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Would also second the instant result request - it's by far the thing I use most in FM Touch / Classic - if they brought that to 'full fat' and maybe gave a pre-set for responsibilities that would make it more like FM Touch (the latter wouldn't take much work) - then I'd be fine with it 

But the instant result is huge to me

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Has anyone got an answer, as to whether or not the game will be touch enabled, through the game pass platform? 

The more time passes, I'm convincing myself to subscribe, but not if I need to buy a wireless controller, too 

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You have to think as well, the work has been done for this already hasn't it? If IR is naturally in Xbox edition and is fairly easily added by modders, it feels like it should be an obvious addition 

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2 hours ago, SaintPaul said:

Has anyone got an answer, as to whether or not the game will be touch enabled, through the game pass platform? 

The more time passes, I'm convincing myself to subscribe, but not if I need to buy a wireless controller, too 

@Neil Brock has said in one of the threads it will be touch enabled on tablets.

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9 hours ago, RTHerringbone said:

This is a really good point tbf. My kids absolutely do not play games the way I did. It's all just about a quick turnaround with them and they have no qualms whatsoever about getting a new game and immediately running it side-by-side with a walkthrough on YouTube :mad:

Ultimately the funnel of consumers needs to be topped up with new FM customers and I don't think Fat Mode is especially accessible, and I do think there is *something* between FM Mobile and Fat Mode. It is and was Touch, so I think we may well see it resurface at some point because there's definitely an emerging change in gaming that isn't catered for with the remaining FM options.

Yeah, I really don't know if I'd be able to get into FM today if just the full fat version were available. The learning curve is definitely steep for these kinds of games. I tried OOTP (the baseball equivalent of FM) and I put in maybe 10-15 hours and I still barely understood what I was doing.

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I've been a FMC/FMT user for years, use to get the PC n Android to cross save....was annoyed the Switch version didn't have that or was limited to 3 nations, no unlockables either, so I won't be getting the Switch version this year until I know for definitely certain features are either in or missing. As for this xpass version, it's annoying as I'll have to be constantlyconnected to be able to play....means instead of me buying 2 versions of FMT, I'll be subbing to Microsoft for its xpass this I'm sure SI/Sega get a minimal amount so £45-50 vs now only getting £10. 

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Very disappointed.

What about the multiplayer features on xbox edition? I regularly play FMTouch on multiplayer with some friends and we had planned to change to fm22Touch. Can we play on xbox edition as on the steam version? 
 

Full fat FM is impossible on multiplayer, honestly.

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4 hours ago, Waznei said:

Very disappointed.

What about the multiplayer features on xbox edition? I regularly play FMTouch on multiplayer with some friends and we had planned to change to fm22Touch. Can we play on xbox edition as on the steam version? 
 

Full fat FM is impossible on multiplayer, honestly.

I don't know if the xbox edition supports multiplayer myself, hopefully someone else can fill in this gap.

But with the main game I genuinely used to feel the same way, but I moved back across last year with my network game. It does well if you plan it out a bit more like say a Civilization game or others where there's some general pre-agreed rules about staff assignments, using the settings to ensure game days are the same (although this does compromise realism a bit) and bringing back the force continue feature. Didn't use it as much in Touch but its got its benefits in an FM network save.

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If it was so popular why isn’t it carrying on steam, IOS and android. Does anyone else think that This isn’t about lack of sales but more a contract of exclusivity with Microsoft. Which if so would make sense 

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I’ve bought on Mac, iPad, iPhone, and Switch for years now. Honestly, I mostly just play FMT on my iPad now. I used to be a huge FMM person, and still jump in a bit, but FMT is perfect on an iPad. I barely touch the Switch version just because it’s smaller and I can’t just flip between FM, web, YouTube, etc. The tablet is a perfect place for FMT. I might just go back to playing FMM mainly though. 
 

There might be value in trying to remote play FM from my laptop at home to my iPad, but then I’d need WiFi. And as I wait for my toddler to get out of school, that’s not an option. 
 

So, the only other option is Xbox… another subscription. I’m just surprised there are enough Switch FM users to jump from tablets to Switch only. 

