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10 minutes ago, The Amazing Dale Watkins said:

The comments on that petition are a fun read. You can tell the majority of the people hadn't ever watched a football match before. I like this one from Karen:

 

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Surely nobody who watches football regularly actually thinks the referee was biased? :D 

Chiellini tackle on Saka is never a red card on the halfway line and there’s another defender in shot so he wasn’t even the last man. It is scummy but it’s part of the game, if we’d be more counter attacking throughout with our pace we could’ve put him on a yellow earlier in the game and made things more interesting. 

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I thought the ref was fair to both teams, let the play go when he could and blew the whistle when he had to

Chellini's foul is a yellow in the majority of games, players were getting back.  If you want one that potentially verges on a red, it's probably the one where Jorginho and Grealish collided, some refs would possibly give a red for that as Grealish gets a stud in the knee with the follow up.  For me being somebody who has watched football for decades, I'd say it's 50-50 but it's one where it could go either way

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6 minutes ago, PaulHartman71 said:

Surely nobody who watches football regularly actually thinks the referee was biased? :D 

Chiellini tackle on Saka is never a red card on the halfway line and there’s another defender in shot so he wasn’t even the last man. It is scummy but it’s part of the game, if we’d be more counter attacking throughout with our pace we could’ve put him on a yellow earlier in the game and made things more interesting. 

Chiellini's foul was 100% cynical and 100% a yellow, but never anything more than that. Just a classic case of a defender taking a card for the team. He knew exactly what he was doing but it happens all the time in football.

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30 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said:

Even I'm being respectful (by my standards :D) considering how many of you people mocked that blatant robbery in semi-final.

I was thinking that myself. Have you had a religious experience between the Denmark game and today? :D 

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9 minutes ago, TM said:

I thought the ref was fair to both teams, let the play go when he could and blew the whistle when he had to

Chellini's foul is a yellow in the majority of games, players were getting back.  If you want one that potentially verges on a red, it's probably the one where Jorginho and Grealish collided, some refs would possibly give a red for that as Grealish gets a stud in the knee with the follow up.  For me being somebody who has watched football for decades, I'd say it's 50-50 but it's one where it could go either way


Definitely seen reds given for that, easy to argue it was dangerous play, but personally given there was very limited intent from Jorginho I think in an ideal world you don’t want to see reds for things like that especially in big games. 

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13 minutes ago, eenie said:

Chiellini's foul was 100% cynical and 100% a yellow, but never anything more than that. Just a classic case of a defender taking a card for the team. He knew exactly what he was doing but it happens all the time in football.

Exactly. Much like the pen for Sterling, loads of talk around something that happens all the time. A red would have been very, very harsh. 

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8 minutes ago, Tikka Mezzala said:

I was thinking that myself. Have you had a religious experience between the Denmark game and today? :D 

Nah, I'm better than those people.

Never kick someone when they're down.

But some of the posts after Denmark game were enough to know true faces of some posters.

An they were probably under heavy influence. :lol:

 

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Entering the forum doesn't require a sobriety test. Would have been though ;)

And an issue in a mainly English forum :D

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4 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said:

Nah, I'm better than those people.

Never kick someone when they're down.

But some of the posts after Denmark game were enough to know true faces of some posters.

An they were probably under heavy influence. :lol:

 

People have different opinions to you gunman. Given some of the appalling ones you've had, I'd refrain from judging anyone, because you're really not better, you spent 13 hours having a conspiracy filled meltdown after the result, including an extremely low point referencing Eriksen's injury

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34 minutes ago, The Amazing Dale Watkins said:

The comments on that petition are a fun read. You can tell the majority of the people hadn't ever watched a football match before. I like this one from Karen:

 

I like Beverly's take... "this is totally unacceptable, the referee should have acted more appropriately, what sort of message dose this send to children"

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Anybody struck by how many women signed the petition? Not that women can't enjoy football or have **** takes but it's predominantly a male dominated sport and that petition seems to be mostly women. 

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Just now, themadsheep2001 said:

People have different opinions to you gunman. Given some of the appalling ones you've had, I'd refrain from judging anyone

I wasn't even talking about opinions, I was talking about people literally posting various troll gifs and one member even called me an imbecile, saying he's willing to take the ban.
And then he edited the post 2 minutes later. :lol:

I know it was an emotional rollercoaster, but some posters are a joke and always will be.

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1 minute ago, skybluedave said:

All I remember from the Denmark thread was Gunman forgetting who got sent off between France and Croatia at WC98

Precisely. People in glass houses and all that. 

The remark about Eriksen was a real low point, on a serious note. Thought it was pretty despicable to throw that in. If you're gonna call people a joke, that was much worse. 

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1 minute ago, skybluedave said:

All I remember from the Denmark thread was Gunman forgetting who got sent off between France and Croatia at WC98

and thinking that Kevin Doyle was English

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6 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said:

The remark about Eriksen was a real low point, on a serious note. Thought it was pretty despicable to throw that in.

