Darren Moores Mum Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, scott MUFC said: i dunno, maybe the ones already written, instead of gobshites always being ignored Which ones are being ignored and what laws have they broken? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc91 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 26 minutes ago, ginnybob said: Which ones are being ignored and what laws have they broken? I mean there was a few laws broken when Liz used a bit of taxpayers money to pay off a few women. That's been ignored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 hours ago, anagain said: They weren't all out shouting about abolishing the monarchy last week or the week before? Loud mouthed milennials or gen z trying to grab attention or get the police some more negtaive attention when they're just doing their job. Yes, I'm old. The police are pretty good at generating their own negative attention, given that in the last week alone they battered an 80 man after wrongly turning up at his own house, and then shot dead an unarmed man. And it's pretty obvious that in these examples, with the possible exception of the 22 year old in Edinburgh, they are doing it badly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefmveteran86 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 I'm not sure about that weirdo heckling Prince Andrew calling him a "sick man" sure he's got his opinion and I tend to agree with him but there is a time and place for it and the way he was pulled back was hilarious and well deseved as this isn't a day of heckling a guy like Prince Andrew it's another day of sorrow for that coffin going to St Giles' Cathedral in Edinburgh Heckler pulled back after heckling Prince Andrew 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
profii Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 I agree with Ackter, the protests are into troll territory I'm not sure what happens to them if the police let them carry on, I'd assume they get chinned? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefmveteran86 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Also I might be a British man and I'm not a BIG fan of the royals I wouldn't wish them any harm or anything else devious, I'm proud of the royals but we know all these anti-royalists are treasonists pigs and those who hate the queen and the royals who are human beings like us and should be treated with respect and if you're going to heckle during these times of sorrow I really pity you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethjohn79 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 6 hours ago, Tony7 said: My brother thinks he’s ok this is his exact words when I said what do you think to Prince andrew as I recall you saying he is innocent despite saying never sweats, never met this girl and paid £12 million to someone he never met when he was younger he had a fling with a 17 year old girl. If it was in UK it would have been legal but In america if your a korman you can have loads of wives, if you’re 16 you can buy a sub machine gun but cannot buy a beer the girl accepted money from Epstein but after his death she wanted more and the American legal system went along with her any other legal system in the world would have dismissed it. He was naive but not a pervert. So I’m implying he is just shows that. Judge people by what the media highlight. I am sure footballers who have lost their reputation because girls report them for rape are guilty without trial The girl was probably one of those groomed by Maxwell & Epstein they were given the impression they were going to become stars and one of the biggest names in the business, they were taken to islands they had no escape from and were coerced into doing things to a fat old man and his associates, she was older than many of the victims. HRH, the immense security, legal protection and efficient propaganda machine have pushed it, so she isn't seen as the victim, many like you see her as a money grabber. Epstein killed himself rather than face judgement and Andrew paid her off, the sign of bullies and cowards. Andrew is a proven liar, he's now in hiding but still living a luxurious lifestyle at our expense. If he was so confident that he'd done nothing wrong, he'd have faced the music. Maxwell and Epstein have some powerful friends but not as much nearly as a Queen and King for close family. Now if he'd married a dark skinned American who speaks up every now and then he really would have been a bastard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethjohn79 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 6 hours ago, Tony7 said: I thought it was just me 😂 that’s why I post things because I’m thinking how can he think totally different I can’t see anyone else thinking like he does but the fact you say there are is a bit worrying. My brother is 62 but shouldn’t matter you should still understand what’s right and wrong and what’s corrupt etc Watch channel 183, 00:10 tonight or 21:00 tomorrow, ''Til Death Us Do Part'' to see where some from your brother's generation have got their ideas from, even in the 60's Alf Garnett's views were seen as ridiculous but there are some still now who swear by his view, they will be propping up a bar somewhere. I think it's the first time it's been repeated in decades, none of the mainstream broadcasters would touch it with a bargepole today and even with the cuts and bleeps it's quite shocking. Just think the BBC had Jim Davidson as it's big Saturday night star only 25 years ago. He was the equivalent of Ant & Dec today. