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US Lecce:

Pantaleo Corvino should be technical director instead of managing director. Source: https://www.transfermarkt.com/pantaleo-corvino/profil/trainer/12584

Juventus/Zebre:

Federico Chiesa transfer becomes permanent after 46 games. While that may be true, it needs to be considered that in real life it is counting all his games from last season, but in the game it only counts for this season.
I would suggest to make it a future permanent transfer or subtract all his league games from last season. That would be 16 games left to activate the option to buy.

Parma:

Gianluigi Buffon got contract until 2023, not 2022.. Source: https://www.transfermarkt.com/gianluigi-buffon/profil/spieler/5023

Atalanta:

Matteo Ruggeri got contract until 2024. Source: https://www.transfermarkt.com/matteo-ruggeri/profil/spieler/616631

Berat Djimsiti got contract until 2023. Source: https://www.transfermarkt.com/berat-djimsiti/profil/spieler/165513

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  • Under affiliated clubs, sister clubs Spezia Calcio, Sønderjyske and Casa Pia A.C. should all be connected. They collaborates on the recruitment of players. Among other things. Spezia buys players who are rented out to Sønderjyske. In addition, Sønderjyske was at a training camp at Casa Pia this summer.


When Sønderjyske sold both Emil Holm and the great talent Julius Beck to Spezia this summer, in both cases significant sell on clauses were secured by Sønderjyske. However, these are not in the game.

  • As Spezia is a sister club, 25-35% of future sales seems to be the size.
  • Furthermore there should be included payments after X games, after international games etc. 

https://soenderjyske.dk/fodbold/soenderjyske-saelger-emil-holm-og-lejer-ham-i-spezia/

https://soenderjyske.dk/fodbold/soenderjyske-saelger-soenderjysk-stortalent-til-spezia/

 

Lastly Julius Beck from Spezia need an upgrade both on current and potential ability. He already got his debut in the Danish Superliga last season and are current captain on Denmarks U17 national team. If Sønderjyske and Spezia did not had the same owner Beck would never have ended in the club, but a larger european club. 

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47 minutes ago, WilsonJuve said:

More of a minor annoyance but both Milan teams share the same ground yet Inter Milan's capacity is 106 seats higher.

Good spot on that one. This is a requirement from the club themselves, though. Something we can't change.

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Sydney van Hooijdonk

Career Stats
Sourced from information on Transfermarkt (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sydney-van-hooijdonk/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/439292/plus/0?saison=2020&verein=132) and FlashScore (https://www.flashscore.com/player/van-hooijdonk-sydney/hIdAwd5O/); Sydney van Hooijdonk's 2020/21 season at NAC Breda in FM22's Career Stats incorrectly states that he scored 15 goals in 28 apps; It should state he scored 16 goals in 31 apps. This error is likely because his appearances in the Promotion / Relegation Play-Off games between the Keuken Kampioen Divisie and Eredivisie are not being counted, whereas they should be because they're an extension of the regular season, despite being held as part of the Eredivisie.

Height
Transfermarkt (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sydney-van-hooijdonk/profil/spieler/439292) and FIFACM (https://www.fifacm.com/player/244601/sydney-van-hooijdonk) reports that Sydney van Hooijdonk's Height is 1.9m (190cm), whereas in the game, it is still listed as 185cm. Based on this new information, I'd recommend increasing his height to 190cm, and his Jumping Reach from 14 > 15, which would be more appropriate for his increased height.

Natural Fitness
Detailed Injury Information available from Transfermarkt (https://www.transfermarkt.com/sydney-van-hooijdonk/verletzungen/spieler/439292) states that during his seven-year football career, he's only sustained one football-related injury (the "Cut" listed at the aforementioned link is actually a cut from a broken shower door (https://netherlandsnewslive.com/sydney-van-hooijdonk-bleeding-victim-of-broken-shower-door-football/28384/)). I feel this warrants increasing his Natural Fitness from 14 > 17.

Free Kick Taking / Penalties
I feel the reduction in his Free Kick Taking (17 > 16) and Penalty Taking (15 > 14) is unsubstantiated, as many respectable Media Outlets historically considering Free Kicks one of his strongest abilities as a player, linked below; The penalty side of things is based on Transfermarkt  (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sydney-van-hooijdonk/elfmetertore/spieler/439292) stating that is Penalty Record is 8 scored, 0 missed. Based on this information, I would instead recommend raising his Free Kick Taking to 18, and his Penalty Taking to 16.

Source(s):
67 Hail Hail ["He can even take a belting free-kick, just like Pierre."] (https://www.67hailhail.com/opinion/celtic-sydney-van-hooijdonk-son-90s-icon/)
Football Oranje ["Another similarity between Sydney and his father is the ability to take free-kicks. The youngster showed last season that he is a specialist from a set piece, scoring a lovely free-kick in a derby match against Willem II."] (http://www.football-oranje.com/the-50-eredivisie-u21-stars-to-watch-2018-19-sydney-van-hooijdonk/)

Potential Ability
I'm unsure what his PA is in FM22, so I'm basing this opinion on my knowledge that his PA in FM21 is -7 (which is a Random PA between 110-140). Based on the impressive final season he had at NAC Breda (16 goals in 31 apps) and the fact he's moved to a much bigger club, I'd recommend his PA be increased to -8 (which is a Random PA between 130-160).

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Rafael Antonio Iacovelli is not a Free Agent, having been picked up by Italian Serie D side, Sammaurese Calcio, seemingly on an End of Contract. He also seems to simply be going by the name of "Rafael Iacovelli" on social media and at Sammaurese Calcio.