That remark was meant in a way that it's disgusting to blatantly dive considering what happened.

I said that it was obvious how players in that and Belgium-Russia game afterwards didn't want to fall easily considering what happened, but then they all started to diving again after a couple of days passed.

Remember that Kane-Phillips situation from last night? Both of them acting as if they just suffered severe injuries, only to go up 5 seconds later because England still had the ball.

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9 minutes ago, skybluedave said:

All I remember from the Denmark thread was Gunman forgetting who got sent off between France and Croatia at WC98

The even better post was the follow-up where he claimed that it was still a conspiracy because the red card for France strengthened their resolve or something like that :D But clearly, at that point he was merely trolling

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4 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said:

That remark was meant in a way that it's disgusting to blatantly dive considering what happened.

I said that it was obvious how players in that and Belgium-Russia game afterwards didn't want to fall easily considering what happened, but then they all started to diving again after a couple of days passed.

Remember that Kane-Phillips situation from last night? Both of them acting as if they just suffered severe injuries, only to go up 5 seconds later because England still had the ball.

Let's be absolutely clear: there was zero reason to mention him and it's bad faith posting. Not even remotely related and if you're going to even try and conflate that with Sterling then I think we're done here to be honest, tried to give you the benefit of doubt but i don't think you're worth it. Pretty scummy thing to do to mention that tbh

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5 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said:

That remark was meant in a way that it's disgusting to blatantly dive considering what happened.

I said that it was obvious how players in that and Belgium-Russia game afterwards didn't want to fall easily considering what happened, but then they all started to diving again after a couple of days passed..

Poulsen went full Neymar in the same game!

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Thought the ref was really good tbf, Chiellini one always being given as a yellow although it's far more dangerous than giving someone a tap to the face that you'd see a red card for. Personally think Jorginho one was a red and was a bit surprised he wasn't asked to have a look.

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23 minutes ago, Weezer said:

I like Beverly's take... "this is totally unacceptable, the referee should have acted more appropriately, what sort of message dose this send to children"

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Anybody struck by how many women signed the petition? Not that women can't enjoy football or have **** takes but it's predominantly a male dominated sport and that petition seems to be mostly women. 

Yeah I think the OP of that petition is creating a ton of sock puppet accounts to sign it. :D

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4 minutes ago, enigmatic said:

Poulsen went full Neymar in the same game!

Well he doesn't have any chance of matching him for footballing ability, so that's as close as he'll get :lol:

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2 minutes ago, Butts said:

Thought the ref was really good tbf, Chiellini one always being given as a yellow although it's far more dangerous than giving someone a tap to the face that you'd see a red card for. Personally think Jorginho one was a red and was a bit surprised he wasn't asked to have a look.

Yes, Jorginho foul definitely one of those that look far worse in the replay, but you could still tell that it was inadvertent. There are for sure refs who would give a red for that and the VAR wouldn't have been out of line to ask him to take another look. That being said, for this game it was the right call I think, based on how he had handled the game up to that point.

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I think VAR was very absent all tournament. I guess they avoid getting involved very easily because who's judging what is an obvious mistake by the ref? Philips with the same sort of tackle. The penalty against Denmark. It seems to be that as soon as you can say 'the ref can give it/decide like this', there is no longer leeway to call it an obvious mistake. 

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6 minutes ago, The Amazing Dale Watkins said:

Yes, Jorginho foul definitely one of those that look far worse in the replay, but you could still tell that it was inadvertent. There are for sure refs who would give a red for that and the VAR wouldn't have been out of line to ask him to take another look. That being said, for this game it was the right call I think, based on how he had handled the game up to that point.

I think the fact that Jorginho's foot slipped off the ball onto Grealish probably saved him from red. I don't think he could have had many complaints if that had been red. Thought the ref was excellent throughout

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1 hour ago, enigmatic said:

It's a stupid petition, but then we also have a petition to change the name of London to Sterlingrad :D 

Let’s rename it anyway comrade

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14 minutes ago, Crazy_Ivan said:

Yeah I think the OP of that petition is creating a ton of sock puppet accounts to sign it. :D

Quite possibly. They all use the same style of language.

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25 minutes ago, georginho_juventusygr said:

I want to thank the passion from English fans. So passionate that I could hear Atomic Kitten again. :thup:

That was your Spotify playlist...

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3 minutes ago, outlander said:

When? I don't remember a single case of a red card given for a shirt pull in such situation.


That was in reference to Jorginho’s tackle not the Chiellini pull. 

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1 minute ago, PaulHartman71 said:


That was in reference to Jorginho’s tackle not the Chiellini pull. 

Sorry. That one could easily result in a red for sure. Was really dangerous and and was meant to be "hard" as it's not the way you try to control the ball surely.

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40 minutes ago, Weezer said:

Urgh.

 

Footballers falling down like that should gets it own name, like manflu or something.

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1 hour ago, Wolf_pd said:

Footballers falling down like that should gets it own name, like manflu or something.

