tajj7 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Just an FYI if you didn't know, some of the scouting regions have changed. Scandinavia is now 'Northern Europe' for some reason, I think it is the same countries though. You now have 'Western Europe' - which is basically Portugal, Spain and France. South America East & West have become South America (North) and South America (South), the latter includes Brazil along with Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay etc. (North is Columbia, Ecuador, Peru, Venezuela etc.) South Europe is now Italy together with Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia (I think) Central Europe is now Holland, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia I haven't included them all, but if you look at your Scouting Knowledge map, then click on each region it will highlight the countries in that region, although it could be clearer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Am I only one really confused about this new scouting lark? I rather go back to simple regions like South America east or West. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powermonger Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Think I’d prefer the European scouting areas look more like this map with the exception of UK and Ireland still it’s own region like in game. The Balkans should be their own scouting region in FM. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gouranga Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 This is way overdue and much better! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon92 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 ora fa, Gouranga ha scritto: This is way overdue and much better! Finally! I used to manually assign countries to divide scouting regions, as I believe they were too crowded (Eastern Europe had SO many countries to scout). Does anyone have a list of the new regions? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrazT Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 19 hours ago, tajj7 said: Just an FYI if you didn't know, some of the scouting regions have changed. Scandinavia is now 'Northern Europe' for some reason, I think it is the same countries though. You now have 'Western Europe' - which is basically Portugal, Spain and France. South America East & West have become South America (North) and South America (South), the latter includes Brazil along with Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay etc. (North is Columbia, Ecuador, Peru, Venezuela etc.) South Europe is now Italy together with Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia (I think) Central Europe is now Holland, Belgium, Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia I haven't included them all, but if you look at your Scouting Knowledge map, then click on each region it will highlight the countries in that region, although it could be clearer. Like most of the minor changes, we will get used to it with use. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajj7 Posted October 23, 2021 Author Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, FrazT said: Like most of the minor changes, we will get used to it with use. It wasn't a criticism really, it was so people wouldn't just send their scouts to regions and wonder why there weren't getting reports from certain countries. In some cases it definitely makes more sense as some regions like Eastern Europe and Central Europe previously had too many countries in them. Though I think the interface could be clearer showing you exactly the countries in the region and maybe adding names to them on the map. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon92 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 is there a list of all the changes and the new resulting scouting regions somewhere? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bojanbbz94 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 I don't really mind what the scouting regions are as long as: A) There is some internal logic to them. B) There is a quick and easy in-game way to look a list of countries in each region. Culturally and geographically, there are perfectly reasonable arguments to suggest that Spain and Italy are 'Southern European' and/or 'Western European' nations. Depending on your perspective, Germany and Austria could both easily be defined as being in 'Western Europe' or 'Central Europe'. For the purposes of the game, I'm not sure it really matters which precise definitions they use as long as the names make sense at a glance. Point B is far more important. It's always struck me as quite absurd that it's easier to look up scouting regions online than finding them in game. There should be a colour-coded world map on the Scouting Knowledge page, and when you are setting up scouting assignments the list of countries in a region should be listed in brackets when you select it. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leon92 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 6 minuti fa, Bojanbbz94 ha scritto: I don't really mind what the scouting regions are as long as: A) There is some internal logic to them. B) There is a quick and easy in-game way to look a list of countries in each region. Culturally and geographically, there are perfectly reasonable arguments to suggest that Spain and Italy are 'Southern European' and/or 'Western European' nations. Depending on your perspective, Germany and Austria could both easily be defined as being in 'Western Europe' or 'Central Europe'. For the purposes of the game, I'm not sure it really matters which precise definitions they use as long as the names make sense at a glance. Point B is far more important. It's always struck me as quite absurd that it's easier to look up scouting regions online than finding them in game. There should be a colour-coded world map on the Scouting Knowledge page, and when you are setting up scouting assignments the list of countries in a region should be listed in brackets when you select it. I agree, setting up scouts manually and in an efficient way is very tedious the way it is right now, maybe its worth posting in the feature suggetions forum 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 I am finding it quite confusing sadly! I agree, when you select a region, list of countries should pop up! Instead of taking a wild guess! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajj7 Posted October 23, 2021 Author Share Posted October 23, 2021 15 minutes ago, Bojanbbz94 said: I don't really mind what the scouting regions are as long as: A) There is some internal logic to them. B) There is a quick and easy in-game way to look a list of countries in each region. Culturally and geographically, there are perfectly reasonable arguments to suggest that Spain and Italy are 'Southern European' and/or 'Western European' nations. Depending on your perspective, Germany and Austria could both easily be defined as being in 'Western Europe' or 'Central Europe'. For the purposes of the game, I'm not sure it really matters which precise definitions they use as long as the names make sense at a glance. Point B is far more important. It's always struck me as quite absurd that it's easier to look up scouting regions online than finding them in game. There should be a colour-coded world map on the Scouting Knowledge page, and when you are setting up scouting assignments the list of countries in a region should be listed in brackets when you select it. Interesting that you mention Austria because as far as I can see Austria and Switzerland don't seem to be in any region when I look at the maps. They are not highlighted red in Central Europe, South Europe or Eastern Europe, despite being in between all those regions. Unless I am missing something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britrock Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 23 hours ago, Leon92 said: is there a list of all the changes and the new resulting scouting regions somewhere? If you go to the scouting knowledge page you can click on the regions and it'll highlight the countries Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalseNineteen Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 On 23/10/2021 at 13:45, Leon92 said: is there a list of all the changes and the new resulting scouting regions somewhere? I had a list from last year in an Excel document, and I've updated my list. 99% sure these are correct, but a few may have slipped past me. Spoiler Anguilla Caribbean Antigua & Barbuda Caribbean Aruba Caribbean Bahamas Caribbean Barbados Caribbean Bermuda Caribbean Bonaire Caribbean British Virgin Islands Caribbean Cayman Islands Caribbean Cuba Caribbean Curacao Caribbean Dominica Caribbean Dominican Republic Caribbean Grenada Caribbean Guadeloupe Caribbean Haiti Caribbean Jamaica Caribbean Martinique Caribbean Montserrat Caribbean Puerto Rico Caribbean Saint Barthélemy Caribbean Saint Lucia Caribbean Saint Vincent & the Grenadines Caribbean Sint Maarten Caribbean St Kitts & Nevis Caribbean St Martin Caribbean Trinidad & Tobago Caribbean Turks & Caicos Caribbean Cameroon Central Africa Central African Republic Central Africa Chad Central Africa Congo Central Africa DR Congo Central Africa Equatorial Guinea Central Africa Gabon Central Africa Sao Tome & Principe Central Africa Belize Central America Costa Rica Central America El Salvador Central America Guatemala Central America Honduras Central America Nicaragua Central America Panama Central America Kazakhstan Central Asia Kyrgyzstan Central Asia Tajikistan Central Asia Turkmenistan Central Asia Uzbekistan Central Asia Austria Central Europe Belgium Central Europe Czech Rep. Central Europe Germany Central Europe Liechtenstein Central Europe Luxembourg Central Europe Netherlands Central Europe Poland Central Europe Slovakia Central Europe Switzerland Central Europe Burundi East Africa Djibouti East Africa Eritrea East Africa Ethiopia East Africa Kenya East Africa Mayotte East Africa Reunion East Africa Rwanda East Africa Somalia East Africa South Sudan East Africa Tanzania East Africa Uganda East Africa Zanzibar East Africa China East Asia Chinese Taipei East Asia Guam East Asia Hong Kong East Asia Japan East Asia Macau (China PR) East Asia Mongolia East Asia North Korea East Asia Northern Mariana East Asia South Korea East Asia Bulgaria Eastern Europe Hungary Eastern Europe Moldova Eastern Europe Romania Eastern Europe Serbia Eastern Europe Afghanistan Middle East Bahrain Middle East Iran Middle East Iraq Middle East Israel Middle East Jordan Middle East Kuwait Middle East Lebanon Middle East Oman Middle East Palestine Middle East Qatar Middle East Saudi Arabia Middle East Syria Middle East U.A.E. Middle East Yemen Middle East Algeria North Africa Egypt North Africa Libya North Africa Morocco North Africa Sudan North Africa Tunisia North Africa Canada North America Mexico North America St. Pierre & Miquelon North America U.S.A. North America US Virgin Islands North America Belarus North Eastern Europe Estonia North Eastern Europe Latvia North Eastern Europe Lithuania North Eastern Europe Russia North Eastern Europe Ukraine North Eastern Europe Denmark Northern Europe Faroe Islands Northern Europe Finland Northern Europe Iceland Northern Europe Norway Northern Europe Sweden Northern Europe American Samoa Oceania Cook Islands Oceania Fiji Oceania Kiribati Oceania Micronesia Oceania New Caledonia Oceania New Zealand Oceania Papua New Guinea Oceania Samoa Oceania Solomon Islands Oceania Tahiti Oceania Tonga Oceania Tuvalu Oceania Vanuatu Oceania Wallis & Futuna Islands Oceania Bolivia South America (North) Colombia South America (North) Ecuador South America (North) French Guiana South America (North) Guyana South America (North) Peru South America (North) Surinam South America (North) Venezuela South America (North) Argentina South America (South) Brazil South America (South) Chile South America (South) Paraguay South America (South) Uruguay South America (South) Bangladesh South Asia