goku4 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 I am really desperate and can not figure out, why for the love of god my GK constantly does hollywood-passes, when there are so many options for him... I started using a sweeper keeper first, but then noticed that he often tries to play through balls... Now, I am using a normal GK with the instruction to play "less risky balls". See screenshot for specific situation and GK instructions... I just can not understand it... Yes, my GK may have a low vision attribute (10), but cmon, these options in the following situation do not require someone like Ederson in order to see the options on the flanks... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Could you post up the analysis of the passes he makes in a game, please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poison Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Stats on GK please too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goku4 Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 24 minutes ago, Johnny Ace said: Could you post up the analysis of the passes he makes in a game, please? Hi mate, thx for your reply. Hope, this can help... I am really going mad... I mean, ok, I do not have the perfect sweeper keeper... but I think these spaces on the flank are so obvious that even a normal GK with lesser vision should see it... I see my opponents like Burnley etc. and I just wonder, how they are doing it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plcarlos Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Less Risk to a Goal-Keeper\Defender is to clear their lines. On that basis, the 2 CD's are risky, as the Forward could intercept. It's a very mis-understood instruction Passing around the defence is risky as a porr touch could lose the ball, an attacker could intercept etc. It's less risky to use the "If in doubt, hoof it out" less risky rule. More direct passing could add to the directness of the pass. Counter is a confliting instruction - Your asking the team to break when poseesion is won + Play direct (Possibly why He's looking to play a direct pass forward), but asking the Keeper to slow things down, which is more inclined to possesion football. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goku4 Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 19 minutes ago, Poison said: Stats on GK please too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goku4 Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 Here is another situation... It is so frustrating to see so much space on the flanks that could be exploited, yet neither my defenders, nor my CDM or GK see it... My CDM is a DLP (Ricci with 17 vision). I am playing with "Control" mentality and have max. width. I have my CBs and my CDMs on "balanced" passing... I dont know... I could remove "Play out of Defence", but then I am scared to end up with route-one football... I play with Brighton, finished 6th in the first season, 5th in the second and this particular game I won, even we were losing by 2 goals, but man, I will get a heart attack soon, because almost all goals we concede are always because of stupid build up play... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Thanks for that! There does seem to be a fair few long passes, sounds like you've done everything you can to ensure he passes short & plays out from the back A few things to consider: Even the best ball playing goal keepers like Ederson & Allison will take a long punt if they spot a good chance to up front You're asking him to Slow Pace Down in the Translation, so maybe he's holding on too long & the defenders are being picked up by opposition forwards in that time? Just looking at Rob Sanchez, his team work rating is pretty average, part of this attribute is how well he follows your instructions, so may just be doing his own thing rather than what he's been instructed to do His kicking is very good so he may prefer to kick long His Composure, First Touch & Technique aren't brilliant so he may not be very comfortable with the ball at his feet. Like you said, his Vision isn't amazing so he may think he's seeing a great opportunity to kick long when it's not I think so long as hes doing as you ask 70 to 80% of the time, he's doing alright Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goku4 Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, Johnny Ace said: Thanks for that! There does seem to be a fair few long passes, sounds like you've done everything you can to ensure he passes short & plays out from the back A few things to consider: Even the best ball playing goal keepers like Ederson & Allison will take a long punt if they spot a good chance to up front You're asking him to Slow Pace Down in the Translation, so maybe he's holding on too long & the defenders are being picked up by opposition forwards in that time? Just looking at Rob Sanchez, his team work rating is pretty average, part of this attribute is how well he follows your instructions, so may just be doing his own thing rather than what he's been instructed to do His kicking is very good so he may prefer to kick long His Composure, First Touch & Technique aren't brilliant so he may not be very comfortable with the ball at his feet. Like you said, his Vision isn't amazing so he may think he's seeing a great opportunity to kick long when it's not I think so long as hes doing as you ask 70 to 80% of the time, he's doing alright Thank you so much for your contribution- Yes, I really did everything. Do not try to read too much into the settings. As mentioned before, I have really tried out everything possible... I played around with the transition settings from playing to only FBs, to CBs, then CBs and FBs, play it to my playmaker etc... Only thing that I did not try out is to remove Play out of Defence... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goku4 Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 30 minutes ago, plcarlos said: Less Risk to a Goal-Keeper\Defender is to clear their lines. On that basis, the 2 CD's are risky, as the Forward could intercept. It's a very mis-understood instruction Passing around the defence is risky as a porr touch could lose the ball, an attacker could intercept etc. It's less risky to use the "If in doubt, hoof it out" less risky rule. More direct passing could add to the directness of the pass. Counter is a confliting instruction - Your asking the team to break when poseesion is won + Play direct (Possibly why He's looking to play a direct pass forward), but asking the Keeper to slow things down, which is more inclined to possesion football. Mate, this instruction was out of desperation, when I noticed that nothing somehow helps... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goku4 Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 Stats from my west ham game: changed following: removed play out of defence as TI, set my keeper as sweeper keeper (defend) and told him to play it to the FBs. TI is direct passing, however my CDM and FBs are on balanced and everyone else is on short passing. It seems like removing the play out of defence helped me extremely. 3 games, 3 won and most beautiful thing is that I did not concede even one goal when I was trying to play it out of defence and stupiditly lost possession... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fc.cadoni Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Positive mentality contrast the TI: Slow Pace Down and Direct Passing. GK must have "Take More Risk" PI. GK will throw the ball to CB because will have more option for passing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenz81 Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Not an expert, but I think if you tick playing out of defence, it's like a trait other teams will notice and probably put pressure on your back 4 stopping them from doing it. I have them impression that you should only tick options that your team is elite at, so they can 'bully' their way through teams. For weaker teams, being unpredictable (leave it to your players, not TI) is the one! As I said.... Not an expert 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fc.cadoni Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 hour ago, greenz81 said: Not an expert, but I think if you tick playing out of defence, it's like a trait other teams will notice and probably put pressure on your back 4 stopping them from doing it. I have them impression that you should only tick options that your team is elite at, so they can 'bully' their way through teams. For weaker teams, being unpredictable (leave it to your players, not TI) is the one! As I said.... Not an expert Agree. AI maybe see his Data Hub and passing routes from your side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goku4 Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 14 hours ago, greenz81 said: Not an expert, but I think if you tick playing out of defence, it's like a trait other teams will notice and probably put pressure on your back 4 stopping them from doing it. I have them impression that you should only tick options that your team is elite at, so they can 'bully' their way through teams. For weaker teams, being unpredictable (leave it to your players, not TI) is the one! As I said.... Not an expert Mate, that may be true, I agree with you, however, 95% of the AI teams, especially in PL, will do it anyway, no matter, whether you play out from the back or not... I just admire, how easily teams like Brentford, Watford can put me under pressure but at the same time play tiki taka out from the back themselves... I am not complaining, because I lose or so, as I just won the Europa League with Brighton in my third season and managed to finish 4th in the league, I just think that solving this proper issue mentioned in this thread would really simplify my game... There is so much space on the flanks and my GK, CDM, as well as CBs just ignore my full backs so often in the build-up play... Of course, it will be effective for the AI, when they put all their men upfront centrally and leave the flanks completely blank, when your own players just ignore that space... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjericho Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 On 28/02/2022 at 11:55, goku4 said: I don't think the ME considers those options as viable passing options for the GK, they are too far. At least I never see him make that sort of pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goku4 Posted March 1, 2022 Author Share Posted March 1, 2022 16 minutes ago, kingjericho said: I don't think the ME considers those options as viable passing options for the GK, they are too far. At least I never see him make that sort of pass. Well, I will provide you some screenshots from my next games, where every single AI keeper does these passes... especially wolves keeper when they play with 5atb... the wing backs are naturally positioned even wider and higher up the pitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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