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On 19/10/2021 at 09:48, Curtneedsaride said:

I’ve bought on Mac, iPad, iPhone, and Switch for years now. Honestly, I mostly just play FMT on my iPad now. I used to be a huge FMM person, and still jump in a bit, but FMT is perfect on an iPad. I barely touch the Switch version just because it’s smaller and I can’t just flip between FM, web, YouTube, etc. The tablet is a perfect place for FMT. I might just go back to playing FMM mainly though. 
 

There might be value in trying to remote play FM from my laptop at home to my iPad, but then I’d need WiFi. And as I wait for my toddler to get out of school, that’s not an option. 
 

So, the only other option is Xbox… another subscription. I’m just surprised there are enough Switch FM users to jump from tablets to Switch only. 

yea surprised on switch over android/ios myself too. Also surprised on xbox as well. Doesnt seem like a game you'd want to play with a control pad. 

While I own a Switch, I hate using it and the battery sucks, and for the most part its mainly targeted at a younger demographic, so a bit surprise that Switch sells more than the iOS/Android crowd.

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Only just aware of this. A major setback for SI.

I really hope on the back of this a new version gets released. Simply. "FM Classic". I think SI have missed the point on this one. The reason this game (or touch, as it was rebranded) was so loved was it took many of us, including myself, back to the days of what first created that simplistic magic, whilst also incorporating the many new brilliant features.

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Certainly creates a gap in the market for a tablet management game……

but I understand SI decision. If it’s not making money they can’t keep making it. For whatever reason, despite the fact it had some great versions, it wasn’t popular. I think the most recent version showed signs of neglect so I’m glad the developers didn’t suffer more barbs on the forum for something that wasn’t being invested in.

let’s see how the Xbox version works. Full fat is of zero interest to me so 🤞 it’s good.

maybe FMM will pick up the slack but I could never get into that as the ME is so basic 

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1 hour ago, FulchesterFred said:

Certainly creates a gap in the market for a tablet management game……

but I understand SI decision. If it’s not making money they can’t keep making it. For whatever reason, despite the fact it had some great versions, it wasn’t popular. I think the most recent version showed signs of neglect so I’m glad the developers didn’t suffer more barbs on the forum for something that wasn’t being invested in.

let’s see how the Xbox version works. Full fat is of zero interest to me so 🤞 it’s good.

maybe FMM will pick up the slack but I could never get into that as the ME is so basic 

LMA Manager would work brilliantly on tablets, but it's probably just wishful thinking 

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Only just seen this too. End of FM playing for me, I don’t have a pc just an iPad, and have so enjoyed FM Touch on there over the last few years. 
No intention of buying a laptop, or of paying £11 a month for this game pass thing - I don’t play video games, so effectively I’d now have to pay that on top of the purchase of the game for the privilege of playing it
awful decision, thanks a lot SI 

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As a follow up, a price increase never goes down well, but it’s a hell of a lot better than just withdrawing the product. I’d happily pay £40 instead of £20 for fm22 on iPad, the number of hours I play the game would still make it value for money 

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3 hours ago, Wanson said:

Surely the new M1 powered iPad pros are more than capable of playing the full version of FM. 

It’s not so much them being capable, you’ve got to remember market wise I doubt it’s huge in terms of how many people have them. Plus another factor is if they put FM full on iPad they’ll Have to cap the amount of seasons one can play due to Apple restrictions on app sizes 

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23 hours ago, Burty76 said:

Only just seen this too. End of FM playing for me, I don’t have a pc just an iPad, and have so enjoyed FM Touch on there over the last few years. 
No intention of buying a laptop, or of paying £11 a month for this game pass thing - I don’t play video games, so effectively I’d now have to pay that on top of the purchase of the game for the privilege of playing it
awful decision, thanks a lot SI 

I have to ask why you think their shutting down an unprofitable version is awful. I do everything on my iPad - work, rest, play etc and have no intention of bringing a laptop to bed to play FM whilst the missus sleeps but it’s selfish to say it’s a bad decision.  Not enough of us are downloading it, they’re not a charity, Sorry!

