IW in transition, W in posssession

[mannyhams]

I play a counter attacking 4141 in my save (lower leagues) with a mid/deep block. I want my wingers to cut inside aggressively in transition when the opposition is pushed up and theres space to attack, but revert to traditional winger if the counter fails and we settle into possession.

What's the best way to achieve this in fm22's match engine?

My tactic has two attacking W, a DLF and a CM on attack, and the wingers do attack the box in transition when there's space, but very often it's the near corner. They'd get much better chances if they maneuvered themselves centrally in these moments, but afterwards they're more effective if they stretch the defense and stay wide, I think.

[khodder]

I think it might be best achieved by a central role that asks them to drift wide in possession.

 

But I'm not sure you're going to see exactly what you want to in the ME because of the limitations that it has.

[De Nile]

So I guess the main priority is attack centrally and cut inside so first how consistent is your tactic so you can more times than not allow your wingers to cut inside. What you can do is narrow your tactic and play a winger on attack or just play IW(a) and roam from position. IW has neither stay wider or narrow so roaming will help with movement between counter attacks.

[mannyhams]

9 minutes ago, khodder said:

I think it might be best achieved by a central role that asks them to drift wide in possession.

 

But I'm not sure you're going to see exactly what you want to in the ME because of the limitations that it has.

Sadness. I was thinking of experimenting by putting them both on IW but keeping them on the side of their strong foot, even though the ME complains about it. My thought is that I can keep the crosses and cutbacks this way while also encouraging them to attack the net when there's space. Before the winter patch, IW always ran wide anyhow... maybe now there will be a mix? Also I could experiment by putting them on support, but wary of losing aggressive runs behind the back line.

I guess another thing I could do is leave them on W but give the "roam from position" PI?

[mannyhams]

3 minutes ago, De Nile said:

So I guess the main priority is attack centrally and cut inside so first how consistent is your tactic so you can more times than not allow your wingers to cut inside. What you can do is narrow your tactic and play a winger on attack or just play IW(a) and roam from position. IW has neither stay wider or narrow so roaming will help with movement between counter attacks.

Awesome I thought about narrowing the tactic but then forgot. Ill play with these ideas, thanks!

IW on roam from position... since hes already instructed to come inside, does this mean he can roam even beyond? To like the opposite half of the pitch?? 

[De Nile]

2 minutes ago, mannyhams said:

Awesome I thought about narrowing the tactic but then forgot. Ill play with these ideas, thanks!

IW on roam from position... since hes already instructed to come inside, does this mean he can roam even beyond? To like the opposite half of the pitch?? 

No if you look at roam from position he will station himself to in a better position so as to be more effective in the role he is currently playing as so unless we have a role that travels to the opposite half of the pitch then don't expect for that to happen. If you want player swaps to occur then there is this video that explains it...

 

[mannyhams]

2 minutes ago, De Nile said:

No if you look at roam from position he will station himself to in a better position so as to be more effective in the role he is currently playing as so unless we have a role that travels to the opposite half of the pitch then don't expect for that to happen. If you want player swaps to occur then there is this video that explains it...

 

Gotcha and thx for the video, will give it a watch later.
I'm in preseason with a ton of new signings... I think what I'll do is experiment with one W and one IW, both on roam from position and on the same side as their strong foot, and see how they move against a poor team. If I'm very diligent Ill paste some gifs here to show how it works out.

Thanks!

[mannyhams]

Oh I suppose one other thing I can try is WMs with roam, get further forward, dribble more and cross more often PIs? They should have freedom to go wide or cut inside as they please?

[De Nile]

4 minutes ago, mannyhams said:

Oh I suppose one other thing I can try is WMs with roam, get further forward, dribble more and cross more often PIs? They should have freedom to go wide or cut inside as they please?

Yeah that can easily work but just remember your playing lower league football so be careful with the instructions and make sure your player is capable to do what you ask

[mannyhams]

11 minutes ago, De Nile said:

Yeah that can easily work but just remember your playing lower league football so be careful with the instructions and make sure your player is capable to do what you ask

Gotcha. Yeah I've got 4 wingers on the roster who are (relatively) athletic, talented on the ball, can cross, and at least average ability to pick out a pass. Good wingers for our level for sure. The only PI I think they could struggle with is "roam from position" because their decision making is probably not so great (don't have time to check until later). I guess in-game, if I notice that cutting either in or out is clearly not going to work, I can adjust the PI to make them do the other thing.

EDIT: I actually might not even need to use "roam from position" at all? Maybe the other PIs are enough... I think WM positioning is probably fine, it's just the cutting in or out that I want to see some variety in. The team plays with "Pass into Space" TI, so I think their movement will more often be dictated by where the ball has been placed for them, and with WM role they may be more willing to signal that they want to make an inside run from time to time.

Edited April 6, 2022 by mannyhams