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethjohn79 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 5 hours ago, themadsheep2001 said: @ginnybob unless he's kicked off with the crowd then police are in a spot of bother. Not the same incident but a lawyer making a point in the video Police firstly are there to protect though, in this case the protesters know full well they are being provocative and also knew there would be plenty of Police around should the Royalist get violent. I'm not a royalist or support the police arresting non-violent protestors, the officer was right he used the word arrest but should have said ''don't write and display that as you may get a good hiding that I and my officers might not be able to prevent''. The Police have done him a favour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethjohn79 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 5 hours ago, Haguey said: In our trust - routine stuff is being moved where possible, simply due to the bank holiday, no admin staff, support workers, etc. Urgent and critical appointments/surgery going ahead, as will any procedure that will breach 52 weeks. No word for me yet but I'm not in a critical role so would expect the day off. My health board has been very disrespectful they sent me an invitation for a Covid booster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethjohn79 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 4 hours ago, ginnybob said: Gotcha. Hidden away where the thing you're protesting isn't actually happening. So pretty much the way the government wants protests to function going forward. Will you be wearing your Wednesday shirt or shout ''you useless Blunts'' Infront of a load of Blades fans next time there at home, there'll be more cameras around, you'll get more attention, and you'll probably get a good hiding, if the Police are there you may get moved on if you don't listen, they might stick you in the van and until it's safe again. You've done nothing illegal you're just being a dick. If you want a reaction that won't be filmed or pull in a twitter audience, do it in a Blades fan pub out of sight of the Police. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc91 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Garethjohn79 said: Will you be wearing your Wednesday shirt or shout ''you useless Blunts'' Infront of a load of Blades fans next time there at home, there'll be more cameras around, you'll get more attention, and you'll probably get a good hiding, if the Police are there you may get moved on if you don't listen, they might stick you in the van and until it's safe again. You've done nothing illegal you're just being a dick. If you want a reaction that won't be filmed or pull in a twitter audience, do it in a Blades fan pub out of sight of the Police. Yeah, but, you've not got the guarantee that they're a sex offender that you've got with the royals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 This has been a week of shame for the British societies but cancelling cancer care is a new low. What an opportunity for Charles to star this reign off by displaying decency and power by announcing that actually he'd rather thst type of thing not happen in his departed mother's name. Except he won't, because the lives of others won't cross his inbred little mind once 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 The "time and place" arguments and the comparisons with Westboro are completely wrong in this case, in my view. This isn't a funeral that someone has gone particularly out of their way to gatecrash and picket (although doing so ought to be both legal and completely and utterly distasteful), in contrast to Westboro. This is some privileged elite shutting down the entire country to march their way through the main public thoroughfares of primary city. Effectively forcing themselves and their state funeral on everyone. For me that completely changes the discussion on time and place and 'just dont do it at a funeral'. Just dont have a ****ing funeral in the middle of Edinburgh then. As for the blank piece of paper arrests, absolute failed state the UK is. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftback in the changing room Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Not certain whether I should go for a light hearted diversion or stir the pot a bit more in here (I'll let you decide which this is) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 IT’S. WHAT. SHE. WOULD. HAVE. WANTED. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketheheadlesschicken Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 8 hours ago, thefmveteran86 said: Also I might be a British man and I'm not a BIG fan of the royals I wouldn't wish them any harm or anything else devious, I'm proud of the royals but we know all these anti-royalists are treasonists pigs and those who hate the queen and the royals who are human beings like us and should be treated with respect and if you're going to heckle during these times of sorrow I really pity you 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 8 hours ago, Garethjohn79 said: Will you be wearing your Wednesday shirt or shout ''you useless Blunts'' Infront of a load of Blades fans next time there at home, there'll be more cameras around, you'll get more attention, and you'll probably get a good hiding, if the Police are there you may get moved on if you don't listen, they might stick you in the van and until it's safe again. You've done nothing illegal you're just being a dick. If you want a reaction that won't be filmed or pull in a twitter audience, do it in a Blades fan pub out of sight of the Police. Holy false equivalencies Batman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 13 hours ago, Haguey said: In our trust - routine