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FM21 setup for comparison in spoiler

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Benchmark A - Download - 12/09/2022 - 19/09/2021

Benchmark B - Download - 12/09/2022 - 19/09/2021

Benchmark C - Download - 12/09/2022 - 19/09/2021

Benchmark D - Download - 12/09/2022 - 19/09/2021

 

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Hello all and welcome to the Football Manager 2022 Benchmarking thread.

This year i've decided to keep the tests the same or as close to the same as last year.  I'm not too sure sure how useful a comparison between the two will be as despite the similarity in tests the amount of games played in the same time period could well be different.  The date also had to be moved slightly as the same date was an international weekend.

With that in mind any conclusions will be purely anecdotal but it may prove interesting none the less.  It is also worth noting that there are 4 more leagues this year.

Despite asking in another thread about what everyones standard setup is for FM with a view to changing Benchmark A i've decided to go with exactly the same setup as last year as I think it represents a decent cross section of players and allows those with lower end systems to get involved too.

Benchmark B & C are again the standard "all leagues from all nations" tests with a little extra detail added to Bench C  to put those multiple core systems through their paces.

Back again this year by popular demand is Benchmark D.  This benchmark is maximum everything, all leagues, players and detail.  I would recommend this benchmark for only those with top end systems. A big thanks to @Daveincid for setting this up again.

 

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Previous years.

FM20 Benchmarking Thread

FM21 Benchmarking Thread

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Posting Results

In order to get the most accurate / consistent result possible, I advise you to restart your PC / Laptop and then close everything that is unnecessary, leaving only FM open.  If you run the game on a laptop, don't forget to plug it in the socket before you begin and also for laptop users make sure your system is in high power mode.

After you load the save, ensure that auto save interval is disabled, and also set processing to Fast (Less Responsive), both can be found by using the search bar in Preferences.

Below is the format in which I advise you to post your results, it's pretty much the same as previous years, don't worry if you aren't sure of the Base/Turbo frequencies of your processor as I can find this out for you as long as you know the CPU Model.

To find out the specs of your PC open the spoiler below

  

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You can download this program HERE

once you've installed it the CPU tab will give you the type of CPU, it can be found under specification.  don't worry about CPU speed I can work that out from the model number

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click on the "memory" tab and you will be presented with this

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The type and size are top left

The speed is DRAM frequency.  You need to double this figure. (DDR = Double Data Rate)

So the above is 534 x 2 = 1068MHz 

 

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Quick reminder again this year i'll be asking for your Graphics level in 3D.

What this means is what graphics level you set in the game to get a smooth experience.  This should prove invaluable for the guys over at the New PC/Laptop recommendation thread so be sure to fill that in too

Below are my results for you to follow as a template:

Type: Laptop

Model: Macbook Air

CPU Model: M1

CPU Base Frequency: 3.20 GHz

CPU Turbo Frequency: 3.20 GHz

RAM: 8GB

RAM Clockspeed: 4266Mhz

GPU: M1 7 Core Apple

Graphics Level in 3D: High

Storage Type: SSD

Benchmark A: 01 min 07 Sec

Benchmark B: 05 min 40 Sec

Benchmark C: xx min xx Sec

Benchmark D: xx min xx Sec

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We had 97 benchmarks last year so if we can break the 100 barrier that would be awesome!

Any queries about the benchmarks feel free to let me know

Happy testing folks and massive thanks in advance!

 

 

 

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Great to see this thread back.  Interested in year-over-year change, albeit non-conclusive as you note due to changing test parameters.  Kept my own results for at the time a 8700K, then 5800X, and now 5900X for FM22.  Will dig them up.

