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I started using this tactic with the Benevento game. I started the match with Balanced and they were up 2-0.  I then followed these instructions to make the tactic more attacking: 

 

On 30/01/2022 at 11:12, crusadertsar said:

mentality to Positive and making a few duty changes (switching the segundo volante to attack duty or make my left wingback more attacking). I also drop some team instructions (like work from the back that I mentioned before). Sometimes subbing out a player who is not doing well (rating below 6.5) and putting in a fresh replacement can work wonders in changing the dynamic of the match

They were up 3-1 and the change worked and we drew 3-3.  The Juventus game was one of the best comebacks ive experienced in FM21.  Check this XG story out:

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I Decided to be defensive since I'm facing a tough team - i made the wingback on the left into D duty. and Balanced mentality.  They were destroying us 3-0 after only 5 minutes.  I then followed the same instructions to make the tactic more attacking: Wingback(A), remove play out of defense, SV(A).  We managed to score a goal just before half.  I then subbed off my defensive SV for a more offensive one.  The xg Story will tell you the rest.. an epic 94th minute Game winning Gol.

 

When i am protecting a lead i follow this advice: 

 

On 30/01/2022 at 11:12, crusadertsar said:

change my left wingback into a more defensive, less risk-taking role like fullback (support) or wingback (defend). Or drop my line of engagement one slot lower to make the team (and as result our defence more compressed and harder to break down). Or I could add some team instructions like "hold shape", "play more disciplined" or "waste time". 

Of course none of this would work if i didnt have the correct players for it - they fit into some of the key roles perfectly: 

My AMC: Rodrigo De Paul 

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My IF: Gerard Deulofeu

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IW: Roberto Pereyra

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My Defensive SV
 

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19 hours ago, ta11zx said:

Fantastic Post - i have had some incredible results using this tactic with Udinese in FM 21.  

What would you say is your Squads DNA for this tactic?  Some say Jose M didnt like high flair players but then Di maria and Ronaldo thrived under his system.  Would love to hear your take. 

I will post some results i had soon after making tactical tweaks in game - they do wonders.
 

Great results :applause:! Looking forward to future updates.

I would disagree on what people say about Mourinho and high flair players. If anything he loves having such players on his team. Of course for the most part, his players will play in a more balanced, disciplined way except for that one special player given more creative freedom. All of Mourinho's successful teams had at least one individual game-breaking player. Usually in the advanced midfield playmaker role. The Fantasista so to speak. Players like Dico at Porto, Ozil at Real Madrid and Sneijder at Inter. Basically a player who could create chances from almost nothing. For a system that is more rigid and conservative having such a player is a requirement to add a bit of creative spark, unpredictability. Otherwise the system risks becoming predictable and easily countered by opposition. Maybe that's one of the reasons why things did not work out at Tottenham and Man United. Lack of such a creative catalyst.

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@mikcheck @Bigshow1 good question. I am a firm believer in using the absolute minimum of instructions necessary to achieve the desired effect or style. In this thread, the point was to create a balanced tactic. Not one where players will look to counter at every opportunity. And even then without the specific instruction I find we get plenty of counter opportunities.

How? What most team instructions do is exaggerated the natural tendencies of players within the formation.  Theoretically you could make a successful tacic without any instructions just by selecting roles and duties that move and compliment each other well. Then the overall team mentality already tells the players a lot of what you want them to do. The shape itself is a good starting point even without instructions. In my case to achieve effective counters lining the players up in 4-2-3-1 formation is already more than enough. Upfront I will use minimum 2, sometimes 3 attack duties who are my fastest players and ready to take advantage of any counter opportunities. In the game the counter develops automatically once you have a certain amount of players in opposition half with a certain amount of opposition players in your half. Then no matter what mentality or instructions you use your players will start a counter. To develop such situations the top heavy shape is already sufficient. Counter instruction is not necessary in my opinion. Although I might use it sometimes situationally against teams that press me. To make my players more proactive in finding space behind the opponent's defence.

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22 hours ago, crusadertsar said:

Looking forward to future updates.

