Preventing centrebacks from hoofing it long

[Mysharry]

I'm playing a back 3 with wide centre backs on defend, individual instructions for all centre backs are shorter passing and less risks, team passing instructions set to much shorter passing but still nearly every highlight leading to an opposition goal starts with my centrebacks hoofing it over the top to nobody while under no pressure. 

 

How do i stop this?!

Edited January 11, 2022 by Mysharry

[Dutchy1983]

Ditch the take less risks. If a player comes near them they take out risk and clear it long

[HowzatFM]

1 hour ago, Mysharry said:

I'm playing a back 3 with wide centre backs on defend, individual instructions for all centre backs are shorter passing and less risks, team passing instructions set to much shorter passing but still nearly every highlight leading to an opposition goal starts with my centrebacks hoofing it over the top to nobody while under no pressure. 

 

How do i stop this?!

Do your centre backs always have an easy passing option? Might need to look at the overall team set up 

[Mysharry]

1 hour ago, Dutchy1983 said:

Ditch the take less risks. If a player comes near them they take out risk and clear it long

I'll try without but this is generally happening when there is no pressure on them

46 minutes ago, benhoward12 said:

Do your centre backs always have an easy passing option? Might need to look at the overall team set up 

Usually its the central CB doing it, when there are availible WCBs either side or a DLP infront so i dont know what more he could want 😅

[Rashidi]

I would also check tempo and whether there are players around them. If there is an opposition player next to them they aren't likely to pass the ball to them either. Its always a good idea to play with a DM who likes to drop deeper if you find your centrebacks runnign out of options. They can pass the ball to him and if he loses the ball, they have someone else to blame'

[Poison]

I would try "play out of defence" if you haven't selected it and "be more disciplined" so that they actually carry your instructions. Also wcb-su is a little bit bettter than wcb-d.

[Mysharry]

2 hours ago, Rashidi said:

I would also check tempo and whether there are players around them. If there is an opposition player next to them they aren't likely to pass the ball to them either. Its always a good idea to play with a DM who likes to drop deeper if you find your centrebacks runnign out of options. They can pass the ball to him and if he loses the ball, they have someone else to blame'

I had hoped CM DLP-defend would be enough but maybe i need yo push him back even further, are there and moves i can train for my playmaker to make him drop deeper? Comes deppigt to get ball or smthng?

1 hour ago, Poison said:

I would try "play out of defence" if you haven't selected it and "be more disciplined" so that they actually carry your instructions. Also wcb-su is a little bit bettter than wcb-d.

Already playing out defence, but wcbs are on defend so ill try support! 

 

Is there and point trying to train either avoid through balls or playing simple passes for my cbs, if so which one?

[Bradz FM]

What mentality are you using? A higher mentality will encourage more risk and shorter passes if they are selected

As other said, less risks causes them to more likely hoof.

[Poison]

3 hours ago, Mysharry said:

I had hoped CM DLP-defend would be enough but maybe i need yo push him back even further, are there and moves i can train for my playmaker to make him drop deeper? Comes deppigt to get ball or smthng

Is there and point trying to train either avoid through balls or playing simple passes for my cbs, if so which one?

If you play out of defence then certainly your dlp-d will drop deeper, even if cm, you don't have to do anything else. I wouldn't try short simple passes because sometimes you want them to risk a little bit. No through balls OTOH seems fine. Do your cbs have maybe poor composure? Because composure plays a small part in your problem despite not being mentioned.

[Mysharry]

5 hours ago, Trevomac said:

What mentality are you using? A higher mentality will encourage more risk and shorter passes if they are selected

As other said, less risks causes them to more likely hoof.

 

3 hours ago, Poison said:

If you play out of defence then certainly your dlp-d will drop deeper, even if cm, you don't have to do anything else. I wouldn't try short simple passes because sometimes you want them to risk a little bit. No through balls OTOH seems fine. Do your cbs have maybe poor composure? Because composure plays a small part in your problem despite not being mentioned.

Think we found the issue, i've been using cautious mentality alot and the worst culprit for this behabiour in my backline has 4 composure...

[kepz]

23 hours ago, Mysharry said:

my backline has 4 composure...

Yikes! Yeah man, put under pressure any player with that low composure will panic and get rid of it, especially on a low mentality. Also worth checking their decisions and anticipation too if you haven’t!

[Johnny Ace]

Another thing to consider in FM is, players won't always follow what you ask of them in every given situation 

[Os]

Raise your tempo if they are being pressed well.

[Tsuru]

I was facing this problem on a 4-1-4-1 DM Wide on Balanced mentality, no TIs. I adjusted the roles and duties and the hoofing was really reduced. I truly believe this is a role/duty/mentality problem, although the TIs can make this worse.

If you don´t want any changes on roles/duties/mentality, "Play out of Defence", "Shorter Passing" or maybe the shorter passing PIs on your CBs and DM can help. To assure your DM will drop really deep to get the ball you can ask your keeper to distribute to him.

Edited January 17, 2022 by Tsuru

[Mysharry]

On 15/01/2022 at 10:34, Johnny Ace said:

Another thing to consider in FM is, players won't always follow what you ask of them in every given situation 

I know, but sometimes its almost every opp highlight that starts with this, almost like the engine just goes "time to give the ball away"

On 15/01/2022 at 17:11, Os said:

Raise your tempo if they are being pressed well.

I do play with high tempo, and I wont really complain about the hoofing if they are actually being pressed, its just the situations where there isnt any press that annoys me

19 hours ago, Tsuru said:

I was facing this problem on a 4-1-4-1 DM Wide on Balanced mentality, no TIs. I adjusted the roles and duties and the hoofing was really reduced. I truly believe this is a role/duty/mentality problem, although the TIs can make this worse.

If you don´t want any changes on roles/duties/mentality, "Play out of Defence", "Shorter Passing" or maybe the shorter passing PIs on your CBs and DM can help. To assure your DM will drop really deep to get the ball you can ask your keeper to distribute to him.

I do shorter passing and play out defence + shorter passing on cb:s but ill try to distribute to playmaker to see if it helps.

I think the issue might be the quality of my centre backs, and that the engine shows this in a bit of an over the top obvious way by just kicking the ball away for me. 

I can also add that the "no through balls " didnt help 😂. Too bad this guy doesnt think passing training is beneficial

 

[Rashidi]

I just did a video on creative passing, basically this is what I do when i want to play a combination of controlled counterattacking. You can ask the backline to pass it short and tell one or two players in central midfield or those that have good passing range to go direct. Generally when i distribute some of the passing instructions I can get interesting patterns of play

[dunk105]

On 11/01/2022 at 11:32, Mysharry said:

I had hoped CM DLP-defend would be enough but maybe i need yo push him back even further, are there and moves i can train for my playmaker to make him drop deeper? Comes deppigt to get ball or smthng?

Already playing out defence, but wcbs are on defend so ill try support! 

 

Is there and point trying to train either avoid through balls or playing simple passes for my cbs, if so which one?

Yup- as you say a DLP-D works, I switched to a 433 with my DLP-D as a DM for lesser opposition, then a DM-D or BWM-D there for tougher opposition when I want my BPD to start counters.