stuff is being moved where possible, simply due to the bank holiday, no admin staff, support workers, etc. Urgent and critical appointments/surgery going ahead, as will any procedure that will breach 52 weeks. No word for me yet but I'm not in a critical role so would expect the day off. For the trusts, it’s another expense added onto their expenditure which they will likely not get money for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 6 hours ago, Christmas said: This has been a week of shame for the British societies but cancelling cancer care is a new low. What an opportunity for Charles to star this reign off by displaying decency and power by announcing that actually he'd rather thst type of thing not happen in his departed mother's name. Except he won't, because the lives of others won't cross his inbred little mind once The Cancelling hasn't come from Charles or the Royal Family. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc91 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, oche balboa said: The Cancelling hasn't come from Charles or the Royal Family. He said it was an opportunity for them to gain some favour by reversing it. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gricehead Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, sc91 said: He said it was an opportunity for them to gain some favour by reversing it. But the Royal Family don't set the rules about what the Royal Family does? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted September 13, 2022 Administrators Share Posted September 13, 2022 I feel quite conflicted really even as a republican. I'm not so sure it's smart to be "protesting" at this time, and having met some people at Republic.org conferences in the past, you do get some real loudmouths even at those. There are some strange people about. It seems lacking in class a bit making the protests personal, when the real questions and issues are about the institution as a whole and they are always relevant, not just now because we are going through a change over in Monarch. For some of them, I think they do run the risk of being hit for heckling and so on, and I think it would probably be smarter for them to organise peacefully their disapproval, so it doesn't look like some of the clips I've seen - randoms in a crowd shouting and holding up signs. OTOH, I think people should have a right to protest and make their voices heard whatever the time, in an ideal world. Makes me uneasy that some are being moved on. The royals are weird, dangerous even for a bunch of reasons (unelected, undemocratic, and then the personal reasons on top of that), but I'd like to think the arguments are compelling enough without having to get into personal dislikes of the individuals. They've lost a mother and a grandmother when all said and done - so personally I'd agree with the Australians that there is a better time for it. Clearly they are swayed enough by the constitutional arguments to not get too personal over it, and I don't see why republicans here can't either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, Gricehead said: But the Royal Family don't set the rules about what the Royal Family does? I'm no royalist, some of the 'hangers on' are truly despicable people, and although I've felt strangely sad and emotional over the whole thing this last week, I truly believe some sort of reform or modification is needed, But those of you shouting for Charles to reverse decisions, he can't just pick up the phone, and say "equerry, change X,Y and Z today please" That's the very thing most of your arguments are based around that they shouldn't have any power or sway. You can't have it both ways, just to suit a personal opinion you know 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 100% spot on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, SouthCoastRed said: I'm no royalist, some of the 'hangers on' are truly despicable people, and although I've felt strangely sad and emotional over the whole thing this last week, I truly believe some sort of reform or modification is needed, But those of you shouting for Charles to reverse decisions, he can't just pick up the phone, and say "equerry, change X,Y and Z today please" That's the very thing most of your arguments are based around that they shouldn't have any power or sway. You can't have it both ways, just to suit a personal opinion you know I'm not sure who you are intending to respond to but that mischaracterizes completely what I've said - which is solely that if he was to suggest maybe his old dear didn't want cancer patients dying in her name while the nation races itself to out-mourn itself then maybe some sense would return. Wouldn't mean he was ordering anything or exercising any power. The primary person it would help is him, and his tarnished image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 14 minutes ago, SouthCoastRed said: I'm no royalist, some of the 'hangers on' are truly despicable people, and although I've felt strangely sad and emotional over the whole thing this last week, I truly believe some sort of reform or modification is needed, But those of you shouting for Charles to reverse decisions, he can't just pick up the phone, and say "equerry, change X,Y and Z today please" That's the very thing most of your arguments are based around that they shouldn't have any power or sway. You can't have it both ways, just to suit a personal opinion you know There's a difference between that and making a statement saying that the family wouldn't want things to grind to a halt in their name. It's still up to those organisations individually how they respond. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza D Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 At work, they have decided to shut the office on 19th September so that we can pay respect to Her Majesty. They have given everyone the option of using annual leave or going unpaid 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gricehead Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, ginnybob said: There's a difference between that and making a statement saying that the family wouldn't want things to grind to a halt in their name. It's still up to those organisations individually how they respond. I don't think they'd even be allowed to make that statement to be honest. The actual members of the Royal Family are pretty much pawns in the Institution's game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SouthCoastRed Posted September 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Christmas said: This is some privileged elite shutting down the entire country to march their way through the main public thoroughfares of primary city. Effectively forcing themselves and their state funeral on everyone. For me that completely changes the discussion on time and place and 'just dont do it at a funeral'. Just dont have a ****ing funeral in the middle of Edinburgh then. I accept the comment about the cancer charities, and the hospitals and yes a word in the right ear, wouldn't be a disaster, but again it isn't and can't be there decisions My post is more in response to this rubbish. They haven't shut the entire country down, the country response to her death is to honour her, not the result of some demonic ancient law passed centuries ago by King Harold. The haven't forced a state funeral on anyone, again it's a honour bestowed by a grateful nation. If you don't like it, ignore it, but don't try and make out we are subjugated peasants forced to doff our caps in reverence. There was 6 hours of queues last night to just walk past the coffin, do you think the yeoman of the guard went out and beat people to make them do that? When she gets to Westminster they think over a million will queue, just think about that for a moment. Just because OTF thinks something is wrong doesn't represent public opinion, if it did every Tory MP, councillor, donater and voter would be crucified on Hampstead Heath and Labour would rule for a thousand years, sadly, especially in this case, the rest of the country doesn't agree. You talk about repairing his 'tarnished image' as well, I got news, his image isn't tarnished, the vast, vast majority love everything about the monarchy. Protest should definitely be allowed, everyone should have an opinion and be free to express it, but don't try to pretend for one moment this is 'forced' on the millions who will line the streets, in fact if they didn't do this, there would be a massive outcry of why not 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 I'm sorry but if you live in Aberdeen or Edinburgh then you have had this forced on you as normal life has been ruined. It took my mother 1h30 to do the 25 minute drive to my 98 year old grandmother on Sunday night, because of needless road closures that should only have been happening around Buckingham palace. That may not be a conclusive argument against the closures happening - but it certainly is against the 'you shouldn't protest at a funeral' nonsense - the funeral / procession was right on everyone's doorsteps, to great inconvenience, over a prolonged period. That's the point. Doesn't matter if simpletons love it, it still deals with the 'dont protest here' authoritarian pish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Christmas said: Doesn't matter if simpletons love it, There's the crux of your argument right there. Everyone is a simpleton who doesn't agree with you. Perfect. You'd make a good king Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted September 13, 2022 Author Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Gazza D said: At work, they have decided to shut the office on 19th September so that we can pay respect to Her Majesty. They have given everyone the option of using annual leave or going unpaid It's an actual additional bank holiday. If they're closing the office, they need to put it in to your leave system to recognise it as a bank holiday. Otherwise, they need to provide you the option to work. Edited September 13, 2022 by Confused Clarity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 she died in Scotland, that's why the operation up here (which has been planned for years) came into force, hence the "road closures" because people wanted to pay their respects Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted September 13, 2022 Administrators Share Posted September 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, SouthCoastRed said: the vast, vast majority love everything about the monarchy. I agreed with everything you had to say except this. It's a majority, but I wouldn't say vast majority at all, unless you're from the Brexiteer school of convincing majorities. Some good polls here. Especially that Charles doesn't have the approval of most at all, which is alarming when there is at least a majority in favour of the monarchy. https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/institution/The_British_Monarchy?content=trackers Most of the monarchy's popularity will be invested in, and in deference to, HM QEII. So what we're seeing over the last week or two is quite right. I'd go as far as saying she's been, and can seen as, the Mother of the Nation since the post war period, which means the vast majority of the country have never known anything else. It's far from certain how support for the monarchy goes from here, but