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1 minute ago, GunmaN1905 said:

Training penalties doesn't translate, imo.

80k in the stadium, shooting in training is meaningless.

Well yes but that's a stupid thing to say isn't it? According to this dumb logic, all he can go off then is penalties taken by players in front of 80k crowds. As posted by someone a page or two back, hardly any of our players have taken a single senior penalty!

So if he's not going off training, what is he supposed to go off?

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Oh cmon, all the attacks on Big Geordie is only due to his post history and username

There wasn't even a peep to the exact same post VP posted in the English thread until someone brought up the attacks here

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Still feeling a bit down, but it's all slowly sinking in now. We've done tremendously to get through to the Final, and then take the strongest, most consistent team in the tournament all the way to penalties.

The trophy might not have come home, but I believe that football has come home. Over the last three years, we have fallen back in love with an England team that can rightly call itself one of the best in the world. The progress that has been made since Iceland.

I still believe Southgate cost us this Final, or at least the chance to win it inside 120 minutes. Our most attacking subs came too late to make any real impact, and he maybe left Mount on for too long when he was clearly struggling. And as much as I commend Saka for stepping up to take penalty #5, if I were Southgate, I would've put my foot down and insisted that a more experienced player take it.

But Southgate is still the right man to lead us to Qatar. He respects his players (and vice versa), he conductd himself brilliantly, and he has some solid gameplans that get results. I just hope he'd show a bit more attacking courage from time to time, and take more risks for greater rewards.

I'm sure this England team will continue to challenge for honours over the next few years. Maybe this will be the generation that delivers a trophy. 56 years of hurt will never stop me dreaming.

I've loved sharing this Euros experience with y'all, and I look forward to more next year - not just for Qatar, but also for Euro 2022, when women's football come home. (And maybe I'll meet some of you again even sooner. I hear there's something happening in Tokyo later this month. ;))

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Going to post 2 things.

The Football 

The mistake Southgate made was not bringing on Grealish for Mount sooner, especially in the 60th min when Italy was all over us.  Also thought it was a bad move to bring on Saka for Tippier. Never been fan of Saka and really don't know what he offers.  Sancho would have been a better player to play that right wing. Someone who could carry the ball forward and run at people. 

Thought Italy deserves it.

England as a nation.

Typical racist Brits, the disgusting filth being said about Sancho, Saka and Rashford on social media at the moment is vile and disgusting. Only last week Sterling was billed as a hero the way hes played and now the abuse he and 3 lads who missed pens are disgusting and very typical of the culture in this country. 

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Not that it matters too much, from what I can see:

Saka has taken 4 penalty's in youth football. Scored 3, missed 1. This includes 1 scored in the Uefa U17 SF shootout.

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2 minutes ago, Bootador said:

And the senior players you've suggested take the penalty have been proven failures (from a small sample size) from the spot. So do we go for the proven failure, or the untested player who is technically better?

Who was a proven failure? Only Sterling?

We have different opinion and we're just going in circles.

 

Don't want to pile on your mysery anymore, I've said my bit.

Mancini got the absolute maximum out of this team, lots of important players were missing.

Southgate had a full Wembley, first minute lead and a better overall team at his disposal and made you look like Scotland.

You didn't deserve the win just because of literally not making a single shot in regular time after you took the lead.

1 minute ago, Baptista_8 said:

So if he's not going off training, what is he supposed to go off?

To quote Spalletti, uomini forti, destini forti.

Does it need translating? Uomini means men, the rest should be obvious.

Your players weren't up to the occasion I guess.

 

That would be it from me tonight, as I said, I honestly think England should've won this.
At 1-0 it looked like it's going to be a battering, atmosphere was amazing, but yet again you end up looking like the eternal bottlers.

 

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Just now, GunmaN1905 said:

Who was a proven failure? Only Sterling?

We have different opinion and we're just going in circles.

 

Don't want to pile on your mysery anymore, I've said my bit.

Mancini got the absolute maximum out of this team, lots of important players were missing.

Southgate had a full Wembley, first minute lead and a better overall team at his disposal and made you look like Scotland.

You didn't deserve the win just because of literally not making a single shot in regular time after you took the lead.

To quote Spalletti, uomini forti, destini forti.

Does it need translating? Uomini means men, the rest should be obvious.

Your players weren't up to the occasion I guess.

That would be it from me tonight, as I said, I honestly think England should've won this.


