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Chelsea took one of ours so...... Barca. Jan 2025.

Chelsea paid us £150M + for Fati so at the very moment I wondered about going to have a look at who might be available at Chelsea, my DoF put in a bid to sign Ziyech on a free at the end of the season. He's not a like for like swap because Fati was a "righty" and Ziyech is a "lefty", but it seemed like a great deal so I agreed to pay £17M to get the transfer done immediately. We're not exactly short of money. 

£857,000 per month is a lot of money, but our finances are in such good shape that it would seem silly not to. 

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We had £7M per month surplus wage budget available before we sold Fati, and now after selling Fati and signing Ziyech we now have £12.6M available per month

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2 hours ago, Djecker said:

Hmm I guess because its a short term save it doesn't really matter but Fati was 22 and Ziyech is 31.

It's not just about their ages. Fati had 18 months left on his contract and wasn't interested in signing a new one. He was leaving in 18 months no matter what. 

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34 minutes ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

It's not just about their ages. Fati had 18 months left on his contract and wasn't interested in signing a new one. He was leaving in 18 months no matter what. 

I have no problems with the sale of Fati if not signing a new contract (good transfer I think), but I do with the purchase of Ziyech for £17M. I think I’m basing this on his age. It’s definitely my bias on transfer fees and spending on players above the age of thirty unless top class and will make an impact. I’m looking at a player like Thiago instead of Ronaldo (prefer to spend the wage/transfer fee money on a younger player.

Will be interesting to see how he plays though.

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Barca. Jan 2025

La Liga. Another unbeaten month in the league, but we dropped points against Valencia, (who are now a very decent team), and somehow conceded 3 goals at Granada, (but still won). 

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Copa del Rey. 2 wins in the Cup and 0 goals conceded, but it was very tight for a rotated squad against 2nd tier Las Palmas when I thought we might be heading to penalties. 

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Spanish Super Cup. We've had the sign over R.Madrid for the most part in this save and given them some pretty hefty beatings. They deserved to win this game as their finishing was simply better than ours, (which is not something I often have to say with Moukoko in the side). He had an off day though, (just the 1 goal), and R.Madrid progressed to the Final.

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Moukoko. To highlight our development as a squad, Moukoko didn't feature in any of our La Liga games this month, (and possibly explains the 0-0 at home to Valencia).

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He also didn't finish in the Copa del Rey

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He did play in the Spanish Super Cup, (and scored), but was below-par for him. 

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His form for Cameroon over this period hasn't been great. 

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Finances. We have e6965feed05f93e238fb71da41576284.png in the bank and our debt is now 5f62cba311fdc084fe865cea2e62fa81.png meaning that our net position is £357M in credit

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8 hours ago, Sonic Youth said:

I have no problems with the sale of Fati if not signing a new contract (good transfer I think), but I do with the purchase of Ziyech for £17M. I think I’m basing this on his age. It’s definitely my bias on transfer fees and spending on players above the age of thirty unless top class and will make an impact. I’m looking at a player like Thiago instead of Ronaldo (prefer to spend the wage/transfer fee money on a younger player.

Will be interesting to see how he plays though.

I don't look at transfer fees when judging the cost of a player. I look at Transfer fee + Salary over term of contract + bonus payments - selling value at end of contract and then use that figure, (and the wealth of the club), to judge where the player is worth the outlay.

In this case Ziyech was signed on a free £0, but then I paid £17M to sign him immediately, add in that we're paying him £857,000 per month for 2.5 years, (£25.7M), and is due bonus payments of approx £5M gives us £0 + £17M + £25.7M + £5M = £47.7M. He's 31 years old now and at the end of his contract he will be 34 and we are unlikely to be able to sell him for very much based on what his wages have been. £47.7M for 2.5 years of a player seems like a lot, (and it is a lot in any save never mind about a save where the focus is on cutting costs and reducing debt), but when your net financial position is £357M in credit, (after this deal goes through), I think we can safely say that we have some cash to spend. 

The question then is, how much do we need the player and the answer to this is that we didn't actually need a replacement for Fati at all, (and Ziyech isn't that). He prefers to play on the right and Fati played mostly on the left, and although we have cover on the right, we are particularly short in the DLP area. I have been looking for someone to come in and fill the void left by Pjanic, and it's this role that Ziyech will be filling, (albeit belatedly). 