Type: Desktop

Model: Self build

CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X

CPU Base Frequency: 3.70 GHz

CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.80 GHz

RAM: 32GB

RAM Clockspeed: 3600Mhz

GPU: EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3

Graphics Level in 3D: Very High

Storage Type: SSD (game installed on C: Samsung 980 Pro 1TB NVMe)

Benchmark A: 53 Secs

Benchmark B: 04 min 29 Sec

Benchmark C: 07 min 32 Sec

Benchmark D: xx min xx Sec

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Type: Desktop

Model: Self build

CPU Model: Intel Core i7 9700K

CPU Base Frequency: 3.60 GHz

CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.60 GHz

RAM: 16GB DDR4

RAM Clockspeed: 2600Mhz

GPU: Nvidia Geforce GTX 980Ti

Graphics Level in 3D: Very High

Storage Type: SSD (Kingston SNVS 2TB NVMe M.2)

Windows 11 21H2 (22000.318)

Benchmark A: 01 min 05 Sec

Benchmark B: 05 min 43 Sec

Benchmark C: 11 min 59 Sec


Interesting to see that Benchmark A & B is an improvement from FM21 but Benchmark C is not. C is about a minute slower on my system.
Also a bit disappointing to see that FM22 consistently used only 22% of my CPU capacity, with very few spikes up to 100% (Mainly match days). I would have preferred FM to utilize a few percentages more on days without matches. Maybe around 10%-20% more?
In benchmark C it did utilize 100% on match days. 

I expected better results on Benchmark C. 

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Type: Desktop

Model: Custom

CPU Model: Ryzen 5950X

CPU Base Frequency: 3.40 GHz

CPU Turbo Frequency: Varies. PBO overclocking is enabled, typical all core load would be something like 4.6GHz on all 16 cores. Single core boost can do up to 5.1GHz.

RAM: 64GB

RAM Clockspeed: 3133Mhz

GPU: Nvidia 2080 Ti

Graphics Level in 3D: Very High

Storage Type: NVME PCIE 3.0 SSD

 

Benchmark A - 0:54
Benchmark B - 4:43
Benchmark C - 6:59


Again there is still almost no parallelisation with the QME and general game engine, if this took advantage of multiple cores like every single computer on the planet, there would be massive speedups. Benchmark A would complete in about 4-5 seconds for me at full load.

I have no idea why SI don't improve this. Even if the QME does take into account other results in the league (unlikely), you could run say PL games on one core, Championship games on another core, Liga 1 on another, and so on.


Checking CPU usage during benchmark C there were brief periods where it would use all 16 cores, but this would quickly drop off back to a thread or two. When the game actually bothers to load the CPU the work completes very quickly.

In 2021 despite multicore being dominant for a well over a decade, the game is almost completely single threaded, despite the fact that it should be embarassingly parallel.

This game could be so much faster for literally 100% of users. Not just people on the 0.1% high end machines. Everyone, from a basic laptop to near supercomputers. How can you get a better return on investment than improving performance for 100% of people?

Extremely disappointing that even with Benchmark C with an extra 33% more cores than the 5900X the speedup is about 7% when you compare to Phil's results.

We have a game based entirely around crunching numbers, and practically 90% of it is still to this day single threaded even under the best case scenarios for multithreading.

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Type: Desktop

Model: Custom

CPU Model: Intel Xeon E3-1240 V2 (Ivy Bridge 4C/8T) Q2'12

CPU Base Frequency: 3.40 GHz

CPU Turbo Frequency: 3.80 GHz

RAM: 8GB DDR3 

RAM Clockspeed: 1600MHz (CL 9-9-9-24 1T)

GPU: nVidia Geforce GT 1030 2GB GDDR5

Graphics Level in 3D: High

Storage Type: SSD

 

Benchmark A: 01 min 58 Sec

Benchmark B: 09 min 09 Sec

Benchmark C: 25 min 35 Sec (CPU Temp Reach Max 92° Celcius) 

Benchmark D: Computer says No!

