying to be more solid.

Bummer to see your journey end. The boards this year are really cruel when you get relegated after a promotion even if the bookmakers odds say you'll go down. 

[Feliks]

Amazonas FC
2023 Season

Results
Brasileiro Série C
First stage: 4th | Second stage: 3rd in Group A

Amazonas State Championship
League stage: 2nd | Playoff: Runners up

Copa do Brasil
Lost in First Round

Copa Verde
Lost in Final

Transfers

Squad

Squad Overview

Best Eleven

(4-1-4-1) Fernando Caixeta; Gabriel Paulino, Lucao, Luis Gustavo, Malcoon; Danilo Bahia; Italo, Eduardo Ramos, Juliano, Rael; Rafael Tavares

Youth Intake

Jose Rafael (YP01a) | Lorran (YP01b) | Vinicius (YP01c) | Paulo Roberto (YP01d) | Alex Sandro (YP01e)

Finance & Facilities

Next Season's Expectations

History

Tournament History

Year  League                  State                    Continental              Cups                            
2022  Serie C, 3rd            Amazonas, 2nd                                     Copa Brasil 1R, Copa Verde RU

Player History

Year   Captain                 Vice Captain           Highest Rating               Top Goalscorer
2022   Luis Gustavo            Juliano                Juliano (7.46)               Eduardo Ramos (30)

Other History

Year   Balance   Capacity  Avg Att.    STH   Facilities
2022     -£27k     11,000     1,906    242   Basic training, basic youth, fairly basic academy, basic recruitment

 

[russ the womble]

 

We go again  

Edited December 11, 2022 by russ the womble

[ludak]

An end has come to another season for me and OFK Beograd, this one is the best one yet!

 

I've had some great and wild games, but in the end it just wasn't enough. 

The board sold a few young players but one that hurt the most at the time was the sale of Karanović. Knowing that I'll have the same issue over and over again I tried to help myself by selling the clause.

 

We've made some money, so the balance is around 300k, and that should be enough for the board not to sell players for 200 euro.

 

Pantić  Ratković  Mlakar  Đorđević  Vasiljević

Some fine talent has come into the team, but I think I'll lose most of them to Partizan and Crvena Zvezda.

 

Cvetković , Dunjić and Lučić are the players that improved the most and have established themselves as important players for the team. Still, the best are still Marko Keča and Luka Ristivojević who have carried us these 3 seasons.

 

The expectations for next season are none, I would like to go up, but the only reason for that is to get a professional status. 

 

Thats all for now, see you at the end of next season, hopefully without any stupid board deals.

 

 

 

 

[The7Striker]

ACS Academia de Fotbal Viitorul Cluj

 

Manager:

Spoiler

Founded in 2013 with the aim of becoming the best youth academy and training center in Eastern Europe, Viitorul does not only focus on the physical development of the players, but also in their development as individuals.
Some good players, playing not only in Romania, like Darius Oroian, but also players who went abroad, like Raul Steau are good examples of the successful strategy adopted by the club.
In real life youth categories such as Under 16-U19 are having a lot of success with some trophies on resume.

Lets see how it goes in FM 
 

Edited December 11, 2022 by The7Striker

[grff]

Royale Union Tubize-Braine: 2035/36 Season Review

An interesting season as we went deep in the European Conference League, making it to the semi-finals before losing to compatriots and evential winners Club Brugge.

Our league campaign was frustrating once again as we scraped in to the European Group and only just managed to qualify again for the European Conference League. I feel that the fixture schedule was too much for the squad we had.

 

Some encouraging stats for the season as our goals record was broken thanks to the extra European games.

Fantastic news on the youth front as two previous recruits came first and second in NXGN rankings. The intake for this year was pretty underwhelming as only a handful made the grade.

 

Transfers out. A little bit of income from transfers out plus the European prize money meant we've been able to improve the facilities once again.

Season history...

[XaW]

       

XaW - Marine A.F.C. - Season 2032/33 (Season 10) - Premier League

Squad | Transfers | Finances

Another mid-table season, and I'm more than happy with that. Working on improving facilities and expanding the stadium is the key things now, as well as getting rid of the dead wood that has been with us for too long. Not much more details to give for this season, so I thought I'd present my current first 11:

Goalkeeper: Louis Stott 26j - My goal scoring goalkeeper is now up to a career total of 55 goals. He is a decent Premier League player, and I'm happy to have him for a long time still. First choice for Australia as well.
Right back: Kyle Bain 26i - I want to use him a central defender, but we don't have any great right backs, so he will play there until we get one. He is really good, but not especially willing or good going forward. Regular for Northern Ireland.
Central defender: Richard Howell 28c - Really happy with this player even if his tackling is a bit lacking,
Central defender: Howard Meek 25c - Not a bad defender, but I'd rather have Kyle Bain 26i here if I had a better full back.
Left back: Malam Mendes 28d - Not a bad player, but we could use an improvement here long term.
Defensive midfielder: Jordon Exell 27b - Better on the ball than off, but still a nice playmaker from the deep. Not amazing though, and I'd take an improvement here if possible.
Central midfielder: Gary Mensah 25e - A good and balanced midfielder I'm more than happy with.
Central midfielder: Jake Hardcastle 28b - Became first choice this season and is also a good midfielder.
Right winger: Rhys Thorley 28e - Plays decently, but I'd rather have a quicker player here if possible.
Left winger: Mason Darlow 27e - I had higher hopes for this player, but he is a good option still.
Striker: Ousmane Bangoura 26c - The best player at the club, my only issue is his trait to pass rather than score and low finishing, but still a great player.

Lots of more improvements was approved this season:

We are also expanding the stadium and will play at Anfield next season.

And we are looking to get Youth Category 1!

I've also managed to get in some affiliate clubs and are working to join with a lot of the fun teams around the world. Either with foreign youth players or teams I've played with before and I think I've gotten in some fun ones.

Berchem Sport is a team I've played with in Belgium.
Chester is just for domestic loans, not a fun one.
Viktoria Köln is a nice German team with lots of newgens from different nations
Oriental Dragon is a Portuguese team that has Chinese newgens!
SKV Syrien Wien is an Austrian team with Syrian newgens!
Zhejiang is out financial affiliate

Will expand this list whenever the board allows it!

FA Cup: We beat Wrexham before we lost to Manchester United in the 4th round.
League Cup: We lost to Wolves in the 2nd round.

U21 Team:

They finished 6th in the U21 Division 3 this season.

EFL Trophy: They got a group with Stockport County, Notts County, and Accrington Stanley.  They finished 1st and qualified for the knockout rounds. There they beat Crewe before they lost to Tranmere in the 3rd round.

U18 Team:

They moved up from the  U18 Professional Development League South to the U18 Premier League this season where they finished 12th

FA Youth Cup: They beat Nottingham Forest, Sheffield United, and Sunderland before losing to Arsenal in the 6th round.
U18 Premier League Cup: They got a group with West Brom, Blackburn, and Chelsea, but lost all matches and finished bottom of their group.

Youth intake:

Trophy cabinet

League One - 1 (2028/29)
Vanarama National League - 1 (2026/27)

EFL Trophy - 1 (2028/29)
FA Trophy - 1 (2025/26)

U18s - National U18 League South East - 2 (2025/26, 2026/27)

Player statistics:

Most apps for the clubs

Name			Nation		2nd Nation	Apps
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Eden Mboyo 24g		England		DR Congo	384
Louis Stott 26j		Australia	England		367
Maine Croasdale 24f	England		Ireland		363
Howard Meek 25c		England		<N/A>		342
Gary Mensah 25e		England		<N/A>		316

Most goals for the club

Name			Nation		2nd Nation	Goals
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ousmane Bangoura 26c	Scotland	Guina		128
Cyril Madu 25h*		England		Nigeria		117
Martin Rigo 27d		Slovakia	England		72
Louis Stott 26j		Australia	England		56
Gary Mensah 25e		England		<N/A>		45

*No longer at club

Most assists for the club

Name			Nation		2nd Nation	Assists
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ousmane Bangoura 26c	Scotland	Guina		80
Mason Darlow 27e	England		Ireland		61
Gary Mensah 25e		England		<N/A>		53
Rhys Thorley 28e	England		<N/A>		47
Cyril Madu 25h*		England		Nigeria		39

*No longer at club

Supporters:

Summary:

[MacronQLF]

Respect to all coach out here there is a lot of mad results going on and it's impressive to see career this long this early in the game, keep up the good work lads!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 11, 2022 by MacronQLF
i posted twice

[MacronQLF]

TECOS FC END OF THE SEASON 2027-2028 (mexican 2nd division)

 

Oh **** here we go again, back to first division boy after 3 rough years in the second league !

We manage to keep the same team at the start of the year which helped a lot in the early season, we've thrown a lot of youngsters in the first team as the injuries sadly piled on but it was a bad thing for a good think as they did good and never got back to u20, 

WIth a good run of form we managed to get in playoffs in good position for the opening stage which we won !