if people want to grieve or celebrate QEII, I don't have a problem with that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, SouthCoastRed said: There's the crux of your argument right there. Everyone is a simpleton who doesn't agree with you. Perfect. You'd make a good king That isn't the crux of the argument though is it, its just the bit you've found easiest to deal with. If the royal family didn't want protestor they shouldnt have tramped about in public. Yes they wanted the adulation, but you can't pick and choose. If it had been done somewhere else then my views would be quite different, a la Balmoral letterbox point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza D Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Confused Clarity said: It's an actual additional bank holiday. If they're closing the office, they need to put it in to your leave system to recognise it as a bank holiday. Otherwise, they need to provide you the option to work. Well one of the people I manage has asked to come in as normal, they said that's no an option and also rejected his request to work from home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted September 13, 2022 Administrators Share Posted September 13, 2022 Just now, Gazza D said: Well one of the people I manage has asked to come in as normal, they said that's no an option and also rejected his request to work from home. Sounds like they are breaking the law to me. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc91 Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 18 minutes ago, SouthCoastRed said: I accept the comment about the cancer charities, and the hospitals and yes a word in the right ear, wouldn't be a disaster, but again it isn't and can't be there decisions My post is more in response to this rubbish. They haven't shut the entire country down, the country response to her death is to honour her, not the result of some demonic ancient law passed centuries ago by King Harold. The haven't forced a state funeral on anyone, again it's a honour bestowed by a grateful nation. If you don't like it, ignore it, but don't try and make out we are subjugated peasants forced to doff our caps in reverence. There was 6 hours of queues last night to just walk past the coffin, do you think the yeoman of the guard went out and beat people to make them do that? When she gets to Westminster they think over a million will queue, just think about that for a moment. Just because OTF thinks something is wrong doesn't represent public opinion, if it did every Tory MP, councillor, donater and voter would be crucified on Hampstead Heath and Labour would rule for a thousand years, sadly, especially in this case, the rest of the country doesn't agree. You talk about repairing his 'tarnished image' as well, I got news, his image isn't tarnished, the vast, vast majority love everything about the monarchy. Protest should definitely be allowed, everyone should have an opinion and be free to express it, but don't try to pretend for one moment this is 'forced' on the millions who will line the streets, in fact if they didn't do this, there would be a massive outcry of why not We haven't got a functioning government at this moment in time, during a national crisis, no less. Furthermore, aspects are forced, we had football cancelled this prior weekend, that was an enforced (by governing bodies in response to said death) change on people. No doubt we will have tributes throughout each of the matches following, but then again, people can't be clasping their pearls if those clubs who get pro-monarchy tributes forced upon them react 'negatively'. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gricehead Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, Confused Clarity said: It's an actual additional bank holiday. If they're closing the office, they need to put it in to your leave system to recognise it as a bank holiday. Otherwise, they need to provide you the option to work. I think this depends on your contracted position for leave. If your contract says "x days annual leave + bank holidays" then they're wrong. If your contract says "x days annual leave including bank holidays" then they're right. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted September 13, 2022 Author Share Posted September 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gazza D said: Well one of the people I manage has asked to come in as normal, they said that's no an option and also rejected his request to work from home. Just now, Lucas said: Sounds like they are breaking the law to me. They're almost certainly in breach of employment law. If they're closing the office, that's their decision not the employee's and they need to accommodate that either by recognising it as an additional bank holiday, or providing the option to work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-62871441 Interesting read Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazza D Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Just now, Confused Clarity said: They're almost certainly in breach of employment law. If they're closing the office, that's their decision not the employee's and they need to accommodate that either by recognising it as an additional bank holiday, or providing the option to work. They've sent us this link https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights and quoted this in their email. Quote Bank holidays Bank or public holidays do not have to be given as paid leave. An employer can choose to include bank holidays as part of a worker’s statutory annual leave. If any of you can point me in the right direction about which laws they are breaking I will get straight back