When I show you who we have playing in central midfield you will see the problem, but I also didn't want to sign a specialist central midfielder because we have some good youngsters coming through and I don't want to block their pathway. I wanted to sign someone versatile who could come in and make a difference across the midfield line. 

Pedri could play centrally before, but now with Fati's exit he will be 1st choice on the left flank so won't be able to contribute in the middle. 
Araújo 6'3" played in midfield during our 1st season, but he's very much a centre-half nowadays. 
Gavi is 1st choice DLP. 
Phillips is 1st choice B2B. 
Nico covers both central positions. 
After that we're into teenagers and 16 year old Lukman Emeka * has already made 3(7) appearances this season.
 

After I signed Ziyech an opportunity came about to bring in another World-class midfielder, (very different to Ziyech), and I jumped at the chance.  I will announce his arrival with a Jan Transfer update in a moment. 

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Jan Transfer WIndow

I knew I wanted a 2nd choice DLP to come in and fill the gap left by Pjanic, but I also didn't want to break the bank and also still wanted to retain Gavi as 1st choice in that role. 
I was also in the market for a 1st choice GK, because current Academy product Arnau Tenas while decent, (17 clean sheets in 24 appearances this season), is not at the required level to help us win trophies. 
I also wanted a proper top-end centre-half, or if that wasn't available then someone not quite top-end, but also young. 

That doesn't mean that I wasn't open to signing players in other positions, but they would have to be not just of sufficient quality, but also in the price range. 

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Ziyech was the 1st player to arrive in January and although £17M is a lot for an ageing player, he will improve us immediately, (he's better than Gavi is now), but he will also be brilliant to have on the bench because he can provide cover in so many positions. 

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Papetti 6'2" was meant to be a top-end defender or at least a younger defender with the potential to develop into a top-end defender but unfortunately he is neither and has added little more than some squad depth. A very under-whelming signing if I'm honest with you. 

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N'Golo Kanté is another that the DoF signed, (on a free), but I liked the deal so much that I paid £5.75M to do the deal early in January and he will rotate as the B2B with Phillips, (although I might have to tweak his role). He's obviously lost some pace, (or the researcher needs shooting), but he is still a hell of a signing for us. 

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Vincent Cortes *** is a player I have been tracking for a while and targeted as a priority, (hence the ***), and £37M will prove to be a bargain. He is already a Wonderkid and will be a direct replacement for Fati, (even though I said we didn't need one). 

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Looks like your DoF is pretty decent at find you reasonable deals on players that fill a position.

With Papetti, was it a scout recommendation that you signed him from? 

The rest look pretty good signings.

Kanye reminds me of one time signing Marc-Vivien Foé and playing him as a DMC at a similar age. Played for years and was a rock everything was supported by.

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6 hours ago, Sonic Youth said:

Looks like your DoF is pretty decent at find you reasonable deals on players that fill a position.

With Papetti, was it a scout recommendation that you signed him from? 

The rest look pretty good signings.

Kante reminds me of one time signing Marc-Vivien Foé and playing him as a DMC at a similar age. Played for years and was a rock everything was supported by.

MVF was indeed impressive and was such a tragic loss. 

Yeah, the DoF is doing vey well and it sort of dove-tails really well for my preference for finding younger players. 

I was determined to sign a centre-half because we only had 4 at the club, and with games coming thick and fast I like to rotate 2 pairs of centre-backs and you can't do that with 4 centre-backs if even just 1 of them get injured. 

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The García 6'0" and Araújo 6'3" contracts both expire at the end of next season and they both want more money than I'm prepared to pay. If I'm going to pay £1M per month on wages for a centre-half then I want them to be better than what we already have. With that in mind I'm probably looking to sell both of them at the end of this season, (before I resign). That of course means that I need to being in at least 2 more centre-backs between now and then. 

It's interesting that although they sit top of the CA rankings in this position they are the only 2 of the 5 players averaging under 7.00 for the season. 

Papetti 6'2" was almost a panic signing when I had tried and failed to sign my 1st 10 centre-half targets. :(

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6 hours ago, Sonic Youth said:

Also, was Fati the largest sale in this save?

It was the largest if you count it as £150M, but not if you count it as £130M rising to £150M.