Spoiler

I was starting to think i will never be able to perform with the team so it improved my morale as well, i got more focused in the tactics and i was more motivated for the end of the season,

Despite the lost of our best midfielder ( sadly an other sell when my board don't want to speak with me and just sell him ) i did little tweaks that helped tacticaly and we steamrolled the second part of the championship

Spoiler

So we won the closing stage too , a perfect year for us and for our very young team, 

The success of this year was probably thanks to our keeper too, we struggled for 5 years with a very bad keeper and we got a promising youngster who got his place in the first team so we conceded a lot less goal than previous years

Here the team:

Spoiler

No players will be highlighted this year as i have quality but not a outstanding player

For the youngsters that came in the club it's not a bad or a good year just average players who can maybe fit in the first team if they improve a lot but i was expecting more 

Spoiler

For the transfers except a good midfielder we kept everyone and i hope it will be the same next year

Spoiler

Next year i will do my best to keep the team in the first division and i swear i won't fail this time !

[Daddy]

2025/26 Midseason Review:

Doing about what I was expecting. The top of the league teams beat us, the bottom we beat. Seem to split the teams in the middle. I played a few more matches after that screenshot was captured and I noticed some xG wonkiness so I decided to check out the xG table.

That confirmed some suspicions. Primarily that my Keeper and defense just isn't talented enough. The goals for xG isn't too worrying something like -3 could just as easily be +3. I don't expect anything to dramatically improve on the defense but slight improvement along with the offense picking up a few more and we'll stay in the playoff hunt. If the scoring gets worse we wind up more midtable. 

Intake Preview:

Same hope as last season, there is not immediate pressing need (despite what's outlined above) but I would love to have a player come in at any position ready to take first team minutes. My keeper is 4.5 yellow stars. The defense is all 2.5-4 yellow stars. I'm not forced to play people out of position or fundamentally not ready. Just not good enough. 

[Constantine]

OFK Beograd

With World Cup out of the way, without any further distractions, I was finally able to wrap up first season with OFK.

And it was a successful one.

Nearly bottled it near the end, Rad took over as the leader after Round 33 but they imploded and we finally strung up few wins so The Romantics goes up as champions!!

In the Cup, we were utterly embarrassing, suffering elimination in the first qualifying round.

 

Top players:

Luka was lethal this year, topped the league's scoring chart with ridiculous 34 goals scored.

 

Driving creative force in our team. 14 assists this season.

 

Out of necessity, turned into central defender. And he was brilliant at it.

 

Class of '24

Eleven players signed from our first intake, all of elite and top talent basically. Not that many great or even decent personalities but there's couple of interesting players nonetheless...

 

Top prospects:

Great looking young goalie. With our #1 currently aged just 23 years old, Marko will have enough time to develop on his own. No hurry.

 

Intriguing prospect with great mental attributes for his age.

 

Now this young man will definitively get some playing time next season. We do lack some players on the wings. Best of this group, IMO.

 

That's all for now. Cheers.

 

 

[DazRTaylor]

End of Season Review

Season 2023/24

Stafford Town

Season Summary

A decent if unspectacular season with a mid table finish and a first round cup exit.

Season Details

League Table - A mid table finish is good enough, though our form has been dreadful of late.

League Fixtures 1 & 2 - We were superb up until December and were in a playoff spot.  Then we fell of a cliff.

First Division Cup - A narrow home defeat to Cheadle Heath Nomads, who play in our division, eliminated the club at the first time of asking.

Friendlies - It was a very tough pre season campaign as we lost seven of our ten games.

Squad - As we only had three players for much of the season, the youth intake was very welcome indeed.

Squad Dynamics - Everyone loves everyone else.

Transfers In - None.

Transfers Out - None.

Youth Candidates - The intake was always going to be good on paper as we had so few players and it didn't disappoint, with Irish striker Christofer Zettl YP24A1 already a star player for us.

Finances - We lost money this year though are still in the black and have improved our youth academy significantly.

Key Players

Ben Douglas - Our best defender for the entire season, he has agreed a new contract for next season.

Kostas Delizisis - Defender who was out of his depth before the youth intake arrived.

Kartell Tolson - Another defender and the third and final player we had for most of the season.  Let's just say that he isn't very good.

Karim Okereke YP24M13 - The striker has made an excellent start to his career, hitting four goals in just five appareances.

Neil Briggs YP24O15 - Playing on the right wing, the academy graduate has also made a great start to his playing career.

Next Season

Now that I have a squad, an improvement and a top ten finish would be great.

