Smurf Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 45 minutes ago, indario said: Why not? That's not what RAM does. Faster RAM will have little to no gains for FM. It's processor that governs a lot. I spoke to someone and this is the jist of what he and I came to: For how the game uses threads - it will create as many threads for playing matches and shortlisting as you have cores (including hyperthreads). But the performance you see varies on the setup for example with matches - Quick Matches for instance (so for loaded but non-managed in leagues) it's are so fast anyway it gets to the point where it doesn't make that much more difference having more cores. If you use detail level to set more stuff to full match you'll start seeing betters gains for more cores, but of course will still be slower than by just not having the league loaded, or having it at a low detail level. Similar sort of thing with shortlisting the more / leagues players you have loaded the more benefits you can potentially see with more cores, however this is probably more than offset by the general slowdown from having more stuff loading as there's still a large portion of the game which is single threaded. In regards to best processors, as a general guide we tend to suggest using the following comparison site as a good gauge of the performance capabilities - https://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmark-List.2436.0.html Basic rule of thumb is the higher it is on the list, the better it is. You can edit it to show processors for desktops and also those that are considered 'archived' via the restriction options. Hope some of this is of use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fc.cadoni Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Will be interesting to see results from AMD Threadripper 3995WX. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegodfa Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 Maybe it would be interesting to inform us in the test whether the memory is single or dual channel, I believe it could have a significant impact, or not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fc.cadoni Posted December 27, 2021 Share Posted December 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, diegodfa said: Maybe it would be interesting to inform us in the test whether the memory is single or dual channel, I believe it could have a significant impact, or not? Will not make significant impact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 On 24/12/2021 at 13:51, fc.cadoni said: Will be interesting to see results from AMD Threadripper 3995WX. On 26/12/2021 at 14:45, Jarasso said: For me... More interesting will be AMD Ryzen 6950x with 3d V-cache 😎 I bet with everyone, it will be The Fastest, in Benchmark D 👹 You'll get better results from the fastest single core performance - as much of the game is still single core. Intel Core i9-12900KF Intel Core i9-12900K Intel Core i7-12700KF Intel Core i5-12600KF Intel Core i5-12600K Intel Core i7-12700K Should technically outperform the threadripper for FM. I don't know anything about the rumoured 6950x. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted December 29, 2021 Author Share Posted December 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Smurf said: You'll get better results from the fastest single core performance - as much of the game is still single core. Intel Core i9-12900KF Intel Core i9-12900K Intel Core i7-12700KF Intel Core i5-12600KF Intel Core i5-12600K Intel Core i7-12700K Should technically outperform the threadripper for FM. I don't know anything about the rumoured 6950x. I was thinking the same Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted December 30, 2021 Author Share Posted December 30, 2021 Results now compiled and added to the second post Full Spreadsheet - HERE Big thanks to all who have done the tests so far, some interesting results for sure. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted December 30, 2021 Author Share Posted December 30, 2021 Couple of things to fill the sheet please @DarJ - Can I get your model of laptop? @Ivalice - Can I get your amount of RAM? @jorgefespinoza - Can I get your processor model + RAM speed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompeyboyz Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 You have the wrong GPU for me down. I have the 1060 not 1660 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarJ Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 56 minutes ago, Brother Ben said: @DarJ - Can I get your model of laptop? Dell G5 5590 The newer models are call dell G15 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipknottin Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 (edited) Type: DesktopModel: CustomCPU Model: Ryzen 5600XCPU Base Frequency: 3.70 GHzCPU Turbo Frequency: 4.60 GHz (PBO and autoOC off)RAM: 32GBRAM Clockspeed: 3600MhzGPU: Nvidia GTX 1070Graphics Level in 3D: HighStorage Type: SSDBenchmark A: 00 min 55 SecBenchmark B: 04 min 42 SecBenchmark C: 10 min 55 SecBenchmark D: 35 min 00 Sec Quick re-test with PBO and AutoOC on = Benchmark A: 00 min 52 SecBenchmark B: 04 min 30 Sec Those second numbers mirror pretty closely to what f32q posted. I would imagine the Benchmark C and D are very close as well to his numbers. Edited January 1, 2022 by slipknottin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRC24 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Type: Laptop Model: ROG Strix G15 G513 CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 7 5800H CPU Base Frequency: 3.20 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.40 GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 3200Mhz GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Laptop GPU Graphics Level in 3D: High Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 1 min 08 sec Benchmark B: 5 min 50 sec Benchmark C: 11 min 08 sec Benchmark D: 32 min 17 sec 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalo Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Trying to justify upgrading my now ancient rig so figure I'd run it to see how much of an advantage I'd gain moving to a 12600 or 5900x. Type: Desktop Model: Custom CPU Model: Intel 2500k CPU Base Frequency: 4.5 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.5 GHz (Full time OC between 4.2 and 4,5 GHz since the day I've had it) RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 2133 MHz GPU: NVidia GTX 1070 Graphics Level in 3D: High Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 01 min 47 Sec Benchmark B: 07 min 27 Sec Benchmark C: 32 min 41 Sec 2500k 4 threads the really weakness on the last test. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalo Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) Started pricing up an upgrade yesterday and quickly realised the new mid range intel offerings were a good value proposition. 12400F, B660 motherboard and ram for $634AUD. Type: Desktop Model: Custom CPU Model: Intel 12400F CPU Base Frequency: 2.5 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.4 GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 3200 MHz GPU: NVidia GTX 1070 Graphics Level in 3D: High Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 00 min 56 Sec (Average of 2 runs, 55s and 57s) Benchmark B: 04 min 15 Sec (Average of 2 runs, 4min 07s and 4min 23s) Benchmark C: 15 min 47 Sec (Average of 2 runs, 15 min 23 Sec and 16min 11s) Was impressed with the results until C. Checked the load while running the test, maxed out all cores, didn't get too hot. Bit disappointed it gets blown away buy a 5600X here. Edited January 6, 2022 by Thalo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Thalo said: Bit disappointed it gets blown away buy a 5600X here. Its the extra cores, to be honest though I imagine a typical user is unlikely to put full detail on any other league than the one they are managing in anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalo Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Brother Ben said: Its the extra cores, to be honest though I imagine a typical user is unlikely to put full detail on any other league than the one they are managing in anyway Same cores and threads though. I'm guessing the all core is way higher than the 12400, which only gets to 4GHz for all cores. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Thalo said: Same cores and threads though. I'm guessing the all core is way higher than the 12400, which only gets to 4GHz for all cores. Yeah sorry you may well be right although Ryzen is renowned for its excellent performance from their cores/threads. These 12th gen Intels though, from an FM perspective at least, look exceptional in most typical use cases Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thalo Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 18 minutes ago, Brother Ben said: Yeah sorry you may well be right although Ryzen is renowned for its excellent performance from their cores/threads. These 12th gen Intels though, from an FM perspective at least, look exceptional in most typical use cases That's true. Much big cache in the 5600X, might be a factor. Considering a 5600X would still cost $150 more here, 12400 still represents good value especially in FM. Will be interesting to see how the 12th gen i3 CPUs compete. 12100F is only $179 in Aus compared to $299 for the 12400, and will still hit 4.3 GHz over 4 cores/8 threads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Thalo said: That's true. Much big cache in the 5600X, might be a factor. Considering a 5600X would still cost $150 more here, 12400 still represents good value especially in FM. Will be interesting to see how the 12th gen i3 CPUs compete. 12100F is only $179 in Aus compared to $299 for the 12400, and will still hit 4.3 GHz over 4 cores/8 threads. Yeah you're looking at it the right way really, it's all about performance per $ / £ which is quite hard to do as you have to factor in RAM and motherboards etc Shame there isn't an unlocked overclockable 12th Gen i3 really. That would really represent good value Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxXThund3rXxX Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Type: Desktop Model: Custom CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 CPU Base Frequency: 3.60 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.20 GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 3200Mhz GPU: AMD RX 5700 XT Graphics Level in 3D: High Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 01 min 16 Sec Benchmark B: 06 min 04 Sec Benchmark C: 12 min 50 Sec Benchmark D: N/A 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortshifted78 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) Type: Desktop Model: DIY HTPC CPU Model: Ryzen 7 5700G on ASRock B450M Pro4 motherboard CPU Base Frequency: Long story, but I am undervolting/underclocking so base is 3.7 GHz instead of 3.8GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: PBO is tweaked as well and 4.7 GHz is possible, but afterburner is telling me it is peaking at 4.65 GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 3733Mhz GPU: Ryzen 7 5700G overclocked to 2.25 GHz Graphics Level in 3D: still tweaking; but medium should work using high settings Storage Type: SSD; save game is on a WD green SATA SSD and FM22 is on WD Black SN750 NVMe SSD Benchmark A: 01 min 07 Sec average under balanced power plan, it was 1min 47 sec under power saver Benchmark B: 05 min 16 Sec average Benchmark C: 09 min 58 Sec Benchmark D: *28 min 50 Sec Benchmarks A&B really kept working on 2 of my cores and my temps were stable in the 55C range for both sets of tests. When I went to benchmark C that is when all the cores kicked in, particularly on Wednesday & Saturday, and my temps jumped to 83C. Room temp was around 64F (17-18C) *Benchmark D note: The game made it to Saturday by the 11:01 mark, but by about the 15:15 mark the temps hit my thermal limit of 87C and so the CPU backed off to running just 2 cores while the other 6 went to the base clock for about a minute; temps dropped about 20 degrees. By about 16:20 all the cores were active again and temps were climbing. Temps climbed to about 85C twice more before Saturday ended at the 23:45 