£146M. Dejan Kulusevski. FC Bayern to PSG
£130M (£150m). Fati. Barcelona to Chelsea
£117M. Raheem Sterling. Man City to R.Madrid. 
£114M. Achraf Hakimi. PSG to Chelsea. 
£105M. Jadon Sancho. Man Utd to R.Madrid. 
£104M. Kai Havertz. Chelsea to PSG. 
£97M (£120M). Joao Felix. A.Madrid to Liverpool.
£80M (£100M). FdJ. Barcelona to Liverpool

We're the only club to have sold 2 players for £100M and over. 

PSG, Chelsea, Liverpool and R.Madrid have each signed 2 players on the above list. 

 

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On 17/09/2021 at 15:46, Jimbokav1971 said:

I mentioned a while ago in the FCCU GD thread, that it might be interesting, (for the 1st time ever), for the likes of some of us, (who like ridiculous challenges), to manage Barca in FM22 because of their £1.2B debt, (I keep trying to say £1.2 Million because Billion is simply not a word that I use very often, but the truth is that Barca's debt is at least £1.2 Billion), and the restrictions that would normally be applied to transfers and wage budgets in these sort of circumstances at normal clubs, don't really apply to Barca, so it's interesting to try and replicate that within FM. 

There is a YouTuber called @lollujo, (now don't switch off quite yet), who has come together with a few others and created a database that has a starting date of 31st May 2021, (the end of the 20/21 season), and my understanding is that all results have been replicated for last season to mirror real life, (although it's possible that that's not true and it's only league positions that have been replicated). To be honest, I haven't checked and don't really care. 

The database can be found here. :applause:

https://www.mediafire.com/file/zfjma8j7rvieu1n/Barcelona_Save_File.fm/file

@lollujohas created a vlog that has inspired me to have a go myself, and even if you are not into vlog's, maybe you will look at my shambolic attempts at managing Barca and be inspired to show me how it's done. (If so, feel free to @ me either on twitter or in here). 

The basic premise is that in order for the debt to work properly in the game, (If you just give them £1.2B worth of debt in the editor then the game just fixes it and it's not a challenge), is to find a way to keep the debt in the game so that you the manager are accountable for it. Those who created the database have decided that the best way to do this was to create bank loans, all repayable by the end of 4 seasons from now. :eek:

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I'm not positive, but I think the Transfer Debt of £30M shown above equates to deals we have already done for players already purchased, but the payments of which are yet to be made. 

We are in debt to the tune of £1,195,573,345 (or £1.2B for short), and unsurprisingly we also don't have any cash in the bank. We're £56M overdrawn at the bank. 

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The problem isn't the bank balance at all though. £56M is nothing to a club like Barca and we could just sell 1 player to clear it. The problem is that we will be making loan repayments amounting to £25.5M every month:eek:

Let that sink in for a second. A club like Barca could cope with £25M per season or even a few times each season, but £25M every single month going out in loan repayments over and above what the club spends on wages....... :idiot:

Now we get to the real nitty gritty. Wages. :stop:

Barca are spending £13.8M per month on wages, (that's mind-blowing), and the problem is that their budget is only £11.5M per month). :lol: 

Now maybe it makes sense why Messi had to go. The only real question is why he wasn't sold a year or so ago, (or before), for £100M+. They didn't even win the league last season, (in real life), and still paid out all this money. It's absolute madness. 

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Can you think of a club less suited to being managed by me? (PSG maybe?)

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I've gotta have a go at this 

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Barca. Feb 2025 (and 1st game of March)

La Liga. It's been a really poor month for Moukoko in the league who only scored 1 goal, (in the opener), but to be fair he didn't play at all against Alaves & Cadiz so maybe it's not quite as poor as it appears. The fact that we won 3-0 and 4-0 without him suggests that I picked the correct games to rotate him. 

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Champions League. We led 2-0 at HT and I'm frustrated to concede a late leveller. We should have been able to hold on. Even away. 

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Copa del Rey. Don't panic. The Semi's are 2 legged affairs so although we still have some work to do, there is an opportunity to overhaul the 1 goal deficit. 

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Finances. We have 68402d95576de35136272720dee0a1de.png in the bank and our debt now stands at c6cc19be717622529be01f132790364a.png, so we have a net position of £335M in credit.