Personal Contract

Season     Contract Start Date     Contract Expiry Date     Pre Tax Wage     Post Tax Wage
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At start          25 June 2023             30 June 2024         £325 p/w          £300 p/w
2023/24           25 June 2023 =           30 June 2024 =       £325 p/w =        £300 p/w =

Personal Coaching Data

Season     Reputation            Qualifications     Att   Def   Fit   GkD   GkH   GkS   Tac   Tec   Men   WWY   Ada   Det   PlK   YoK   LoD   MaM   Mot
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At start   Minimal   (0.25*)     None                 1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     1     4     1     1     1     4     1     1     1
2023/24    Minimal = (0.50*) ↑   National C ↑         5 ↑   5 ↑   2 ↑   1 =   1 =   1 =   5 ↑   5 ↑   5 ↑   4 =   1 =   4 ↑   4 ↑   6 ↑   2 ↑   5 ↑   5 ↑

Club Facilities

Season     Training Facilities  Youth Facilities  Youth Level  Corporate Facilities  Junior Coaching  Youth Recruitment  Club Reputation
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At Start   Poor                 Poor                   0       Fairly Basic          Basic            Limited            Obscure   (0.50*)
2023/24    Poor =               Poor =                 0 =     Fairly Basic =        Adequate    ↑↑↑  Average ↑↑↑        Obscure = (0.50*) =

Season Record

Season     Played     Won     Drawn     Lost     Goals For     Goals Against     Goal Difference     Win Percentage
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2023/24      39        11       11       17           63             84                 -21              28.21%

Overall Career Record

After Season   Played     Won     Drawn     Lost     Goals For     Goals Against     Goal Difference     Win Percentage     Time At Club
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2023/24          39        11       11       17          63              84                 -21               28.21%            308 days

Transfer Sale Record

Date               Player                    Position               Club Sold To                 Country                   Transfer Fee
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Trophy Haul

Season     Competition Won
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Trophy Cabinet

League Titles
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Cup Competition Victories
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Career Overview

Season     Champions League    Europa League    Europa Conference League        League                                          Position     F.A. Cup                    League Cup        Achievements
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2023/24           N/a               N/a                    N/a                  North West Counties League Division One South     12th          N/a                          N/a           Solid mid table season.  First Division Cup first round.

Record Number of Appearances (Players From The Academy Only)

Season     Player                    Cumulative Number of Appearances
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2023/24    Jamey Mallaband YP24D4                      6

Record Goal Scorer (Players From The Academy Only)

Season     Player                    Cumulative Number of Goals
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2023/24    Karim Okereke YP24M13                  4

Record Number of Assists (Players From The Academy Only)

Season     Player                    Cumulative Number of Assists
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2023/24    Calvin Murphy YP24K11                   3

Record Number of Clean Sheets (Players From The Academy Only)

Season     Player                    Cumulative Number of Clean Sheets
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2023/24    No one                                     0

 

 

 

 

 

[Sn00gle]

Looks better then last season.

[ludak]

And yet another one is finished.

 

I've lost some games that I shouldn't have. Last 9 games before the split I hade a score 1-3-5, so it was no surprise that we finished 11th. But in the playout we've won them all and set the record for points.

 

 

Trifković Savić  Zlatković Maričić  Đurić

 

I was lucky this year as the board didn't sell anyone, but that was because I protested every transfer.

 

Lučić Dunjić Cvetković Pantić Katerinis

These are the best players that I have at the moment, and it looks like I could step up next season, but if not I wouldn't be upset, 

 

See you at the end of next one.

[Weed07]

Nantwich Town - Season One 23/24

Conference North

Managed to get through my first season and it was a difficult one.

We started with a decent sized squad and learning from past mistakes on FM22 i offered contracts to everyone i could so we didn't lose players but it still happened, a couple of players retired, some wouldn't agree contracts, two agreed contracts but couldn't get work permits and left, one agreed a contract but then left to a club not in the leagues for less money and by the time the season started we had 16 players at the club making rotation impossible. The season preview predicted us to finish bottom with odds of 600/1 to win the league.

Based on the lack of quality in the squad i tried playing defensive but that didn't work, i tried counter attacking, then possession but nothing could get results and we had 1 win in the first 10 games and i knew it would be a long season. Everytime i thought i had a tactic i was happy with and picked up a win we would go on another poor run. We lost in the FA Cup 3rd qualifying round and the FA Trophy second round and when we hit December we were rock bottom of the league with 3 wins but only 7 points from the safety positions so we weren't adrift yet but the board arranged a meeting with me and gave me a month to sort it out or i would be sacked.

We got the youth intake preview which looked ok but i wasn't sure if i would be at the club to see them join.