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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/rafael-iacovelli/profil/spieler/463773
https://www.cesenatoday.it/sport/calcio/ravenna-batte-sammaurese-primo-turno-coppa-italia.html
https://www.instagram.com/raphaiaco/

 

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I will freely admit that like many others I've jumped on the Lorenzo Lucca bandwagon, anyway I think an attribute of only 4 for Free Kicks seems a bit low for someone who has scored a goal like the one below last season... Might even suggest adding 'Tries long range Free Kicks' and 'Hit Free Kicks with Power' player traits :D

 

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Hi all, thanks for your feedbacks. Comments until now are taken into account for final release. From this stage, it's now too late to make the cut.

In detail:

> Catania's financials were reviewed for final version

> Corvino, Chiesa, Buffon, Ruggeri and Djimsiti contracts fixed

> Ekong relationship added

> Unfortunately the affiliation with Sonderjyske can't be added at this stage. A 25% future sale fee added to Beck's contract, more info needed for a X-games fee clause. It's too early for us to review his ability (minor tweak added) and potential. Holm is in Danish database indeed.

> San Siro's capacities are a licensed issue

> Kaio Jorge height/weight updated

> van Hooijdonk height updated. Minor tweaks to free kicks, penalty and injury proneness.

> Iacovelli and Illuzzi moved. Ujkai, Vianson, Bonanno required, but their transfers will depend on foreign researchers.

>  Franceschi, Larocca, Menta moved as requested.

> Lucca attributes reviewed

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1 hour ago, SoloTitano said:

Hi all, thanks for your feedbacks. Comments until now are taken into account for final release. From this stage, it's now too late to make the cut.

In detail:

> Catania's financials were reviewed for final version

> Corvino, Chiesa, Buffon, Ruggeri and Djimsiti contracts fixed

> Ekong relationship added

> Unfortunately the affiliation with Sonderjyske can't be added at this stage. A 25% future sale fee added to Beck's contract, more info needed for a X-games fee clause. It's too early for us to review his ability (minor tweak added) and potential. Holm is in Danish database indeed.

> San Siro's capacities are a licensed issue

> Kaio Jorge height/weight updated

> van Hooijdonk height updated. Minor tweaks to free kicks, penalty and injury proneness.

> Iacovelli and Illuzzi moved. Ujkai, Vianson, Bonanno required, but their transfers will depend on foreign researchers.

>  Franceschi, Larocca, Menta moved as requested.

> Lucca attributes reviewed

What about Van Hooijdonk's Natural Fitness? Shouldn't that be given a boost of at least +2 given the fact he's seemingly only had one playing injury in his career at NAC Breda?

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59 minuti fa, CTxCB ha scritto:

What about Van Hooijdonk's Natural Fitness? Shouldn't that be given a boost of at least +2 given the fact he's seemingly only had one playing injury in his career at NAC Breda?

That's a lower injury proneness to me rather than higher natural fitness

IP: How likely he is to get injured. The higher the number the more likely the player will get injured

NF: How high the player’s natural fitness is. How well he stays fit when injured or not training.

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- Dybala is refusing to even negotiate a new contract, although in real life he is about to sign a new contract from all reports

- Morata has had his composure reduced, and is now at 10 - however, by comparison - Timo Werner who had a very similar with Chelsea (getting in good positions only to miss fairly simple chances) has composure of 13. Morata had a more productive goal scoring season, yet somehow he's had the more major hit? Could I please understand the consistency with this?

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Also worth pointing out that Weston McKennie long throw have gone down too only 4 on Beta.  And last match day in real life versus Inter. He had no problem sending throws towards the penalty spot.

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Sampdoria: Not sure if this is an error, but at the start of my save Damsgaard was on a salary of three thousand pound a week.

Wasn't a problem, as immediately negotiated a new contract with a healthy release clause, as was always my intention, to use him as my cash cow. But thought it was worth mentioning. 

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Just curious, Luca Pellegrini seems to be availaible on the cheap in the beta. I can't find anything about him wanting to leave Juventus or them selling him, so where does this come from? Is it supposed to be like this?

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Hi,

here some managerial changes in italian Serie A / Serie B / Lega Pro

 

Fabrizio Castori sacked from Salernitana on the 17th of October

Stefano Colantuono appointed as new Salernitana manager on the 17th of October

Riccardo Bocchini sacked from assistant manager Salernitana

Gianfranco CInello appointed as new assistant manager Salernitana on the 17th of October

Massimo Rastelli sacked from Pordenone on the 16th of October

Bruno Tedino appointed as new Pordenone manager on the 18th of October

Dario Rossi sacked from Pordenone assistant manager role on the 16th of October

Carlo Marchetto appointed as new Pordenone assistant manager on the 18th of October

Alberto Gilardino sacked from Siena on the 24th of October

Massimiliano Maddaloni appointed as new Siena manager on the 25th of October

Gaetano Caridi sacked as Siena assistant manager on the 24th of October

Michelangelo Rampulla appointed as new Siena assistant manager on the 25th of October

Walter Novellino sacked from Juve Stabia on the 17th of October

Eduardo Imbimbo managed Juve Stabia from the 17th to 21st of October

Stefano Sottili appointed as new Juve Stabia manager on the 22nd of October

Antonio Niccolai appointed as new assistant manager Juve Stabia on the 22nd of October.

 

 

 

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19 ore fa, HbG93 ha scritto:

Also worth pointing out that Weston McKennie long throw have gone down too only 4 on Beta.  And last match day in real life versus Inter. He had no problem sending throws towards the penalty spot.

Nice spot, unfortunately too late for full release.

5 ore fa, TWG85 ha scritto:

Sampdoria: Not sure if this is an error, but at the start of my save Damsgaard was on a salary of three thousand pound a week.

Wasn't a problem, as immediately negotiated a new contract with a healthy release clause, as was always my intention, to use him as my cash cow. But thought it was worth mentioning. 

That's surely a typo, again, sorry to find out too late.

