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Hi!

First: thanks again for what seems like a wonderful new edition of the game!

Issue: RSC Anderlecht, Head of Youth: Jean Kindermans

His tactical preference in-game is 'catenaccio'. The type of players produced (Doku, Verschaeren, Tielemans, ...) and the style of the club itself leans more to 'control possession' in my opinion. Catenaccio seems like the very opposite of the club in real life. 

Thanks in advance, good luck these coming weeks!

Kind regards

Stijn

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10 hours ago, TheShooter said:

Hi!

First: thanks again for what seems like a wonderful new edition of the game!

Issue: RSC Anderlecht, Head of Youth: Jean Kindermans

His tactical preference in-game is 'catenaccio'. The type of players produced (Doku, Verschaeren, Tielemans, ...) and the style of the club itself leans more to 'control possession' in my opinion. Catenaccio seems like the very opposite of the club in real life. 

Thanks in advance, good luck these coming weeks!

Kind regards

Stijn

Hello, I ll have a look at that one. 

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14 hours ago, Gamma022 said:

Royal Léopold FC (8150910) have the wrong stadium set

It should be the  Neerstalle Complex 

 

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Léopold_Football_Club

 

Voetbalvlaanderen mentions Fallon Stadion as home off the club

There is an A & B squad in competition

A Squad plays in 1st prov Brabant Wall. plays home matches at Fallon, back up at Neerstalle.

B Squand plays in 3rd prov Brabant Wall. , plays home matches at Neerstalle complex, Fallon as back up

According to Voetbalvlaanderen, which has the same information as ACFF.

https://www.voetbalvlaanderen.be/club/964/info

@Gamma022  any other sources besides Wikipedia?

 

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22 minutes ago, Moondog777 said:

Voetbalvlaanderen mentions Fallon Stadion as home off the club

There is an A & B squad in competition

A Squad plays in 1st prov Brabant Wall. plays home matches at Fallon, back up at Neerstalle.

B Squand plays in 3rd prov Brabant Wall. , plays home matches at Neerstalle complex, Fallon as back up

According to Voetbalvlaanderen, which has the same information as ACFF.

https://www.voetbalvlaanderen.be/club/964/info

@Gamma022  any other sources besides Wikipedia?

 

Going off https://www.acff.be/club/964/equipe/214295/calendrier which has all home the fixtures taking place at Neerstalle

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8 minutes ago, S Mukherjee said:

I have not been included in the Standard Liege team staff as performance analyst!

My twitter handle @drmukherjees

If you need more information, please contact me 

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You are in the latest update, so you'll be in full game.

We only didn't have your first name. If you can suggest your year of birth of give us your date of birth - that would be helpful. 

 

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Hello. My birth year is 1980. My surname is Mukherjee 

 

 

I have not been included in the Standard Liege team staff as performance analyst!

My twitter handle @drmukherjees

If you need more information, please contact me 

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1 minute ago, S Mukherjee said:

Hello. My birth year is 1980. My surname is Mukherjee 

 

 

I have not been included in the Standard Liege team staff as performance analyst!

My twitter handle @drmukherjees

If you need more information, please contact me 

I meant your first name - sorry for the confusion. 

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Anderlechts u21 and u18 seem outdated and lack a bunch of players (like duranville and bounida). Both are huge talents in the world of football with clubs like juventus, ajax, manchester city, psg... Who are trying/tried to get them. Sad to see that they are not (yet) in the game as in real life the 2 mentioned are up there with the best youth prospects in all of europe and actually play for the u21 and u18 teams. 

Another example is el hadj still being in u21 when he has been a first team player in over a year. I hope these rosters can be adjusted.

thank you in advance!

 

Sources you can work from:

https://www.rsca.be/nl/teams/first-team

https://www.rsca.be/nl/teams/u21

https://www.transfermarkt.be/rsc-anderlecht-u18/transfers/verein/66529/saison_id/2021

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13 minutes ago, xenomorphing said:

Anderlechts u21 and u18 seem outdated and lack a bunch of players (like duranville and bounida). Both are huge talents in the world of football with clubs like juventus, ajax, manchester city, psg... Who are trying/tried to get them. Sad to see that they are not (yet) in the game as in real life the 2 mentioned are up there with the best youth prospects in all of europe and actually play for the u21 and u18 teams. 

Another example is el hadj still being in u21 when he has been a first team player in over a year. I hope these rosters can be adjusted.

thank you in advance!

