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I think penalties are drama for whoever takes it. You might be 19, or 35, doesn't make any difference. It's 80% about mentality and cold-blood, 20% technique.

I myself always suffered penalties when I used to play football in my youth ages. Unfortunately my coach always pointed at me on penalties shootout 'cause I was pretty decent technically.

Winning or losing on penalties is a matter of luck of course, technique surely and mentality absolutely. Southgate could be terribly right at chosing the right penalty takers if he watched deep enough in their attitudes and how they reacted to big pressures. It doesn't matter that much how old you are if you're mentally strong. And even with this, the goalie could be absolutely outstanding on saving it.

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1 hour ago, Federico said:

I think penalties are drama for whoever takes it. You might be 19, or 35, doesn't make any difference. It's 80% about mentality and cold-blood, 20% technique.

I myself always suffered penalties when I used to play football in my youth ages. Unfortunately my coach always pointed at me on penalties shootout 'cause I was pretty decent technically.

Winning or losing on penalties is a matter of luck of course, technique surely and mentality absolutely. Southgate could be terribly right at chosing the right penalty takers if he watched deep enough in their attitudes and how they reacted to big pressures. It doesn't matter that much how old you are if you're mentally strong. And even with this, the goalie could be absolutely outstanding on save it.

The term 'penalties are a lottery' always bugs me. They aren't. It's not all about luck. It's mostly the mentality of the player taking them, technique and perhaps some good fortune.

75% mentality
15% technique
10% luck

Something like that if we break it down. The ability to stay calm under huge pressure is the overriding factor imo. Technically being able to strike the ball well and a little bit of good fortune if the GK goes the right way or you just happen to not catch the ball as well as you'd like etc.

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As mentioned before, penalty shootouts are a huge mental test for players, and definitely not much of lotteries

Pretty good decider by testing how players deal under pressure and then there's also the keeper as well

Not sure if anyone can find a video, but Emi Martinez mindgames and performance in the shootout vs Colombia was staggering

Honestly never seen a keeper so damn overpowering in a shootout before

https://www.givemesport.com/1718073-emiliano-martinezs-mind-games-in-argentina-vs-colombia-shootout-shown-in-video

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The thing that surprised me the most with penalties is that with recent rule changes about the goalkeeper, I thought it was almost impossible now to save a penalty. I've been proven wrong many times.

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1 hour ago, Federico said:

I myself always suffered penalties when I used to play football in my youth ages.

I was a elementary school hero for a couple of years when I scored the decisive penalty in a final shootout. :lol:

6 minutes ago, Federico said:

The thing that surprised me the most with penalties is that with recent rule changes about the goalkeeper, I thought it was almost impossible now to save a penalty. I've been proven wrong many times.

Honestly, it's ridiculous for attackers to have so much freedom when it comes to stutter-steps.
Somehow understandable during regular games, but there needs to be more skill involved with penalty shootouts.

During shootouts, I'd allow keepers to do anything they want within their 5m box, then you can call taking penalties skill.

This will always be the most hillarious penalty for me, no clue how that one wasn't repeated. :lol:

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7 minuti fa, GunmaN1905 ha scritto:

I was a elementary school hero for a couple of years when I scored the decisive penalty in a final shootout. :lol:

If I have to picture myself after a shootout, I can easily see me crying and patted by my teammates. Oh but I scored some too, I wasn't a total failure!

And that's all I have to say about penalties.

Well not: all the major international trophies won by the teams I support, have been won after a penalty shootout. I'm getting old and my heart is no longer strong as it used to be 20 years ago. It would be extremely appreciated if at least for ONCE IN MY LIFE TO WIN A FINAL GAME 21-0. THANKS. (sorry for caps, it was for emphatyzing the feeling).

Admittedly, there's no win Italy has got without dying of sufference.

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Played as a goalkeeper when I was younger, at no particular level just local youth teams. Absolutely loved penalties, probably my favourite thing. Pretty much no risk of having blame on you by the end, a chance to be the hero, and get to fool around putting the takers off too. Not sure how much that carries through to international level mind you, and definitely never wanted to take on myself.

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1 hour ago, Federico said:

Admittedly, there's no win Italy has got without dying of sufference.