3 ore fa, JulesD ha scritto:

Just curious, Luca Pellegrini seems to be availaible on the cheap in the beta. I can't find anything about him wanting to leave Juventus or them selling him, so where does this come from? Is it supposed to be like this?

Just a backup player (he played 7% of total minutes atm) that IA does not consider very useful, seems nothing problematic to me.

1 ora fa, alfonso8183 ha scritto:

Hi,

here some managerial changes in italian Serie A / Serie B / Lega Pro

 

Fabrizio Castori sacked from Salernitana on the 17th of October

Stefano Colantuono appointed as new Salernitana manager on the 17th of October

Riccardo Bocchini sacked from assistant manager Salernitana

Gianfranco CInello appointed as new assistant manager Salernitana on the 17th of October

Massimo Rastelli sacked from Pordenone on the 16th of October

Bruno Tedino appointed as new Pordenone manager on the 18th of October

Dario Rossi sacked from Pordenone assistant manager role on the 16th of October

Carlo Marchetto appointed as new Pordenone assistant manager on the 18th of October

Alberto Gilardino sacked from Siena on the 24th of October

Massimiliano Maddaloni appointed as new Siena manager on the 25th of October

Gaetano Caridi sacked as Siena assistant manager on the 24th of October

Michelangelo Rampulla appointed as new Siena assistant manager on the 25th of October

Walter Novellino sacked from Juve Stabia on the 17th of October

Eduardo Imbimbo managed Juve Stabia from the 17th to 21st of October

Stefano Sottili appointed as new Juve Stabia manager on the 22nd of October

Antonio Niccolai appointed as new assistant manager Juve Stabia on the 22nd of October.

Please note that beta has database updated on 13th October. The changes happened before yesterday, will be on final release.

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On 23/10/2021 at 18:25, CTxCB said:

Sydney van Hooijdonk

Career Stats
Sourced from information on Transfermarkt (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sydney-van-hooijdonk/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/439292/plus/0?saison=2020&verein=132) and FlashScore (https://www.flashscore.com/player/van-hooijdonk-sydney/hIdAwd5O/); Sydney van Hooijdonk's 2020/21 season at NAC Breda in FM22's Career Stats incorrectly states that he scored 15 goals in 28 apps; It should state he scored 16 goals in 31 apps. This error is likely because his appearances in the Promotion / Relegation Play-Off games between the Keuken Kampioen Divisie and Eredivisie are not being counted, whereas they should be because they're an extension of the regular season, despite being held as part of the Eredivisie.

Height
Transfermarkt (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sydney-van-hooijdonk/profil/spieler/439292) and FIFACM (https://www.fifacm.com/player/244601/sydney-van-hooijdonk) reports that Sydney van Hooijdonk's Height is 1.9m (190cm), whereas in the game, it is still listed as 185cm. Based on this new information, I'd recommend increasing his height to 190cm, and his Jumping Reach from 14 > 15, which would be more appropriate for his increased height.

Natural Fitness
Detailed Injury Information available from Transfermarkt (https://www.transfermarkt.com/sydney-van-hooijdonk/verletzungen/spieler/439292) states that during his seven-year football career, he's only sustained one football-related injury (the "Cut" listed at the aforementioned link is actually a cut from a broken shower door (https://netherlandsnewslive.com/sydney-van-hooijdonk-bleeding-victim-of-broken-shower-door-football/28384/)). I feel this warrants increasing his Natural Fitness from 14 > 17.

Free Kick Taking / Penalties
I feel the reduction in his Free Kick Taking (17 > 16) and Penalty Taking (15 > 14) is unsubstantiated, as many respectable Media Outlets historically considering Free Kicks one of his strongest abilities as a player, linked below; The penalty side of things is based on Transfermarkt  (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sydney-van-hooijdonk/elfmetertore/spieler/439292) stating that is Penalty Record is 8 scored, 0 missed. Based on this information, I would instead recommend raising his Free Kick Taking to 18, and his Penalty Taking to 16.

Source(s):
67 Hail Hail ["He can even take a belting free-kick, just like Pierre."] (https://www.67hailhail.com/opinion/celtic-sydney-van-hooijdonk-son-90s-icon/)
Football Oranje ["Another similarity between Sydney and his father is the ability to take free-kicks. The youngster showed last season that he is a specialist from a set piece, scoring a lovely free-kick in a derby match against Willem II."] (http://www.football-oranje.com/the-50-eredivisie-u21-stars-to-watch-2018-19-sydney-van-hooijdonk/)

Potential Ability
I'm unsure what his PA is in FM22, so I'm basing this opinion on my knowledge that his PA in FM21 is -7 (which is a Random PA between 110-140). Based on the impressive final season he had at NAC Breda (16 goals in 31 apps) and the fact he's moved to a much bigger club, I'd recommend his PA be increased to -8 (which is a Random PA between 130-160).

The hight end of -8 PA is too high. This would make him a Dutch International and I don't see it happening. (But never say never) -  Some of the other points definitely make sense - he did have some fitness issues but as confirmed by SoloTitano his ip/nat fit has been looked at.

Good post by the way

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20 minutes ago, Reddiablo said:

The hight end of -8 PA is too high. This would make him a Dutch International and I don't see it happening. (But never say never) -  Some of the other points definitely make sense - he did have some fitness issues but as confirmed by SoloTitano his ip/nat fit has been looked at.

Good post by the way

What is his RPA in FM22? -7 seems too low for somebody who has moved to a new league and is the son of a Dutch Legend.

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2 minutes ago, CTxCB said:

What is his RPA in FM22? -7 seems too low for somebody who has moved to a new league and is the son of a Dutch Legend.

Being the son of a "legend" doesn't automatically make one good.  How about Joe van der Sar or Frenkie Overmars?