Bhutan South Asia India South Asia Maldives South Asia Nepal South Asia Pakistan South Asia Sri Lanka South Asia Armenia South Eastern Europe Azerbeijan South Eastern Europe Cyprus South Eastern Europe Georgia South Eastern Europe Greece South Eastern Europe North Macedonia South Eastern Europe Turkey South Eastern Europe Albania South Europe Bosnia & Herzegovina South Europe Croatia South Europe Italy South Europe Kosovo South Europe Malta South Europe Montenegro South Europe San Marino South Europe Slovenia South Europe Australia Southeast Asia Brunei Southeast Asia Cambodia Southeast Asia East Timor Southeast Asia Indonesia Southeast Asia Laos Southeast Asia Malaysia Southeast Asia Myanmar Southeast Asia Philippines Southeast Asia Singapore Southeast Asia Thailand Southeast Asia Vietnam Southeast Asia Angola Southern Africa Botswana Southern Africa Comoros Southern Africa Lesotho Southern Africa Madagascar Southern Africa Malawi Southern Africa Mauritius Southern Africa Mozambique Southern Africa Namibia Southern Africa Seychelles Southern Africa South Africa Southern Africa Swaziland Southern Africa Zambia Southern Africa Zimbabwe Southern Africa England UK & Ireland Ireland UK & Ireland Northern Ireland UK & Ireland Scotland UK & Ireland Wales UK & Ireland Benin Western Africa Burkina Faso Western Africa Cape Verde Western Africa Gambia Western Africa Ghana Western Africa Guinea Western Africa Guinea-Bissau Western Africa Ivory Coast Western Africa Liberia Western Africa Mali Western Africa Mauritania Western Africa Niger Western Africa Nigeria Western Africa Senegal Western Africa Sierra Leone Western Africa Togo Western Africa Andorra Western Europe France Western Europe Gibraltar Western Europe Portugal Western Europe Spain Western Europe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rub Me Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 On 23/10/2021 at 14:33, Bojanbbz94 said: I don't really mind what the scouting regions are as long as: A) There is some internal logic to them. B) There is a quick and easy in-game way to look a list of countries in each region. Culturally and geographically, there are perfectly reasonable arguments to suggest that Spain and Italy are 'Southern European' and/or 'Western European' nations. Depending on your perspective, Germany and Austria could both easily be defined as being in 'Western Europe' or 'Central Europe'. For the purposes of the game, I'm not sure it really matters which precise definitions they use as long as the names make sense at a glance. Point B is far more important. It's always struck me as quite absurd that it's easier to look up scouting regions online than finding them in game. There should be a colour-coded world map on the Scouting Knowledge page, and when you are setting up scouting assignments the list of countries in a region should be listed in brackets when you select it. Agreed with the second point. It's annoying having t manually search what countries are in what region. You should be able to tell as soon as you are looking to send your scouts there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zemahh Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 44 minutes ago, FalseNineteen said: I had a list from last year in an Excel document, and I've updated my list. 99% sure these are correct, but a few may have slipped past me. Thanks for this! Can you by any chance attach the Excel document/link? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrightLad5 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) On 23/10/2021 at 14:40, john1 said: I am finding it quite confusing sadly! I agree, when you select a region, list of countries should pop up! Instead of taking a wild guess! I get the point on this... it assumes a degree of geographical knowledge... which I just don't have Hopefully some kind person and make a big list so that we can keep it to hand when we do our scouting Edit: Just seen FalseNineteens list! top work! Edited October 26, 2021 by BrightLad5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeFueledCurmudgeon Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) Argentina and Brazil are South America South? Uh, ok. Edited October 26, 2021 by CoffeeFueledCurmudgeon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harper Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 What if regions were grouped first by Federation Membership, then ordered by international rank rather than alphabet? Not replacing geographic grouping, but in addition too (maybe still sorted by international rank though) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powermonger Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) On 27/10/2021 at 00:39, CoffeeFueledCurmudgeon said: Argentina and Brazil are South America South? Uh, ok. Seems someone at SI didn't look at a map Should be more like the following: South America (East) Brazil South America (East) French Guiana South America (East) Guyana South America (East) Surinam South America (North) Bolivia South America (North) Colombia South America (North) Ecuador South America (North) Peru South America (North) Venezuela South America (South) Argentina South America (South) Chile South America (South) Paraguay South America (South) Uruguay Edited October 27, 2021 by Powermonger 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vänsterback Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 I added a feature request to change the scouting regions for Europe because the old regions were pretty much the old eastern block in Eastern Europe which since many years now consists of a lot of countries. So as someone above pointed out this was overdue and I'm happy SI did something about it. I think the most important thing is to balance the number of countries or their combined area in each region. The European regions in FM amount to eight and they look as below. I think they are balanced in a good way. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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