Jump to content

Match 51 THE FINAL: Italy vs England - 8pm Sunday BBC1 AND ITV1 LIVE FROM WEMBLEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Recommended Posts

  • Replies 2.7k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Just now, GunmaN1905 said:

I know you're defending your guy, but cmon.

What should've Gareth said? That some of them didn't want to take the penalty? What kind of coach would blame the players here?

For example Berardi didn't want to take one against Spain, despite taking them his entire career on club level.

Do you know any different though? At the end of the day we don't actually know how the choice was made

Link to post
Share on other sites

Realistically Shaw, Grealish or Sterling should be taking a penalty over Saka or  Maguire. 
 

You have to back Maguire for stepping up and taking the second one. When’s he ever taken one in his life ffs :D 

Link to post
Share on other sites

So people have barely finished leaving the stadium and there's already footage going around of English fans beating up random kids and asian people. 

England need an international ban again - did it work last time?

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just now, Bootador said:

I think what we're all in agreement is we can't blame Sterling, because that would be racist... but **** Jack Grealish and his stupid hair not taking penalties.

The Sun's headline tomorrow will 100% be about how Sterling threw the kids into the fire instead of taking one himself.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just now, EnterUsernameHere said:

Btw, even taking out any emotional attachment to who won, that's the best Euros of my lifetime. Feeling a bit sad it's over now...

I usually don't catch internationals besides supporting the underachievers, but I managed to catch almost every game for this one(except for a couple where I fell asleep)

Think at least 80% of the matches were entertaining 👍

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, GunmaN1905 said:

I know you're defending your guy, but cmon.

What should've Gareth said? That some of them didn't want to take the penalty? What kind of coach would blame the players here?

For example Berardi didn't want to take one against Spain, despite taking them his entire career on club level.

I think I know Grealish's character a little more than you. Absolutely no chance he would have 'bottled' it, as you love to say. People blaming him, Sterling and co for Saka having to take one is laughable. Not just the blaming, but the assumptions people are making about it.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just now, PaulHartman71 said:

Realistically Shaw, Grealish or Sterling should be taking a penalty over Saka or  Maguire. 
 

You have to back Maguire for stepping up and taking the second one. When’s he ever taken one in his life ffs :D 

Maguire been robbed of about 20 career goals already at Leicester/United.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just now, themadsheep2001 said:

Do you know any different though? At the end of the day we don't actually know how the choice was made

I suppose you're right.

Coach usually asks the players who's ready to take one. Some coaches force players who don't want to take pens to do it, others don't.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just can't see Southgate telling Grealish he's not taking one if he said he was ready.

1 minute ago, EnterUsernameHere said:

Btw, even taking out any emotional attachment to who won, that's the best Euros of my lifetime. Feeling a bit sad it's over now...

It would be up there if there were fans. Like this, not so much. At least last 3 games had good atmosphere.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just now, themadsheep2001 said:

Do you know any different though? At the end of the day we don't actually know how the choice was made

There's no way Southgate picked 5 players and refused to take into account how they were feeling.

Put it this way, if he decided that Saka was to take the fifth, whilst Sterling and Grealish are willing to take one, then that is genuinely horrendous management. I hate using the word negligent when it comes to football, but that's as close as you can get.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, EnterUsernameHere said:

Btw, even taking out any emotional attachment to who won, that's the best Euros of my lifetime. Feeling a bit sad it's over now...

 

Some amazing games. The knockout stages were brilliant. 

The evening of Spain/Croatia and France/Switzerland was probably the best day of football I've ever seen.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just now, Baptista_8 said:

I think I know Grealish's character a little more than you. Absolutely no chance he would have 'bottled' it, as you love to say. People blaming him, Sterling and co for Saka having to take one is laughable. Not just the blaming, but the assumptions people are making about it.

so elite footballer Grealish was told by Southgate that a 19 year old was taking a penalty instead? This is impressive, even by your standards

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just now, Ackter said:

Why are you backing Magquire for taking one but not backing Saka taking one?

A 19 year old without a single penalty taken in his career taking a pen in a game like this is just bad coaching.

Him being the fifth taker makes it exponentially worse.

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Ackter said:

So people have barely finished leaving the stadium and there's already footage going around of English fans beating up random kids and asian people. 

England need an international ban again - did it work last time?

The footage posted in most places is before the game (still daylight coming through the windows). Those getting a hiding were the ones without tickets trying to get through a disabled entrance.

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Ackter said:

Why are you backing Magquire for taking one but not backing Saka taking one?

Age. Tbf when I saw Maguire step up I felt confident. He's got good technique.

Link to post
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, PaulHartman71 said:

Realistically Shaw, Grealish or Sterling should be taking a penalty over Saka or  Maguire. 
 

You have to back Maguire for stepping up and taking the second one. When’s he ever taken one in his life ffs :D 

The first penalty in the Nations League 3rd Place shootout against Switzerland.

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, GunmaN1905 said:

I suppose you're right.

Coach usually asks the players who's ready to take one. Some coaches force players who don't want to take pens to do it, others don't.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just can't see Southgate telling Grealish he's not taking one if he said he was ready.

It would be up there if there were fans. Like this, not so much. At least last 3 games had good atmosphere.

Don't agree with the selections myself, but I have nothing to argue against what he said and what's been happening in training

Link to post
Share on other sites

12 minutes ago, Big Geordie said:

I disagree - it needs to be highlighted.