Season ended and we managed to finish 7th - which is amazin considering we were projected to finish 15th. 

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We started struggling last few games of the season.  im not sure why as i didnt have injuries but we really started to struggle scoring.  Although some of the teams we faced we had no business winning anyway like Lazio (2nd) and Milan(1st).  We should have beat Torino and last place Parma - but we just kept struggling to create and put away chances.  so im not sure what the issue is. 

 

59 minutes ago, crusadertsar said:

Upfront I will use minimum 2, sometimes 3 attack duties who are my fastest players and ready to take advantage of any counter opportunities.

I will give this a go now if im struggling to score - lets see how it goes. 

 

59 minutes ago, crusadertsar said:

Although I might use it sometimes situationally against teams that press me. To make my players more proactive in finding space behind the opponent's defence.

I was going to ask how to approach matches when the opposition are heavy favorites.  I guess using counter instruction may help but we really struggle to get anything going against the big teams offensively. 

 

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Sadly season 2 with this tactic not going too well.  I upgraded my striker, regista and IW and despite this, we are battling for relegation.  

 

Last season finished 7th - predicted 15th 

 

This season predicted top half but fighting relegation.

 

Not sure what happened. 

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52 minutes ago, krript said:

İts not morale or someting else. That always happens in fm series. You need to tweak or change your tactic

I would respectfully disagree with these statements. In fact morale does play a HUGE part in the games (probably since FM20 onward). More so than in the old FMs. I make sure that my players are always properly motivated. That means running team meetings every two weeks or so. Especially before big games.

Also you have to pay attention to the post-match talks. You cannot just always praise your players blindly if they win. Some wins are not as good as others. Usually if your have a good assistant manager he will give you hints. Like for example, beating an underdog/relegation candidate by one or two goals is not good enough if you are big team expected to finish in the top five of the league. So this is good enough time to warn your players about complacency. Or even tell them you were not happy with some aspects of their game like midfield possession or finishing.

On the topic of changing tactics because you started to not do well. Usually that is not a good idea midway through the season. You should not be completely changing your tactic based on opposition. Rather making small tweaks is usually all you will need.

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In fact I have been running with this same tactic for almost the full season now and Villareal is performing pretty much as expected if not a little better.

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As you can see we are in 5th position with a team that I did not make any big transfers with. True we are not overachieving but then it has been a very tight title race. There are only 5 points difference separating the #1 team and the 5th spot. And we still have 6 key games to go. So anything is possible. But my point is that I have been running with the same tactic all season and while there were a few bad streaks of loses and drops in morale, it has largely been stable and consistent. The same probably couldn't be said had I changed it midway through or after an especially bad loss. In FM22, the "long game" is very important.

The tweaks that I have been making are very small ones like one or two team instructions or a single duty change. All you need really. I will try to show more on what I mean shortly. Just need to get some screenshots as examples. 

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2 hours ago, crusadertsar said:

The tweaks that I have been making are very small ones like one or two team instructions or a single duty change. All you need really. I will try to show more on what I mean shortly. Just need to get some screenshots as examples. 

Eagerly waiting for this.  Need to save my team from relegation:lol:

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Mini-Update: End-of-Season Review and Tactical Takeaways

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1) The first takeaway message of this first season with this Mourinho-inspired tactic is that it proved to be a highly stable tactical platform for Villarreal to overachieve. Somewhat. In my opinion, Villarreaal was a perfect choice to test this tactic because it had a very average squad (albait one that was suited to the 4-2-3-1) neither filled with top offensive talent like Real Madrid or Athletico Madrid nor stocked with exceptional technical players like Barcelona or even Sevilla. At the start of the season we were predicted to finish 5th, as a better-than average top-half team. We ended up finishing 3rd and qualifying for the Champions League for the 2nd consecutive time in recent club history. Last season it was through Europa League one automatic spot. For a while there in early April I had hopes of even beating Valencia for the title but we dropped a few important games (against Real Madrid and the big final showdown against the eventual league champion). So it didn't happen but the consolation prizes this season were the two cup wins. Both of which happened against some pretty big competition. The European Super Cup we beat Chelsea 1-0 and in Spanish Cup - Real Madrid 1-0. 