 

Sources you can work from:

https://www.rsca.be/nl/teams/first-team

https://www.rsca.be/nl/teams/u21

https://www.transfermarkt.be/rsc-anderlecht-u18/transfers/verein/66529/saison_id/2021

Bounida, Duranville, Butera.... are all too young to be included in the game. the have to be 16 on 01/09/2005. Mentioned players are all born in 2006.

 

Ait El Hadj should indeed be noted as 1st team player 

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2 minutes ago, Moondog777 said:

Bounida, Duranville, Butera.... are all too young to be included in the game. the have to be 16 on 01/09/2005. Mentioned players are all born in 2006.

 

Ait El Hadj should indeed be noted as 1st team player 

My bad, completely forgot about that. 

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I guess that's why Anas Tajaouart isn’t in the game either?

For OH Leuven:

Robbe Wilms is a Central midfielder instead of een CD

Milan Taildeman is right-footed (but also decent with his left)

Xavier Mercier's leadership should be higher than 7. He has shown to be a true leader the last 2 years.

Toon Coolkens is Performance Analyist of the u21 instead of Fitness coach

Berten Knaepen is no longer working as a physio at OHL (he's some sort of innovation manager I think), Mahdi Farra can be added as his replacement.

Daniel Simmes is no longer the u18 manager. He is replaced by Amirian Zurab, who's also specialist in training the technical skills.

Henk Mariman's Tactical Style and preferred formation are not correct (it's now Catenaccio and 4-3-1-2 narrow). He's mostly influenced by dutch football in his vision and want all youth teams to play 4-3-3 with wingers vertical tiki-taka or possession based.

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Not sure if you guys are aware yet, but anderlecht board just confirmed a capital injection totalling 93 million and also a restructure for certain people on the board. I get that there is a short timeframe but is this going to be implemented now or atleast by the winter update?

 

https://netherlandsnewslive.com/marc-coucke-dropping-debts-and-new-lenders-has-anderlecht-been-saved/264803/

only english source i could find but here in belgium it is confirmed by the official channels.

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The financial situation at KRC Genk isn't really accurate. 

Quoting from latest financial rapport :
"
 The 2019-2020 financial year ended with an exceptionally positive balance of €29.1 million, and this despite the corona crisis that has been gripping us all since early March. Our club thus remains extremely healthy, as we are financially stable and debt-free. Equity currently stands at 74.6 million euros. In addition, a provision of 20 million euros has been made because of the expected financial impact of COVID-19 in the following seasons. "
(Source: https://www.krcgenk.be/nl/nieuws/4072/ondanks-coronacrisis-blijft-krc-genk-financieel-stabiel-en-schuldenvrij)

On FM their balance is €11.000.000 with a projection of -28.000.000 by the end of this season

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Also Maarten Vandevoort is at Genk's U21 in game.  But he's the first team keeper IRL -> https://www.transfermarkt.nl/maarten-vandevoordt/profil/spieler/486046
Joseph Paintsil is also a first team player, not u21  https://www.transfermarkt.nl/joseph-paintsil/profil/spieler/534435

Junya Ito signed a new contract intil 2024. https://www.krcgenk.be/nl/krc-genk-tv/1421/i-like-it-here-junya-ito-2024

 


Thanks in advance!  The game is looking good :)

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1 hour ago, xenomorphing said:

Not sure if you guys are aware yet, but anderlecht board just confirmed a capital injection totalling 93 million and also a restructure for certain people on the board. I get that there is a short timeframe but is this going to be implemented now or atleast by the winter update?

 

https://netherlandsnewslive.com/marc-coucke-dropping-debts-and-new-lenders-has-anderlecht-been-saved/264803/

only english source i could find but here in belgium it is confirmed by the official channels.

It's not official yet, has to be confirmed (will probably be so, but one never knows). Here again, timing is awful from release point of view. Finances will probably be included in the winter update. Don't know about the board, as they (Dyck & Buyse) won't get involved in the board.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, lennert97 said:

The financial situation at KRC Genk isn't really accurate. 

Quoting from latest financial rapport :
"
 The 2019-2020 financial year ended with an exceptionally positive balance of €29.1 million, and this despite the corona crisis that has been gripping us all since early March. Our club thus remains extremely healthy, as we are financially stable and debt-free. Equity currently stands at 74.6 million euros. In addition, a provision of 20 million euros has been made because of the expected financial impact of COVID-19 in the following seasons. "
(Source: https://www.krcgenk.be/nl/nieuws/4072/ondanks-coronacrisis-blijft-krc-genk-financieel-stabiel-en-schuldenvrij)

On FM their balance is €11.000.000 with a projection of -28.000.000 by the end of this season

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Also Maarten Vandevoort is at Genk's U21 in game.  But he's the first team keeper IRL -> https://www.transfermarkt.nl/maarten-vandevoordt/profil/spieler/486046
Joseph Paintsil is also a first team player, not u21  https://www.transfermarkt.nl/joseph-paintsil/profil/spieler/534435

Junya Ito signed a new contract intil 2024. https://www.krcgenk.be/nl/krc-genk-tv/1421/i-like-it-here-junya-ito-2024

 


Thanks in advance!  The game is looking good :)

Vandevoordt was already logged, should be ok by the official version.

