MIR17 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, oche balboa said: Why are people queue jumping. Everyone should do the same things Beckham and Suzanna Reid did Seems a fitting way to tribute a woman who got to jump just about every queue on every event she ever attended to be fair. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, Confused Clarity said: It was indeed. And yes, I think it was likely a coincidence and they should probably have shifted things around in the schedule. But I can see why people are upset. Let's be honest, Charles had no idea what day it was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Just got an email saying HMV are closing their stores on Monday. I thought they'd closed all their stores like 10 years ago. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Ackter said: Just got an email saying HMV are closing their stores on Monday. I thought they'd closed all their stores like 10 years ago. Nah I still buy CDs so pop in now and then this week was pretty stacked for new music actually so might go over soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Genuinely loving this btw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, Ackter said: Let's be honest, Charles had no idea what day it was. Charles? No, very much doubt it. But it should have been known by his aides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Confused Clarity said: Charles? No, very much doubt it. But it should have been known by his aides. Why? It's a Welsh holiday. They're all posh English *****. They probably never heard of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 46 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: It's not actually true tbh, David Beckham is easily the more public of the two. Having crazy spurious articles written about you isn't the same as self promotion The pair of them have always courted publicity. It's how they manage to stay relevant for the media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) Edited September 17, 2022 by Crazy_Ivan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 32 minutes ago, Ackter said: Why? It's a Welsh holiday. They're all posh English *****. They probably never heard of it. Because he was the Prince of Wales and things like that should absolutely be in their calendar and on their radar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Oh they should, yes. I just don't think they'd care enough to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Queue romanticism is vile. Tories will be loving this whole thing. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefmveteran86 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 I might not be a royalist but I'm proud to have Queen Elizabeth our majesty, even if you have different views on her to mine and the Royal Family sure they may have had some ups and downs down the years I still respect your opinion but they're still here and some of them make us proud to be British 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefmveteran86 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Our match-day programme for today vs Harrogate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted September 17, 2022 Administrators Share Posted September 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, Christmas said: Queue romanticism is vile. It couldn't be more British. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 22 minutes ago, thefmveteran86 said: I might not be a royalist but I'm proud to have Queen Elizabeth our majesty, even if you have different views on her to mine and the Royal Family sure they may have had some ups and downs down the years I still respect your opinion but they're still here and some of them make us proud to be British Why do they make you proud to be British? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rafalution said: Why do they make you proud to be British? Don't understand anyone who thinks this. Maybe the strength of our sporting achievements or our excellence in the Arts, or achievements in Science but someone born into a privileged position...it's bizarre 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefmveteran86 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, Rafalution said: Why do they make you proud to be British? Because she was one of the most kind hearted people you'd meet given she's a lot higher class than her public even when we've endured the worst of times she was there to comfort us when these spineless b******* in government won't do anything she stood up and meant it not like our current MPs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 59 minutes ago, Christmas said: Queue romanticism is vile. Tories will be loving this whole thing. I just love your seething all week. Don't worry not long to go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, thefmveteran86 said: Because she was one of the most kind hearted people you'd meet given she's a lot higher class than her public even when we've endured the worst of times she was there to comfort us when these spineless b******* in government won't do anything she stood up and meant it not like our current MPs How do you know this? 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, thefmveteran86 said: Because she was one of the most kind hearted people you'd meet given she's a lot higher class than her public even when we've endured the worst of times she was there to comfort us when these spineless b******* in government won't do anything she stood up and meant it not like our current MPs How exactly did she comfort us? What did she stand up to? What makes her any better (higher class) then anybody else? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Confused Clarity said: Because he was the Prince of Wales and things like that should absolutely be in their calendar and on their radar. Considering he spoke in the Welsh Parliament. They would have known as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted September 17, 2022 Administrators Share Posted September 17, 2022 23 minutes ago, thefmveteran86 said: Because she was one of the most kind hearted people you'd meet given she's a lot higher class than her public even when we've endured the worst of times she was there to comfort us when these spineless b******* in government won't do anything she stood up and meant it not like our current MPs Would you say the same about a neighbour who you don't know personally, except maybe have seen mostly wave and say one or two "nice things" The revisionism with the Queen is amazing really. She wasn't universally liked throughout her reign. The initial response to Diana and others, put her under real scrutiny. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 The Mother Theresa-style info will fully come out over the next few years, but there's already plenty out there if you look deep. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, Lucas said: Would you say the same about a neighbour who you don't know personally, except maybe have seen mostly wave and say one or two "nice things" The revisionism with the Queen is amazing really. She wasn't universally liked throughout her reign. The initial response to Diana and others, put her under real scrutiny. What happened after Diana's death, was very telling. It was a PR disaster for the queen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 30 minutes ago, Lucas said: Would you say the same about a neighbour who you don't know personally, except maybe have seen mostly wave and say one or two "nice things" The revisionism with the Queen is amazing really. She wasn't universally liked throughout her reign. The initial response to Diana and others, put her under real scrutiny. The Diana thing put the Royal Family in poor light, She reacted to all of it badly and didn't come across as sincere when giving a statement to the nation, They had to change and i think they did. so since 1997 people will speak of the Queen in glowing terms Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Sandman Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Hey, is she in the casket Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, Citizen Kane said: Hey, is she in the casket I'm not so sure, if I'm honest. She's more likely to already be at Windsor Castle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Sandman Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 55 minutes ago, Lucas said: The initial response to Diana and others, put her under real scrutiny. Do you have this or a summary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 24 minutes ago, Citizen Kane said: Hey, is she in the casket Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted September 17, 2022 Administrators Share Posted September 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, Citizen Kane said: Do you have this or a summary https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2022/09/10/queen-elizabeth-princess-diana-funeral/ Quote “WHERE IS OUR QUEEN?” “SHOW US YOU CARE” “YOUR PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING, SPEAK TO US MA’AM” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted September 17, 2022 Administrators Share Posted September 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, Citizen Kane said: Do you have this or a summary You might also want to look at the Queen's response to the Aberfan disaster, the treatment of her disabled first cousins (said to have died many years younger than they actually did due to being in an institution), her lobbying to keep the royal family exempt from tax and discrimination laws. There's more, too. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Yeah but she said some nice things in a pre-prepared script once or twice a year - deffo very high class. Definitely not just enjoying the wealth and power of her unearned position while just giving a wave and a smile once in a while. 1 hour ago, thefmveteran86 said: Because she was one of the most kind hearted people you'd meet Have you met her? Quote given she's a lot higher class than her public what makes her high class? Quote she was there to comfort us when these spineless b******* in government won't do anything she stood up and meant it not like our current MPs how did she comfort us? what did she stand up against? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vynal Seven Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Tbf to the fmveteran, he’s just parroting the same absolute tripe that every MP stood up and spouted out in their speeches a few days ago. It’s all absolute tosh and complete lip service but of course no one is going to call them out for it either. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOORAY HENRIK Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Had the pleasure of meeting the Queen at a charity do once. She was surprisingly down to earth, and VERY kind. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 For someone that's not a royalist there's certainly a lot of royalist propaganda there. "comfort us" ffs 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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enigmatic Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 5 hours ago, ginnybob said: For someone that's not a royalist there's certainly a lot of royalist propaganda there. "comfort us" ffs tbf, she's been accused of being unkind for not comforting people elsewhere as if the thing that really upset Aberfan parents was her husband going first. People writing "actually the Queen is really bad because..." articles picking on stuff like that are peddling just as much tripe. 