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As you can see in the latter part of the season we manage to score more than enough goals while keeping quite a few clean sheets. The tactic's record against the "big" teams was also good. Decent results against Barcelona and A.Madrid. The Champions League 3-4 loss against Liverpool in two legs had more positive than negatives in my opinion. There is the fact that we only managed to lose by one goal. And then we managed to mount an almost comeback by getting 2 past Alisson at Anfield. To make the match that close against one of the best teams in the world is a win in my books. And gives me much to look forward to in the next season's Champions League.

2) This brings us to the second take-away message. The tactic. It does not look that different from what I presented in the previous updates but there a few important notes that I wanted to mention. It is remarkable that the Balanced team mentality and this simple collection of instructions manage to get Villareal this far. 

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And that is the combination of instructions that I used for perhaps 80% of the matches this season. That is right I did not really make any adjustments for AWAY versus Home games or parked bus defensive teams. The only time when I tweaked the tactic was before the tough "big" opponents such as Liverpool, Man United, Real Madrid or Barcelona. For such games I would generally drop the line of engagement to "Lower", take off "tighter marking" and "play out of defence". And add "counter" instruction. That's it. 

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These tweaks turned out to be effective most of the time. Such as in our 2-2 AWAY tie against Liverpool we managed to consistently create better chances and have greater xG than the home team. And both of their goals were a result of a set piece. 

It led to some standout performances by our front three attackers. Especially the central striker Gerard Moreno. Moreno scored 22 goals! An impressive achievement for the 30 y.o.

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Yet the wide forwards, Diallo (right IF) and Danjuma (left IW) were not far behind with 13 goals each. 

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Overall, I was very happy how my front three forwards performed. Often it is mentioned on the forums that it is difficult to get the striker and wide forwards to score consistently and have high ratings. I don't think that is the case. I think it is merely the question of finding the right tactical system to suit your players. I can only imagine what sort of results I could get if I had some better forwards. 

3) The third take-away message. Goal-scoring. One of my main objectives of this project has been to see how few goals would the team concede when using a solid mid-block defence-focused system. So naturally the big surprise was seeing how well and often the players actually scored goals while using this "defensive" 4-2-3-1 tactic. I say "defensive" although it is not really that. Just as none of Jose Mourinho's tactics are ever intended to be "defensive". But nevertheless this 4-2-3-1 is not your typical gegenpress, "win everything" high pressing uber-tactic that we see in the download section of this very forum. Nor does it claim to score over 100 goals per season like some of the tactics on there do. BUT it managed to net us more than enough goals to end the season in 3rd place. In the league, and in our goal-scoring both with 70 goals (only 1 behind the goal-scoring leaders Real Hispalis and Real Madrid). 

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4) Defending. Our defending was not too shabby either. Especially considering this was the whole point of this tactic. We came in 3rd place in the number of goals conceded (33). Unfortunately 10 of those 33 came from corners and freekicks. So our set-piece defence is definitely something we have to work on for next season. 

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5) Overall, VIllarreal's combined offensive and defensive stats were above average. It turned out to be a very balanced tactical system that created more good chances than an average team while conceding less than an average team.

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So even if we did not win the league, I see this experiment as a success so far. It proved that one can create a good "balanced" tactic that is as good at defending as it is at scoring. No need for aggressive defending or tactical instruction overload. All you need is a sensible defence-focused approach when creating the tactic. And take some care before the "big" matches to analyze the opposition. With these lessons learned I expect to Villareal to perform even better next season. And there are a few things to look forward to in the future. 

6) And that brings us to the final take-away message. The Future. 

This save turned out way more fun than I expected, to the point where a one season-long experiment turned into my main FM22 save which I will hope to play at least until FM23 comes out. Here are the reasons why.

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Amad Diallo, The 19 year old wonderkid on 2 year loan from Man United, managed to score 13 goals and assist on 15. A trully standout performance. I was happy that the tactic was able to get the best out of our right winger which incidentally was my "Young Ronaldo" position (to mirror the left winger in Mourinho's 4-2-3-1 at Real Madrdi). 