He has the technique and possibly the skills to play higher than the Dutch 2nd tier, but he wouldn't be a given starter on any team in the Eredivisie. Maybe one or two in the bottom. The same can be said now in Italy. He was a free transfer and he earnt relatively low wages so he's a good gamble to pick up.

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Ciao

 Here there are some Serie A / Serie B / Italy Cup / Italy Supercup record that are missing or need to be correct.

 

Serie A

Highest Attendance Average: 78.359 Milan (season 1990-91)

Lowest Attendance Average: 4.636 Cagliari (season 2013-14)

Most Matches Lost in a Row: 14 Benevento (from 20 August 2017 to 27 November 2017)

Most  Consecutive without scoring: 8 Empoli (from  18 September 2016 to 30 October 2016)

Most Consecutive without conceding: 10 Juventus (from 17 January 2016 to 20 March 2016)

Youngest Goalscorer: Amadeo Amadei  15 years 287 days at AS Roma, (Vs. Lucchese, 9 May 1937)

 

Serie B

Highest Attendance: 70.657 Napoli vs Genoa (11 June 2000)

Highest Attendance Average: 35.176 Napoli (season 2006-07)

Lowest Attendance Average: 1.293 Gallipoli (season 2009-10)

Most Matches without losing:  30 Perugia (from 16 September 1984 to 28 April 1985)

Most Matches without winning: 20 Juve Stabia (from 1 February 2014 to 30 May 2014)

Fastest Goal: Daniele Bellotto  7 seconds (Salernitana vs. Ancona 7 April 2002)

 

Coppa Italia

Most Matches Won in a Row: 20 Napoli (from 1 September 1985 to 6 September 1987)

Most Matches Lost in a Row: 11 Cavese (from 22 August 1984 to 7 August 2005)

Most Matches without losing: 21 Napoli (from 28 August 1985 to 6 September 1987)

Most Matches without winning: 11 Cavese (from 22 August 1984 to 7 August 2005)

Most Matches without conceding:  7 Torino  (from 5 September 1979 to 17 May 1980)

Most Matches without scoring: 7 Perugia (from 22 August 1984 to 25 August 1985)

Most Team Goals: 32 Napoli (season 1986-87)

Most Team Goals Conceded: 24 Cavese  (season 1984-85)

Most Goals By a Player in a Match: 5 Felice Evacuo (Benevento vs. Este   - 8 August 2010)

Most Clean Sheets by a Player in a season: 8 Giuliano Terraneo (Torino - Season 1979-80)

 

Please note that Gianluca Vialli record (13 goals) was realized in 1988-89 season (In FM is reported 1989-90)

 

 

Italian Supercup

Most Matches Won in a Row: 3 Milan (from 30 August 1992 to 28 August 1994)

Most Matches Lost in a Row: 2 Sampdoria (from 14 June 1989 to 29 November 1989)

Most Matches Without Losing: 3 Milan (from 30 August 1992 to 28 August 1994)

Most Matches Without Winning: 3 Milan (from 30 August 1992 to 28 August 1994)

Most Matches Without Conceding: 1 Inter (season 1989-90)

Most Matches Without Scoring: 1 Sampdoria (season 1989-90)

Most Team Goals: 5 Napoli (season 1990-91)

Most Team Conceded: 5 Juventus (season 1990-91)

Most Overall Goals by a player in a season: 3 Andriy Shevchenko (Milan, Season 2004-05)

Most Clean Sheets by a player in a season: 1 Walter Zenga (Inter, Season 1989-90)

Oldest Goalscorer: Cristiano Ronaldo 35years 350days in Juventus - Napoli on the 20th of January 2021

 

Many thanks for your attention

 

 

 

 

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Il 23/10/2021 in 18:25 , CTxCB ha scritto:

Sydney van Hooijdonk

Career Stats
Sourced from information on Transfermarkt (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sydney-van-hooijdonk/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/439292/plus/0?saison=2020&verein=132) and FlashScore (https://www.flashscore.com/player/van-hooijdonk-sydney/hIdAwd5O/); Sydney van Hooijdonk's 2020/21 season at NAC Breda in FM22's Career Stats incorrectly states that he scored 15 goals in 28 apps; It should state he scored 16 goals in 31 apps. This error is likely because his appearances in the Promotion / Relegation Play-Off games between the Keuken Kampioen Divisie and Eredivisie are not being counted, whereas they should be because they're an extension of the regular season, despite being held as part of the Eredivisie.

Height
Transfermarkt (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sydney-van-hooijdonk/profil/spieler/439292) and FIFACM (https://www.fifacm.com/player/244601/sydney-van-hooijdonk) reports that Sydney van Hooijdonk's Height is 1.9m (190cm), whereas in the game, it is still listed as 185cm. Based on this new information, I'd recommend increasing his height to 190cm, and his Jumping Reach from 14 > 15, which would be more appropriate for his increased height.

Natural Fitness
Detailed Injury Information available from Transfermarkt (https://www.transfermarkt.com/sydney-van-hooijdonk/verletzungen/spieler/439292) states that during his seven-year football career, he's only sustained one football-related injury (the "Cut" listed at the aforementioned link is actually a cut from a broken shower door (https://netherlandsnewslive.com/sydney-van-hooijdonk-bleeding-victim-of-broken-shower-door-football/28384/)). I feel this warrants increasing his Natural Fitness from 14 > 17.

Free Kick Taking / Penalties
I feel the reduction in his Free Kick Taking (17 > 16) and Penalty Taking (15 > 14) is unsubstantiated, as many respectable Media Outlets historically considering Free Kicks one of his strongest abilities as a player, linked below; The penalty side of things is based on Transfermarkt  (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sydney-van-hooijdonk/elfmetertore/spieler/439292) stating that is Penalty Record is 8 scored, 0 missed. Based on this information, I would instead recommend raising his Free Kick Taking to 18, and his Penalty Taking to 16.

