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18 minutes ago, Vynal Seven said:

From the guy who thinks you either win or “bottle it”. 

And that we had a 90% chance of beating an Italian side unbeaten in 30 games :lol:

At some point it's probably worth giving Italy credit...

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By the end of the week, you guys will be trying to convince me that England's achievement of getting to the final while playing all games on Wembley is a beautiful underdog story about a team going against all odds. :lol:

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2 hours ago, GunmaN1905 said:

This tournament has proven that coaches do make a difference.

Can't argue with this.  I mean look how badly England have done before now, even when they've had a crop of brilliant players.

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4 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said:

By the end of the week, you guys will be trying to convince me that England's achievement of getting to the final while playing all games on Wembley is a beautiful underdog story about a team going against all odds. :lol:

While defeating Croatia, Czech Republic, Germany and Ukraine and drawing against Scotland and Denmark to get there! What a performance!

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13 minutes ago, Smallen said:

I agree with this, but playing two 8s (let’s say Foden and Mount ahead of Phillips/Rice for example) =/= open flowing football. Not necessarily, anyway.

No, but that's kind of the point I suppose. Foden and Mount probably would make the midfield more fluid but any midfield 3 with those two in would be absolutely and ruthlessly picked apart by any team good at transitions. I don't think any half decent national team plays with 2 8's for this reason. You need two deep midfielder players and England just don't have any of those that are all that good at passing out from the back. If they did they'd be straight in the team. 

England would be much better off trying to play to their strengths, we've got several very good attacking midfielders who can play in the half spaces well. Use the solid midfield 2 to allow them to link up inside and let the fullbacks provide the width. If another Carrick comes along any time soon then you can adjust things, but we've got a defensively stable base with two progressive defenders and a whole battery of fullbacks who are proficient going forward. It's probably our biggest asset. Playing a slightly negative midfield two to keep that solidity and then tinkering with the attackers seems to me a much more likely to succeed strategy than playing players who aren't really proper midfielders in midfield end stopping the back line doing what they've been doing. Probably all the more important if TAA is back being a defacto playmaker from the wide areas. 

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6 minutes ago, Marc Albrighton said:

Did good coaches making a difference need to be proved to anyone that's actually watched football though or for that matter any sport.

Might need proving to the guy in this thread who insists that two coaches who inherited absolute messes of teams and ended up in the final are useless and cowardly...

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I was just mentioning it because it wasn't that big of a performance to get to the final for England..They had an easy group and were only able to score 2 goals, encountered a troubled Germany and then Ukraine and Denmark were they needed a light penalty to win the game, while playing 6 of the 7 games at home, they even played there best game away from Wembley..

 

 

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1 minute ago, BadAss88 said:

I was just mentioning it because it wasn't that big of a performance to get to the final for England..They had an easy group and were only able to score 2 goals, encountered a troubled Germany and then Ukraine and Denmark were they needed a light penalty to win the game, while playing 6 of the 7 games at home, they even played there best game away from Wembley..

So what you're saying is England were unfairly disadvantaged by having to play under the pressure of having all their games at home? 

I knew we were robbed. Bet the Italians rigged the draw too. 

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No I'm saying that they didn't play well during the entire tournament but were lucky with the draw and home advantage.

They could've played way more attacking and attractive football with the players they had, but decided not too..

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1 minute ago, BadAss88 said:

No I'm saying that they didn't play well during the entire tournament but were lucky with the draw and home advantage.

No need to try and explain yourself further, I read what you said! We played our best game away and we were forced to play the rest of the games at home! You're right, we were robbed. 

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23 minutes ago, enigmatic said:

Might need proving to the guy in this thread who insists that two coaches who inherited absolute messes of teams and ended up in the final are useless and cowardly...

Yea well i don't know why anyone really humours the guy honestly, he's either a very good troll or just pretty dense.

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England's route to success is pretty clear as far as I can see: appoint Tony Pulis. Demand to play games on Tuesday evenings (especially in the winter), and move home games from Wembley to the Bet365 Stadium. We all know "continental" players canny handle such conditions.

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1 minute ago, Tikka Mezzala said:

England's route to success is pretty clear as far as I can see: appoint Tony Pulis. Demand to play games on Tuesday evenings (especially in the winter), and move home games from Wembley to the Bet365 Stadium. We all know "continental" players canny handle such conditions.

Don’t have any more upvotes but yes. All games must be on a cold Tuesday night in Stoke. Appoint Pulis and we can’t go wrong 

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1 minute ago, BadAss88 said:

I was just mentioning it because it wasn't that big of a performance to get to the final for England..They had an easy group and were only able to score 2 goals, encountered a troubled Germany and then Ukraine and Denmark were they needed a light penalty to win the game, while playing 6 of the 7 games at home, they even played there best game away from Wembley..