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With such a strong performance Amad more than deserved his Young Player of The Season Award and I am very happy that we will have his services for another season. And then there is the $39 million buy out clause that I might just pull the trigger on. 

And finally speaking of the more long-term future, there is this kid that came through our first youth intake.

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Villarreal's future is bright indeed!

 

TO BE CONTINUED ... 

 

 

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1 hour ago, crusadertsar said:

take some care before the "big" matches to analyze the opposition

Can dive into how you analyze opposition and make changes with this tactic?  In seria A, there's a lot more " big matches" than I can handle.   Napoli, Milan, inter, juve, roma, Lazio and firontina. :(

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3 hours ago, ta11zx said:

Can dive into how you analyze opposition and make changes with this tactic?  In seria A, there's a lot more " big matches" than I can handle.   Napoli, Milan, inter, juve, roma, Lazio and firontina. :(

I was speaking in general terms. I don't study every single one of their players and try to counter them direct. Usually I just check for their style of play by looking at the scouting reports. So if your opponent is a high pressing direct attacking side like Liverpool then you know that you will need to take off "pass from the back" and increase the tempo in order to better resist their high press and to pass around them. Then adding "counter" and "pass into space" might be good idea as more gaps will form behind their defences as they press you.

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Hey Crusader Tsar I have followed your threads for a long time and like you have been trying to find some balance to your pragmatic football so I have tried.I did watch the videos from Football made Simple and also a few other threads about the tactics of Jose from his Porto days to his Chelsea 2nd stint. Now I wanna see your opinion and the opnion of others onto m tactic that i have developed, I wanna hear some advices or suggestions onto it. I will leave below the tactic and the results I had at Man Utd as I was managing them as part of my annual fm save of Inter and Utd

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Il y a 2 heures, Mourinho_Mastermind a dit :

Hey Crusader Tsar I have followed your threads for a long time and like you have been trying to find some balance to your pragmatic football so I have tried.I did watch the videos from Football made Simple and also a few other threads about the tactics of Jose from his Porto days to his Chelsea 2nd stint. Now I wanna see your opinion and the opnion of others onto m tactic that i have developed, I wanna hear some advices or suggestions onto it. I will leave below the tactic and the results I had at Man Utd as I was managing them as part of my annual fm save of Inter and Utd

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Two playmakers? Not too much for a Mourinho style. 

And wingback are not too agressive? 

Can you explain your idea behind the roles and some team instructions? 

Thanks. 

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13 hours ago, coach vahid said:

Two playmakers? Not too much for a Mourinho style. 

And wingback are not too agressive? 

Can you explain your idea behind the roles and some team instructions? 

Thanks. 

My idea really was to reproduce the tactic that he had at RM sort of if I may say that, I had a cwb su at the right implement a  Marcelo type of fullback but about halfway to the season i changed it to a simple wbu su because i wanted to keep some of the balance in the tactic and for the other fullback i was going for either a fb-su with a sit narrower instruction or a wb-su. For the midfield and why it has two playmakers, it is fairly simple. As Crusader Tsar mentioned in both this post and the one on fm 21 Xabi Alonso was a deep lying playmaker so I didn't see a reason to not put him in that role, Khedira was a box to box player that could be used deeper in the dm strate but i didn't really wish to put him there. For the ap-at role well at utd I did not have the possibility to really show of a trequartista as Bruno was injured a lot of times and had to play Van de Beek on. For the wingers i picked Inverted Wingers as i liked the role from the previous versions of the game and I think it suited the role for both Angel Di Maria and Cristiano Ronaldo with Ronaldo going more into the box than Maria but that didn't mean that if the team was blocked in the left side or central side Maria couldn't try the same thing as Ronaldo. For striker i chose CF because i feel that's the type of role that Mourinho gave to his strikers usually from Drogba to Milito to Benzema, being the aerial threat, goal scorer and passing outlet all in one.