Source(s):
67 Hail Hail ["He can even take a belting free-kick, just like Pierre."] (https://www.67hailhail.com/opinion/celtic-sydney-van-hooijdonk-son-90s-icon/)
Football Oranje ["Another similarity between Sydney and his father is the ability to take free-kicks. The youngster showed last season that he is a specialist from a set piece, scoring a lovely free-kick in a derby match against Willem II."] (http://www.football-oranje.com/the-50-eredivisie-u21-stars-to-watch-2018-19-sydney-van-hooijdonk/)

Potential Ability
I'm unsure what his PA is in FM22, so I'm basing this opinion on my knowledge that his PA in FM21 is -7 (which is a Random PA between 110-140). Based on the impressive final season he had at NAC Breda (16 goals in 31 apps) and the fact he's moved to a much bigger club, I'd recommend his PA be increased to -8 (which is a Random PA between 130-160).

As head researcher of Bologna fc, I'll answer fast.
I like Sydney as player for that i've seen in preaseason and by Nac highlights, but after 10 games, here in Bologna, he played only 10 minutes. In the last match, Arnautovic has been replaced by Santander, not Sydney. However in the last submission that i could make, I upgraded his rating of 8 points and his PA in the first sub i upgraded until 150.
I also explain why i've downgraded his value in free kick and pk, In italy serie a 16 is high value, as 15 in pk. it's dangerous that a player who played and showed his ability only in second league of Holland, give him these high values. I remember of Stefano Denswill, the dutchman researcher, before of transfer in Bologna FC, gave him 14 in free kick. In the game the player was lethal free kicker. For the history Stefano, the only free kick shot, that he made, is gone in Andrea Costa Curve.

Thank you for report for heights, and as Bologna Fan, i hope that Sydney becomes a great player.

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6 minutes ago, vuje85 said:

As head researcher of Bologna fc, I'll answer fast.
I like Sydney as player for that i've seen in preaseason and by Nac highlights, but after 10 games, here in Bologna, he played only 10 minutes. In the last match, Arnautovic has been replaced by Santander, not Sydney. However in the last submission that i could make, I upgraded his rating of 8 points and his PA in the first sub i upgraded until 150.
I also explain why i've downgraded his value in free kick and pk, In italy serie a 16 is high value, as 15 in pk. it's dangerous that a player who played and showed his ability only in second league of Holland, give him these high values. I remember of Stefano Denswill, the dutchman researcher, before of transfer in Bologna FC, gave him 14 in free kick. In the game the player was lethal free kicker. For the history Stefano, the only free kick shot, that he made, is gone in Andrea Costa Curve.

Thank you for report for heights, and as Bologna Fan, i hope that Sydney becomes a great player.

Denswil came from the Belgium researcher. Although he did take free kicks in his Ajax youth days as well.

It's extremely tricky to change a player based on a few preseason highlights and 10 minutes of action!!!  A PA of 150 would make him a star at Ajax and a clear first team Dutch international which is too much.
Sydney is a very good free kick / penalty taker though, which you can see from the highlights alone. He doesn't seem for off from his father

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 yep' Belgium Researcher from Genk. However, his PA, I remember between 140-150.  Sometimes, 10 minutes are enough. 145 or 150, this does not mean that Van Hoojdonk become a football star, but  that he could became a honest player.   With Tomiyasu, first ten minutes in italian cup against italian club from serie C, it was possible to understand, that he becomes a good player. 

15 minuti fa, Reddiablo ha scritto:

Denswil came from the Belgium researcher. Although he did take free kicks in his Ajax youth days as well.

It's extremely tricky to change a player based on a few preseason highlights and 10 minutes of action!!!  A PA of 150 would make him a star at Ajax and a clear first team Dutch international which is too much.
Sydney is a very good free kick / penalty taker though, which you can see from the highlights alone. He doesn't seem for off from his father

 

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10 hours ago, vuje85 said:

 yep' Belgium Researcher from Genk. However, his PA, I remember between 140-150.  Sometimes, 10 minutes are enough. 145 or 150, this does not mean that Van Hoojdonk become a football star, but  that he could became a honest player.   With Tomiyasu, first ten minutes in italian cup against italian club from serie C, it was possible to understand, that he becomes a good player. 

 

 

With 150 he would be easily the very best player at Bologna and much better than all of your current players. That's too good and therefore he has been lowered for the game.
Arnautovic has a CA of 145, Soriano 143. Sydney would become better than they are. I personally believe he will not make it as a regular starter at Bologna, but it is still possible. Maybe a starter, sure. But not a very important player.

10 minutes is not enough. Wow. My scouting heart is crying. Of course you can see some very basic things, but if you watch the wrong 10 minutes you could see a lazy, uniterested Messi and rate him 100 CA, 105 PA. (slow, lazy, bad attitude, not working, not defending, little movement)

Further, if we look at the Dutch National team currently some rotation players. OK, Weghorst is a backup to Depay - but Gakpo and Dumfries are definitely seeing more minutes
Gakpo 137

Dumfries has 143

Weghorst has 145

even Jerdy Schouten was talked about as an option, what is his CA?

Denswil is actually a good example. He now has 125/130. I suppose that's fine. He was very talented at Ajax and was definitely considered to become a Dutch NT player and also started out well at Club Brugge. He however never really made that extra step and has now always just been a decent, or an "honest" player but he never established his pure potential. You mentioend Dutch researcher, that's why I answered - he came to you from Belgium - just to clarify that ;)

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48 minuti fa, Reddiablo ha scritto:

With 150 he would be easily the very best player at Bologna and much better than all of your current players. That's too good and therefore he has been lowered for the game.
Arnautovic has a CA of 145, Soriano 143. Sydney would become better than they are. I personally believe he will not make it as a regular starter at Bologna, but it is still possible. Maybe a starter, sure. But not a very important player.