" I'm optimistic that my Xeon will be the oldest CPU tested here... " LOL

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Type:  Laptop

Model: Dell G5 5590

CPU Model:  intel i7 9750H

CPU Base Frequency: 2.60 GHz

CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.50 GHz

RAM: 16GB DDR4 

RAM Clockspeed: 2667MHz

GPU: NVidia Geforce GTX 1660 Ti

Graphics Level in 3D: Very High

Storage Type: HDD

 

Benchmark A: 01 min 33 Sec

Benchmark B: 07 min 57 Sec

Benchmark C: 16 min 45 Sec 

Benchmark D: xx min xx Sec

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1 hour ago, roykela said:

Interesting to see that Benchmark A & B is an improvement from FM21 but Benchmark C is not. C is about a minute slower on my system.
 

Having compared, I think the difference is that there are more midweek matches for other nations this year (slower for C) but no English transfer window deadline day (quicker for all)

Hope that makes sense?!

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42 minutes ago, PineappleBlender said:

This game could be so much faster for literally 100% of users. Not just people on the 0.1% high end machines. Everyone, from a basic laptop to near supercomputers. How can you get a better return on investment than improving performance for 100% of people?

Would that not require a complete rebuild of the entire thing though?

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9 minutes ago, Brother Ben said:

Would that not require a complete rebuild of the entire thing though?

Even if it does, I don't think it's like ME where tweaking one thing can cause multiple issues elsewhere (not saying it's an easy job either)

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Type: Desktop

Model: Self build

CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X

CPU Base Frequency: 3.70 GHz

CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.80 GHz

RAM: 32GB

RAM Clockspeed: 3600Mhz

GPU: AMD Radeon R9 200 Series

Graphics Level in 3D: Very High

Storage Type: SSD

Benchmark A: 54 Secs

Benchmark B: 04 min 35 Sec

Benchmark C: 07 min 39 Sec

 

@PineappleBlender: Very well said! I did a huge hardware upgrade on my computer and I'm glad that the FM finally is playable for me now. But it's still disappointing to see that there would be so much more possible. This game is all about calculation, it's the core of the game, together with its large database, which unfortunately is unenjoyable even with the best CPU's as long as there is no proper parallelization.

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1 hour ago, PineappleBlender said:

Extremely disappointing that even with Benchmark C with an extra 33% more cores than the 5900X the speedup is about 7% when you compare to Phil's results.

This is true of a lot of software to be fair

Benchmark D when its ready will be a better test of multiple cores

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Type:  Laptop

Model: Dell G3 3500

CPU Model:  Intel i7 10750H 

CPU Base Frequency: 2.60 GHz

CPU Turbo Frequency: -

RAM: 16GB DDR4 

RAM Clockspeed: -

GPU: NVidia Geforce GTX 1660 Ti

Graphics Level in 3D: Very High

Storage Type: SSD

 

Benchmark A: 01 min 21 Sec

Benchmark B: 06 min 34 Sec

Benchmark C: xx min xx Sec 

Benchmark D: xx min xx Sec

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@Brother BenThx for this topic once again. To add to @PineappleBlender, when modded my I9 does use all cores for 95% of the whole simulation (even having to block FM accessing the 10th core cause of the full CPU load), so it also depends on the workload. This game (running it modded with over 200 leagues and 400k players) is the sole reason I upgraded from Kaby Lake to Comet Lake last year (yeah...Intel was way cheaper here). Anyone contributing with Alder Lake in benchmarking would be greatly appreciated. Wanna see if I should jump cpu brand.

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29 minutes ago, Jolyon Chen said:

@Brother BenThx for this topic once again. To add to @PineappleBlender, when modded my I9 does use all cores for 95% of the whole simulation (even having to block FM accessing the 10th core cause of the full CPU load), so it also depends on the workload. This game (running it modded with over 200 leagues and 400k players) is the sole reason I upgraded from Kaby Lake to Comet Lake last year (yeah...Intel was way cheaper here). Anyone contributing with Alder Lake in benchmarking would be greatly appreciated. Wanna see if I should jump cpu brand.

There was a late entry from an Alder lake in the FM21 thread and the performance was very impressive.  Top 4 in all tests and top for benchmark b.