Now for the tactical part of it,
In possesion I wanted to not crowd the thing too much with instructions so I chose to put on just play out of defense and another reason was the fact I had Positive Mentality on and I didn't wish to go too hoof the ball type of tactic by increasing either the tempo or directness of the team, Positive already having a higher tempo but shorter passes to not go too direct and allow the players to think their next decision.

In transition it was fairly simple to pick because Mourinho's teams usually countered a lot and it is a good thing to have on this FM,Distribute quickly is a thing that helps in the counter attacking part of the tactic though it wasn't the only type of attack the team could do, Distribute to Centre-back was common for those teams because Ramos could go up the field and do passes, receiving and giving the ball and for Regroup well to not be caught themselves in a counter attack by the opposition team.

Out of possesion in here i chose Force outside  to crowd the box and not let anyone or anything near the box.Lower line of engagement was ticked to make the team even more compact on the field like with the force outside, the get stuck in and  tighet marking were as in the world of Crusader Tsar to press aggresivly and not high on the pitch.Finally press more often i put because i wanted to have a lot of pressure into the opposition.

Hope I have made my presentation clear and i covered up all the points that were needed

 

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8 hours ago, Mourinho_Mastermind said:

My idea really was to reproduce the tactic that he had at RM sort of if I may say that, I had a cwb su at the right implement a  Marcelo type of fullback but about halfway to the season i changed it to a simple wbu su because i wanted to keep some of the balance in the tactic and for the other fullback i was going for either a fb-su with a sit narrower instruction or a wb-su. For the midfield and why it has two playmakers, it is fairly simple. As Crusader Tsar mentioned in both this post and the one on fm 21 Xabi Alonso was a deep lying playmaker so I didn't see a reason to not put him in that role, Khedira was a box to box player that could be used deeper in the dm strate but i didn't really wish to put him there. For the ap-at role well at utd I did not have the possibility to really show of a trequartista as Bruno was injured a lot of times and had to play Van de Beek on. For the wingers i picked Inverted Wingers as i liked the role from the previous versions of the game and I think it suited the role for both Angel Di Maria and Cristiano Ronaldo with Ronaldo going more into the box than Maria but that didn't mean that if the team was blocked in the left side or central side Maria couldn't try the same thing as Ronaldo. For striker i chose CF because i feel that's the type of role that Mourinho gave to his strikers usually from Drogba to Milito to Benzema, being the aerial threat, goal scorer and passing outlet all in one.

Now for the tactical part of it,
In possesion I wanted to not crowd the thing too much with instructions so I chose to put on just play out of defense and another reason was the fact I had Positive Mentality on and I didn't wish to go too hoof the ball type of tactic by increasing either the tempo or directness of the team, Positive already having a higher tempo but shorter passes to not go too direct and allow the players to think their next decision.

In transition it was fairly simple to pick because Mourinho's teams usually countered a lot and it is a good thing to have on this FM,Distribute quickly is a thing that helps in the counter attacking part of the tactic though it wasn't the only type of attack the team could do, Distribute to Centre-back was common for those teams because Ramos could go up the field and do passes, receiving and giving the ball and for Regroup well to not be caught themselves in a counter attack by the opposition team.

Out of possesion in here i chose Force outside  to crowd the box and not let anyone or anything near the box.Lower line of engagement was ticked to make the team even more compact on the field like with the force outside, the get stuck in and  tighet marking were as in the world of Crusader Tsar to press aggresivly and not high on the pitch.Finally press more often i put because i wanted to have a lot of pressure into the opposition.

Hope I have made my presentation clear and i covered up all the points that were needed

 

Great presentation to the tactic :) I like how you outlined your intentions with why you chose each tactical instruction and role. I think overall it's a good representation of how Mourinho's Real Madrid played. There are a few things that I would change personally. In my opinion anyway.

I would not play with two BPDs even if I had two amazingly creative ballplaying defenders. It's a bit overkill and basically telling your players to bypass your deep playmaker. I'm also not a fan of AP in AMC position as it slows your final approach and works against the quick attacking transitions/counters that you are trying to create.