Youth Preview:

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Needing to do something to turn the season around i decided to change tactics and go with the default Gegenpress tactics that the forums often say is overpowered, usually i prefer to create my own based on the players i have but desperate times and all that and i think that was the best decision i made as we managed to pick up a win and 3 draws during the month the board gave me and they were happy with that and didn't sack me, we still had a long way to go to get closer to safety but we were starting to hit some form and won 4 out of 5 games during February which got us off the bottom and back into the fight for survival and then our form was hit and miss but we were picking up points and looking much better.

I was still at the club for the youth intake which was something i had been looking forward to just for depth in the squad rather than getting good players because we desperately need rotation options.

The intake:

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The current ability of the intake wasn't great and none looked like they would go into the best 11 but some looked good enough as rotation options.

The stand outs to me were:

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Kayde Andrews, rated second best by my assistant but looks a decent back up to my only left winger

Matthew Hall, his determination is too low but he might be useful with his flair and dribbling while his speed, finishing, composure and off the ball look ok, he might be a decent striker for us next season

Kayle Davin, he comes in as our 5th best defender at the club on ratings but one of those better is my left back and one is my def mid so he will be my 3rd choice centre back and has the best chance of being a starter next season

 

Overall the intake was ok, around 7 look like they will be capable of being in and around the first team next season, mostly as cover and rotation options.

After the intake the rest of the season was very inconsistent but we still picked up points and were moving between safety and relegation and at one point hit 18th which was the highest we'd been all season but we were never safe and it went to the last game of the season where we beat the bottom side at home and survived finishing 20th, 3 points above relegation. It was a hard year and it was only really after the new year when we started picking up the points, usually its the other way around but i think perhaps teams started seeing us as an easy win and attacked more which might have helped us.

The league table:

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League Positions throughout the year:

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I got two qualifications so my stats now show as:

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Unfortunately my board wouldn't upgrade any junior coaching, youth recruitment or facilities as we have no money, i'm going to need a good cup run i think as they seem like a stubborn board.

Heres some spreadsheet stats i've kept

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Club:

Season (End)

Training Facilities

Youth Facilities

Youth Level

Junior Coaching

Youth Recruitment

Corporate Facilities

Club Reputation

Professional Status

Stadium Capacity

Average Attendance

Season Tickets

Social Media Following

Bank Balance

Starting Info

Poor

Basic

4

Adequate

Basic

Basic

Local 1*

Semi-Pro

3500 (350)

-

233

813

£54,296.00

2023/2024

Poor

Basic

4

Adequate

Basic

Basic

Local 1*

Semi-Pro

3500 (350)

432

251

802

-£64,072.00

 

Season:

Season

Division

Position

Played

Wins

Draws

Defeats

Goals Scored

Goals Conceded

GD

Win %

FA Trophy

FA Cup

League Cup

EFL Trophy

Europa Conf

Europa

Champions League

2023/2024

Conf North

20th

46

12

12

22

48

71

-23

26.09%

2nd Round

Third Qualifying

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

N/A

 

Manager:

Season (End)	Reputation	Coaching Badge	Atk	Def	Fit	GKD	GKH	GKS	Tac	Tech	Men	WWY	Ada	Det	PK	YK	Disc	Man	Mot
Starting Info	Minimal 0.5*	None	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	4	1	2	1	1	2	2	1
2023/2024	Minimal 1*	National C & B	6	6	2	1	1	1	5	6	7	4	1	6	5	5	17	7	6

 

Next season, i think if we can play like we did the second half of the season with the addition of the youth players giving better rotaion options then hopefully we won't spend most of the year struggling again but i think we will still be in a relegation fight.

[JLAB]

Motor Lublin - Season 5 - Season Preview

Having only just avoided relegation last season, I was hoping that things would be smoother this season. Though the media are only predicting us to finish bottom of the table.

Marcel Złomańczuk is still considered our best player, and given he can still improve, things are rather exciting if he continues to develop.

Michał Król is still our 2nd best player and our captain. I don't, see him making any improvements from him, but it'll be nice to see him actually do well.

Damian Sędzikowiski has been a steward in midfield since I arrived and continues to show why he's highly regarded by the backroom staff.

Now though, I am going to go over some of the best young talents at the club. Robert Kowalski is going to be the striker I will be putting a lot of faith in going forward.

Mateusz Nowak is another player I will be putting a lot of faith in going forward on the left wings, even if I feel his personality needs some work from time to time.

One more person I want to talk about is my new assistant manager. Jan Siewert joined me and he looks really good as an assistant manager. I hope I can keep him for the rest of the save until someone better comes along.

JLAB's YAC with Motor Lublin Part 10

[XaW]

I'm having some issues with Erling Haaland and Man City...