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Type: Desktop

Model: Self build

CPU Model: Intel Core i7 9700K

CPU Base Frequency: 3.60 GHz

CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.8ghz all core

RAM: 16GB DDR4

RAM Clock speed: 3200Mhz

GPU: Nvidia GeForce RTX 2070

Graphics Level in 3D: Very High

Storage Type: SSD (Adata sx8200 1tb NVMe M.2)

Windows 11 21H2 

Benchmark A: 01 min 05 Sec @ 4.8ghz. and  A 59 secs @ 5ghz. So really no point having at 5ghz just for an extra 5 seconds 

Benchmark B: 05 min 25 Sec

Benchmark C: 11 min 25 Sec

I have got an i7 11700k to do just got to install FM22 on that system

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I should be getting an Alder Lake build hopefully in next few weeks once some DDR5 Ram is available...may also be interesting to see if DDR5 makes any difference in FM (Doubt it though going by other games benchmarks)

 

Will post my results once i've got it all set up.

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Type: Desktop

Model: Custom

CPU Model: i9 - 12900k

CPU Base Frequency:  3.2 ghz/2.4 ghz

CPU Turbo Frequency: 5.2 ghz/3.9 ghz

RAM: 32GB DDR5

RAM Clockspeed: 5200 Mhz

GPU: NVIDIA GTX 1080 - 8gb

Graphics Level in 3D: Very High

Storage Type: SSD (PCIe 4)

 

Benchmark A: 41 sec

Benchmark B: 03 min 43 sec

Benchmark C: 06 min 04 sec

Benchmark D: 16 min 37 sec

 

@Jolyon Chenhere are my results

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Type: Desktop

Model: Self Build

CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 5 3600

CPU Base Frequency: 3.60 GHz

CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.20 GHz

RAM: 16GB DDR4

RAM Clockspeed: 3200Mhz

GPU: GTX 1060 6GB

Graphics Level in 3D: Very High

Storage Type: HDD

Benchmark A: 01 min 32 Sec

Benchmark B: 06 min 11 Sec

Benchmark C: 13 min 26 Sec

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9 minutes ago, Brother Ben said:

It would be a lot quicker on an SSD, save times would be better too but the game itself wouldn't be much different

What about if I had the game itself on an SSD but the save files on my HHD?

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Type: Laptop

Model: DELL G5 15 5587

CPU Model: Intel Core i7 8750H

CPU Base Frequency:  2.20 GHz

CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.10 GHz

RAM: 24GB (Laptop originally came with 8GB)

RAM Clockspeed: 2400Mhz & 2667Mhz

GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti

Graphics Level in 3D: High

Storage Type: SSD

Benchmark A: 01 min 34 Sec

Benchmark B: 07 min 14 Sec

Benchmark C: 20 min 48 Sec

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Type: Desktop

Model: Custom

CPU Model: Intel Pentium G4560

CPU Base Frequency: 3.5GHz

CPU Turbo Frequency: N/A

RAM: 8 GB

RAM Clockspeed: @2400Mhz

GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti - 4 GB GDDR5

Graphics Level in 3D: Very High

Storage Type: HDD

 

Benchmark A: 02 min 11Sec

Benchmark B: 08 min 40 Sec

Benchmark C: -

Benchmark D: -

It's definitely improvement over FM21. A and B tests are 2x faster than last years game (A - 3:59, B - 16:25)

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I don't think anyone at SI (who is technical at least) doesn't realise that outside certain scenarios, the game is laregly single threaded, as its self evident!

However it is probably a re-write of the game to multi-thread most the bits that aren't, the game is so interdependent, its just not paralleiseable atm without having locks everywhere which would destroy the performance and memory usage. The basic structure of the game was designed before multi-core CPU's were really a thing (very early 2000's).

Sorry you are disappointed but no one is in denial, but it is just not an easily fixable problem.

btw the QME is fully threaded, thing is they are so quick as that its virtually irrelevent.