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On 17/10/2021 at 19:06, RTHerringbone said:

This is a really good point tbf. My kids absolutely do not play games the way I did. It's all just about a quick turnaround with them and they have no qualms whatsoever about getting a new game and immediately running it side-by-side with a walkthrough on YouTube :mad:

Ultimately the funnel of consumers needs to be topped up with new FM customers and I don't think Fat Mode is especially accessible, and I do think there is *something* between FM Mobile and Fat Mode. It is and was Touch, so I think we may well see it resurface at some point because there's definitely an emerging change in gaming that isn't catered for with the remaining FM options.

I remember a few years ago my students (15-18 age group) told me when they boot up FM it's just text, numbers and menus for them. It's like playing an Excel spreadsheet. Most lose interest before even getting to the actual matches. It's a generational thing.

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1 hour ago, FulchesterFred said:

I have to ask why you think their shutting down an unprofitable version is awful. I do everything on my iPad - work, rest, play etc and have no intention of bringing a laptop to bed to play FM whilst the missus sleeps but it’s selfish to say it’s a bad decision.  Not enough of us are downloading it, they’re not a charity, Sorry!

Loyalty to people who’ve bought the tablet game over the last few years?  SI must have been raking it in over lockdown, FM playing must have gone through the roof when people were stuck at home. That’s possibly just naivety though. 
 

as I said above, they could have said that the tablet version wasn’t making enough money so they were going to increase the price. I’d have paid double to keep playing, as would a lot of others. Its a bargain at £20. That solution is a hell of a lot better than just pulling the product entirely. If it was still unprofitable after the price increase then I’d have a lot more sympathy with them not producing a version for FM23

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Just found out that you need an active subscription for multiplayer in the Microsoft Store. So that means no multiplayer save for me.

Yeah, I get it: it s more profitable charging 9,99€/month for the subscription than 40€ for the game. But, come on. Mandatory paying for multiplayer? On PC? Seriously?

You have broken my heart, Sigames.

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@Marc Vaughanmust be feeling terrible now.. there was a thread on the future of FM Touch/Classic where I wrote: "I played the full FM version, even FM21 as I just got a new laptop. But I kept being frustrated by the sluginess (so many continue clicks before something really interesting (match, important inbox message etc) happens, even with the less interruptions checked in preferences) and mostly overwhelmed by information overload and the white noise much not needed information created. Needing to do 4 or 5 clicks just to be able to assemble a full picture of a player abilities, character, contract status etc. was getting too much.

So, I tried FM Touch aka Classic. I tried it a few years ago but found it too dumbed down (no mentoring, not enough "steering" of player performances/development etc). Last month I tried it again. With Airbus UK (I work in aviation industry so there goes). And finding back that sparkle of fun I had when playing CM01/02. The smoothness, not being bogged down by (pointless?) interactions and news items. I still miss some things, like praising/berating players on their training performance, having team meetings or warning players you're going to strip them of their captaincy. You know, small little things that interact with their motivation and play level. Having these possibilities and add importing transfer updates/corrections ('cause let's face it, it's near impossible to have a correct transfer update anyway and for 1 player UK leagues are of paramount importance, for another player it might be Belgian or some other obscure league :D ) would make the game perfect for this individual user :) In its current state it is however already a much more relaxing and enjoyable experience than the full FM version for me."

There also some comments made here that don't sit well with me:

- While the PC FM21 Touch/Classic uses the same default DB as full-fat FM21, no data updates are possible. You have an editor that can read this DB and surely would be able to write to it if seperate editor files isn't an option. Or does the statement "The most realistic football management game" only count for full-fat FM?

- Giving FM Touch/Classic for free for years while buying full-fat FM and initially making big announcements about it, but making the box mentioning it smaller each year upto no announcement (past year or well hidden) to announce it now AFTER pre-orders opens, is just bad form. Especially given the period we've all been through. People should be allowed to cancel their purchase if they expected to have Touch/Classic included. (fyi i did not pre-order)

- Being ignorant about what people are trying to say when it comes to the speed/fluidness of the game. Sure delegating responsibilities helps to speed up the full game a bit, but there are still way to many pauses during processing (and I hate seeing all that non-sensical social media stuff, it doesn't help with immersion but that's personal) and using auto continue leads to missing important decisions/information sometimes. When I played FM Touch i didn't use instant result and had like 8 countries/10 leagues loaded and it was still faster than having only the English leagues on full fat using instant result!

Edit: I could go on, but I need to attend my kids now and walk the dog. .

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