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20 minutes ago, kentonizking said:

I've gotta have a go at this 

It's a completely different to the usual save that I would play, but I have absolutely loved it. Good luck if you do have a go and feel free to link to your thread in here of you do. :thup:

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Barca. Mar 2025

La Liga. 4 more wins in the league, but we've been a little sloppy at the back this month as we prioritised Cup competitions. Moukoko only played 2 La Liga games this month and scored a hat-trick in each of them. I keep waiting for him to score 4, 5, or even 6 in a match, but it just hasn't happened. We're 16 points ahead with just 8 games to play and we're surely going to smash the 108 goals scored last season. 

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Champions League. We drew 2-2 in the away leg last month so there was work to do, but in the end we did it with a little to spare and are into the Quarter-Finals. 

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Arsenal please! :lol:

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Actually Dortmund no longer have Haaland so this isn't a disaster, but they do have Bellingham, Tammy Abraham and a very decent looking Oliver Skipp. It's a decent draw though considering the alternatives though. 

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If we get past Dortmund we meet either PSG or Utd

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Copa del Rey. We trailed them 2-1 from the 1st leg, but we strolled it to be honest, with a 3rd Moukoko hat-trick in 4 games this month the difference.

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Moukoko. We're more able to cope without him now, so when he doesn't start I don't even have him on the bench where possible. This should help with his fatigue moving forward, (as will taking him off before 59 mins). He's scored 39 goals in 32 appearances this season, (so far), with 8 league games, the Copa del Rey Final and at least 2 Champions League games still to come. 

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Records

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Finances. We have c16754e99205d6df3dd16ac49b93aa50.png in the bank and our debt is now down to 0ed6afb0a86f8d4f5c2685781504bc27.png leaving us with a net position of £367M in credit

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Youth Intake Day. Barca. Mar 2025.

I was really hopeful after the 1st 3 intakes, but this appears to be be significantly below that level, (although you never really can tell on Day 1 of an intake). 

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Related to my post about the last intake, here are the min fee release clauses 

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This is what I have from the previous intakes.. 

£60M Mendy. 5.0 PA generational talent from 2021/22 intake. 
£53M Lukman Emeka 3rd ranked player from 2023/24 intake
£25.5M Adrián Bilbao 1st ranked player from 2023/24 intake
£24M Joel Castro 2nd ranked player from 2023/24 intake
£20M Iñaki Alkorta * 4.5 PA player from 2021/22 intake. 
£17.75M Xavi 4.5 PA player from 2022/23 intake.
£16.25M Josep 4th ranked player from 2023/24 intake.
£15.25M José Ramón Girau 1st ranked player from 2024/25
£14.5 Bruno Arumí 7th ranked player from 2023/24 intake.
£13.75M Adrià Torra 5th ranked player from 2023/24 intake.  
£13.25M Guillem Ballesté 6th ranked player from 2024/25 intake. 
£11.25M Edu Venzal * 4.0 PA player from 2021/22 intake. 
£11.25M Joshua Tienda. 5.0 PA player from 2022/23 intake.
£11.25M José Ramón 4.0 PA player from 2022/23 intake. 
£11.25M Nicolás Díaz 4.0 player from 2022/23 intake. 
£11.25M Joël Bong 2nd ranked player from 2024/25 intake. 
£11.25M Carles 4th ranked player from 2024/25 intake.

£11M Cristian Vinyals 6th ranked player from 2023/24 intake
£11M José Luis Medrano 4.0 player from 2022/23 intake. 

So while it's certainly not a great intake, (and there absolutely seems to be no really top end PA star), there do at least appear to be some decent potential in there. (Remember though, I'm just guessing on this. I don't know for a fact that this works as a tool for identifying the potential of Spanish youngtsers on intake day). 

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Definitely intriguing regarding min release clauses.

Surprised by the flair and vision on Girau. Even Bong has vision and middling flair. Is the rest of the intake like that?

I’ve been wondering how certain skills can be brought through and whether different personalities affect this (eg flair and vision like above or maxed out?). Or is it the way the squad looks…?

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1 hour ago, Sonic Youth said:

Definitely intriguing regarding min release clauses.

Surprised by the flair and vision on Girau. Even Bong has vision and middling flair. Is the rest of the intake like that?

I’ve been wondering how certain skills can be brought through and whether different personalities affect this (eg flair and vision like above or maxed out?). Or is it the way the squad looks…?