Rest will be checked and added if possible. if not now, will stand corrected by the winter update.

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9 hours ago, BelgianResearch said:

First team play their game at Fallon - as per https://www.leopoldfc.com/le_club . Youth games at Neerstalle. 

Couple of articles stating that the first team will play at Neerstalle and the youth at Fallon

https://www.leopoldfc.com/interview-president-capitale?fbclid=IwAR0sSmlgtaqicmhA0IQEMLAHYCyD3arg8fJqbiDwxLDUfp4jt6_TSTbEvyk

https://lacapitale.sudinfo.be/528337/article/2020-03-04/d3-8-ans-plus-tard-lequipe-du-leo-revient-uccle

https://lameuse.sudinfo.be/art/d-20200330-GFPH8U

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Hi guys, 

In the fourth belgian division, the color and the name of the new club Renaissance Union Tubize Braine-le-Comte are wrong. The name is Royal (not renaissance) Union Tubize-Braine and the colour are not red and gold but white and gold (it's a mix, before this season the colour of the afc tubize were red and gold and the colour for the Stade Brainois were white and black.

This is the link of their website for verification Royal Union Tubize - Braine (rutb.be)

 

Thanks

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Hello, from the brief look that I had over Ali Gholizadeh's (Charleroi) stats, it seemed like they still did not reflect his technical and dribbling level accurately? Is this going to be fixed for the full release? His strength also seemed overrated?

I wouldn't give him less than 16 dribbling and 16-17 technique, 16-17 flair, probably 6-7 strength

Let me know what you think :)

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i no you dont have much of an in put in transfers that its mainly down to the al but i find it strange that viktor fischer (27036061) , johannes eggestein (91143690) and radja nainggolan (8169332) who have just signed for antwerp imo key signings are all available for loan at the start of game

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5 hours ago, Mush1983 said:

i no you dont have much of an in put in transfers that its mainly down to the al but i find it strange that viktor fischer (27036061) , johannes eggestein (91143690) and radja nainggolan (8169332) who have just signed for antwerp imo key signings are all available for loan at the start of game

Maybe you should log this in the game issues thread. As it's not database related. 

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9 hours ago, LHurlz said:

Josh Cullen can’t get a game for Anderlecht in my save, he’s played every single minute for Anderlecht so far this season in both European competition and the league.

This is noted and logged.

Will be fixed at the start of the game!

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20 Year Old Belgian LW, Ashraf Bouhajra, is not a Free Agent. Transfermarkt reports that he signed a contract extension with Rupel Boom FC on Feburary 12th, 2021, extending his stay at the club until June 30th, 2022.

Source(s):
https://www.transfermarkt.com/achraf-bouhajra/profil/spieler/695808

22 Year Old Belgian DM, Ayoub El Makhoukhi, previously at K Berchem Sport 2004, is not a Free Agent. He signed for Team Olympic Rochus Deurne Pirates on July 1st, 2021, on a Free Transfer. His contract at the club expires on June 30th, 2022. Also, FM lists his Date of Birth as June 6th, 1999, but Transfermarkt and FootballCritic list his Date of Birth as July 23rd, 1999.

Source(s):
https://www.transfermarkt.com/ayoub-el-makhoukhi/profil/spieler/737089
https://www.footballcritic.com/ayoub-el-makhoukhi/profile/373390
https://www.acff.be/club/1146/cartes

22 Year Old Belgian RW, Samba Ndione, previously at Tempo Overijse, is not a Free Agent. He signed for K Diegem Sport on a Free Transfer, on July 1st, 2021. He is contracted to the club until June 30th, 2022.

Source(s):
https://www.transfermarkt.com/samba-ndione/profil/spieler/878493
https://www.kdiegemsport.be/speler/samba-ndione/

24 Year Old Belgian ST, Reno Wilmots, previously at NK Triglav Kranj, is not a Free Agent. He signed for URSL Visé on a Free Transfer, on August 21st, 2021.

Source(s):
https://www.transfermarkt.com/reno-wilmots/profil/spieler/411119
https://urslvise.be/video/2021-08-31-reno-wilmots/

20 Year Old Belgian CB, Rico Seigers, previously at KFC Dessel Sport, is not a Free Agent. He signed for K Witgoor Sport Dessel on a Free Transfer, on July 1st, 2021.