Regarding the CF striker I like the choice of role but not the player. In my own system I would play Martial on the right in my more attacking IF role sort of like Ronaldo. Especially given his great dribbling attribute. He has neither the technical skills of Benzema nor the jumping reach and strength to pull two defenders to him like Drogba. So whole unsuitable to a central striker role in Mourinho-style 4-2-3-1

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44 minutes ago, crusadertsar said:

Great presentation to the tactic :) I like how you outlined your intentions with why you chose each tactical instruction and role. I think overall it's a good representation of how Mourinho's Real Madrid played. There are a few things that I would change personally. In my opinion anyway.

I would not play with two BPDs even if I had two amazingly creative ballplaying defenders. It's a bit overkill and basically telling your players to bypass your deep playmaker. I'm also not a fan of AP in AMC position as it slows your final approach and works against the quick attacking transitions/counters that you are trying to create.

Regarding the CF striker I like the choice of role but not the player. In my own system I would play Martial on the right in my more attacking IF role sort of like Ronaldo. Especially given his great dribbling attribute. He has neither the technical skills of Benzema nor the jumping reach and strength to pull two defenders to him like Drogba. So whole unsuitable to a central striker role in Mourinho-style 4-2-3-1

Thanks for the advice in the matter of central defenders and also f or the amc position, I will put one of them as a cd and only allow one bpd so it will be balanced.Regarding the amc position I think i will move him from an ap to a simple am like you did on a su matter with a move into channels instruction.Now the striker thing is that I initially had Ronaldo there to handle it and it had worked wonders with him scoring a lot of goals now he sadly had been injured for 9 months in i think was jan/dec and he retired leaving me with playing Cavani/Greenwood/Martial and it didn't work out for me that well as i started to lose the lead i had initially but luckily for me Greenwood and Cavani did their job. I had Martial as a CF in that formation because it was just after my UCL final against Man City, Cavani and Greenwood being sadly injured at that time.

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On 12/02/2022 at 00:19, crusadertsar said:

Something to think about this weekend :)

2nd Season Tactical Musings: Creating Successful Attacking Transitions in FM22

Coming Soon ...

 

 

Will you be expanding on your AM line in this update?

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22 hours ago, nick1408 said:

 

Will you be expanding on your AM line in this update?

Yeah. Mostly the forwards. So striker and the three AM level players. I'm doing some more testing with the tactic in the 2nd season to find tune it. But should have the update written soon.

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26 minutes ago, crusadertsar said:

Yeah. Mostly the forwards. So striker and the three AM level players. I'm doing some more testing with the tactic in the 2nd season to find tune it. But should have the update written soon.

Cool. Thanks mate. I’m also wondering about the switch of sides of the DM’s so a quick update on that would be nice. 

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On 26/02/2022 at 04:50, crusadertsar said:

Sorry guys haven't done an update in a while. To tell the truth haven't had much heart to play FM. Much less write about it. Just feeling kind of numb with what's happening in Ukraine. Some of you might know that I am Ukrainian. I don't live there anymore but still have family and friends there. Luckily they are all in the Western region which hasn't been affected yet. But it's still devastating watching the tragedy unfold and seeing the country of my birth being destroyed day by day. Sorry, I just had to mention this because I respect some of you who might have been waiting for me to put out an update this week. Hopefully I'll be able to finish it soon once I feel better.

 

We feel you brother, I am an ex army officer that resigned 2 years ago(from Turkey btw) and I know lot of about war, I wish Ukraine will win this and everything and everyone will be fine after all. Also hope that nothing bad will happen to your family and your country, this Russian nonsense should be stop asap and it is very very understandable that you cannot continue the thread right now. We are with you. Hope see you soon.

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This is a very good write up and the balanced philosophy works extremely well. 
 

Have used the principles with Sporting Lisbon and have comfortably put Porto and Benefica in their box and beaten Barca 3-0 in the Champs league. 
 

Like using as a base and tweaking with roles, TIs etc  

 

Thanks for sharing and I hope your family is ok in Ukraine  🇺🇦 

 

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6 minutes ago, loisvale said:

This is a very good write up and the balanced philosophy works extremely well. 
 

