More star confusion

[steve.battisti]

I'm sure this has been asked and answered a million times before, but can someone help me understand the difference in star displays?

For example, I got a team report on a U18 team. They have a D(L) who shows in their squad list as 2 star current, 2.5 potential. But if I click into him and go to the attribute tab, he's a 3.5-star fullback. Obviously, players can have different ratings at different positions, but that's a really big difference. What gives? 

[fc.cadoni]

It depends of whom you have choose from that panel:

[XaW]

9 hours ago, steve.battisti said:

I'm sure this has been asked and answered a million times before, but can someone help me understand the difference in star displays?

For example, I got a team report on a U18 team. They have a D(L) who shows in their squad list as 2 star current, 2.5 potential. But if I click into him and go to the attribute tab, he's a 3.5-star fullback. Obviously, players can have different ratings at different positions, but that's a really big difference. What gives? 

It's different staff giving different opinions. If you have star rating in the team report it will be from the staff who made the report. If you open a player profile it will be the staff in the screenshot from @fc.cadoniwho has given their opinion.

Staff does not know the exact correct potential or ability, they have a perceived potential and ability that will be impacted by their judging abilities. So if two different ones have different ratings, the one with the highest judging ability is most likely to be correct, though both or either can be wrong. Even with 20 in both, they can be wrong.

[ImDaWeasel]

I have ignored the star ratings for years. 

If I went with star ratings then half my 3x Champions League winning Rangers team would not be playing for me and I would've missed out on 8-10 promising youth players that ended up help win said Champions Leagues that are now worth 10s of millions.

[steve.battisti]

2 hours ago, ImDaWeasel said:

I have ignored the star ratings for years. 

If I went with star ratings then half my 3x Champions League winning Rangers team would not be playing for me and I would've missed out on 8-10 promising youth players that ended up help win said Champions Leagues that are now worth 10s of millions.

Thanks for this. I’m working on better understanding attributes and looking at performance so I can ignore the stars more!

[steve.battisti]

6 hours ago, XaW said:

 If you open a player profile it will be the staff in the screenshot from @fc.cadoniwho has given their opinion.

Thanks for your feedback. So, if you open a player profile, which specific option is it looking at from that screenshot above? “Player reports”?

[XaW]

1 minute ago, steve.battisti said:

Thanks for your feedback. So, if you open a player profile, which specific option is it looking at from that screenshot above? “Player reports”?

I think so, for other players on other teams though it's usually by the scout who last scouted them.

[steve.battisti]

Another follow-up. 
 

So, if I get a scouting report like the one above that says Samuel Lie is 3.5 stars, does that mean he is 3.5 stars compared to the players on my team, or compared to the league as a whole?

[XaW]

49 minutes ago, steve.battisti said:

Another follow-up. 
 

So, if I get a scouting report like the one above that says Samuel Lie is 3.5 stars, does that mean he is 3.5 stars compared to the players on my team, or compared to the league as a whole?

I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's MOSTLY down to the rest of your team, but with a small impact from the league as a whole.

[crpcarrot]

18 hours ago, fc.cadoni said:

It depends of whom you have choose from that panel:

wait where do you find this?

[fc.cadoni]

4 minutes ago, crpcarrot said:

wait where do you find this?

Staff > Responsibilities > Advices & Reports

[du Garbandier]

 

2 hours ago, steve.battisti said:

Another follow-up. 
 

So, if I get a scouting report like the one above that says Samuel Lie is 3.5 stars, does that mean he is 3.5 stars compared to the players on my team, or compared to the league as a whole?

I see far too many scout reports in FM22 that say 'sign at any price', irrespective of whether the player is remotely interested in signing for us, or whether we can remotely afford him

[ImDaWeasel]

On 07/02/2022 at 14:33, steve.battisti said:

Thanks for this. I’m working on better understanding attributes and looking at performance so I can ignore the stars more!

Just comes with experience bud. Got to the point I don't trust my staff with anything. Even if my 20/20 scouts come back with someone 5 stars and a "must sign" I still doubt and look at him myself. Though I will say the consistency and big games pros and cons is the only thing I'll trust with them due to them being hidden attributes.

On 07/02/2022 at 15:50, steve.battisti said:

Another follow-up. 
 