10 minutes is not enough. Wow. My scouting heart is crying. Of course you can see some very basic things, but if you watch the wrong 10 minutes you could see a lazy, uniterested Messi and rate him 100 CA, 105 PA. (slow, lazy, bad attitude, not working, not defending, little movement)

Further, if we look at the Dutch National team currently some rotation players. OK, Weghorst is a backup to Depay - but Gakpo and Dumfries are definitely seeing more minutes
Gakpo 137

Dumfries has 143

Weghorst has 145

even Jerdy Schouten was talked about as an option, what is his CA?

Denswil is actually a good example. He now has 125/130. I suppose that's fine. He was very talented at Ajax and was definitely considered to become a Dutch NT player and also started out well at Club Brugge. He however never really made that extra step and has now always just been a decent, or an "honest" player but he never established his pure potential. You mentioend Dutch researcher, that's why I answered - he came to you from Belgium - just to clarify that ;)

Naaaa.. But 150(however I Believe his PA is lower, 142 for precision, ive checked now), it's very difficult to reach it in the game.  SVH starts from 115 as rating. honest value for me. I dont understand your controversy. You are very picky. 10 minutes so to speak. It's also true that for some players you can see from first touch, if these are special. For other not.
Jerdy 134, honest value. Good Player, if he plays for Naples or Milan(this summer Naples or Rome have asked informations), i think the dutch team could be call him. Jerdy is older than Dumfries, infact his PA is lower than Dumfries.
I Think that taking some national teams as reference point for rating is wrong.  Some national teams are seaports or buildings under construction.

It's a game, the managing potential in FM, is very questionable.  I dont know, Stefano 4 or 5 years ago, maybe he had 150 or more as PA and probably in FM 2015 or 2014, he become a good player or he entered in dutch national team. For SVD, i cant see an error his potential. Tomorrow ,maybe he plays  instead of Arnautovic( injury) and he scores. :)

 

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CIao

here some SSC Napoli team stats record that need to be corrected or are absent:

 

Fewest Points in a Season: 1 (season 1926-27)

Fewest League Wins in a Season: 0 (season 1926-27)

Fewest League Draw in a Season: 1 (season 1926-27)

Highest Gate Receipts: 4.484.302 Euro in Napoli vs Real Madrid (Uefa Champions League, 7 March 2017)

Highest Attendance: 89.992 Napoli vs Perugia (serie A, 20 October 1979)

Average Attendance: 77.527 (Season 1984-85)

Most League goal by a player: 106 Attila Sallustro

Most Goals in a season by a player: 38 Edinson Cavani (season 2012-13)

Fastest Goal: Irving Lozano 8 seconds (Napoli vs Verona, 24 January 2021)

Most Clean Sheets by a player in a Season: 27 Giuliano Giuliani (season 1988-89)

Most Matches won in a Row: 11 (from 6 April 1986 to 21 September 1986)

Most Matches without losing: 19 (from 28 April 1974 to 27 November 1974)

Most Matches lost in a Row: 14 (from 3 October 1926 to 6 February 1927) - 

Most Matches without Winning:  18 (from 3 October 1926 to 20 March 1927) 

Most Matches without Scoring: 6 (from 23 January 1927 to 29 March 1927)

Most Matches without Conceding: 10 (from 6 September 1970 to 22 November 1970)

Youngest Player: Antonio Carannante 16years 9months 28days (Napoli - Torino, Serie A, 21 March 1982)  

 

Then, if possible, i would like to suggest you to add more former players that are considered as "icons" in the club history and are unexpectedly absent in that list.

in the specific:

Attila Sallustro (all time League goalscorer)

Antonio Vojak (former striker, 103 goals)

Bruno Pesaola (former great player and manager with 2 trophies lift)

Hasse Jeppson (former player, famous as one of most expensive transfer in 1950')

Luis Vinicio (great former player with 70 goals and former manager with one trophy lift)

Omar Sivori (three times Ballon d'Or)

Jarbas Faustino Cané (over 250 matches in the club)

Antonio Juliano (over 500 apparences in the club)

Giuseppe Savoldi (former great striker)

Ruud Krol (famous former defender)

Giuseppe Bruscolotti (over 500 apparences in the club)

Bruno Giordano (famous striker that won one scudetto)

Fernando De Napoli (famous midfielder that won two scudetto and one Uefa Cup)

Alemao (famous brazilian midfielder)

Claudio Garella (famous goalkeeper)

Arnaldo Sentimenti (famous goalkeeper)

 

Adding to this, "favourite personnel" are considered also:

Roberto Sosa

Paolo Cannavaro

Francesco Montervino

Emanuele Calaiò

 

just the last thing, the real Fierce Rivals is historically considered the Juventus. Other competitive rivals are Milan, Inter, Roma. 

many thanks!

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Ciao

Here some people missing in the game. 

 

Marco Cassetti 
Manager role with UEFA Pro Licence, former assistant Albania assistant manager
https://www.transfermarkt.it/marco-cassetti/profil/trainer/58204

 

Massimo Ficcadenti
Manager role. Current manager in Japan (the reason he is missing in FM22?)
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massimo_Ficcadenti

 

Raffaele Di Fusco
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raffaele_Di_Fusco
Former Player & Goalkeeping Coach


Giuseppe Taglialatela
Former Player & Goalkeeping Coach, current Director in Ischia Calcio
https://ssdischiacalcio.it/societa/organigramma
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Taglialatela#cite_note-17


Moreno Ferrario
Former Player & current Youth Team Coach at Legnano
http://academy.aclegnano.it/giovanissimi-2006-b/

 

 

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Ciao,

i'd like to spot that some italian manager/ coach have an incorrect / missing history  milestones

This value (trophies lift, placement, awards, football history) effectively change their role and importance in the game because if their history is not complete, probably they can miss job opportunities and the game will create (too much soon) regen instead using real person with appropriate skills. 

