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Has anyone seen Red Army? Incredible documentary, one of the very best I've seen.

It's about the USSR ice hockey team of the 1980s, who later...well I won't ruin it for you, just watch it. Beautiful story about a beautiful playing style.

Long story short...just gorgeous fluid ice hockey. Interwoven movements, impossible to track.

 

I'm bored of other systems I've set up and now I want to do this! I'm one year in, with Arsenal. Finished 4th and these are the tactics it started with.

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It's based on 2 units - 6 and 5. The 6 are the defenders, so Matuidi, Partey, Gabriel, Süle, Tomi and Ramsdale. They're all told to hold position and they're there to support the front 5.

The front 5 (I include the IWB-A in this group) should have überfluid movement between them. All criss-crossing and causing havoc.

Anyway the tactic evolved a little through the season and I suppose it ended up like this.

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The fluidity is now structured, not sure how much that goes against what I want. I want fluid movement but I want it from a certain group.

Anyway the question is now 1) what can I do to improve this tactic? 2) Where do I go from here into the 2nd season?

I'm playing around with a few ideas but I'm loathed to commit cos I'm fumbling around in the dark a bit.

I could do this? 

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Anyway, anybody have any thoughts? The football played by these tactics is gorgeous, obviously. Wowowow.

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3 hours ago, jackane24 said:

The fluidity is now structured, not sure how much that goes against what I want

Team Fluidity just counts the number of support duty players you have.

3 hours ago, jackane24 said:

what can I do to improve this tactic?

Difficult to say, you’ve already used all of the Team Instructions.

And perhaps therein lies the point - it’s practically impossible to advise to add this or remove that because with essentially everything already thrown at the tactic nobody can really say why something may or may not work and therefore can’t say what you could do to make improvements.  However:

3 hours ago, jackane24 said:

The football played by these tactics is gorgeous

As that’s the case, don’t make any changes.  Just buy better players as and when you get enough funds 👍.

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Red army was a good film. I don't know too much about hockey but Fetsisov or how ever it is spelt was the prince of defenders. He's probably that IWB attack or an Attacking Sweeper. 
 

The Soviets played an attractive attacking game. So you probably want to look at how man city play. I also think they probably played 'two way hockey', so you will need roles that expect your attackers to contribute heavily to defensive actions.

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  • 4 weeks later...

So I've had a bit of free time and loaded up a Brentford save. Going into my 4th season I started to use this idea again and I'm currently set up like this.

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And after a few months of getting used to the tactic, I've just had this game.

 

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Ok, only Maribor, but a hat-trick from my LB. Absolutely over the moon with that. Quite an astonishing hat-trick too, wow he's incredible. Been playing Pedro Porro there but just brought in Gomez for one game and now he's my clear #1 there.

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I really like the look of the new 4-4-1-1, looks very interesting.  Hell of a lot of instructions though like Herne already said.  The only thing that would make me a bit nervous is how attacking your right side is, 2 attack duties and the aggressive wingback behind them.  I can see the overload from this being fantastic against weaker teams, but you could get caught out defensively against better opposition.  Situationally switching to a regular fullback on support or a wingback defend would probably work if you see that happening in matches though.  I am curious to know if you have any PIs on the WM-a (or indeed other players) and how many goals/assists your IWB-a gets over the course of a season.  Good luck though, looks like a lot of fun, you could test the tactic with less instructions to see if it still plays the same way and/or have a simpler version for certain types of opposition.

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This topic really got me thinking. There is something that I would like to try in FM. But, unfortunately, I don't understand enough about ice hockey in order to try and implement my theory. Can anyone point me in the direction of an idiots guide to ice hockey  so that I may be able to try it out?

Granted, this thread has given me a few ideas, but I am just not familiar enough with the game in general to take it further.

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I don't know ice hockey either. I just went for roles with dribbling and movement. I'd like to somehow get a Treq or Shadow Striker in here.

So I got rather addicted to this long-term save. I had to uninstall it cos it was too distracting...