Fair and vision isn't something I look at initially if I'm honest. Determination and Workrate are on there, but that's based on my usual type of saves and maybe flair/vision is something that I would look at if I was doing a long-term save here. 

Let me have a look at the squad now, (including only the 1st Team and excluding GK's), this is what we've got. 

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I freely admit that I'm a sucker for a high Determination/Workrate player, (because I think they are "op" as attributes), but I also have a growing fondness for the Balance attribute, (in attacking players). Obviously at this level, small things matter and Decisions ceased to be something we need and probably is a prerequisite for all players. 

On that note there is not a single player in the whole 1st Team squad with their Decisions attribute in single figures, and interestingly, (at least to me), the lowest score is Ziyech with 10. After that we have Luzzi with 11, (6th choice young striker and never going to make it at top level), Zeefuik with 12, (1st choice right back but we need an upgrade), Papetti 6'2" also with 12, (panic purchase at centre-half) and then everyone is min 13. 

Had we had this conversation prior to me buying Ziyech, I don't think I would have signed him. Not because it's important to wide players so much, but because it is absolutely vital to players playing in the DLP role, and it's probably that which has led to me not being overly keen on some of his performances there this season. 

Ranking the players by visions gets me this. 

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Pedri is 1st choice IWL and at times has doubled as DLP.
Nico is utility central midfielder who can cover both roles. 
Nunez is 1st choice DLF.
Vinicius swaps between DLP and DLF, (but I think he will make a better DLP). 
Gavi is 1st choice DLP.
Ziyech is actually 2nd choice IWR.
Kalvin Phillips is 1st choice BBM, (ahead of Kante who's Decision attribute is 15 and he just misses being on the list). 

I think you expect players at this level all to be of a certain standard so wouldn't expect many low scores in this area at a club at this level. In terms of developing them, I've never really managed a club like Barca before so I don't really feel informed enough to give you an opinion. 

If we just look at the U19 squad, (and again filter by CA), then this is whet we get. 

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Vision for example doesn't look nearly so impressive now. 

Girau has both Flair 9 and Vision 9 but this is everyone in the U19's with at least 9 vision. 

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I don't recognise the name Adria Torra at all, but he has some mighty impressive mentals there, (with the exception of Bravery & Positioning), so let's have a look at him. 

He's a DLP who actually looks pretty damn good. He is showing as having 4.5PA and has a min fee release clause of £13.75M so that suggests he's decent. He actually came through last seasons intake ranked 5th by PA, (the top 3 players were all 5.0 PA), but he only originally showed as 4.0 PA. I really like the look of him for a 16 year old. :thup:

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In terms of what drives production of mental ratings via youth intake, (that are not part personality templates), I don't really think there is anything. The only think that is possibly an option is "player style", (Creative, Intelligent, Leader, Physical, Technical etc), but of course although players have these styles, staff don't, or at least if they do they are hidden. I used to track this sort of stuff and particularly likes to promote "Physical" players to staff roles upon retirement for this very reason, but I saw absolutely nothing to suggest that this was working and I was getting a benefit from it. 

What I would say is that when you get your intake through you get this message, (or something similar). There are 2 different sections here. 

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1st of all we have "Mental coaching style", but what is that exactly? I personally think that "Mental" is his highest attribute, (of the 6 listed), so some players, (in this case Eric Serra), will have received a boost to some of his mental attributes as a result of the influence of the HoYD. I think another HoYD might have different scores in different areas and might have benefitted the defensive attributes of certain players for example if is highest Coaching attribute was Defending. 

2nd we have "Influence and experience", but again, what is that? It's even less clear with regards to "Influence and experience". I think it's fair to say that it won't be the "Coaching" attributes at play here, so that really only leaves us "Mental" attributes. I'm not sure exactly how Adaptability, Determination, Discipline, Man Management & Motivating can be transferred into player attributes, but let's have a look at Jonas Cuenca and Albert Casas and see what they look like. 

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Eric Serra is a GK who at 1st glance appears to have poor mentals, but when you look further then with the exception of concentration, GK mentals actually look decent, 

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Jonas Cuenca is a winger and I'm not sure I can see anything there worth commenting on. 

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Albert Casas is a pretty rubbish player, but if you just isolate the mentals that you would want to focus on for a centre-half, then Aggression 17 Bravery 19, Concentration 9, Determination 12, Positioning 13. They are amongst his highest attributes across the board. 