 

Here some examples but the list probably could be longer with a complete research

Fernando De Napoli

Pietro Vierchowod

Giuseppe Dossena

Roberto Rambaudi

Giuseppe Giannini

 

thanks

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Il 26/10/2021 in 17:51 , alfonso8183 ha scritto:

Ciao

 Here there are some Serie A / Serie B / Italy Cup / Italy Supercup record that are missing or need to be correct.

 

Serie A

Highest Attendance Average: 78.359 Milan (season 1990-91)

Lowest Attendance Average: 4.636 Cagliari (season 2013-14)

Most Matches Lost in a Row: 14 Benevento (from 20 August 2017 to 27 November 2017)

Most  Consecutive without scoring: 8 Empoli (from  18 September 2016 to 30 October 2016)

Most Consecutive without conceding: 10 Juventus (from 17 January 2016 to 20 March 2016)

Youngest Goalscorer: Amadeo Amadei  15 years 287 days at AS Roma, (Vs. Lucchese, 9 May 1937)

 

Serie B

Highest Attendance: 70.657 Napoli vs Genoa (11 June 2000)

Highest Attendance Average: 35.176 Napoli (season 2006-07)

Lowest Attendance Average: 1.293 Gallipoli (season 2009-10)

Most Matches without losing:  30 Perugia (from 16 September 1984 to 28 April 1985)

Most Matches without winning: 20 Juve Stabia (from 1 February 2014 to 30 May 2014)

Fastest Goal: Daniele Bellotto  7 seconds (Salernitana vs. Ancona 7 April 2002)

 

Coppa Italia

Most Matches Won in a Row: 20 Napoli (from 1 September 1985 to 6 September 1987)

Most Matches Lost in a Row: 11 Cavese (from 22 August 1984 to 7 August 2005)

Most Matches without losing: 21 Napoli (from 28 August 1985 to 6 September 1987)

Most Matches without winning: 11 Cavese (from 22 August 1984 to 7 August 2005)

Most Matches without conceding:  7 Torino  (from 5 September 1979 to 17 May 1980)

Most Matches without scoring: 7 Perugia (from 22 August 1984 to 25 August 1985)

Most Team Goals: 32 Napoli (season 1986-87)

Most Team Goals Conceded: 24 Cavese  (season 1984-85)

Most Goals By a Player in a Match: 5 Felice Evacuo (Benevento vs. Este   - 8 August 2010)

Most Clean Sheets by a Player in a season: 8 Giuliano Terraneo (Torino - Season 1979-80)

 

Please note that Gianluca Vialli record (13 goals) was realized in 1988-89 season (In FM is reported 1989-90)

 

 

Italian Supercup

Most Matches Won in a Row: 3 Milan (from 30 August 1992 to 28 August 1994)

Most Matches Lost in a Row: 2 Sampdoria (from 14 June 1989 to 29 November 1989)

Most Matches Without Losing: 3 Milan (from 30 August 1992 to 28 August 1994)

Most Matches Without Winning: 3 Milan (from 30 August 1992 to 28 August 1994)

Most Matches Without Conceding: 1 Inter (season 1989-90)

Most Matches Without Scoring: 1 Sampdoria (season 1989-90)

Most Team Goals: 5 Napoli (season 1990-91)

Most Team Conceded: 5 Juventus (season 1990-91)

Most Overall Goals by a player in a season: 3 Andriy Shevchenko (Milan, Season 2004-05)

Most Clean Sheets by a player in a season: 1 Walter Zenga (Inter, Season 1989-90)

Oldest Goalscorer: Cristiano Ronaldo 35years 350days in Juventus - Napoli on the 20th of January 2021

 

Many thanks for your attention

 

 

 

 

Very interesting, thanks. We'll look in detail for winter update.

Il 27/10/2021 in 10:55 , Xtal ha scritto:

Genoa's Goran Pandev is retired from international football.

Will be done for winter update.

21 ore fa, alfonso8183 ha scritto:

CIao

here some SSC Napoli team stats record that need to be corrected or are absent:

 

Fewest Points in a Season: 1 (season 1926-27)

Fewest League Wins in a Season: 0 (season 1926-27)

Fewest League Draw in a Season: 1 (season 1926-27)

Highest Gate Receipts: 4.484.302 Euro in Napoli vs Real Madrid (Uefa Champions League, 7 March 2017)

Highest Attendance: 89.992 Napoli vs Perugia (serie A, 20 October 1979)

Average Attendance: 77.527 (Season 1984-85)

Most League goal by a player: 106 Attila Sallustro

Most Goals in a season by a player: 38 Edinson Cavani (season 2012-13)

Fastest Goal: Irving Lozano 8 seconds (Napoli vs Verona, 24 January 2021)

Most Clean Sheets by a player in a Season: 27 Giuliano Giuliani (season 1988-89)

Most Matches won in a Row: 11 (from 6 April 1986 to 21 September 1986)

Most Matches without losing: 19 (from 28 April 1974 to 27 November 1974)

Most Matches lost in a Row: 14 (from 3 October 1926 to 6 February 1927) - 

Most Matches without Winning:  18 (from 3 October 1926 to 20 March 1927) 

Most Matches without Scoring: 6 (from 23 January 1927 to 29 March 1927)

Most Matches without Conceding: 10 (from 6 September 1970 to 22 November 1970)

Youngest Player: Antonio Carannante 16years 9months 28days (Napoli - Torino, Serie A, 21 March 1982)  

 

Then, if possible, i would like to suggest you to add more former players that are considered as "icons" in the club history and are unexpectedly absent in that list.

in the specific:

Attila Sallustro (all time League goalscorer)

Antonio Vojak (former striker, 103 goals)

Bruno Pesaola (former great player and manager with 2 trophies lift)

