Barnzy Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, arenaross said: That's not Andrew? It’s Edward, it says so in the headline! Edited September 14, 2022 by Barnzy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardeepR Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Apparantly Andrew is - somehow - still an honorary Vice Admiral. So can wear that uniform (but only with Charles' permission? I'm a bit fuzzy there.) Whereas when Harry withdrew from Royal life all his honory ranks were taken away so in that respect he - like any ex-services - can't wear a uniform anymore. Protocol schmotocol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Big Geordie said: Hide contents Apparently, Harry can't wear his medals or uniform, but Andrew can. Nice! That's not Andrew, and Andrew can't wear his medals either. @hardeepR I think you're right. Will be interesting to see what he turns out in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc91 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/sep/13/preston-ban-football-fan-for-life-for-derogatory-tweet-about-the-royal-family Out of all the things clubs have barely banned individuals for, all the aspects I've heard at grounds up and down the country, this is where the line is drawn? Jeez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, sc91 said: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/sep/13/preston-ban-football-fan-for-life-for-derogatory-tweet-about-the-royal-family Out of all the things clubs have barely banned individuals for, all the aspects I've heard at grounds up and down the country, this is where the line is drawn? Jeez. When you read on and find out he was boasting about how he was going to do Nazi salutes, he can get in the bin. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 He's a dick and the more info that comes out about what he actually said, the less sympathy I have. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, sc91 said: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/sep/13/preston-ban-football-fan-for-life-for-derogatory-tweet-about-the-royal-family Out of all the things clubs have barely banned individuals for, all the aspects I've heard at grounds up and down the country, this is where the line is drawn? Jeez. Faircop were defending the poster initially (they also say they disagreed with what had been said) but it looks like they have deleted their tweets which suggests it was at least as bad or worse than in the article and probably indefensible. Having looked at the posters timeline, he got what he deserved That said, there's worse that fans have said and haven't been banned for. Though I'm arguing that fans should be banned for worse b rather than arguing he shouldnt be banned here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Glenn Wakeford said: When you read on and find out he was boasting about how he was going to do Nazi salutes, he can get in the bin. I found the original time line yesterday. Absolutely grim. They might have banned him for 1 tweet, but you could have done him for a dozen 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc91 Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, Glenn Wakeford said: When you read on and find out he was boasting about how he was going to do Nazi salutes, he can get in the bin. Absolutely, more that given the sheer number of other issues that this is where clubs have drawn the line? It's baffling. 6 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: He's a dick and the more info that comes out about what he actually said, the less sympathy I have. No sympathy for him, more on this is where clubs have decided enough is enough. I've been an away travelling fan for decades, heard/seen my fair share of guff, just more stunned that the inaction of the past has had a line drawn under it when it comes to royalty. 7 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: Faircop were defending the poster initially (they also say they disagreed with what had been said) but it looks like they have deleted their tweets which suggests it was at least as bad or worse than in the article and probably indefensible. Having looked at the posters timeline, he got what he deserved That said, there's worse that fans have said and haven't been banned for. Though I'm arguing that fans should be banned for worse b rather than arguing he shouldnt be banned here Same as you regarding the bottom half, there are far worse things I've seen and heard over the years where the fans in question have had a slap on the wrist at best and still get to attend games. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InigoPatinkin Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Is this a "I'm going to do a Nazi salute because I believe in Nazi ideology" or a "I'm going to do a Nazi salute because you and your family have done it and have a really uncomfortable past with fascism"? Because it's worth pointing out those two are very, very different and it would be really easy to imply it's the former when it was actually the latter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, InigoPatinkin said: Is this a "I'm going to do a Nazi salute because I believe in Nazi ideology" or a "I'm going to do a Nazi salute because you and your family have done it and have a really uncomfortable past with fascism"? Because it's worth pointing out those two are very, very different and it would be really easy to imply it's the former when it was actually the latter. How about we just don’t do nazi salutes? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftback in the changing room Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Weezer said: How about we just don’t do nazi salutes? Look, i was just pointing to the cobwebs on the ceiling and scratching my upper lip when that unfortunately timed photo was taken. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwig Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Weezer said: How about we just don’t do nazi salutes? Is waving at someone taking a picture ok? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bigwig said: Is waving at someone taking a picture ok? Only if they’re at the back of a crowded bar and can’t hear you iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InigoPatinkin Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Weezer said: How about we just don’t do nazi salutes? Doing Nazi salutes to mock people with Nazi sympathies has been a thing almost as long as Nazi's doing it has been. The problematic bit of a Nazi salute is when the people doing it have actual Nazi tendencies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 He offered to fight anyone in the Princess Alice pub as well.... Funny he goes in a pub named after a royal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Who will be doing the funeral service? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, oche balboa said: He offered to fight anyone in the Princess Alice pub as well.... Funny he goes in a pub named after a royal Why, do you have to be a royalist to drink in a pub named after a royal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 23 minutes ago, InigoPatinkin said: Doing Nazi salutes to mock people with Nazi sympathies has been a thing almost as long as Nazi's doing it has been. The problematic bit of a Nazi salute is when the people doing it have actual Nazi tendencies. But are the people laughing with you for the mocking, or laughing because the Nazi salute is a "naughty" thing to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Rafalution said: Who will be doing the funeral service? The Co-Op 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, InigoPatinkin said: Doing Nazi salutes to mock people with Nazi sympathies has been a thing almost as long as Nazi's doing it has been. The problematic bit of a Nazi salute is when the people doing it have actual Nazi tendencies. I’ve not heard of that before but I would say no matter what they think their intention is, it is absolutely impossible to do a nazi salute without coming across as a massive, massive ****. As it should be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Readingfanman Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 1 hour ago, sc91 said: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/sep/13/preston-ban-football-fan-for-life-for-derogatory-tweet-about-the-royal-family Out of all the things clubs have barely banned individuals for, all the aspects I've heard at grounds up and down the country, this is where the line is drawn? Jeez. He has convinentley deleted the tweet that seemingly has got him banned stating if anyone was going to blow the Royal Family up, the funeral would be a great place to do it (Something along those lines), and has said "he's left the tweet up" that got him banned so people seem to assume it's this Nazi salute one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InigoPatinkin Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: But are the people laughing with you for the mocking, or laughing because the Nazi salute is a "naughty" thing to do. I would suggest that people protesting a royal event would fall under the latter, given as far as jokes go it's about as subtle as a burning bin wagon. I'm also not sure censoring someone for making a joke at the expense of fascist sympathisers because some people might misunderstand the joke would be a very good move either. 2 minutes ago, Weezer said: I’ve not heard of that before but I would say no matter what they think their intention is, it is absolutely impossible to do a nazi salute without coming across as a massive, massive ****. As it should be. Parody of Nazi's has been around for a while. There's a scene in one of the Bottom live shows where both characters give a Nazi salute when the royal family come on the TV, I'm sure there are plenty of others that don't immediately spring to mind. Edited September 14, 2022 by InigoPatinkin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, InigoPatinkin said: I would suggest that people protesting a royal event would fall under the latter, given as far as jokes go it's about as subtle as a burning bin wagon. I thought we were talking about the guy talking about doing it at a football match? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Also, some people will find the nazi salute offensive/triggering for quite legitimate reasons! I don't think a football match is a great place for it tbh. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, InigoPatinkin said: I would suggest that people protesting a royal event would fall under the latter, given as far as jokes go it's about as subtle as a burning bin wagon. I'm also not sure censoring someone for making a joke at the expense of fascist sympathisers because some people might misunderstand the joke would be a very good move either. Parody of Nazi's has been around for a while. There's a scene in one of the Bottom live shows where both characters give a Nazi salute when the royal family come on the TV, I'm sure there are plenty of others that don't immediately spring to mind. I don’t know this guy but I doubt he’s on Chaplin’s level of satire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, ginnybob said: Why, do you have to be a royalist to drink in a pub named after a royal? Never said he shouldn't just that it was funny thats all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: Also, some people will find the nazi salute offensive/triggering for quite legitimate reasons! I don't think a football match is a great place for it tbh. Try doing it at a Spurs game and claiming you’re just a satirist. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InigoPatinkin Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: I thought we were talking about the guy talking about doing it at a football match? The minute silence before the football match. I think it would be hard to misinterpreted the target of said gesture, no? 2 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: Also, some people will find the nazi salute offensive/triggering for quite legitimate reasons! I don't think a football match is a great place for it tbh. This is neither here nor there really. We're not run by GB News, sometimes people will misunderstand things and be upset by them, you don't just ban people from doing them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, InigoPatinkin said: This is neither here nor there really. We're not run by GB News, sometimes people will misunderstand things and be upset by them, you don't just ban people from doing them. Pretty unpleasant attitude imo, life isn't OTF I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InigoPatinkin Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Weezer said: I don’t know this guy but I doubt he’s on Chaplin’s level of satire. Again, that's neither here nor there. People less funny than Chaplin are allowed to make jokes too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, Weezer said: Try doing it at a Spurs game and claiming you’re just a satirist. There's a good reason why very few comedians at any level go around doing nazi salutes anymore. If it's too spicy for them, it's definitely too spicy for Keith from Twitter trying to satirise the royal family in front of a bunch of pissed up Preston fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InigoPatinkin Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: Pretty unpleasant attitude imo, life isn't OTF I'm afraid. This is such a vapid, empty response. You're advocating the exact same line of policy Priti Patel has been pushing through while she was in government. You can't ban things because bystanders might potentially be offended by something. 