Have used the principles with Sporting Lisbon and have comfortably put Porto and Benefica in their box and beaten Barca 3-0 in the Champs league. 
 

Like using as a base and tweaking with roles, TIs etc  

 

Thanks for sharing and I hope your family is ok in Ukraine  🇺🇦 

 

Thanks you friend! I think Balanced mentality is under-appreciated. It is indeed a great base to start for any team. And then to add little tweaks depending on match. 

They are safe! Thanks for asking 

 

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For those interested, the evolution of my Balanced 4-2-3-1 continues in this thread now.

I'm trying to unite the best aspects of 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 in one hybrid tactic. And still doing great while using Balanced mentality with Villarreal. We just won our second Spanish Cup in a row :)

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On 01/06/2022 at 18:16, Mourinho_Mastermind said:

Hey Crusader Tsar i wanted to ask,  are the instructions you had on the first page avaiable for the last post ?

No the instructions for the last tactic are shown in the screenshot. There have been some changes since the first page of this thread. 

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Just tried it out (1 one game). 1st half of a wc game against Real Madrid, was completely blown of the pitch. With the exception of a player with good flair in the regista spot I do feel I got the right personnel. 

Since I did wanted to win the game I switched to a much higher dline and LoE combined with counterpress. And then the tables where turned. (Lost however to a 90+3 corner 😅

I got some more experimenting to do in the upcoming pre-season. I like the idea a lot for my CL games, just need to figure out how to make it work with my players. 

 

Did you had any PI installed other the the one on the left back you mentioned?? 

 

Oh and I added pass into space, have you ever tried that? 

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4 hours ago, Feddo said:

Just tried it out (1 one game). 1st half of a wc game against Real Madrid, was completely blown of the pitch. With the exception of a player with good flair in the regista spot I do feel I got the right personnel. 

Since I did wanted to win the game I switched to a much higher dline and LoE combined with counterpress. And then the tables where turned. (Lost however to a 90+3 corner 😅

I got some more experimenting to do in the upcoming pre-season. I like the idea a lot for my CL games, just need to figure out how to make it work with my players. 

 

Did you had any PI installed other the the one on the left back you mentioned?? 

 

Oh and I added pass into space, have you ever tried that? 

The tactic is as mentioned. No other PIs. You have to keep in mind it is no plug and play tactic and is not meant to be. My tactic was made to fit specific players too. So it's possible it might not work for every team. And also facing a team like Real Madrid, or Paris Saint Germain is a special case. No matter how good your tactic is, all bets are off the table. They are just too good in the first 4-6 seasons in the game, or until their stars start to ago or leave for other clubs. I'm in my 4th season in La Liga as Villareal and sitting comfortably in 2nd position but I can rately win against Real Madrid.

@Mourinho_Mastermind I would say he uses more direct counter attack.

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5 minutes ago, Mourinho_Mastermind said:

Yeah i would agree he has a more direct style of counter attack nowadays, I think the Porto stint was more fluid on the counter attack with the more years passing he is now direct

He has been corrupted by the English Premier League ;)

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On 06/06/2022 at 13:25, crusadertsar said:

 You have to keep in mind it is no plug and play tactic and is not meant to be. My tactic was made to fit specific players too. So it's possible it might not work for every team. And also facing a team like Real Madrid, or Paris Saint Germain is a special case. No matter how good your tactic is, all bets are off the table. They are just too good in the first 4-6 seasons in the game, or until their stars start to ago or leave for other clubs. I'm in my 4th season in La Liga as Villareal and sitting comfortably in 2nd position but I can rately win against Real Madrid.

I'm playing a really long save atm where I've made Feyenoord one of the biggest clubs in the world. It's a fun distraction from my really hectic life and most importantly not to difficult. Got enough real management puzzles in reality 😅

The thing that keeps it interesting is switching up systems. And your thread sparked an idea. I won't hijack your thread because I'm going to use it in a different way, more possession oriented. But I've used your formation and a lot of the instructions as a starting point. Have to say I like the early looks of it. 

I will use a counter attacking version for the later CL stages and if you're interested I will drop in an update here. 

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