IF,IW not staying narrow as asked.

[Andrew Marines]

As a perfectionist in this game, i always try to create the best possible scenario for what i wanna do. While creating, watching some opposition tactics, i noticed that a lot of times, players that should come narrow to support/move into channels don't do that. While testing with this, even with the PI "stay narrower" i didn't end up with the results i wanted.

ONLINE MATCHES(THE PLAYERS WERE PLAYING AS IW, IF AND TALKING WITH THE MANAGERS I FOUND OUT THE SECOND SCREENSHOT HAD STAY NARROWER WHILE THE RED DON'T):

Playing like this, if not intended(usually managers do this when opposition is pressing a lot narrow) will just remove passing options to your build-up pahse(but honestly the problem is with any phase of the game).

So i started with a bit of testing:

IF-S:

 

 

Even if in their side of the pitch, the player will stay still too wide(THIS EXAMPLE IS WITH AN IF-A):

 

It's difficult to manage a good possession system when your players behave like that. so i tried with a more exotic role: the Trequartista.

While obviously roaming from position, we can see differences between the roles:

Even in his own side of the pitch, we can see him staying narrow opening space for the wingback.

In possession

Another in possession

Even if i won't post screenshots, even the Wide-Target man will come narrower as a trequartista.

i don't know if all of these is intended but it's making a lot more difficult to create possession/positional play systems

 

 

Edited August 23, 2022 by Andrew Marines

[Andrew Marines]

Before i forget:
This is the tactic. Just used the preset swapping AP-MEZ and Be more Disciplined.

EDIT: Changed the CF to a Poacher. Forgot to change it in this screen

Edited August 23, 2022 by Andrew Marines

[Aoyao]

tips

 

half space

Edited August 23, 2022 by Aoyao

[Andrew Marines]

10 minuti fa, Aoyao ha scritto:

tips

 

half space

I'm fairly aware of the concept of half space and still can't understand what this comment should mean

[(sic)]

39 minutes ago, Andrew Marines said:

I'm fairly aware of the concept of half space and still can't understand what this comment should mean

Don't worry about them, their comments usually don't make any sense (at one point I thought it was a bot spamming forums).

 

I've often found that Stay Narrow or Stay Wider PIs have very little impact on players positioning (sadly). You can obviously notice it, but in real life you often see wide players hugging the line or coming inside acting as AMs in FM would (occupying the half-space). You can somewhat get around it, using Roam From Position, leaving them space to move into in the middle, even using playmaking roles. What also helps is having a WB on Attack duty, pushing forward much earlier, so the advanced wide player moves more central earlier on, but it's never gonna work 100% how it should.

 

[Andrew Marines]

38 minuti fa, (sic) ha scritto:

Don't worry about them, their comments usually don't make any sense (at one point I thought it was a bot spamming forums).

 

I've often found that Stay Narrow or Stay Wider PIs have very little impact on players positioning (sadly). You can obviously notice it, but in real life you often see wide players hugging the line or coming inside acting as AMs in FM would (occupying the half-space). You can somewhat get around it, using Roam From Position, leaving them space to move into in the middle, even using playmaking roles. What also helps is having a WB on Attack duty, pushing forward much earlier, so the advanced wide player moves more central earlier on, but it's never gonna work 100% how it should.

 

We can see it just with Trequartistas, APs and Wide-Target Forwards. the other roles seem to not care about the pI and it's honestly stressing

Edited August 23, 2022 by Andrew Marines