Hasse Jeppson (former player, famous as one of most expensive transfer in 1950')

Luis Vinicio (great former player with 70 goals and former manager with one trophy lift)

Omar Sivori (three times Ballon d'Or)

Jarbas Faustino Cané (over 250 matches in the club)

Antonio Juliano (over 500 apparences in the club)

Giuseppe Savoldi (former great striker)

Ruud Krol (famous former defender)

Giuseppe Bruscolotti (over 500 apparences in the club)

Bruno Giordano (famous striker that won one scudetto)

Fernando De Napoli (famous midfielder that won two scudetto and one Uefa Cup)

Alemao (famous brazilian midfielder)

Claudio Garella (famous goalkeeper)

Arnaldo Sentimenti (famous goalkeeper)

 

Adding to this, "favourite personnel" are considered also:

Roberto Sosa

Paolo Cannavaro

Francesco Montervino

Emanuele Calaiò

 

just the last thing, the real Fierce Rivals is historically considered the Juventus. Other competitive rivals are Milan, Inter, Roma. 

many thanks!

Very interesting for the record part. Rivalry/favourite people are usually subjected to licence issues.

16 ore fa, vuje85 ha scritto:

@SoloTitano

Arthur Theate (
18105815) heights is 1,86 not 1,91 from transfermarkt.  thank you.

Will be done for winter update.

Andrea queste cose però puoi inserirle direttamente in ORDB una volta aperto, senza doverle segnalare qui. 

15 ore fa, alfonso8183 ha scritto:

Ciao

Giuseppe Santoro, SSC Napoli team manager (director role), is not present in the game.

thanks

Team manager is not a role included in the game. It's not a director (= person with a decisional/responsibility job in club board) role.  

4 ore fa, vuje85 ha scritto:

Antonio Santurro (43075231) have second nationality as Rep. Domenicana for the mother.

w from Udinese second nationality as Ghana not France.

come sopra

2 ore fa, alfonso8183 ha scritto:

Ciao

Here some people missing in the game. 

 

Marco Cassetti 
Manager role with UEFA Pro Licence, former assistant Albania assistant manager
https://www.transfermarkt.it/marco-cassetti/profil/trainer/58204

 

Massimo Ficcadenti
Manager role. Current manager in Japan (the reason he is missing in FM22?)
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massimo_Ficcadenti

 

Raffaele Di Fusco
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raffaele_Di_Fusco
Former Player & Goalkeeping Coach


Giuseppe Taglialatela
Former Player & Goalkeeping Coach, current Director in Ischia Calcio
https://ssdischiacalcio.it/societa/organigramma
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Taglialatela#cite_note-17


Moreno Ferrario
Former Player & current Youth Team Coach at Legnano
http://academy.aclegnano.it/giovanissimi-2006-b/

 

 

we'll look into, thanks. For Ficcadenti your assumption is correct.

1 ora fa, alfonso8183 ha scritto:

Ciao,

i'd like to spot that some italian manager/ coach have an incorrect / missing history  milestones

This value (trophies lift, placement, awards, football history) effectively change their role and importance in the game because if their history is not complete, probably they can miss job opportunities and the game will create (too much soon) regen instead using real person with appropriate skills. 

 

Here some examples but the list probably could be longer with a complete research

Fernando De Napoli

Pietro Vierchowod

Giuseppe Dossena

Roberto Rambaudi

Giuseppe Giannini

 

thanks

If you can provide what's really missing, it would be great

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Ciao @SoloTitano

thanks for the various replies. 

for the italian competitions / SSC Napoli record i hoped that could be updated for the next release.

On Giuseppe Santoro, i understand your consideration but  please consider that the same role in other teams are represented in the game (Andrea Romeo at AC Milan or Stefan Derkum at Lazio just as examples) so this cause discrepancies between reality/game

 

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Federico Chiesa is currently on loan in Juventus since last season (20/21). He has a 40Million loan option after 40 games played.

He has 21 games played.

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But, where are the 30 games he played for them last season? Shoudn't this games count? 
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Yeah, that needs a rework, on my save he picked up an injury and didn't play enough games, returned to Fiorentina afterwards.


As previously mentioned, Dybala doesn't extend with Juventus even though it's happening IRL and he can be bought for like 50m€.

Inter has the same issue with Lautaro, who officially extended his contract today, btw.

Barella is also about to extend, but you can't get him to extend in game, which is ridiculous considering he's the next captain and is childhood Inter fan.

 

As for the attributes, why is Gagliardini still a very good player? :lol:
Some of the stats he has are ridiculous, can easily be a starter on legit CL contender, while IRL he's barely an average mid-table Serie A midfielder.

 

And why is Cagliari listed as affiliate club for Inter? That's not even close to being realistic.

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Chiesa played 58 games, so why didn't there be a transfer? If you have to play 46 games in a season, isn't this too many? I think it would be more realistic for chiesa to have an easier complete transfer clause like FM21. Playing 46 games in a season is too much and Juventus AI will fail to transfer him in almost every save file. In reality, wouldn't Juventus trigger chiesa's complete transfer?

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Yep, to follow on with the above, as per transfermarkt, Chiesa's deal will become permanent when"

"Juventus: redemption obligation of 40 million from the 2021/2022 season, linked to the occurrence of one of these three conditions: placement in the top four of Juve, that Chiesa plays 60% of the games for a minimum of 30 minutes or plays at least 10 goals and 10 assists. Plus another 10 million in any bonuses."

 

As a5864003 mentioned above, playing 46 games in the season to complete the transfer is wrong (and unrealistic). 

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Chiesa's issue is known and already fixed for final release.

Laurato's renewal happened yesterday. DB is now closed, it will be clearly included in future releases. Posting data issues is always welcomed, but please respect data forum guidelines to not make this thread a news aggregator.

 

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