3 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: There's a good reason why very few comedians at any level go around doing nazi salutes anymore. If it's too spicy for them, it's definitely too spicy for Keith from Twitter trying to satirise the royal family in front of a bunch of pissed up Preston fans. It's also worth pointing out the incredibly obvious point that making a joke about doing something is not the same as actually doing the thing you're joking about, either. Edited September 14, 2022 by InigoPatinkin 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Just now, InigoPatinkin said: This is such a vapid, empty response. You're advocating the exact same line of policy Priti Patel has been pushing through while she was in government. You can't ban things because bystanders might potentially be offended by something. Where do you draw a line? I agree with you to a degree but what would you outlaw? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, InigoPatinkin said: This is such a vapid, empty response. You're advocating the exact same line of policy Priti Patel has been pushing through while she was in government. not biting I'm afraid! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InigoPatinkin Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Just now, Coulthard's Jaw said: not biting I'm afraid! I didn't expect you to actually substantiate your point, I'm just highlighting it. Calling someone nasty and then abandoning the discussion when you're challenged on it is literally your thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Making unpleasant points and then boring everyone to death with pseduo intellectual arguments when challenged is kind of your thing so we're at an impasse here! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) If you can’t think of a better or smarter way to parody the Royals than doing a nazi salute I’d suggest you’re probably not the great satirist you think you are and are more likely just a **** stirring ****. (not you personally) Edited September 14, 2022 by Weezer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InigoPatinkin Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: Making unpleasant points and then boring everyone to death with pseduo intellectual arguments when challenged is kind of your thing so we're at an impasse here! This is just more empty nonsense. You saying something is unpleasant doesn't make it so, you're just hoping that enough people will read it and accept it which is why you do it and then move on. You repeatedly did it in the covid thread too whenever people posted something that looked even marginally negative. You would say "this looks wrong" then never address the response. 7 minutes ago, Weezer said: If you can’t think of a better or smarter way to parody the Royals than doing a nazi salute I’d suggest you’re probably not the great satirist you think you are. Agreed, but we don't ban bad satirists. "That's a **** joke" is far more cutting feedback than "here's a lifetime stadium ban". As for the edit: Sure, I'm pretty sure anyone who is going out of their way to make anti-Royal jokes right not is a **** stirring ****. Again though, I'm not sure why that would be considered grounds for a stadium ban by anyone sensible. Edited September 14, 2022 by InigoPatinkin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, InigoPatinkin said: You saying something is unpleasant doesn't make it so You're saying that any gesture is fair game and it doesn't matter if people find it upsetting or offensive or triggering, I think this is a unpleasant and wrong! Goodness me, I'm giving my opinion here not some peer reviewed scientific paper. You've got big enough shoulders, just accept that some people don't agree with you. Edited September 14, 2022 by Coulthard's Jaw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, InigoPatinkin said: Agreed, but we don't ban bad satirists. We do if they’re throwing nazi salutes and threatening to fight people in pubs. They lose their right to be considered satire at that point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Cartman Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Does your right to do a Nazi salute in satire rank above or below your right to shout you're a nounce at Prince Andrew? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter G Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 No Military outfit for Harry or Andrew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 They've been lucky with the weather here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Harryseaess said: They've been lucky with the weather here. God is a Royalist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted September 14, 2022 Author Share Posted September 14, 2022 1 minute ago, SouthCoastRed said: God is an Anglican Ftfy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Players and match officials will wear black armbands as a mark of respect and, together with managers, will gather at the centre circle before kick-off. Fans will be asked to join a minute’s silence, which will be followed by the National Anthem, God Save The King. Big screens and LED perimeter boards will display tribute images to Her Majesty and flags at the grounds will be flying at half-mast. When the clock turns to 70 minutes, fans will be invited to applaud The Queen’s 70-year reign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, Peter G said: No Military outfit for Harry or Andrew BG gets it wrong again shocker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Just now, Coulthard's Jaw said: Players and match officials will wear black armbands as a mark of respect and, together with managers, will gather at the centre circle before kick-off. Fans will be asked to join a minute’s silence, which will be followed by the National Anthem, God Save The King. Big screens and LED perimeter boards will display tribute images to Her Majesty and flags at the grounds will be flying at half-mast. When the clock turns to 70 minutes, fans will be invited to applaud The Queen’s 70-year reign. Just to ramp up the tackiness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: Players and match officials will wear black armbands as a mark of respect and, together with managers, will gather at the centre circle before kick-off. Fans will be asked to join a minute’s silence, which will be followed by the National Anthem, God Save The King. Big screens and LED perimeter boards will display tribute images to Her Majesty and flags at the grounds will be flying at half-mast. When the clock turns to 70 minutes, fans will be invited to applaud The Queen’s 70-year reign. Yet I've been robbed of the ability to do this because they've randomly chosen the United game to be postponed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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