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Well the season is finished, and I've massively exceeded my own expectations. We finished 3rd!

 

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It was an exceptionally weak season from the other top teams in the league which allowed us to get such a high position in the first place, namely looking at Chelsea, Tottenham and Man UFC (I don't know if I'm allowed to use their real name so I won't :lol:), Manchester City also finishing under the 80 point mark, with very low goals scored across the board. We'll see how things go when all of the teams around me inevitably strengthen.

I absolutely achieved what I wanted with this tactic in terms of pragmatism and having a strong defence, conceding only 31 goals in 38 games with a defence that definitely isn't as strong as those around me, while still being capable of winning games and getting points where needed.

I added some much needed reinforcements in January which I believe allowed me to move further up the table than I would have originally been able to, namely signing Luis Romo and Ruben Loftus-Cheek.

 

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The ugliest game on that schedule being the 4-5 loss to Chelsea, purely due to the amount of goals involved in the game going completely against my philosophy, but overall achieving multiple 1-0 games which is what I think the real life users of this style would appreciate.

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This is another result that I'm very proud of. 3 shots on target, 44% possession and we manage to beat Manchester City 2-0 away from home. As you can see from the team-sheet there's no world class names on my team, purely ones that made sense to my tactical idea, which shows the importance of signing players that suit your philosophy.

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Christian Benteke as my DLF - S having one of his best seasons in his entire career with 22 goals in 33 starts.

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With Milot Rashica and Adam Idah sharing the burden of being my AF, Adam Idah sometimes slotting into the DLF - S when needed, and getting 38 goals between them.

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My wingbacks both proving to be the creative force needed with 12 and 15 assists between them.

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Whether or not this is the long-term strategy that I wanted, I have no idea. This could be an extremely lucky season that will fall to pieces with the added pressure of European football and a reputation increase which will change how the opposition handles me, or maybe I've found something that works perfectly with the players I bought. One season isn't enough to tell, in my opinion, so I'll proceed to do more testing myself over the course of FM22's lifespan and see what happens.

 

There can definitely be improvements made to it, namely the home tactic which didn't perform anywhere near the level of the away version. That could be related to the fact that I don't really have an AMC - A that suited the role perfectly which is why I bought Ruben Loftus-cheek, so I'll see what happens with it next season.

Worryingly my goalkeeper's XG - prevented is 11.82 which means things could have been much worse without him, but I think that's possibly due to allowing the opposition to shoot from range in meaningless low XG shots that slowly add up while never being threatening.

 

I don't know what the rules are in regards to posting outside links, but I'll leave a link to imgur where I'll post all the stats that I found relevant so as not to spam this thread overly much. If that's against the rules feel free to remove it :)https://imgur.com/a/wKZdo2O

 

If anyone has any questions then ask, or wants to use any of the information/tactic provided here feel free, I don't mind.

 

I hope this proves helpful to anyone wishing to try and make a counter attacking style because it can definitely be successful, it just relies completely on the type of player you're using. This is not the finished article, and your mileage may vary when using it, but I definitely believe it can be successful, especially in leagues at a lower level than the premier league where the competition isn't as strong.

 

Overall I'm extremely happy with how my idea played out, and I can't wait to play more.

 

Thanks for reading all of this if you're still with me, and hopefully this tactic works out well for you too. Bye :)

 

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, cragswfc said:

download link?

We're not in the download tactics part of the forum, and even if we were he's literally given you all the information you need to make the tactics in minutes!

 

OP - I like this tactic a lot. We see a lot of OP gegen-press style tactics so it's good to see something a bit more pragmatic. 

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2 hours ago, carloshcorbalan said:

I don't see a link to tactics ...
Therefore.
Are there individual instructions to the players .. ???

He literally addresses this specifically. 

Edit - love the thread and the detail. Thanks for taking the time share with us, Gah. Gonna try these ideas. 

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That's impressive!  Only 31 allowed in the EPL and four of those allowed in one game = 27 allowed in the other 37 games.  One goal allowed in your last eight matches!

I wondered if as they learned your style, teams would start to counter-attack wider against you but it looks like your defense got stronger and stronger.  I'm guessing that your WCBs were great at closing down the flanks (?)

What's your plan for next season?  Will you use the extra money to buy depth? or upgrade your starters?  or bring in some youth prospects?  or facilities?  I always feel the dilemna when I first get European football with a smaller club.  I can play reserves and tank the cup matches so that I can concentrate on the league games, but each cup match won brings a lot of money.

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3 hours ago, cragswfc said:

download link?

 

3 hours ago, carloshcorbalan said:

I don't see a link to tactics ...
Therefore.
Are there individual instructions to the players .. ???

Hi, there's no download link as I don't feel one is needed. All of the roles and instructions are specified within the post. I don't use any individual instructions on any roles. It's all left default.

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14 minutes ago, glengarry224 said:

That's impressive!  Only 31 allowed in the EPL and four of those allowed in one game = 27 allowed in the other 37 games.  One goal allowed in your last eight matches!