At 1-0 it looked like it's going to be a battering, atmosphere was amazing, but yet again you end up looking like the eternal bottlers.

Your reply to me is nothing to do with what we were discussing though :D

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People calling it terrible penalties is another thing

You can say it for Rashford maybe since he does the stupid run up and still hits it against the post

Sancho and Saka, if keeper went the other way, no one would have said a thing

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Just now, Baptista_8 said:

Your reply to me is nothing to do with what we were discussing though :D

I said, we have different opinion and we're going in circles.

If I was an England supporter, this loss would be on Southgate for cowardly tactics.

And on older players who were scared to take a pen after that.

Idk what else can I add, we disagree and that's it. Maybe you're right, maybe I am. We can't know.

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Just now, GunmaN1905 said:

I said, we have different opinion and we're going in circles.

If I was an England supporter, this loss would be on Southgate for cowardly tactics.

Well we definitely agree on this.

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19 minutes ago, themadsheep2001 said:

There's been a lot of that from defenders. No thinking, just pick your spot and smash it hard

Recall Stam doing that and nearly taking the stadium roof out once :D

Problem with a thunderbastard is if slightly overcook it it's off target and if you undercook it it's a "nice height for the keeper" who can see where it's going. Though it's not as bad as not even looking at the ball when you completely change your mind about the penalty like Rashford 

 

21 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said:

OK some bad takes in here about penalties. I guess you guys think putting in golf is a complete lottery.

tbh if golf's tie breaker was a putt-off where they both had repeated relatively straightforward 12 foot putts until someone misses with a guy waggling the flag to put them off I don't think many players renowned for their ability to read greens would feel it was a proper test of their skill. Two Italians and an Englishman noted for being good at penalties missed, an Italian famed for missing decisive spot kicks and Harry Maguire scored. That shouldn't take away from Italy being the best team in the tournament, but it wasn't the penalties that showed that.

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1 minute ago, VamPook said:

People calling it terrible penalties is another thing

You can say it for Rashford maybe since he does the stupid run up and still hits it against the post

Sancho and Saka, if keeper went the other way, no one would have said a thing

Both were positioned badly imo. You either go straight down the centre or aim for the sides - kicking the ball half way to one side is always getting saved.

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1 minute ago, VamPook said:

People calling it terrible penalties is another thing

You can say it for Rashford maybe since he does the stupid run up and still hits it against the post

Sancho and Saka, if keeper went the other way, no one would have said a thing

Rashford at least sent the keeper the wrong way in fairness, Donnaruma didn't guess for Sancho and Saka, they were just poorly struck at a nice height. 

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3 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said:

I said, we have different opinion and we're going in circles.

If I was an England supporter, this loss would be on Southgate for cowardly tactics.

And on older players who were scared to take a pen after that.

Idk what else can I add, we disagree and that's it. Maybe you're right, maybe I am. We can't know.

Yeah, let's leave it at that.

Still delighted for Mancini, incredible turnaround for Italy - not even qualifying for World Cup 2018 to this. :applause:

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5 minutes ago, Big Geordie said:

He's acting like rectum. Is that better?

I mean once more BG and hopefully it sinks in.

Some of us have waited 25 years for tonight. Basically would like to talk about the football match and not the politics. You don’t need to barge in yet again with your tweets and your memes, trying to score some kind of victory over the Tories which basically only exists in your own head.

It’s weird that you can spend half your life on here and yet still misjudge the mood so spectacularly.

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1 minute ago, InigoPatinkin said:

Rashford at least sent the keeper the wrong way in fairness, Donnaruma didn't guess for Sancho and Saka, they were just poorly struck at a nice height. 

I dunno, I kinda remember the slow motion replay, you can see Donnarumma already starts diving to his left while Saka is doing his run up before connecting with the ball

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17 minutes ago, Deltaroad said:

Going to post 2 things.

The Football 

The mistake Southgate made was not bringing on Grealish for Mount sooner, especially in the 60th min when Italy was all over us.  Also thought it was a bad move to bring on Saka for Tippier. Never been fan of Saka and really don't know what he offers.  Sancho would have been a better player to play that right wing. Someone who could carry the ball forward and run at people. 

Thought Italy deserves it.

England as a nation.

Typical racist Brits, the disgusting filth being said about Sancho, Saka and Rashford on social media at the moment is vile and disgusting. Only last week Sterling was billed as a hero the way hes played and now the abuse he and 3 lads who missed pens are disgusting and very typical of the culture in this country. 