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Barca. Apr 2025

La Liga. 3 good wins and then a brilliant draw against R.Madrid with a rotated team ahead of the PSG game is enough to see us Champions with a month of the season still to play. 

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Champions League. Not 1 but 2 hat-tricks from Moukoko was enough to see us past Dortmund. The 1st leg against PSG in the Semi was a tight affair, but 37 yo Messi conspired with Zaniolo to score 3 goals against us and give them the edge in what was a close game. 

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Copa del Rey. Another hat-trick from Moukoko saw us dominate the Final.

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Moukoko. I think I've worked out that the way to get the best out of him is rest him when I can and then just fill his boots when I do play him. He had 4 games that I needed him to perform in this month. The 2 Champions League games against Dortmund, the Copa del Rey Final against Real Sociedad and the Champions League game against PSG. He also started the game against Sevilla but it wasn't a key game and as weird as this sounds, he seemed to know. :lol: He's scored 49 goals in 37(2) appearances this season, including 8 hat-tricks, (6 of them in the last 2 months). 

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Records

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Finances. We have b7f9280ef1f15ca94d23951984d30d8a.png in the bank and our debt is down to 3275fec24b527cb73c568c72bca70540.png meaning that our net position is £377M in credit.

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Wages. Barca. May 2025.

This is the squad ranked by wage. Obviously Ziyech and Kante are at the top and on a decent sized wage, (£857k and £802k), but after that the next highest wage at the club is £364k. I personally think that's really impressive and I've had to work quite hard to keep it limited to that. 

If you look down the expiry date column, Araújo 6'3" and García 6'0" expire at the end of next season and despite how significant they have been to us over the past 4 seasons, I plan on selling them before I leave rather than offering them a new contract, (their demands are excessive), and it would seem smarter to sell them and invest the money in new players rather than sign them to longer contracts. They are both being chased by a few clubs so should go smoothly. 

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Of course it would be easier to just pay players more money, but I thought limiting the wages would fit in with the overall ethos of the save. 

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Wages to Turnover ratio in La Liga. Barca. May 2025

In real life wages were at 110% of turnover last season I think. To have got it down to 9% is pretty damn impressive even if I do say so myself. :applause:

Yeah I know our Turnover is huge so the whole thing is skewed, but it's still impressive. 

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Barca. May 2025

La Liga. We were so so close to the magic 100 point mark. 

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Champions League. We battered them in every sense, but they still came out on top again. We kicked them off the pitch this time, injuring Zaniolo, (who scored 2 goals in the 1st leg), as early as the 2nd minute, and Messi later in the match. This time Leon Bailey was our tormentor in chief! 

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Records

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Awards.

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Finances. We have 9c88108abb6d842fd80b32ffd6f2c712.png in the bank and our debt is now at just d9b30ff32c47945b66c064b52987af29.png so our net position is £414M in credit

We still have a couple of months to go so I have some time to boost the finances a little more and possibly also spend some money too. 

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5 hours ago, DigorengDadakan said:

I know it's a little bit late, but...

Wow! All of them are from Dortmund.

It's never too late, (especially for a smart comment on something that everyone else has missed). :thup:

I think it's just a brief snapshot showing how Dortmund might be 1 team capable of closing the gap, (long-term), to Bayern

I think this will be Bayern's 10th consecutive title, (if they win), and the days of the 00's, (where they were beaten to the title as often as they won it are long gone, but I would love to fast-forward a couple of years to see how they cope without the likes of Neuer (35), Lewandowski (33) & Muller (32), who are obviously big players for the club. The problem is that the rest of teh squad has years still to go, but the 3 of them will be hard to replace. I would love Dortmund to beat them to the title, but they have already lost twice this season, (Monchengladbach and Freiburg), but even when they are winning they are shipping goals and winning narrowly. 

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European club rankings. Barca. Jun 2025

I think we started in 2nd and had some tough recent previous seasons to love up to. 

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On the plus side it appears as if we're going to jump back above R.Madrid next season, (unless they go and win the Champions League this season). 