So, if I get a scouting report like the one above that says Samuel Lie is 3.5 stars, does that mean he is 3.5 stars compared to the players on my team, or compared to the league as a whole?

Sure it is compared to your team and where your team is as a whole in the league if that makes sense. If you look at the report, the stars will be compared to players in your squad in that position the scout watched him in. 

If you're top of the league and the rating is 3 stars then he'll be a good player for your top of the league team. If your mid table and the rating is 3 stars he'll be a good player for your mid table side. Hope that helps.

[alian62]

FM Scout has a nice video   also on you tube , about how stars work and perceived 

[phd_angel]

On 07/02/2022 at 09:50, steve.battisti said:

Another follow-up. 
 

So, if I get a scouting report like the one above that says Samuel Lie is 3.5 stars, does that mean he is 3.5 stars compared to the players on my team, or compared to the league as a whole?

Not sure why, but once I hire a player, his rating often drops by half a star...

As others mentioned, be careful using star ratings as its based on the faulty opinion of staff (one reason to hire scouts with high scouting ratings!).

For example, I hired a striker with 2.5 star potential but excellent ratings. Once he joined and started scoring lots of goals, his stars went up to 3 star potential! See image:

 

 

[KingCanary]

I'm getting to the stage where I'd suggest SI should think about removing star ratings.

They are so prominent but also so variable and it really isn't clear what they are based on unless you come onto a forum like this for an explanation. Form seems to cause huge fluctuations in short time frames and in FM22 there seems minimal variation depending on the players role with a few exceptions. I'd argue they've become almost actively unhelpful. 

[crpcarrot]

isn't the scouts assessment more valid than the stars? they say its a good, very good, superb etc

[Baodan]

4 hours ago, phd_angel said:

Not sure why, but once I hire a player, his rating often drops by half a star...

At that point it changes from the scouts opinion to what ever staff member you have selected to provide you with their opinion.

[du Garbandier]

3 hours ago, Baodan said:

At that point it changes from the scouts opinion to what ever staff member you have selected to provide you with their opinion.

I sent my GK coach to scout my current goalie, because the original scout's trait ratings and overall assessment didn't make sense to me. The two reports were pretty much identical. (GK coach also has one of the best assessing ability/potential ratings on my staff -- 17 for both). After I backed my judgment and signed the goalie, he immediately displaced my first-choice keeper despite all the doom-saying. I'm still puzzled. 

Edited February 15, 2022 by du Garbandier

[ImDaWeasel]

On 15/02/2022 at 10:50, crpcarrot said:

isn't the scouts assessment more valid than the stars? they say its a good, very good, superb etc

Even the scout assessment (A-E) I wouldn't fully believe in. Signed a few C and D players and turned out to be world beaters. Only thing I trust highly rated scouts with is the consistency and big matches pros and cons. They have to be green or I ain't signing. The rest you can judge yourself with their attributes, personality and form.

[DarJ]

7 hours ago, ImDaWeasel said:

Even the scout assessment (A-E) I wouldn't fully believe in. Signed a few C and D players and turned out to be world beaters.

The final rating is a combination of scout rating and analyst rating so of the players has not play any games the analyst can't do anything so they give a low rating and even if the scout rate the players as an A when you combine that with the C or D the analyst will give because he hasn't played anything the final rating could be a C.

If I'm not wrong the scout rating also takes into consideration your transfer and wage budget so if the player is too far outside your budget the rating could be lower so it's not only based on the player's ability

[ImDaWeasel]

2 hours ago, DarJ said:

The final rating is a combination of scout rating and analyst rating so of the players has not play any games the analyst can't do anything so they give a low rating and even if the scout rate the players as an A when you combine that with the C or D the analyst will give because he hasn't played anything the final rating could be a C.

If I'm not wrong the scout rating also takes into consideration your transfer and wage budget so if the player is too far outside your budget the rating could be lower so it's not only based on the player's ability

I know how the rating works and its players that have played games that and analyst and scout have watched yet still gave him a C or D. These are players still well within the transfer and wage budget.

The star ratings and A - E ratings ain't everything. They can help inexperienced players for sure but if you want to get the best, the best judgement is your own experienced one imo.