themadsheep2001 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, Garethjohn79 said: Yu are taking thing out of context and you know full well you are. Tell me what should the police have done Left him be? It's not out of context, it's literally what happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 No one has yet answered: why are they being charged if it's about protecting? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InigoPatinkin Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Why does the the alternative to arrest him have to be "leaving him"? What about telling the potentially violent mob he has the right to protest and anyone who attempts to impinge on that will be arrested? Why is that too much to ask from a supposedly professional police force? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gricehead Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Thread has officially gone to ****. From both sides. I'm out. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethjohn79 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, ginnybob said: What are those times and places? Just so we know when people are allowed to assault others with impunity and when they're not. What's wrong in preventing the assault in the first place, by removing the antagonist, isn't that better for all including resources. Nobody got hurt, but if you are winding up a huge crowd the chances are someone will respond with violence. It's not illegal to wear your Sheffield Wednesday shirt around when the Blades aren't playing there Bramall Lane, but would you rather be left there to show off your right to wear the shirt there or be asked to move or cover it up for your own safety? In fact, I've got a very good idea what the posters arguing here will write on this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Just now, Garethjohn79 said: What's wrong in preventing the assault in the first place, by removing the antagonist, isn't that better for all including resources. Nobody got hurt, but if you are winding up a huge crowd the chances are someone will respond with violence. It's not illegal to wear your Sheffield Wednesday shirt around when the Blades aren't playing there Bramall Lane, but would you rather be left there to show off your right to wear the shirt there or be asked to move or cover it up for your own safety? In fact, I've got a very good idea what the posters arguing here will write on this one. I wouldn't expect to be arrested for wearing my Wednesday shirt. You tried this ****** analogy before. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vynal Seven Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Garethjohn79 said: In fact, I've got a very good idea what the posters arguing here will write on this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InigoPatinkin Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Are we supposed to be holding up the police treatment of away supporters as model policing methods now? I've seen half a dozen police in Newcastle effectively protect a 10-15 group of anti-vax protestors from a march of anti-fascists of closer to a thousand. I guess the real question is are the Met especially cowardly or are royalists just inherently violent? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethjohn79 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, ginnybob said: I'm talking about people wanting to protest something. Ok at what point do the Police consider the protesters safety, over their right to protest in front of a large crowd and should they ever consider the most efficient response to avoid it escalating? Is their liberty taken away for 10 minutes a worse outcome than the protestor being hurt? Is twenty police controlling a crowd later on a better use of resources than one using their fora short time. What at no point have any of you done is explain what the police should have done differently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethjohn79 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, ginnybob said: I wouldn't expect to be arrested for wearing my Wednesday shirt. You tried this ****** analogy before. They won't be arresting you they'd be removing you from a situation that'd be worse for you. Or would a god hiding be a better outcome than having your liberty lost for 10 minutes and given back once told to get on your way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Well for a start there's been no evidence that the guy in Oxford was ever in threat of being assaulted. You've just assumed he was. He wasn't being protected by the police. He was handcuffed and put in the back of a van after being arrested. That doesn't sound anything like the heroic boys in blue protecting an in danger individual. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Just now, Garethjohn79 said: They won't be arresting you they'd be removing you from a situation that'd be worse for you. Or would a god hiding be a better outcome than having your liberty lost for 10 minutes and given back once told to get on your way. Well they would be arresting me if they literally arrested me. Jesus christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethjohn79 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, InigoPatinkin said: Are we supposed to be holding up the police treatment of away supporters as model policing methods now? I've seen half a dozen police in Newcastle effectively protect a 10-15 group of anti-vax protestors from a march of anti-fascists of closer to a thousand. I guess the real question is are the Met especially cowardly or are royalists just inherently violent? Where have I mentioned away supporters? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InigoPatinkin Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Garethjohn79 said: Where have I mentioned away supporters? If your objection is to the definition of "away supporters" not including "supporters of other teams around another teams stadium" in this context then that is your prerogative I suppose 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethjohn79 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, InigoPatinkin said: If your objection is to the definition of "away supporters" not including "supporters of other teams around another teams stadium" in this context then that is your prerogative I suppose I've never mentioned away supporters once. If a Wednesday fan pops outside a Blades supporting pub and starts winding them up, then a police car pulled up would the coppers be better to put him in the car and move him away and have it done with, or leave him with his right to stay there and risk an escalation with his safety being in danger? Or call ever more units onto the job to allow him to voice his opinion for as long as he wants? This is what I see them doing to protestors antagonising those attending these events, in removing them from a situation for their own safety and to prevent any escalation. And what are the protestors attempting to achieve, support? The BBC's saturation coverage has done a more effective job on that. Edited September 13, 2022 by Garethjohn79 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bermybhoy Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Oh my word. Have the police arrested the people actually whooping and hollering outside Buckingham Palace as the hearse went past? Far more deserving of it. What the hell. Such a weird response. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 More queer goings on...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InigoPatinkin Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, Garethjohn79 said: I've never mentioned away supporters once. I really have nothing else to say to this other than repeating my previous post. Quote If your objection is to the definition of "away supporters" not including "supporters of other teams around another teams stadium" in this context then that is your prerogative Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m_fenton Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 1 hour ago, ginnybob said: Goodness me: https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/guinness-world-record-artists-pay-25004888 Is that meant to be Ronaldo? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc91 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, bermybhoy said: Oh my word. Have the police arrested the people actually whooping and hollering outside Buckingham Palace as the hearse went past? Far more deserving of it. What the hell. Such a weird response. Part of me would have alot more time for it if they spring loaded her corpse to pop up spontaneously. Would scare the life out of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 In other news, Centre Parcs have reversed their decision from earlier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, m_fenton said: Is that meant to be Ronaldo? Chris Wilder, I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted September 13, 2022 Author Share Posted September 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, SouthCoastRed said: In other news, Centre Parcs have reversed their decision from earlier Good, because it was even stupider than anything anybody did during COVID and here was a lot of stupid stuff then too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, SouthCoastRed said: In other news, Centre Parcs have reversed their decision from earlier Cant be bothered to find a verified source but apparently all the activities will be closed but you can stay in your chalet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethjohn79 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, InigoPatinkin said: If your objection is to the definition of "away supporters" not including "supporters of other teams around another teams stadium" in this context then that is your prerogative I suppose I've not mentioned away supporters or even anything to do with a matchday or rival stadiums so why are you? Edited September 13, 2022 by Garethjohn79 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arenaross Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, The_jagster said: Cant be bothered to find a verified source but apparently all the activities will be closed but you can stay in your chalet. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bermybhoy Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, SouthCoastRed said: In other news, Centre Parcs have reversed their decision from earlier No wonder 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham_aka_stam Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, Garethjohn79 said: I've not mentioned away supporters or even anything to do with a matchday or rival stadiums so why are you? You're threatening to derail the thread now with this bad faith arguing. I suggest you call it a day now please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc91 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Misses mom wants us to come in for lunch over the weekend. Don't think she has a TV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 5 hours ago, PaulHartman71 said: It’s like Covid all over again. How on earth do they think they can get away with this as a policy Leanne is definitely an account set up by them to answer that question instead of announcing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: Start off at the angel in bermondsey for a cracking pub crawl route 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 25 minutes ago, Wiggins Top Boys said: Start off at the angel in bermondsey for a cracking pub crawl route Recommend the Bermondsey beer mile too, and then Maltby street market for food. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Haha, that queue is mental Start off in Bermondsey, no portaloos until you are past Tower Bridge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1981 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 So many good pubs en route though, people are going to be hammered by the time they get there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Seen it suggested that Nintendo Direct didn't air live in the UK because the new LOZ game is called Tears of the Kingdom and it could be deemed insensitive. FFS that's really stretching it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Just now, themadsheep2001 said: Recommend the Bermondsey beer mile too, and then Maltby street market for food. was just thinking if you allowed even a 2 minute walk leeway off that route it would be brilliant, add those places in. you have the Mayflower at the start of the route also. it's what the queen would have wanted surely 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 on the other hand, i once got chased by kids on bikes throwing rocks at me in Kings stairs gardens which is the other side of the road to southwark park. and you'll also have to skirt an estate that DHL and Tesco once refused to deliver to for months as they kept on getting ransacked when parking up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Wiggins Top Boys said: on the other hand, i once got chased by kids on bikes throwing rocks at me in Kings stairs gardens which is the other side of the road to southwark park. and you'll also have to skirt an estate that DHL and Tesco once refused to deliver to for months as they kept on getting ransacked when parking up I think some people will be in for a shock when they see the rougher side or Bermondsey. Also that queue is definitely getting lashed. You're gonna be there for 24 hours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said: I think some people will be in for a shock when they see the rougher side or Bermondsey. Also that queue is definitely getting lashed. You're gonna be there for 24 hours. Not sure if they have reopened up the thames path where the Tideway Tunnel site is, but if not they will have the queue cut through the middle of the estate on Chambers St and past St Michaels School to get round it which will be err... interesting 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InigoPatinkin Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Garethjohn79 said: I've not mentioned away supporters or even anything to do with a matchday or rival stadiums so why are you? Pretty sure Wednesday have a rivalry with United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 I'm confused, was Tarquin Honeysuckle the woke leftist republican? Kind of a sign of the quality of arguments to come in my view Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 During the queen's funeral procession is absolutely not the time or place to issue redundancy notices to long serving members of staff. They should have done it 3-4 weeks later, when no one was watching, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 10 hours ago, Gricehead said: Except if we have a president. Like the Americans. JFK's funeral was a national day of mourning, and the first one to be declared a federal holiday. 10 hours ago, themadsheep2001 said: I think we'd have the same nonsense with a President. Look at the ***** we get around the Poppy I don't think there is any reason to think that a president would be treated the same- if it was a direct replacement for not having a monarch, e.g the german or irish models, it'd be a lesser role than PM, and we don't have a bank holiday for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted September 14, 2022 Author Share Posted September 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Rafalution said: I don't think there is any reason to think that a president would be treated the same- if it was a direct replacement for not having a monarch, e.g the german or irish models, it'd be a lesser role than PM, and we don't have a bank holiday for them. Depends who it us. If it's Huw Edwards himself, who would be a rightful and capable president, I'm in mourning for weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Geordie Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Spoiler Apparently, Harry can't wear his medals or uniform, but Andrew can. Nice! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, Big Geordie said: Reveal hidden contents Apparently, Harry can't wear his medals or uniform, but Andrew can. Nice! Andrew is banned from wearing his medals hence he has appeared in a suit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arenaross Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 28 minutes ago, Big Geordie said: Hide contents Apparently, Harry can't wear his medals or uniform, but Andrew can. Nice! That's not Andrew? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftback in the changing room Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Can't help but think of Prince Edward as the Buster of the family. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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