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Hello everyone, My results:

Type: Desktop

Model: Custom

CPU Model: Ryzen 5900x

CPU Base Frequency: 3700

CPU Turbo Frequency: N/A

RAM: 8 GB

RAM Clockspeed: @3600Mhz 14,14,14,14,28

GPU: radeon 480

Graphics Level in 3D: Very High

Storage Type: SDD Samsung 980 pro

A: 51 s
B: 4:12
C: 7:08


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7 hours ago, grimbo88 said:

Type: Desktop

Model: Custom

CPU Model: i9 - 12900k

CPU Base Frequency:  3.2 ghz/2.4 ghz

CPU Turbo Frequency: 5.2 ghz/3.9 ghz

RAM: 32GB DDR5

RAM Clockspeed: 5200 Mhz

GPU: NVIDIA GTX 1080 - 8gb

Graphics Level in 3D: Very High

Storage Type: SSD (PCIe 4)

 

Benchmark A: 41 sec

Benchmark B: 03 min 43 sec

Benchmark C: 06 min 04 sec

 

@Jolyon Chenhere are my results

Nice one. Thx a lot. You seem quite quicker in Benchmark C than last year without any update whatsoever. Interesting to see what Benchmark D will do.

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Type: Laptop

Model: MSI GS66 Stealth

CPU Model: i7-11800H

CPU Base Frequency: 2.30 GHz

CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.60 GHz

RAM: 16GB

RAM Clockspeed: ?

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GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060

Graphics Level in 3D: High

Storage Type: SSD

Benchmark A: 01 min 08 Sec

Benchmark B: 06 min 02 Sec

Benchmark C: 11 min 39 Sec

Benchmark D: xx min xx Sec (waiting for the file)

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5 hours ago, Ivalice said:

MBP 16 Inch, 32 GB, M1 MAX

high power mode on battery and plugged-in result pretty much the same.

A: 1.07

B: 5.54

3D: All high, AA off.

Just as a general FYI, you can 100% max out the 3D settings with that spec. I've got it maxed out - including high AA - on the M1 Air (the 16GB version with the extra graphics core) and it runs buttery smooth.

Shows how single core FM is, that your A and B times are almost identical to the base model Air posted above. God I love the M1 Air - incredible machine for the price.

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Type: Desktop

CPU Model: Intel i7 8086k

CPU Base Frequency: 4.0GHz

CPU Turbo Frequency: 5.0GHz

RAM: 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4

RAM Clockspeed: 3600MHz

GPU: Asus NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Super 8gb

Graphics Level in 3D: Very high

Storage Type: Samsung 860 EVO SSD 500GB

OS: Windows 11 Pro 64-bit  

Benchmark A: 1 minute 09 seconds

Benchmark B: 5 minutes 51 seconds

Benchmark C: 12 minutes 22 seconds

Benchmark D: 39 minutes 15 seconds

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Type: Mac desktop

Model: Mac mini (M1, 2020)

CPU Model: 8-core CPU with 4 performance cores and 4 efficiency cores

RAM: 8GB

GPU: 8-core GPU

Graphics Level in 3D: High

Storage Type: SSD

OS: macOS Monterey 12.0.1

Benchmark A: 1 minute 11 seconds

Benchmark B: 6 minutes 4 seconds

Benchmark C: 14 minutes 27 seconds

Was wondering if there were any updates on the native (ARM) Apple M1 version of Football Manager 2022?

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Finally early to the benchmark :D

 

Type: Desktop

Model: Custom

CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X

CPU Base Frequency: 3.70 GHz

CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.80 GHz

RAM: 32GB

RAM Clockspeed: 3600Mhz (16-18-18-38)

GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 TI - 12GB

Graphics Level in 3D: Very High

Storage Type: 2 x Samsung 970 evo 2TB in Raid0

Benchmark A: 51 Sec

Benchmark B: 4 min 14 Sec

Benchmark C: 7 min 7 Sec

Benchmark D: xx min xx Sec (To be updated)

 

Notes: PBO enabled, tried test A twice to see if there is any difference, both runs were 51 seconds. 