[JLAB]

Motor Lublin - Season 5 - Winter Break

Having suffered a terrible season where we nearly got relegated last season, I knew that we needed to have a good start this season. So far things have been looking good. 

As for the league table, we've been having a good season so far. Not in a relegation fight and continuously trying to ensure we're fighting for either a top half finish or European football. It's been a good time.

The youth intake preview has promised us multiple players, and for that I am happy. It shares that the money we're pumping into the youth setup is worth it.

One player that has stepped up so far this season is Robert Kowalski. He's been improving rapidly and has been scoring plenty of goals as our new first-team striker. Things are looking up here.

JLAB's YAC with Motor Lublin Part 11

[russ the womble]

Real Jaen Season 1 (2023/24)

Promotion in season 1!

This is easier than the Norwegian league!

Finished in the last play off place, difficult second half of the season as we were in 2nd place and gradually drifted downwards, but won play offs with an extra time win.

This sounds great but the issue with the team is that success was built on the back of several veteran players who will need to be replaced in a year or so. I will likely have to keep them in place to try and survive, but not sure we'll do so, which means El Sackico may raise its head at some point..

Six players aged 33 and above - that's after taking a few other veterans out to give some youngsters a chance.

Notable Youths:

Sergio Gil

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10 goals this season including in the play off final, good potential and competing 

David Tristan
 

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Not quite good enough to start yet but has good progress and PA

New Youth Intake

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Good bunch of youths in for year 1

[fries]

1 hour ago, XaW said:

I'm having some issues with Erling Haaland and Man City...

So have I. I'm looking forward to his retirement.

[JLAB]

Motor Lublin - Season 5 - Youth Intake

Our latest youth intake arrived and it might be our best one in terms of potential. So many players that could end up being amazing. 

Piotr Wacławek is an exciting LB that we were told to expect and I am very happy with his attributes so far. He does need work, but he can absolutely develop with his personality.

Grzegorz Augustyn is a player that I am excited about, but also someone I will be training to play as a left winger for the inverted winger role, because he already has some knowledge of it. His personality is something we need to work on, but I know things 

Hubert Kalenik is also an exciting player that I plan on training to be a CM. His personality isn't amazing, but still not terrible.

The player I am the most excited about is Michał Podleśny who is a DM that can play as a CB. I plan on only using him as a DM, but I am pretty excited about him.

JLAB's YAC with Motor Lublin Part 12

[JLAB]

Motor Lublin - Season 5 - Season Review

The 2nd half of the season was not my favourite part of the season, I will be honest with you. We only picked up 4 victories in 13 games, so there was a lot of missed opportunities in here.

Having started the winter break in 6th place, I will be honest and say I am disappointed to have only finished in 8th place, despite the fact it is a Ekstraklasa top half finish for just the 2nd time of the save.

In other news, Robert Kawalski managed to make it into the NXGN top 50, making it the first time that one of my players has made it in there in the save. He ended up scoring 18 times in the Ekstraklasa.

Though I am sure you can say, he looks like an exciting player. This was Kowalski at the time he was named in the NXGN award for the first time.

Though I am just as excited about Marius Dąbrowski, who looks like he will be in the NXGN list next season at one point. He feels like a player who will be able to make it at some point given how good he is at 16.

Though my favourite victory of the season was when I somehow managed to win a game despite going down to 9 men. Sometimes, Football Manager can be fun.

JLAB's YAC with Motor Lublin Part 13

[JLAB]

Motor Lublin - Season 6 - Season Preview

We start the 6th season of the save as a side that for one is not predicted to finish in the bottom 2 for the first time so far.

Robert Kowalski has managed to become the best player of the team over the last season, which is a delight. I wonder how long I'll be able to keep hold of him though.

Marcel Złomańczuk is now considered the 2nd best player in the squad, which is a sign of our progression. Still, I would like some more development from him soon, or else he could become replaceable.

Michał Król is now our 3rd best player, but still our captain. He does have competition in the team, but so far hasn't been displaced.

JLAB's YAC with Motor Lublin Part 14

Edited December 12, 2022 by JLAB

[JLAB]

Sorry for the almost spam of posts, I was away and was still keeping uploads up to date. I just wasn't around to post the updates here. I'll try and have the end of this season done by Friday for what looks to be an exciting season.

[Feliks]

 

 

 

My first attempts ends after 2 seasons. Might go back to my comfort zone in Europe, but I'm not giving up on the challenge!

[helminho]

Table  -  League stats  -  Squad  -  Transfers

Some of the most important establish players: Fiorentino, Caterisano and Franzoni

The intake of Youth-candidates

Most promising youth-candidates: Manara, Russo and Thaqi

Trastevere against Tor Sapienza, Rome 2019

[russ the womble]

Pro tip: don't get promoted too early  We go again..