Which makes Inter the perfect Italian side that reflects the identity :D

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34 minutes ago, m_fenton said:

Played as a goalkeeper when I was younger, at no particular level just local youth teams. Absolutely loved penalties, probably my favourite thing. Pretty much no risk of having blame on you by the end, a chance to be the hero, and get to fool around putting the takers off too. Not sure how much that carries through to international level mind you, and definitely never wanted to take on myself.

 

At a completely amateur level, I did both. 

 

I was pretty good at kicking them, helped that I was unpredictable shooting with both feet equally well. 

 

GK wise, it's not just luck. You don't just "pick" a side. You read the movement. Some players cannot be read until the final milisecond, which is where luck comes in. But you can read body language or study a player's move and see if it's going right or left depending on the angle his body is taking as long as you know his strong foot. If you decide to move before the shot is made and the taker is cool enough to have his eyes on the goal rather than the ball, you're screwed. The best takers are those who read the goalkeepers, the best stoppers are those who read the kickers. Luck plays a part, but it's the least important factor. Of course, there are certain shots that are virtually unstoppable, those are the best, but even the best takers cannot replicate those every single time. 

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1 hour ago, m_fenton said:

Played as a goalkeeper when I was younger, at no particular level just local youth teams. Absolutely loved penalties, probably my favourite thing. Pretty much no risk of having blame on you by the end, a chance to be the hero, and get to fool around putting the takers off too. Not sure how much that carries through to international level mind you, and definitely never wanted to take on myself.

I used to love penalties as well when I played in goal, knowing exactly when someone is going to shoot and just anticipating where the shot was going rather than anything unpredictable and no pressure, what's not to like.

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I remember David Seaman taking about penalties and saying he didn’t mind them as there’s no pressure in the goalkeeper so saving it makes you a hero while you’d have to make a big mistake to be criticised for letting one in. 

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Had a coach in our youth team when I was 10 or 11 and every time in training, he used to say to us to always shoot with power in penalties. I took that advice with me, and even if I'm playing 5-a-side, 7-a-side or full 11-a-side (happens fairly rarely, like once or twice a year) , when I get to take a penalty, I always shoot with power. I've had very few saved by the goalkeeper, and mostly by professional football, futsal or field hockey goalies anyway,  but I've scored more against themselves than what they've saved. I've had two or three Ramos moments from wanting to blast it under the crossbar, but my conversion rate is pretty good. 

 

 

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26 minuti fa, Marius_R ha scritto:

Had a coach in our youth team when I was 10 or 11 and every time in training, he used to say to us to always shoot with power in penalties. I took that advice with me, and even if I'm playing 5-a-side, 7-a-side or full 11-a-side (happens fairly rarely, like once or twice a year) , when I get to take a penalty, I always shoot with power. I've had very few saved by the goalkeeper, and mostly by professional football, futsal or field hockey goalies anyway,  but I've scored more against themselves than what they've saved. I've had two or three Ramos moments from wanting to blast it under the crossbar, but my conversion rate is pretty good.

A good penalty is a penalty that is scored, whatever the style you kick the ball with. To be honest, kicking the ball with power doesn't grant any precision, so I prefer a flat, clinical ball kicked between the post and the support behind it. And I think the lower is kicked the ball, the harder is for the keeper to save it (especially if he's quite tall).

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On 14/07/2021 at 19:25, Yuko said:

GK wise, it's not just luck. You don't just "pick" a side. You read the movement. Some players cannot be read until the final milisecond, which is where luck comes in. But you can read body language or study a player's move and see if it's going right or left depending on the angle his body is taking as long as you know his strong foot. If you decide to move before the shot is made and the taker is cool enough to have his eyes on the goal rather than the ball, you're screwed. The best takers are those who read the goalkeepers, the best stoppers are those who read the kickers. Luck plays a part, but it's the least important factor. Of course, there are certain shots that are virtually unstoppable, those are the best, but even the best takers cannot replicate those every single time. 

Copy that. Played in a different sport at a much lower level than I was able to. Reading a players intention was possible (and a lot easier than the level I came from!!) and the mere fact you were able to stop penalties gave that added 'fear the keeper' bonus as well.

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