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12 hours ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

It's never too late, (especially for a smart comment on something that everyone else has missed). :thup:

I think it's just a brief snapshot showing how Dortmund might be 1 team capable of closing the gap, (long-term), to Bayern

I think this will be Bayern's 10th consecutive title, (if they win), and the days of the 00's, (where they were beaten to the title as often as they won it are long gone, but I would love to fast-forward a couple of years to see how they cope without the likes of Neuer (35), Lewandowski (33) & Muller (32), who are obviously big players for the club. The problem is that the rest of teh squad has years still to go, but the 3 of them will be hard to replace. I would love Dortmund to beat them to the title, but they have already lost twice this season, (Monchengladbach and Freiburg), but even when they are winning they are shipping goals and winning narrowly. 

Dortmund absolutely dominating Bayern in my Germany save.

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14 hours ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

It's never too late, (especially for a smart comment on something that everyone else has missed). :thup:

I think it's just a brief snapshot showing how Dortmund might be 1 team capable of closing the gap, (long-term), to Bayern

I think this will be Bayern's 10th consecutive title, (if they win), and the days of the 00's, (where they were beaten to the title as often as they won it are long gone, but I would love to fast-forward a couple of years to see how they cope without the likes of Neuer (35), Lewandowski (33) & Muller (32), who are obviously big players for the club. The problem is that the rest of teh squad has years still to go, but the 3 of them will be hard to replace. I would love Dortmund to beat them to the title, but they have already lost twice this season, (Monchengladbach and Freiburg), but even when they are winning they are shipping goals and winning narrowly. 

The problem with Bayern (and the reason I am not fond of them at all) is that they just buy the best players off the closest challengers, so even if Dortmund sorts out their defense and closes the gap, the core of the team will be dismantled soon enough.

I always think back to Leverkusen in the early 2000s (Ballack, Ze Roberto, Lucio) and the Dortmund team that reached the CL final with Klopp (Lewandowski, Hummels, Gotze) as classic examples. I think even this season they bought a couple of RB Leipzig players and they are not even close challengers.

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5 hours ago, corinthiano said:

The problem with Bayern (and the reason I am not fond of them at all) is that they just buy the best players off the closest challengers, so even if Dortmund sorts out their defense and closes the gap, the core of the team will be dismantled soon enough.

I always think back to Leverkusen in the early 2000s (Ballack, Ze Roberto, Lucio) and the Dortmund team that reached the CL final with Klopp (Lewandowski, Hummels, Gotze) as classic examples. I think even this season they bought a couple of RB Leipzig players and they are not even close challengers.

It goes deeper than that, as not many clubs buy players off Bayern Munich whereas the rest of the league are picked off and weaker as a result. RB Leipzig is an example, as Liverpool also bought Konate from them too.

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On 22/09/2021 at 00:45, Jimbokav1971 said:

We have £25M in the transfer kitty and I think it makes sense to sign him.

@karanhsinghyou have just been promoted to Chief Scout :lol:

Sorry for the very late response but I will gladly accept! :lol: Although I have see that you have since gone and completed the challenge.

Just caught up and it was a very fun read.

Btw as I am sure you have figured out by now, both Demir & Moukouku are rated as elite wonderkids IRL. 

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12 hours ago, Bigshow1 said:

Yet again another amazing thread Jimbo. Could you post a screenshot of your usual tactic with those IW’s? Never used them myself 

It's hard not to use them at a club like Barca because not only the players already at the club, but also the players that have come through the Academy in my 4 years have been just so suited to playing inverted when wide. If ever a save was going to convert me on "inverted" wide players, this was it. I have dabbled before with individual players and individual roles and even inverted on 1 flank, but I haver never played "double inverted" before, and if you had asked me before-hand I would have said that there would be conflict with forward positions, especially on the right hand side where the DLF(s) and IW(s) would look to attack similar positions. It would seem I was wrong. 

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I should add that some players have been allowed to play with different roles within this tactic. 

Núñez *** for example has been playing as a PF(s) rather than a DLF(s) in the right hand striker slot. It's a no-brainer when you see him. While I haven't been overly keen of PF's previously, I know that others have used them to great effect and 20 goals and 22 assists from 44(2) appearances suggests that it worked for me too. 

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2 hours ago, karanhsingh said:

Sorry for the very late response but I will gladly accept! :lol: Although I have see that you have since gone and completed the challenge.

Just caught up and it was a very fun read.

Btw as I am sure you have figured out by now, both Demir & Moukouku are rated as elite wonderkids IRL. 