[Feliks]

Take 2, in this alternate universe Hugo Montgomery decides against heading to the middle of the Amazon rainforest and will instead join a Danish amateur side who have just been promoted to the fourth tier.

[WhiteCat33]

A.S. Luxembourgo Porto

Season 20 2042-43 BGL Ligue (Tier 1)

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Intro & Club | Season 1 | Season 2 | Season 3 | Season 4 | Season 5 | Season 6 |Season 7 |Season 8 | Season 9 | Season 10 | Season 11 | Season 12 | Season 13 | Season 14 |Season 15 | Season 16 | Season 17 | Season 18 | Season 19 |

World of Football 2040

Matches | Squad | Transfers |Facilities | Finances | Supporters

Competitions:

Conference League

In the make our break season we did it and qualified for the Group Stage! Compared to our previous bad-luck of Benfica and Notingham Forest the last two years having Hadjuk made this our easiest draw since we won the league 5 years ago. We made it count with a decisive 4-2 victory in the home first leg. Then we put on the breaks and held them to just 1 goal in Croatia to advance. Next we had Kalmar (Sweden), who were difficult, but my offense delivered to help us win both legs.

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With the way our league is, I could easily prioritize continental matches, and play my stars just enough domestically to keep them happy. We played fantastic in the group stage all things considered. We started off with two wins and a draw with the 2-1 victory of St Gallen being pretty spectacular considering my star Striker was injured. With him out for the next 4 group matches going 1-1-2 was great, and sufficient to qualify for knockouts at 15/36! In great news for LUX Swift Hesperange also was fantastic this season finishing 9/36 to advance as well. 

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In the knockouts we continued to get favorable draws including a couple of rematches. First we had Hammarby IF (Sweden) who we drew 1-1 in the league phase. While we lost 1-2 in Sweden, we came back in Luxembourg with a 2-0 win to advance! Then with Hungarian Kisvarda it was the reverse where we held onto our 3-1 win at home in the away fixture to advance with just the 1 GD again. In the Quarter Finals we faced a surprisingly strong Albanian side KF Tirana. We lost to them in the group stage and were soundly defeated here. 

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Cup

Back-to-back trophies for us, with the win being an ET victory over Swift. very late offensive subs saw my quick (but terribly skilled) backups wreak havoc on their dead-tired defense. And the best news, is this year this gets us Europa League Qualification! 

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League

With Europe I had to play lots of rotated squads and that meant 1.5-2* players vs my normal 3-4* so we dropped plenty of points, but still retained our 2nd place position.

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Youth Academy:

Youth Intake Preview

Much better

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Youth Intake

Definitely moving in the right direction with this intake with four Elite 5* prospects, one of whom looks very promising.

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Best Prospects

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The player to talk about is Guilherme Seco. Either-Footed, Professional CAM who is missing the mental part of the game but once we go professional and I can re-negotiate him to a full time contract I expect great things.

Poached Players

Our final Poached player appeared and he's a third Center back. No wonder I was having real trouble developing one until just now. He generates with a lot of 10-12 attributes, so at such a good club he could develop well. Showing updates on the other 2 as well. No senior starts, but Carlo Clement is well on his way to at least playing somwhere on loan, maybe at a lower Bundesliga club.

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Best XI

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Youth Products Highlights

 

Our GK has gotten the call-up to the Portugal U21 for the U21 European Championships as their backup GK. Maybe he will get a match? It's his last year of eligibility. The newest player to get Portuguese attention is our young CB Joao Valente 18e who is developing fantasticly. Here is the March callup-sheet where we are seeing a good representation with Luxembourg with our CB/DM Miguel Ribeiro 11g seeing his first CAP since gaining LUX nationality.

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Club Infrastructure

Season objective as achieved: recover Professional status! Even with all the money, we still don't have the option to increase Youth Facilities which is frustrating as they are still just Below Average. Instead of doing training facilities I decided to do a double increase in Youth Recruitment, so will have higher running costs but will keep our little hoard together. I don't want to risk going Semi-Pro again.

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Thoughts

Excel Season 1 - 15

I've saved the save! It doesn't show, but the vast majority of my starting XI contracts are set to expire in 2044 and without Full-Time status most wouldn't re-sign to a part-time contract. Had I not made the profit this year the team would have imploded.  Hopefully with Europa League group stage qualification is slightly more consistent so we can build our treasure-trove and begin to challenge for the domestic title. Our 'old' players are still only 25 as they've been starting since they were 16, so there is plenty of time left before anyone will need to be replaced. 