3 hours ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: He obviously needed the "tracksuit manager" attribute points Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted September 17, 2022 Administrators Share Posted September 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, enigmatic said: People writing "actually the Queen is really bad because..." articles picking on stuff like that are peddling just as much tripe Except they are not. People really were upset. The monarchy in the wake of Diana's death was very much questioned as whether we needed one. It's well known the Queen didn't like Blair and was indebted to him for saving her. Hardly tripe. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefmveteran86 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 4 hours ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: Why is it weird? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Lucas said: Except they are not. People really were upset. The monarchy in the wake of Diana's death was very much questioned as whether we needed one. It's well known the Queen didn't like Blair and was indebted to him for saving her. Hardly tripe. People really were comforted too (and much like the Aberfan disaster, the upset and comfort mostly involved monarch-watchers, not people directly involved. The actual parents had more important things to be upset about than the whereabouts of the monarchy, and the actually important Aberfan scandal was not heeding the warnings about the danger of the spoil tip, not a young lady being a bit scared to go to a disaster zone for photo opportunities. I imagine when Philip went first he even avoided telling his awful jokes) And more to the point, odd that this thread seems to both be simultaneously laughing at the guy who says the Queen comforts people whilst also listing delaying turning up to comfort people as one of the worst things the Queen ever did Edited September 17, 2022 by enigmatic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1985 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, thefmveteran86 said: Why is it weird? How is it not? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted September 17, 2022 Administrators Share Posted September 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, enigmatic said: not a young lady being a bit scared to go to a disaster zone for photo opportunities) She wasn't scared. She was advised not to go. 7 minutes ago, enigmatic said: And more to the point, odd that this thread seems to both be simultaneously laughing at the guy who says the Queen comforts people whilst also listing delaying turning up to comfort people as one of the worst things the Queen ever did Not really that odd as different people are saying different things. And the listing of scandals was in response to a question asking for sources about things the Queen has done, it's not a personal remark that these are especially the worst things she's ever done. I'm against the monarchy on the basic principle that people should be born equal under the eyes of the law, and that there is no place for a monarchy in a democracy. There's definitely things about the Queen I don't think she's done well for herself out of, but I don't think personal arguments against the monarchy (ie. Liz and Charles are bad people) are all that compelling reasons to get rid of it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefmveteran86 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 1 minute ago, mark1985 said: How is it not? You know how hot it is wearing a suit during that weather earlier today? as you've been to funerals, weddings etc right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted September 17, 2022 Administrators Share Posted September 17, 2022 Just now, thefmveteran86 said: You know how hot it is wearing a suit during that weather earlier today? as you've been to funerals, weddings etc right? I'd probably feel just as hot in a tracksuit - he's not exactly wearing shorts and a tee? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted September 17, 2022 Author Share Posted September 17, 2022 1 minute ago, thefmveteran86 said: You know how hot it is wearing a suit during that weather earlier today? as you've been to funerals, weddings etc right? You know he didn't have to wear the suit at all. Right? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggiana Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Lucas said: I'm against the monarchy on the basic principle that people should be born equal under the eyes of the law, and that there is no place for a monarchy in a democracy. There's definitely things about the Queen I don't think she's done well for herself out of, but I don't think personal arguments against the monarchy (ie. Liz and Charles are bad people) are all that compelling reasons to get rid of it. I couldn't agree more with all of this. In a modern democracy the reasons for not having a monarchy aren't really anything to do with the individuals. The only real reason based on individuals that I think is a valid point relates to Andrew really, and that's just because it exemplifies the fact they are not accountable in a way normal people are and don't show any signs of changing on that front. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1985 Posted September 17, 2022 Share Posted September 17, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, thefmveteran86 said: You know how hot it is wearing a suit during that weather earlier today? as you've been to funerals, weddings etc right? I got married on a day when it was 40 degrees Celsius. Yes I am aware of what hot is. I also wanted to get out of the damn thing into something more comfortable as soon as I could Edit: As you're a royalist, name one way the royal family has improved your life. How does having a royal family make your life better than not having one? Edited September 17, 2022 by mark1985 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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