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17 minutes ago, Brother Ben said:

I can't see it being a priority sadly, probably not economical given the size of the player base

No, actually if the code can run in ARM aka Nintendo Switch natively, there is a real chance to do this with minimal cost.

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Type: Laptop

Model: 14" MacBook Pro M1 Pro

CPU Model: 10-Core

RAM: 16GB

GPU: 16-Core

Graphics Level in 3D: Very High

Storage Type: SSD

Benchmark A: 1:08.07

Benchmark B: 5:50.49

Benchmark C: 10:46.03

Benchmark D: 31:10.46

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21 hours ago, EdL said:

I don't think anyone at SI (who is technical at least) doesn't realise that outside certain scenarios, the game is laregly single threaded, as its self evident!

However it is probably a re-write of the game to multi-thread most the bits that aren't, the game is so interdependent, its just not paralleiseable atm without having locks everywhere which would destroy the performance and memory usage. The basic structure of the game was designed before multi-core CPU's were really a thing (very early 2000's).

Sorry you are disappointed but no one is in denial, but it is just not an easily fixable problem.

btw the QME is fully threaded, thing is they are so quick as that its virtually irrelevent.

It’s time for game to be into next level; I am pretty sure all the community can accept any delay from the point when the deadline being announced. :-)

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Am 13.11.2021 um 12:26 schrieb Kruj:

Type: Desktop

Model: Self build

CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X

CPU Base Frequency: 3.70 GHz

CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.80 GHz

RAM: 32GB

RAM Clockspeed: 3600Mhz

GPU: AMD Radeon R9 200 Series

Graphics Level in 3D: Very High

Storage Type: SSD

Benchmark A: 54 Secs

Benchmark B: 04 min 35 Sec

Benchmark C: 07 min 39 Sec

Benchmark D: 19 min 49 Sec

 

I'm a bit disappointed with the result. Benchmark D was a lot quicker last year, around the 13 minutes mark (I don't have FM21 so I did no Benchmark last year, but the results of others with the 5900X were a lot better).

I'm curious about further results in this thread.

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Benchmark D (all cores): 16:33.

As a rough approximation if you compare this to Kruj's result, this means my result with 33% more cores is about 20% faster for Benchmark D. This is obviously better than ~7% faster in Benchmark C, but for most practical purposes as discussed earlier it's pretty much all single threaded.

 

1 hour ago, Kruj said:

Benchmark D: 19 min 49 Sec

 

I'm a bit disappointed with the result. Benchmark D was a lot quicker last year, around the 13 minutes mark (I don't have FM21 so I did no Benchmark last year, but the results of others with the 5900X were a lot better).

I'm curious about further results in this thread.

I don't think you can directly compare, because it might be that FM22 has more fixtures. The benchmarking thread is useful, but for a direct comparison between versions it would probably need SI to create a special save file with dummy data (i.e. no licensing to worry about) where they could use the same data each year.

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1 hour ago, Kruj said:

Benchmark D: 19 min 49 Sec

 

I'm a bit disappointed with the result. Benchmark D was a lot quicker last year, around the 13 minutes mark (I don't have FM21 so I did no Benchmark last year, but the results of others with the 5900X were a lot better).

I'm curious about further results in this thread.

It's a totally different test, I wouldn't compare to last year, best to compare to computers that have similar spec to your own this year

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I have added my Benchmark D results for Alder Lake. I may run this again when the LGA1700 screws come for my cooler, my Mobo has both LGA1200 (currently using) and LGA1700 connections so there may be a difference in temps, I hit 100° in this test so there will have been throttling.

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25 minutes ago, grimbo88 said:

I have added my Benchmark D results for Alder Lake. I may run this again when the LGA1700 screws come for my cooler, my Mobo has both LGA1200 (currently using) and LGA1700 connections so there may be a difference in temps, I hit 100° in this test so there will have been throttling.

Did it hit 100% on all cores?

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