Edited December 12, 2022 by WhiteCat33

[libbyshuss]

Season Summary

Our 4th season in Serie A and our 4th season as the favourites to go down! And this one was the most satisfying season yet as we were completely bog average the whole season. But being closer to Eruope than relegation was a nice surprise, as was our 4-1 win against Milan. We're slowly getting better!

Players

Two breakthrough players for the first team this season:-

Armando Lika 35F - 20 year old Albanian left winger. Spent last season on loan in Albania and was really good, coming back a nice shiny 4 star potential. So I stuck him in our team and he repaid us with 7 goals and 4 assists in 36 games. Which is ok, if not earth shattering. But he also played 4 times for the national team and still has the potential to get better and better. 

Davide Vincenzi 37A - Goes to show how poor our options at centre back are - he;s our first choice at only 17 years old! looks like he could be a proper player as well 

 

Youth

I treated myself to a nice shiny new HoYD. he looks yummy!

so how well did he do on his first intake? well, not his really but, you know

 

A nice bunch of elite talents but they got crappy determination and personalities

look at this awesomely named English striker I got!

2 determination! i'd love for him to make it but i'm not convinced.....

Wonderkids

no official wonderkids and and nobody in the nxgn either. I could really do with some to move on to the next level but can't see where any will come from in the existing youth squad tbh 

Finances and Upgrades

interesting....

 

Career

[ludak]

We've done it!

 

Five years later, and I'm ready for the SuperLiga.

 

Some good prospects have showed up, I should be able to stay up next year.

 

 

 

Thats all for now, see you next season.

Edited December 12, 2022 by ludak

[m15k3BEAST]

I started youth challenge with OFK Beograd with two of my friends, but i found out about this topic just now. So, i just finished my 6th season and here is some quick resume so far. In my first season, in Prva liga Srbije, I finished first with ease. Here is League table from 1st season and some players from my intake, Kojic, Mladenovic and Stamenkovic. And the results of Kup Srbije.

In my second season I managed to get good results in Superliga Srbije but not so good in Kup Srbije and i don't have any intake pictures from that season and after, so I'm gonna just post some screenshots of my league tables and cup games until now, and then I'm gonna post some more detailed posts every season with detailed informations about everything. In my third season I got in relegation playoffs and finished 9th, and in Cup I got some luck and managed to get to Final. My 4th season was little worse so I was again in relegation playoffs and finished 10th and in Cup it was back to back finals where I lost to Crvena Zvezda. 2027/2028 was my best season as I managed to finish 3rd and qualify for Conference League, and again lose in Cup Final, now against Partizan. Next season I finished my journey in Cup very fast, as I lost in a Quarter Final, Partizan again. I was lucky enough to get into Conference League group stage, but I managed to get only 3 points from 6 games. So many games in season was too much for my players, so I struggled to get any good results in Superliga and in the end was able to finish just as 8th. From that season, I got some nice intake.

 

[WhiteCat33]

So something happened that I've never experienced before. Luxembourg starts with literally 0 TV deals, which is logical considering the level of football in the country. For the first 20 seasons that never changed. However, when the new season started this happened:

Maybe the edited database had a $0 TV deal for 20 seasons? Or maybe by reaching 2.5* Reputation league it triggers the game to add a TV deal? This kind of crazy jump was a very pleasant shock.

What has been increasing naturally with the increase in stature of the league is the prize money for both the league and cup, which is a reasonable amount for a tiny league and seriously dwarfed by this TV deal. For the cup we got $402k in total as winners, which is about the same as we got for 2nd place finish in the league.

Interestingly we are lagging behind a lesser club in Sponsorship income (they were 7-4 for the past 10 years), but again these are all relatively reasonable

Assuming this broadcast revenue is shared somewhat evenly (unsure where I can see that?) I fully expect to see the top half of the league turn professional over the next few years, which will be exciting to keep the challenge up! Again, I never expected this level of a domestic league development when i started this save. I thought it would be like Malta where even with a Tycoon takeover no team could maintain professional status / continually bring in good players. 

[hubwub]

Just have to beat Flamengo to get to the final of Copa CONMEBOL Libertadores!

[hubwub]

Club Comunicaciones - Liga Profesional de Fútbol - 2026

Youth Intake

Who do I think will be the top prospect? Well it's Juan Flores 26F.

Spoiler

I now have two Roberto Garcias on my team.

I wished my intakes weren't so stacked on the AM and ST positions.

[hubwub]

It wasn't meant to be. Lost 3-1 in the first leg. Went 1-1 in the second leg. FLAMENGO TOO STRONG!

[The7Striker]

Sacked. Team did not have quality for the second tier.