mark. Edited April 20, 2022 by shortshifted78 update graphics level 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightwatchman Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Type: Desktop Model: Custom CPU Model: Intel Core i3-10100F CPU Base Frequency: 3.60 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.30 GHz RAM: 16GB DDR4 RAM Clockspeed: 2666MHz GPU: Nvidia GeForce GT-1030 2GB Graphics Level in 3D: High Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A : 01 min 12 SecBenchmark B : 05 min 58 SecBenchmark C : 17 min 01 Sec 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diez Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) Type: Desktop Model: Custom CPU Model: Intel Core i7 8700K CPU Base Frequency: 3.60 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.70 GHz RAM: 16 GB DDR4 (CAS 15) RAM Clockspeed: 3600 MHz GPU: NVIDIA RTX 3060 Ti 8GB Graphics Level in 3D: Very High Storage Type: SSD NVMe Benchmark A: 01 min 02 Sec Benchmark B: 05 min 05 Sec Benchmark C: 11 min 28 Sec Benchmark D: xx min xx Sec Edited January 15, 2022 by Diez 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powermonger Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 (edited) My new 5900X build: Type: Custom desktop Model: Desktop CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X CPU Base Frequency: 3.7 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.8 GHz RAM: 64GB RAM Clockspeed: @3200 MHz (16-18-18-38) GPU: AMD Radeon 5700 XT 8GB Graphics Level in 3D: Very high Storage Type: NVMe SSD M.2 (Gen 4) Benchmark A: 50 secs ️ Benchmark B: 4 min 14 secs Benchmark C: 7 mins 11 secs Benchmark D: 19min 07 secs Auto OC Enabled: Benchmark A: 47 secs️ Benchmark B: 4 min 11 secs Benchmark C: 7 mins 0 secs Benchmark D: 18 mins 26 secs Edited January 18, 2022 by Powermonger Add Auto OC results 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroi Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Hi, noob question here! In scenarios B and C, does the 123 leagues refer to playable leagues? Finally got a decent computer so starting to look at a better database setup for my saves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 59 minutes ago, Leeroi said: Hi, noob question here! In scenarios B and C, does the 123 leagues refer to playable leagues? Finally got a decent computer so starting to look at a better database setup for my saves. Yes, its every league available "out of the box" in FM22. All playable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroi Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, Brother Ben said: Yes, its every league available "out of the box" in FM22. All playable Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted January 21, 2022 Author Share Posted January 21, 2022 ****Second Post screenshots updated***** Huge thanks to all who have done tests so far Here's the link to the spreadsheet Link to second post 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Great work compiling all the info @Brother Ben 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powermonger Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Looks like the FM differences between the 12900K and the 5900X in processing follow similar benchmarks with Blender and Cinebench comparisons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holsti Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Type: Workstation Model: Custom CPU Model: Intel Core i5 12600K CPU Base Frequency: 3.70 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.90 GHz RAM: 16 GB RAM Clockspeed: 3600 Mhz GPU: R9 290 Graphics Level in 3D: low Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 52 sec Benchmark B: Benchmark C: Benchmark D: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVO Kabs Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Looking at this just make me realize I only get 1.79ghz on my cpu under load running FM. Time for an upgrade. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVO Kabs Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Glad to see I have the longest times of all haha. What would my options be if I wanted to do a save that had some depth of players but wouldn't be impossible to wait on? Type: Laptop Model: Dell XPS 13 (4k Res 2018 Model) CPU Model: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8550U CPU @ 1.80GHz 1.99 GHz CPU Base Frequency: 1.99 GHz(capped at 1.79 in game can't get it unlocked past that) GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.0 GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 2133Mhz GPU: Intel UHD 620 Graphics Graphics Level in 3D: Very Low with crowd on Low Storage Type: SSD Benchmark A: 6 min 48 Sec Benchmark B: 33 min 35 Sec Benchmark C: 1 hr 27 min 20 Sec 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 13 hours ago, OVO Kabs said: Looking at this just make me realize I only get 1.79ghz on my cpu under load running FM. Time for an upgrade. Doesn't sound right. What power profile do you have your laptop on? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVO Kabs Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 58 minutes ago, Brother Ben said: Doesn't sound right. What power profile do you have your laptop on? Ultimate performance. I go back and forth with enabling the right settings but thats the best performance I get (posted an hour ago). The laptop I think is throttled it comes with only Dell and Balanced power plans and I had to fight through hell to get Dell's removed and other settings like Processor Max state I can't enable no matter what I do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVO Kabs Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Brother Ben said: Doesn't sound right. What power profile do you have your laptop on? Also wanted to add that during the tests I had my CPU go down as much as 1.20 ghz and it got up to 70 degrees. For the C benchmark I had my laptop outside and it was at a good 60-65. Didn't want to dare run D haha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 4 hours ago, OVO Kabs said: Also wanted to add that during the tests I had my CPU go down as much as 1.20 ghz and it got up to 70 degrees. For the C benchmark I had my laptop outside and it was at a good 60-65. Didn't want to dare run D haha 70 degrees aint bad for a laptop, mine regularly hits 80 -90. There is something else going on here that is preventing your laptop from reaching its turbo speed. Did you check the power profile? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVO Kabs Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 47 minutes ago, Brother Ben said: 70 degrees aint bad for a laptop, mine regularly hits 80 -90. There is something else going on here that is preventing your laptop from reaching its turbo speed. Did you check the power profile? I disabled the intelppm in my registry as it was throttling my CPU to under 1.0ghz under FM load. FM and discord/firefox is the only thing I use on this laptop so bummer it doesn't seem to work how it should. Does my performance benchmark not seem accurate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVO Kabs Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Brother Ben said: 70 degrees aint bad for a laptop, mine regularly hits 80 -90. There is something else going on here that is preventing your laptop from reaching its turbo speed. Did you check the power profile? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVO Kabs Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Considering my specs above, what size data base can I comfortably run? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarJ Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 I agree with @Brother Ben there is something wrong going on with your laptop, it should be performing way better. Have you checked if turbo boost is disabled in the bios? If it is enable it then you can use a program like throttlestop to limit the CPU clock speed at around 3.4 GHz then undervolt. I you do that the temps wont go higher than 70 degrees 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVO Kabs Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 I have Quick CPU for optimizing the CPU performance, I have turbo on currently; would thorttlestop be better? @DarJ I looked up the specs for my lap top and it has everything but the integrated graphics is only 128vram and FM requires 256. Menus are really buggy to load and it is slow to process menus but I made do because I figured I had to other option Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarJ Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, OVO Kabs said: I have Quick CPU for optimizing the CPU performance, I have turbo on currently; would thorttlestop be better? @DarJ I looked up the specs for my lap top and it has everything but the integrated graphics is only 128vram and FM requires 256. Menus are really buggy to load and it is slow to process menus but I made do because I figured I had to other option I just did a quick google and found someone that was having the same problem as you and installing the dell power manager app worked for him so try that. This is the forum if you want to read through it. https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/dell-xps-cpu-only-running-at-65-speed.3389849/ If it works for you let me know Edited February 8, 2022 by DarJ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVO Kabs Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 1 hour ago, DarJ said: I just did a quick google and found someone that was having the same problem as you and installing the dell power manager app worked for him so try that. This is the forum if you want to read through it. https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/dell-xps-cpu-only-running-at-65-speed.3389849/ If it works for you let me know Alas that did not help. I removed all my dell apps like the user stated. I will try the Dell forums this is really a rare issue its frustrating to say the least. idk3 idk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarJ Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 @OVO KabsI think I understand why it does that. I looked back at the image you posted earlier of quick CPU and you can see that the TDP is only 15W so even if the processor is capable of more it is power limited to just 15 W because the chassis won't be able to handle cooling. The frequency of 4GHz can be achieved at around 40W or more. To keep it simple the processor is not receiving enough power to go that fast and it was done by design. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVO Kabs Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 @DarJ That would make sense. Can I not increase that power limit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVO Kabs Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Its okay if I need a new laptop. I'll count it as a bad purchase made and will need to do better diligence and manage until I can budget enough for a new device. May try flipping my current XPS to settle the cost. I know I am limiting my odds on wanting a thin ultrabook that can run FM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarJ Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 10 hours ago, OVO Kabs said: I know I am limiting my odds on wanting a thin ultrabook that can run FM If you've got the money for it the base M1 mac will do a good job and it's thin and light as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVO Kabs Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 5 hours ago, DarJ said: If you've got the money for it the base M1 mac will do a good job and it's thin and light as well What year model? I have fallen behind on mac os devices really since I got my 2016 Air stolen at a hotel but for the two weeks I had it I recall it running FM17 like a beast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarJ Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 1 minute ago, OVO Kabs said: What year model? I have fallen behind on mac os devices really since I got my 2016 Air stolen at a hotel but for the two weeks I had it I recall it running FM17 like a beast. The M1 macbook air came out in 2020 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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