IIRC I came 6th, 6th, 5th, 4th (also won FA Cup), 4th (won the Champions League) and then won the league easily (along with Super Cup and Carabao Cup), but only 87pts. No Klopp, no Pep, no Mourinho, just a terrible league. Arsenal spunked all their money up the wall (what's new?) and the league is barren. Man Utd just finished 15th or so. Chelsea came in 2nd with 75pts or so. Very empty achievement. Got knocked out in the 1/4s of the CL due to last minute Man City equaliser.

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So, to answer some questions...

On 19/06/2022 at 13:00, WhyMe said:

I really like the look of the new 4-4-1-1, looks very interesting.  Hell of a lot of instructions though like Herne already said.  The only thing that would make me a bit nervous is how attacking your right side is, 2 attack duties and the aggressive wingback behind them.  I can see the overload from this being fantastic against weaker teams, but you could get caught out defensively against better opposition.  Situationally switching to a regular fullback on support or a wingback defend would probably work if you see that happening in matches though.  I am curious to know if you have any PIs on the WM-a (or indeed other players) and how many goals/assists your IWB-a gets over the course of a season.  Good luck though, looks like a lot of fun, you could test the tactic with less instructions to see if it still plays the same way and/or have a simpler version for certain types of opposition.

I didn't find too much trouble down either wing in particular tbh. But my RCB is Lacroix, just finished 2nd in the Ballon D'Or, and my RWB is (was, I have Livramento now) Kimmich. Sometimes I change him to a WB-D.

Tbf the only games I typically lose in a season now are away vs the big teams, so I do find it has a few defensive frailties, but the offense can overcome them sometimes.

FB-S could be a good role, not something I've tried.

Yes a fair few PIs and more importantly PPMs.

ML, MR, LB, RB all have tighter marking. MCR is set to close down more, tackle harder and mark tighter.

Porro is set to Get Forward Whenever Possible, Tries Killer Balls, Arrives Late, Cut Inside From Left and for him I've done Shoots With Power as I think it suits him better personally.

LCB is set to Stay Wider. Close Down Less is something I've done as well.

RCB is also Close Down Less.

LM I might have screwed up and not had it selected all this time, but Gets Further Forward. I also like my guy here to Cross Early.

MCL has to Stay Wider. Absolute necessity. Then he turns into a LB when your IWB goes bombing up the pitch.

My RM actually has no PIs apart from Tighter Marking. Roony's PPMs are pretty standard, I think his default. Cuts Inside From Right, Shoots From Distance, Runs With Ball Through Centre / Runs With Ball Often and 1-2s. I don't like Shoots From Distance but Roony pulls it off nicely so I've left it.

The AMC is the big piece of the puzzle. I couldn't work out what on earth to do with this guy. I tried different players, roles, PIs. I tried everything. Barely ever got 7.0+. I know that it's difficult to get the AMC to perform in FMs, Then one day I tried a PPM and it changed the entire team. Runs With Ball Through Centre. It was like a switch had been...switched. And the team just turned it up to 11. Wow amazing. Luka Romero started performing amazingly here for me, I think cos of his dribbling/flair/pace/balance together with that PPM. Not sure what PIs work best for this guy tbh, but at the very least Gets Further Forward. I bought Bruno Fernandes to play in this position, thinking I was treating myself to a godly AM, but he performed terribly. I think he registered 1 goal from open play and just a couple of assists all year. Dribbling 10, and his pace stats are around 13/14. Just can't play the role.

And my IWB Porro is incredibly annoying. He should score 30+ a season. But the finishing/technique/long shot stats are just too low. Porro will typically score 7 or 8 and pop up with 10-12 assists (including corners...). I'm sure if I learnt how to man manage him well, he could score 15 or so. But I'd need to find an incredible regen to retrain early on to reach 30+ goals a year I think, match engine won't allow it. I think my overall IWB stats are about 10-12 goals a year and 15 or so assists. Really fun player. Struggling to find many players who can play the role. Was retraining the Italian Pobega to play there. Wrong foot and a bit slow, but nice scoring stats and a bit more intelligent than Porro. Vranckx performed ok there for a bit, now I have Lamptey as a versatile sub and I'm sure he'd do ok there with that pace.

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