I wondered if as they learned your style, teams would start to counter-attack wider against you but it looks like your defense got stronger and stronger.  I'm guessing that your WCBs were great at closing down the flanks (?)

What's your plan for next season?  Will you use the extra money to buy depth? or upgrade your starters?  or bring in some youth prospects?  or facilities?  I always feel the dilemna when I first get European football with a smaller club.  I can play reserves and tank the cup matches so that I can concentrate on the league games, but each cup match won brings a lot of money.

The anchorman is key to not conceding goals.

 

The WCB on support specifically can be more aggressive when the opposition enters their zone of control, which would be a problem if there wasn't a covering CB behind both of them with the anchorman also there to cover positions where needed. What I see quite often when I watch this tactic in real time is that the WCB will have a higher start position than any other defensive role I've tried (apart from WCB-A but that role isn't suited for any style I'd play, needs too much specializing around it to work), so if there isn't someone covering behind them then you'll get absolutely destroyed by through balls. With the Anchorman + CB-C my team can play extremely aggressive as a unit closing down, specifically on the flanks as you said. The wingback isn't 1v1 or 1v2 anymore, because the WCB can move out to help and the anchorman will slide over into his position. My fear is that better teams will eventually exploit this with a wide switch of the ball, but we'll see :)

 

As for plans for next season; Delia Smith retired the moment we achieved champions league football and we got bought by a tycoon, which was funny. We are now owned by Vincent Kesler for better or worse has yet to be decided. He instantly declared he wants 1/4 finals in the champions league, final of the FA cup, final of the league cup, and finishing in the top 4. So, maybe I don't keep my job too long this season :lol:

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He promised significant investment, so that's going to be helpful in one way but harmful in another. As ridiculous as it sounds there really isn't that many options I realistically see can upgrade on Benteke outside of Calvert-Lewin and maybe Lorenzo Lucca. Everton are asking for €328 million for Calvert-Lewin and Lorenzo Lucca won't get a work permit xD . So for now we're relying on a 31 year old Benteke to do an important role.

 

That's what always becomes a problem for me in these kinds of saves. I want to keep the idea of the team alive while also making the team improved enough to challenge for the league title, but I don't want to compromise on what I was originally trying to do. 

 

Ideal scenario is I find youth players that long-term can improve over the current players I have while still keeping the original philosophy alive, and maybe improve some areas that need it urgently now (LCB, BBM, AMC being the main ones), all while making sure we don't regress in the league as a priority. I need to keep champions league football if I want to test how far this tactical style can actually go. If I drop out of the top 4 places then something's not right and needs to be fixed.

 

FA cup/league cup will get my attention if I manage to get deeper into them without too much focus, and the champions league depends on how bad of a group I get. I assume I'll get an awful one due to seeding.

 

I'll keep this updated if something interesting happens, and any changes I make to my strategy in the future. I'll definitely be doing more with the home version of the tactic because I'm not at all happy with it. 

 

Thanks for reading it all, and I'm glad you enjoyed. :)

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7 hours ago, Gah Rii said:

 

Hi, there's no download link as I don't feel one is needed. All of the roles and instructions are specified within the post. I don't use any individual instructions on any roles. It's all left default.

i thought it was download section. you use am as home tactic? dm away

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For the dlf  Silvère Ganvoula M'boussy is a must if not millions to spend and miles better than
15 hours ago, Gah Rii said:

 

Hi, there's no download link as I don't feel one is needed. All of the roles and instructions are specified within the post. I don't use any individual instructions on any roles. It's all left default.

i thought it was download section. you use am as home tactic? dm away

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8 hours ago, cragswfc said:

i thought it was download section. you use am as home tactic? dm away

I use the DM tactic for away, and the AM as home. I've recently been trying the attacking midfielder on attack as a shadow striker instead. I'll see how it turns out over the course of a season before deciding if it's better.

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So this tactic bangs. And might have just broken the ME. 

First season with Norwich. Match day 5. Done okay so far - away draws at Chelsea and Arsenal, with wins over  Brighton and West Ham. Facing City. Just hoping we don't get smashed. And somehow... we win. Big. BIG big. 8-0 big. 

Made a couple signings to the squad, but nothing too significant. Gianluca Scamacca was a deadline day panic buy when Fiorentina came in for Pukki and he wanted to go. Wasn't impressive in his first match and I started to worry I'd gotten rid of someone who could have been key for us. 

Been messing with this tactic in South America. Was looking at a save in Italy or Germany, but couldn't decide so figured I'd do a shorter save in England. Decide just to full on emulate Gah Rii and try Norwich for the first time. 

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Fantastic post! I'm managing my beloved Chelsea and I am tired of using a 4-3-3 formation. A back three fits the current Chelsea squad and it's fun to have a formation that resembles Tuchel's idea. I will start a new save with this tactic as a core idea and see if I can get a solid defense that is a threat on the counter and at the same time is dominating at Stamford Bridge. 

I am really curious if the opening poster has continued with his project and if there are any updates on your save?

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