Source(s):
https://www.transfermarkt.com/rico-seigers/profil/spieler/609904
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=642950049086432&story_fbid=3682430505138356

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36 minutes ago, Svenpunt said:

The top 4 teams from the u21 division will be promoted to the second division.

Source: https://www.proximus.be/pickx/nl/2148306/pro-league-bereikt-akkoord-over-toevoeging-beloftenteams-in-1b-en-amateurreeksen

We knew this one was coming, but it's impossible to code for coders, as the real decisions haven't been approved as yet.

We know 4 teams will be promoted, but the practical side and the rules for the coming seasons haven't been rolled out as yet. Like: in which leagues the other U21s will be playing: 8 in first amateur, but the rest? And there will probably be a new vote about a new league format for the top league too. Coders need the full picture before they can code such a big change. Nobody - even not the Pro League - can draw the full picture until now. That's why we took the decision to leave it for now...  

 

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Hi,

 

Few issues I saw on my first look:

 

Patro Eisden:

-        The owner of the club isn’t derrick Devonport anymore.

The club has been taken over by Stijn Stijnen, Rik Vliegen and captain Wouter Corstjens (I know it’s ridiculous)

https://sporza.be/nl/2021/05/12/patro-eisden-komt-opnieuw-in-belgische-handen-van-stijnen-corstjens-en-boekhouder~1620845220658/

-        Brecht vissers is missing as physio.

 

Winkel Sport:

Joedrick Pupe is missing Ksv oostkamp in his history for last season: https://www.transfermarkt.nl/joedrick-pupe/profil/spieler/452296

He didn’t play any games.

 

Cercle Brugge :

Luciano Murchio doesn’t work as performance analyst only as a datascout.

Dylan Vanhaeren should be added as a performance analyst (already in the game as a player of ksv oostkamp)

There is no current u21 manager this should be Wouter Artz or still jimmy dewulf as a second job.

 

VC SV Oostkamp -> KVC SV Oostkamp (and short KSV Oostkamp)

 

Royal Knokke FC (I work in the club administration so my info is certainly right):

-        Stadium is ready in case of 1b, they are allowed to have 4000 persons in attendance.

-        Kristof Arijs should be Kristof Arys: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristof_Arys (it’s wrong on transfermarkt)

- Directors to add: Jan Ollevier and Erwin Van Osta.

-        Tibo Franckaert: has left the club already (signs on 1th of January at waasland-beveren).

-        Sanne Callant (physio) has left the club

-        Ignace Lanckriet has left the club2 years ago

-        Arnaud De Waet has left the club and is replaced by Jelle Sevenhant (07/02/1995).

-        The away shirt should be white instead of red.

-        Zakaria Jr. Lambo should be Zakari Jr. Lambo, also this is a player who is followed by some first division clubs and ligue 2 clubs, to my opinion this is one of the best players in the league, his CA and PA mcan be a bit higher.

-        Corentin Kocur: His physics should be way lower and his technical skills higher this is really a playmaker. Also he is injury prone. (currently injured as well and out for three months).

 

Name of the league has changed from 1ste amateur to 1ste nationale. https://doorfansvoorfans.org/2020/06/16/nieuwe-naam-eerste-amateur-heet-voortaan-eerste-nationale/

 

 

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Royale Union Saint-Gilloise only has 800 season ticket holders when you start the game. This is way too low.

 

The club shared this post on Facebook, where they mention 4200 season ticket holders. Recent games against Seraing, Standard, Zulte Waregem,.. all had more than 6000 fans in attendance.

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Hi another issue in the Belgian amateurleague, this season there is a team too much that relegates because of the bankruptcy of Roeselare. 

NR 13 should  play the play down instead of nr 12.

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15 minutes ago, misterblort said:

RSC Anderlecht has a new investor and the Chairman has dropped a lot of the debt of the club.

So the financial situation in the club should be very different in the full release for a realistic experience.

 

Article

This is already noted and fixed and will be in the full release!

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1 hour ago, jelsev07 said:

Hi another issue in the Belgian amateurleague, this season there is a team too much that relegates because of the bankruptcy of Roeselare. 

NR 13 should  play the play down instead of nr 12.

This is not a database issue but a league rules issue.

 

You should better post this in the [Belgium] (Official) League Specific Issues.