It was a completely normal performance against completely normal opponents to get to the final, something we haven't actually done before. On the other side of the draw Italy cruised past much weaker opponents in the group stage, then needed extra time against the mighty Austria, just about avoided throwing away a two goal lead against Belgium minus two of their best players and won a shootout after parking the bus against Spain. Did that make them the best team in the tournament? Yes, actually  

For comparison purposes, in 2008 Peak Spain also beat Germany and ended up in a shootout with Italy. Their other opponents were Russia, Sweden and Greece, and they needed very late goals to beat the last two. In Euro 96 Germany also drew with Italy, narrowly beat Croatia and the Czech Republic, and I'm delighted our match against them now counts as a draw. And those are the similar ones, obviously Portugal had both weaker opponents and worse results, but the achievement still counts.

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4 minutes ago, Tikka Mezzala said:

England's route to success is pretty clear as far as I can see: appoint Tony Pulis. Demand to play games on Tuesday evenings (especially in the winter), and move home games from Wembley to the Bet365 Stadium. We all know "continental" players canny handle such conditions.

This is just a cunning plan to make the conditions ideally suited for Scotland to win, isn't it? ;)

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2 minutes ago, enigmatic said:

This is just a cunning plan to make the conditions ideally suited for Scotland to win, isn't it? ;)

Nah, we play best at Wembley.

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I agree that England played pretty weak opponents on the way to the semi in 2018 but I'm not really having it for this year! I know neither are what they once were, but we still beat two of the last four World Cup finalists.

That Danish side is pretty good, the Czechs are underrated (knocked out an exciting Dutch side) and of course we didn't really lose to Italy.

I know we don't think of this current Italian side as a vintage Italian side right now, but I wonder whether we will in a few years time. Chiellini, Bonucci, Verratti, Donnarumma are probably some of the best players in their positions in world football at the moment. And there's a bunch of others who, depending on what they achieve in coming years, could end up being highly regarded.

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15 minutes ago, enigmatic said:

This is just a cunning plan to make the conditions ideally suited for Scotland to win, isn't it? ;)

None of this tippy tappy Spanishy stuff. No more Grealish hair bands and Phillips man buns. Back to the best of British! Blood, guts, and pitches like the wetlands of Brazil. If the ball bounces, it ain't fit to play! :mad:

****! I'm becoming @bestbrother!

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2 minutes ago, Tikka Mezzala said:

Might as well. It's pretty much a former Celtic XI anyway :D 

We need all the help we can get next season. Would ask if you have anyone good up there but after last season… :D

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1 minute ago, mark1985 said:

We need all the help we can get next season. Would ask if you have anyone good up there but after last season… :D

Aye. We're gonna need some good snake oil salesman to punt some of these players. 

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1 hour ago, Tikka Mezzala said:

England's route to success is pretty clear as far as I can see: appoint Tony Pulis. Demand to play games on Tuesday evenings (especially in the winter), and move home games from Wembley to the Bet365 Stadium. We all know "continental" players canny handle such conditions.

didn't they not have this sort of thing with big Sam?

although that didn't last long

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Wait wait:

I read some english fans raised a petition to replay the game?

:D

It's alright for me but you need a play-off match against France before, as they have to replay their game against Swiss

 

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Omg it's true!!!

https://www.change.org/p/euros-2020-managers-rematch-demand-for-italy-v-england

Go signing guys! It's coming home!

 

P.S.: sorry, I don't mean to be offensive but I laughed loud when I heard something like that from french fans... but this is even worse.

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4 minutes ago, Federico said:

Wait wait:

I read some english fans launched a petition to replay the game?

:D

It's alright for me but you need a play-off match against France before, as they have to replay their game against Swiss

 

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

Omg it's true!!!

https://www.change.org/p/euros-2020-managers-rematch-demand-for-italy-v-england

Go signing guys! It's coming home!

 

P.S.: sorry, I don't mean to be offensive but I laughed loud when I heard something like that from french fans... but this is even worse.

Why do you care so much?

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2 minutes ago, Reggiana said:

I do find the term in the petition "dragging England players like they were slaves" a bit problematic.

The lower case "italy" is worse.

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I feel like Federico really wants to stick it to the England fans on here but the problem is vast majority on here A.) accept Italy deserve it and were the better team and B.) while disapointed we lost, are just happy with England making a bloody final

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2 minutes ago, skybluedave said:

I feel like Federico really wants to stick it to the England fans on here but the problem is vast majority on here A.) accept Italy deserve it and were the better team and B.) while disapointed we lost, are just happy with England making a bloody final

Yeah, really wants an angry bite, which is odd given how much he hates it when Gunman winds him up about Juventus being cheats

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10 minutes ago, enigmatic said:

It's a stupid petition, but then we also have a petition to change the name of London to Sterlingrad :D 

Sounds better than London to be honest.

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The comments on that petition are a fun read. You can tell the majority of the people hadn't ever watched a football match before. I like this one from Karen:

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I think England played a good game.no pulling clothes tripping over or yellow cards.when a player gets a yellow card it's a warning to behave but to get 3 and still allowed to play is downright disgraceful.they didn't win football,they were bullies

 

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Just now, The Amazing Dale Watkins said:

The comments on that petition are a fun read. You can tell the majority of the people hadn't ever watched a football match before. I like this one from Karen:

What's in a name....

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