It should just be a yellow card. 

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2 hours ago, ryan045 said:

Jorginho was 100% a red. But I’m not sure it affects the outcome. 114th min + misses his pen.

It wasn't because of Grealish flying in the way he did in the first place, combined with Jorginho going over the ball (same as Phillips). 

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Mancini is just so good, said it towards the start of the Euros but he’s in a league of his own compared to the other managers and that was the difference on the night. They handled the occasion greatly, the best teams produce those kind of cynical challenges in the important moments.

Chiesa as well, what a player.

Grateful for the occasion but more than anything disappointed by Southgate returning to his passive don’t lose mentality when there was plenty of opportunities to exploit, as great as it felt at the time, going up that early was probably our downfall with Southgate in charge. Cannot produce 6 shots in 120 minutes and then be angry at the Italians winning. Lot of what ifs and can’t help but think a better manager wins that for us, oh well.

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1 minute ago, ArsenalFan7 said:

Mancini is just so good, said it towards the start of the Euros but he’s in a league of his own compared to the other managers and that was the difference on the night. They handled the occasion greatly, the best teams produce those kind of cynical challenges in the important moments.

Chiesa as well, what a player.

Grateful for the occasion but more than anything disappointed by Southgate returning to his passive don’t lose mentality when there was plenty of opportunities to exploit, as great as it felt at the time, going up that early was probably our downfall with Southgate in charge. Cannot produce 6 shots in 120 minutes and then be angry at the Italians winning. Lot of what ifs and can’t help but think a better manager wins that for us, oh well.

Agree with that but would add two things. Firstly, Mancini is a top class international manager just like Luis Enrique is. I'm not sure either are anything special at club level when there is more competition. Not to say he didn't do a great job - Italy were tactically the best team in the tournament.

Secondly, not sure saying returning to a passive mentality is a good description. Southgate has been like that the whole tournament, for better or worse. He sat back on almost every lead. It's just his nature, every line up was more cautious than it needed to be in my view.

I'll caveat it by saying I'm naturally inclined to criticise defensive set ups. Southgate deserves credit for his man management but his tactical set up leaves a lot to be desired.

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1 minute ago, EnterUsernameHere said:

Secondly, not sure saying returning to a passive mentality is a good description. Southgate has been like that the whole tournament, for better or worse. He sat back on almost every lead. It's just his nature, every line up was more cautious than it needed to be in my view.

I'll caveat it by saying I'm naturally inclined to criticise defensive set ups. Southgate deserves credit for his man management but his tactical set up leaves a lot to be desired.

Would agree with that in fairness. I thought he had the opportunity to go with Sancho and try to exploit Emerson but it was clear from the initial lineup what the intentions were, he’d earned my trust by that point but was quite anxious beforehand at there only being two reliable scorers in the side, felt too safe. Unfortunately, it did end up feeling like I was watching Croatia again and I can’t get behind the mentality of clinging on to a lead for that long.

Final sentence aptly sums up my feelings towards him, I’m extremely grateful for the way he has united the fans and the squad but he falls just short on being the man to win trophies with the lack of in game management for me. He proven me wrong on numerous occasions but I can’t see the odds falling into our favour like this for a third time and I do think things will probably end quite sadly for Southgate at the world cup.

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9 hours ago, GunmaN1905 said:

Nah, I'm better than those people.

No, you're really not.

9 hours ago, GunmaN1905 said:

 but some posters are a joke and always will be.

Yep, and you're one of them. There's that classic Gunny lack of self-awareness again.

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7 hours ago, ArsenalFan7 said:

Mancini is just so good, said it towards the start of the Euros but he’s in a league of his own compared to the other managers and that was the difference on the night. They handled the occasion greatly, the best teams produce those kind of cynical challenges in the important moments.

Chiesa as well, what a player.

Grateful for the occasion but more than anything disappointed by Southgate returning to his passive don’t lose mentality when there was plenty of opportunities to exploit, as great as it felt at the time, going up that early was probably our downfall with Southgate in charge. Cannot produce 6 shots in 120 minutes and then be angry at the Italians winning. Lot of what ifs and can’t help but think a better manager wins that for us, oh well.

Mancini who produced 7 shots in 120 minutes in a semi final won on pens is "in a league of his own" and Gareth who produces 6 is too passive? Fine margins...

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Wasn't really sure if there is a thread dedicated for this so I post here.

The reaction to the racism, as in people don't want to support it and they want to support the players is probably the biggest I've ever seen.

I'm sure some people think BLM is some political thing and taking the knee is pointless but the last couple of days are evidence to me that society is rejecting racism more and more so that is good to see 

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38 minutes ago, enigmatic said:

Mancini who produced 7 shots in 120 minutes in a semi final won on pens is "in a league of his own" and Gareth who produces 6 is too passive? Fine margins...

Did Italy not produce 6 on target and 9 off target? While we produced 1 on target and 4 off?

And they had 62% possession, on top of that.

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