Here is a link tho his fora:

https://community.sigames.com/bugtracker/football-manager-2022-early-access-beta-bugs-forum/league-specific-issues/belgium-official-league-specific-issues/

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On 24/10/2021 at 12:52, CTxCB said:

20 Year Old Belgian LW, Ashraf Bouhajra, is not a Free Agent. Transfermarkt reports that he signed a contract extension with Rupel Boom FC on Feburary 12th, 2021, extending his stay at the club until June 30th, 2022.

Source(s):
https://www.transfermarkt.com/achraf-bouhajra/profil/spieler/695808

22 Year Old Belgian DM, Ayoub El Makhoukhi, previously at K Berchem Sport 2004, is not a Free Agent. He signed for Team Olympic Rochus Deurne Pirates on July 1st, 2021, on a Free Transfer. His contract at the club expires on June 30th, 2022. Also, FM lists his Date of Birth as June 6th, 1999, but Transfermarkt and FootballCritic list his Date of Birth as July 23rd, 1999.

Source(s):
https://www.transfermarkt.com/ayoub-el-makhoukhi/profil/spieler/737089
https://www.footballcritic.com/ayoub-el-makhoukhi/profile/373390
https://www.acff.be/club/1146/cartes

22 Year Old Belgian RW, Samba Ndione, previously at Tempo Overijse, is not a Free Agent. He signed for K Diegem Sport on a Free Transfer, on July 1st, 2021. He is contracted to the club until June 30th, 2022.

Source(s):
https://www.transfermarkt.com/samba-ndione/profil/spieler/878493
https://www.kdiegemsport.be/speler/samba-ndione/

24 Year Old Belgian ST, Reno Wilmots, previously at NK Triglav Kranj, is not a Free Agent. He signed for URSL Visé on a Free Transfer, on August 21st, 2021.

Source(s):
https://www.transfermarkt.com/reno-wilmots/profil/spieler/411119
https://urslvise.be/video/2021-08-31-reno-wilmots/

20 Year Old Belgian CB, Rico Seigers, previously at KFC Dessel Sport, is not a Free Agent. He signed for K Witgoor Sport Dessel on a Free Transfer, on July 1st, 2021.

Source(s):
https://www.transfermarkt.com/rico-seigers/profil/spieler/609904
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=642950049086432&story_fbid=3682430505138356

All have been logged

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Hi!

For Standard liege,

STAFF

serge costa, Football Player Development Coach or T3 ; Léo DJAOUI Athletic Performance and Strength and Conditioning Coach

https://standard.be/fr/equipes/noyau-a/staff

https://standard.be/fr/news/serge-costa-et-leo-djaoui-rejoignent-notre-staff-pro

Who is Emmanuel Kongolo in game? 

Renaat Philippaerts is physical trainer : https://standard.be/fr/equipes/noyau-a/staff

Players

Damjan Pavlovic can play right Back : https://www.transfermarkt.fr/damjan-pavlovic/profil/spieler/409511

Dragus play left winger and striker natural post

Olivier Dumont new contract : https://www.transfermarkt.fr/olivier-dumont/profil/spieler/502452 ; https://standard.be/fr/news/olivier-dumont-prolonge-au-standard-de-liege

Alexandro Calut new contract : https://standard.be/fr/news/nouveau-contrat-pour-alexandro-calut-0 ; https://www.transfermarkt.fr/alexandro-calut/profil/spieler/565428

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1 hour ago, raysiis said:

Hi!

For Standard liege,

STAFF

serge costa, Football Player Development Coach or T3 ; Léo DJAOUI Athletic Performance and Strength and Conditioning Coach

https://standard.be/fr/equipes/noyau-a/staff

https://standard.be/fr/news/serge-costa-et-leo-djaoui-rejoignent-notre-staff-pro

Who is Emmanuel Kongolo in game? 

Renaat Philippaerts is physical trainer : https://standard.be/fr/equipes/noyau-a/staff

Players

Damjan Pavlovic can play right Back : https://www.transfermarkt.fr/damjan-pavlovic/profil/spieler/409511

Dragus play left winger and striker natural post

Olivier Dumont new contract : https://www.transfermarkt.fr/olivier-dumont/profil/spieler/502452 ; https://standard.be/fr/news/olivier-dumont-prolonge-au-standard-de-liege

Alexandro Calut new contract : https://standard.be/fr/news/nouveau-contrat-pour-alexandro-calut-0 ; https://www.transfermarkt.fr/alexandro-calut/profil/spieler/565428

Thanks for logging

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13 hours ago, Spuddixx said:

Union's Abdelmounaim Boutouil is not at the club anymore. He should be at SC Mohammedia.

In the database he's at the right club - post this is in the Africa topic as I can't assess the player. 

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