Jesus man, you are a tedious ****ing bore. Nobody in here is going to condone it. We all abhor it, this isn’t Facebook, you aren’t going to trip up any closet racists with your embedded tweets and your pithy one-liners. 

But Christ alive, you don’t always need to be quite so sanctimonious. So eager to disapprove at the top of your voice to validate your own weird sense of self. So desperate to ram your outrage down everyone’s throats. Rocking up at full time with your politics and completely hijacking a discussion about the match itself.

You really are a strange strange man.

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, ajw10 said:

so elite footballer Grealish was told by Southgate that a 19 year old was taking a penalty instead? This is impressive, even by your standards

Yes. Just like he was told he was coming on before him, and why he started more Euros games than him. Have you been in training watching them take pens? And 'by your standards' - don't be a dick about it.

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, grff said:

The footage posted in most places is before the game (still daylight coming through the windows). Those getting a hiding were the ones without tickets trying to get through a disabled entrance.

I mean, when it happened isn't exactly the part of the story you should be focussing on here.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Gutted for Southgate too. What a story that would've been. The ultimate redemption.

Instead another loss on penalties in the national stadium 25 years on.

Football is a cruel game and penalties are the worst.

Edited by craigcwwe
Link to post
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said:

I think I know Grealish's character a little more than you. Absolutely no chance he would have 'bottled' it, as you love to say. People blaming him, Sterling and co for Saka having to take one is laughable. Not just the blaming, but the assumptions people are making about it.

My theory is that his knee injury was starting to play up once the adrenaline of runnign around had gone. Taking a pen in a cup final is bad enough without having to do it when your knee's gone.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just now, themadsheep2001 said:

The penalities are a side issue at any rate. Should never have got to that 

Agree, just amazes me the assumptions people make and are adamant they're correct about it. Like you say, they have no idea what goes on in training. Baffling.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just now, Ackter said:

I mean, when it happened isn't exactly the part of the story you should be focussing on here.

I was clarifying the situation for you. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Arsenal bias here, but this was too harsh on Saka.

If no one else stood up and it was down to him, then shame on his teammates for letting the responsibility fall to a teenager who has never taken a penalty in a professional match. Mbappe who is several years older and a World Cup winner folded under the pressure of taking a decisive penalty, how was Saka going to fair?

Doesn't detract from the fact that A) Missing 3 penalties in a row is death and B) Southgate managed this game horrendously bad. Parked the bus after the first goal. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Heartwork said:

My theory is that his knee injury was starting to play up once the adrenaline of runnign around had gone. Taking a pen in a cup final is bad enough without having to do it when your knee's gone.

Pfft. Shearer scored a penalty in his own testimonial while basically on crutches :brock: 

Link to post
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, Rob1981 said:

Jesus man, you are a tedious ****ing bore. Nobody in here is going to condone it. We all abhor it, this isn’t Facebook, you aren’t going to trip up any closet racists with your embedded tweets and your pithy one-liners. 

But Christ alive, you don’t always need to be quite so sanctimonious. So eager to disapprove at the top of your voice to validate your own weird sense of self. So desperate to ram your outrage down everyone’s throats. Rocking up at full time with your politics and completely hijacking a discussion about the match itself.

You really are a strange strange man.

I share my opinions and won't be shouted down by some ringpiece like you. If I'm outta line, a mod will pull/ban me.

Link to post
Share on other sites

People are so keen to make heroes and villains out of everyone when the simple answer is likely that people made misjudgements in high pressure situations. 

People falling got Gunmans **** baits are idiots though :lol: it's clear he's just going full Katie Hopkins to get a response. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just now, VamPook said:

Wait, whats the argument about now?

Surely if Grealish is so sure he won't bottle penalties, he would step up and take one?

Who's to say he turned it down? He presumably was number 6/7 (alongside Sterling), maybe Saka is just a better penalty taker off what we've seen in training - why is this such an alien concept.  I don't see why this has to be made an issue of why another player should take a penalty because he's only 19.

If Henderson was on the pitch, who's calling for him to be taking a penalty? He's got a better conversion rate than Sterling and Grealish btw.

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Big Geordie said:

I share my opinions and won't be shouted down by some ringpiece like you. If I'm outta line, a mod will pull/ban me.

Pretty sure calling someone a ringpiece is going to get you a warning at the least ffs :D

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, InigoPatinkin said:

it's clear he's just going full Katie Hopkins to get a response. 

You know I'm not British and you make me google names. :mad:

1 minute ago, Bootador said:

 just a better penalty taker off what we've seen in training

Training penalties doesn't translate, imo.

80k in the stadium, shooting in training is meaningless.

Edited by GunmaN1905
Link to post
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Big Geordie said:

I share my opinions and won't be shouted down by some ringpiece like you. If I'm outta line, a mod will pull/ban me.

Well pack it in, sharpish. It's not actually bringing anything to the discussion other than managing to **** people off more than they already are. Which takes some doing right now

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, GunmaN1905 said:

You know I'm not British and you make me google names. :mad:

Training penalties doesn't translate, imo.

80k in the stadium, shooting in training is meaningless.

And the senior players you've suggested take the penalty have been proven failures (from a small sample size) from the spot. So do we go for the proven failure, or the untested player who is technically better?

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...