Yeah, I think I have ruined Demir a little in this save. I will remember his name though. Moukoko. Wow! :eek::applause:

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The season isn't over yet so I am attempting to rebuild the squad and build the bank balance. 

When the season ticks over I will be calling it a day right there and then and will post a final update. 

Club World Champs. Barca. Jul 2025

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I was really pleasantly surprised to win this because not only are PSG our bogey side, but the English teams are really strong. We were behind for a long time against PSG, but came good in the end and of course that man Moukoko scored another hat-trick in another Final. 

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Records.

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Awards.

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Final Update. Barca. Jul 2025

Finances. We have c6efb2c394b2dafb9c8463028ffa132b.png in the bank and our debt is down to ed2d1b11d46192869b905b536c7b00ee.png so we have a net position of almost £600M in credit

We have a transfer budget of almost £300M and a surplus wage budget of £7.1M per month.

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Transfers. Spending £237M seems like absolutely loads, but bringing in £465M in transfers is ridiculous.

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We've rejected a bid of £137M for Pedri. We've cashed in on Fati so I didn't also want to sell Pedri

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We've accepted sizeable bids for Núñez *** and he's about to make his choice. 

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Squad by appearances. 61 appearances is loads, but it's not too bad for a GK. Moukoko and Núñez *** on the other hand have both played 46(2) appearances this season which is probably over the upper limit if I'm honest. 

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Squad by CA. Once we get past the top 4 players we're down to 3.0 CA which is a perfect illustration of how much potential we still have to release. 

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Squad by PA. I know this was save was meant to be about the finances rather than Youth Development, but 13x 5.0 PA players and 4x 4.5 PA players suggests that old habits die hard for me. :lol:

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History. 9 trophies in 4 seasons is decent, but there is no Champions League there. :(

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2022/23. European Super Cup. 
2023/24. La Liga, Copa del Rey. 
2024/25. La Liga, Copa del Rey, Spanish Super-Cup. 
2025/26. La Liga, Copa del Rey, Club World Champs. 

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It may be a surprise that I have bought 29 players for £473M during the 4 years of this save, but we've only been able to do that because I have sold 68 players for £855M

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Moukoko

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10 hours ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

we have a net position of almost £600M in credit.

:applause: Save goals achieved, and in style. Shame about the Champion's League, but a bit more experience for those youngsters makes a win almost a certainty in a year or two.

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Still have 43M in debt? :eek: :D

Imagine, sell Pedri, Moukoko and you’ve almost made 3/4 billion pounds in transfers in one season :stop:

Been fun reading along, and gives a perspective of the situation. If they start getting fans back full stadium with reducing wages, and get a better manger, Barcelona should be able to reduce the debt significantly.

The funny transfer rumour I heard recently was Barcelona going for Origi :lol:

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5 hours ago, warlock said:

:applause: Save goals achieved, and in style. Shame about the Champion's League, but a bit more experience for those youngsters makes a win almost a certainty in a year or two.

Yeah, the goal was to remain competitive while removing the debt and we have definitely done that. We were just a little short in the Champions League, (and losing to PSG in the Europa League Final in the 1st season still smarts). 

I think this was largely down to my management style and my preference for young players who will develop rather than signing players at their peak. We definitely missed out on a 4th La Liga title in the 1st season because I sold the 1st choice full-backs so that I could cash in on them and play high PA youngsters. It worked great in the long-term but there was absolutely a cost in the 2nd half of that 1st season. After that though we win a league and Cup double each season + some smaller trophies, so I can't really complain. 

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3 hours ago, Sonic Youth said:

Still have 43M in debt? :eek: :D

Imagine, sell Pedri, Moukoko and you’ve almost made 3/4 billion pounds in transfers in one season :stop:

Been fun reading along, and gives a perspective of the situation. If they start getting fans back full stadium with reducing wages, and get a better manger, Barcelona should be able to reduce the debt significantly.

The funny transfer rumour I heard recently was Barcelona going for Origi :lol:

Yeah, I'm a little confused why there is still a debt outstanding. Maybe it will all be paid off tomorrow, (which will never come). 

I think this proves just what a shambles the club have been to get into this stage in the 1st place and not resolve it. 

When you think about it, selling Messi for £100M 2 seasons ago, not doing the Pjanic deal, Not paying Trincao so much, not paying the likes of Coutinho that much. There decisions were simply not made in the best interests of the club. 

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