to them. I have checked my contract which states. Quote you will be entitled to 25 days' holiday in each calendar year throughout which you are employed by the company. The 25 days is inclusive of your statutory entitlement but exclusive of all public holidays Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Christmas said: That isn't the crux of the argument though is it, its just the bit you've found easiest to deal with. If the royal family didn't want protestor they shouldnt have tramped about in public. Yes they wanted the adulation, but you can't pick and choose. If it had been done somewhere else then my views would be quite different, a la Balmoral letterbox point Oh ffs, this hasnt been organised by the royal family, it's been organised FOR the royal family, you obviously can't grasp that. I've not said anything negative about the protests I'm all for them if you actually read what I posted, but you are claiming the funeral was forced on us, and I'm saying you're an idiot for believing that And show me one item, anywhere from any source where one member of the royal family has complained about the protests? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastRed Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, sc91 said: We haven't got a functioning government at this moment in time, during a national crisis, no less. Furthermore, aspects are forced, we had football cancelled this prior weekend, that was an enforced (by governing bodies in response to said death) change on people. No doubt we will have tributes throughout each of the matches following, but then again, people can't be clasping their pearls if those clubs who get pro-monarchy tributes forced upon them react 'negatively'. I don't disagree with any of that, my issue is with the claim that the royals forced all this on us, it isn't Charles' fault the FA are idiots 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, sc91 said: We haven't got a functioning government at this moment in time, during a national crisis, no less. Furthermore, aspects are forced, we had football cancelled this prior weekend, that was an enforced (by governing bodies in response to said death) change on people. No doubt we will have tributes throughout each of the matches following, but then again, people can't be clasping their pearls if those clubs who get pro-monarchy tributes forced upon them react 'negatively'. Football deciding to postpone matches isn't a forced change, as it was done within its own powers. Blaming the monarchy for it would be stupid, if someone wants to protest against the monarchy fine, do that with other justifications but using the postponements would be nonsense, protest against the FA. Edited September 13, 2022 by The_jagster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
profii Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 Just now, Gazza D said: They've sent us this link https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights and quoted this in their email. If any of you can point me in the right direction about which laws they are breaking I will get straight back to them. I have checked my contract which states. 1. Your employer can make you take holiday if they give you notice, for 1 day of, they have to give 2 days notice, so they can get away with that 2. Gricehead is right about the wording of the contract which you have provided, it's not perfectly clear but I would read that as you get your 25 days + bank holidays, next Monday is now a bank holiday, so you dont need to use any of your 25 day up you are getting a free day, raise it with your management. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 22 minutes ago, Lucas said: Some good polls here. Especially that Charles doesn't have the approval of most at all, which is alarming when there is at least a majority in favour of the monarchy. https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/institution/The_British_Monarchy?content=trackers Most of the monarchy's popularity will be invested in, and in deference to, HM QEII. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said: I did wonder whether actually being the monarch would change opinion but I didn't expect it to be this stark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Posted September 13, 2022 Share Posted September 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, SouthCoastRed said: Oh ffs, this hasnt been organised by the royal family, it's been organised FOR the royal family, you obviously can't grasp that. I've not said anything negative about the protests I'm all for them if you actually read what I posted, but you are claiming the funeral was forced on us, and I'm saying you're an idiot for believing that And show me one item, anywhere from any source where one member of the royal family has complained about the protests? I didn't grasp it previously because I didn't think that would actually be your argument. The plans for the arrangements following the queen's death will have been made years ago with input from the Queen and the royals. I trust that isn't disputed. So yes you are right that it's not like Lizzy died and Charles got on the blower demanding Edinburgh be shut down, but yes the Royal family absolutely did choose and want street parades and long national mourning periods. The FA and the football being off is obviously a different issue to what I was discussing, which was Akter and others' ridiculous idea that someone from Edinburgh wishing to express their views should have chosen somewhere other than a road closure on their ****ing doorstep to do it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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