Hate to go mega defensive, but what is this? :D

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1 minute ago, georginho_juventusygr said:

 

I'm pretty sure that's a straight red for what it's worth :D absolutely ludicrous decision making. 

Thought Chiellini actually looked his age tonight a little bit but was covered by Bonnuci being imperious. 

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2 minutes ago, ajw10 said:

Hate to go mega defensive, but what is this? :D

I do believe this is where the unity associated with of a nearly successful international tournament ends and the "where are my United players?" season begins.

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1 minute ago, Bootador said:

I do believe this is where the unity associated with of a nearly successful international tournament ends and the "where are my United players?" season begins.

Sancho's reputation has changed since United announced that they were signing him

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I do like the "never been a fan of" argument given to a 19 year old though. I've literally never seen Saka play a full game before this tournament, who's still watching full Arsenal games these days outside of Arsenal fans?

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Just now, Bootador said:

I do like the "never been a fan of" argument" given to a 19 year old though. I've literally never seen Saka play a full game before this tournament, who's still watching full Arsenal games these days outside of Arsenal fans?

Yeah that's sort of what I was getting at. 

Saka is brilliant btw. Huge talent. A rare bright spark in a dreadful season for Arsenal.

 

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10 minutes ago, InigoPatinkin said:

I'm pretty sure that's a straight red for what it's worth :D absolutely ludicrous decision making. 

Thought Chiellini actually looked his age tonight a little bit but was covered by Bonnuci being imperious. 

Fantastic to see it in slow motion.

 

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11 minutes ago, InigoPatinkin said:

I'm pretty sure that's a straight red for what it's worth :D absolutely ludicrous decision making. 

Thought Chiellini actually looked his age tonight a little bit but was covered by Bonnuci being imperious. 

There’s no way it was a straight red. It’s a cynical, clear as day yellow card to stop a counter. 

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3 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said:

There’s no way it was a straight red. It’s a cynical, clear as day yellow card to stop a counter. 

He drags someone down by his collar pretty violently, it's way beyond necessary force required. Cynical fouls to stop counters are still red if the player uses excessive force. There's no way slamming someone into the ground is reasonable force. 

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The penalties were kinda embarrassing, tho. These 3 guys didn't take it serious. Just wanted to give a show to the people out there. Probably they hoped to score and then get fame when England won. Italy did great and took it serious.

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Just now, RinusFM said:

The penalties were kinda embarrassing, tho. These 3 guys didn't take it serious. Just wanted to give a show to the people out there. Probably they hoped to score and then get fame when England won. Italy did great and took it serious.

Strange take. You think they thought they were playing a nothing game? 

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Just now, EnterUsernameHere said:

Strange take. You think they thought they were playing a nothing game? 

Stupid take really. Rashford in particular normally puts his pens away doing that

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Just now, EnterUsernameHere said:

Strange take. You think they thought they were playing a nothing game? 

Rashford for sure. The other guys too. Not Sala, tho. but perhaps a tiny bit.

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3 minutes ago, RinusFM said:

The penalties were kinda embarrassing, tho. These 3 guys didn't take it serious. Just wanted to give a show to the people out there. Probably they hoped to score and then get fame when England won. Italy did great and took it serious.

They did great and still missed 2 penalties.

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1 minute ago, bolton1987 said:

They did great and still missed 2 penalties.

Well.. The italians didn't take a weird strange run-up before they kicked the ball ;)

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The better team won, it wasn't a particularly good final from a footballing point of view but it gradually got better as it went along.

I wouldn't like to take a penalty against Donnarumma, he is massive.

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6 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said:

Nah, I agree he was excessive but still not a red card for me. Jorginho challenge was a possible one though. 

Jorginho was probably saved by it not being at forceful as it might have been. One of those definite 'orange' ones that goes either way. 

The Chiellini one is like you say, excessive, which makes it a red but the rules. Its one of those where it turned out harmless so he got away with it, but I think you have to put that one down to poor refereeing rather than' experienced' defending. I know lots of defenders who caught out in that position would have just held on to his shirt until the ball outran him and took the yellow without giving the referee a chance to send him off. The over the top yank back was stupidity. 

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5 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said:

Rashford has a much better penalty record than what I expected

He's extremely good at them, it's not easy to send a goalkeeper as good as Donnaruma the wrong way. Just a shame the shot was shanked. 

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