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1 minute ago, InigoPatinkin said:

And yet some can't, because penalties aren't just exercises in technical striking. If they were Beckham, Zidane, Messi etc. would never have missed a penalty. 

I think everyone forgets the keepers here.

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2 minutes ago, Rebs said:

Pens are pens...complete lottery, plenty of experienced players have ballooned them over before.  Is a bit weird to put Saka on at the end of them, but then it's stage not age innit.   Gutted though, I thought we had it even in pens with how it started.  Amazing from England though, and the best team generall won there as Italy were very good, but we have a future at least now.  Grealish I think won't ever become a starter, it's surely got to be Foden going ahead and I think both are ace, I just don't see how Grealish comes back here from this unless he moves and becomes phenomenal which he could well do.

No no no no no no no

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7 minutes ago, brez22 said:

I think this is nonsense to be honest and im no Kane super fan.  

Short of dribbling from his own half what exactly could he do? The team lacked progression and possession throughout and in fact if he's not bossing Chiellini in the air(which he did a few times) and doing a great job of holding the ball then it would have been much harder for England. 

There is a genuine question about his pace, especially as he gets older but thats the managers job to support him with by giving him runners, in past matches that has been Sterling but tonight he was 30 yards deeper than he has been.

He's our captain and for alot of the second half he looked so casual.  We looked so much better when we were closing down and I know you can't do that for 90 minutes but I just felt tonight he wasn't the player we know he can be.

I hate the fact that our striker is our captain but he didn't exactly put spirit into the team did he?  He's immune to being subbed and after Chiesa goes off(who probably would of scored at some point) and both of Italys CBs are on yellow cards, he has to put pressure on them.   I know it isn't soley his job but I don't feel he plays the captains role very well at all.

Half time of ET the camera panned to England, it's Henderson doing the job of what Kane should be doing.

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Just now, Bootador said:

That's a proper, "don't care about the goalkeeper/stage" penalty. You'd think most pros could probably do that, but it probably takes a certain mentality to be able to execute it :D

There's been a lot of that from defenders. No thinking, just pick your spot and smash it hard

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You do have to question the bringing on with 1 minute to go. When's the last time Rashford/Sancho kicked a ball? In the warm up at the start of the game (apart from Rashford's tackle)? Can't be ideal prep.

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1 minute ago, themadsheep2001 said:

There's been a lot of that from defenders. No thinking, just pick your spot and smash it hard

Probably less pressure on them from their perspective so they can execute it clean/well.

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Just now, Bootador said:

You do have to question the bringing on with 1 minute to go. When's the last time Rashford/Sancho kicked a ball? In the warm up at the start of the game (apart from Rashford's tackle)? Can't be ideal prep.

I thought the same, give them 10/15 minutes or don't bother.

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Just now, Rebs said:

Of course they are....you can practice as much as you want but on that stage it can just go to pot.

It's a skill. If it was purely a lottery then you'd see more variety in the winners.

The team that takes the first pen usually wins. The better team with better players usually wins.

It's a skill

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Just now, Federico said:

Italy.

:lol::lol:

You remembered that.

Just now, Rebs said:

Of course they are....you can practice as much as you want but on that stage it can just go to pot.

Obviously, noone is a 100% given to score as we've seen with Jorginho, Rashford and Belotti who're good penalty takers. But Sancho and Saka just looked out of place in the shootout.

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Just now, Bootador said:

You do have to question the bringing on with 1 minute to go. When's the last time Rashford/Sancho kicked a ball? In the warm up at the start of the game (apart from Rashford's tackle)? Can't be ideal prep.

It's almost worth sticking one or two specialist takers in the squad if you're going down that road. Especially with 26 man squads.

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1 minute ago, Bootador said:

You do have to question the bringing on with 1 minute to go. When's the last time Rashford/Sancho kicked a ball? In the warm up at the start of the game (apart from Rashford's tackle)? Can't be ideal prep.

I really do think that this kind of sub backfires more than it works.

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1 minute ago, Bootador said:

You do have to question the bringing on with 1 minute to go. When's the last time Rashford/Sancho kicked a ball? In the warm up at the start of the game (apart from Rashford's tackle)? Can't be ideal prep.

It did seem a bit NFL 'special teams' move but without the special in the end :( 

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2 minutes ago, Bootador said:

Probably less pressure on them from their perspective so they can execute it clean/well.

That's my thoughts. Defenders aren't burdened with overthinking chances like attackers are, they can just step up and put their laces through it.

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3 minutes ago, ajw10 said:

I really do think that this kind of sub backfires more than it works.

Sancho's penalty was awful as well, him and Rashford back to back felt a poor choice in hindsight as well given they were brought on especially for penalties. Just ramps up the pressure on Sancho when Rashford misses especially just before him, minor details etc. but these things matter.

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Just now, Coulthard's Jaw said:

I'm putting you on ignore now BG, don't need to be seeing racist imagery like that on here.

Removed it.

@Big Geordie there is absolutely no need for you to post that there.  If you want to do something useful go report all the comments

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Just now, Bootador said:

Sancho's penalty was awful as well, him and Rashford back to back felt a poor choice in hindsight as well given they were brought on especially for penalties. Jump ramps up the pressure on Sancho when Rashford misses especially just before him, minor details etc. but these things matter.

I know pressure does funny things, but I can't believe how bad Sancho's penalty was. Like is that what's been doing in training that impressed Southgate?

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1 minute ago, Coulthard's Jaw said:

I'm putting you on ignore now BG, don't need to be seeing racist imagery like that on here.

I disagree - it needs to be highlighted.

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Just now, Bootador said:

Sancho's penalty was awful as well, him and Rashford back to back felt a poor choice in hindsight as well given they were brought on especially for penalties. Just ramps up the pressure on Sancho when Rashford misses especially just before him, minor details etc. but these things matter.

yeah absolutely. Southgate overthought it, whereas Mancini placed full trust in the players. 

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Just now, Coulthard's Jaw said:

OK some bad takes in here about penalties. I guess you guys think putting in golf is a complete lottery.

No of course not, there are lots of players better at taking penalties than others just like those who are better at putting in golf than others with poor short game.  I still think there's more of a lottery aspect to it in penalties in football though, with more variables in a penalty than say in a golfer on the green.  We shouldn't have had some of those taking the pens tonight, but if they say they're up for it and have previous form of taking pens then I don't disagree with them taking one or the manager putting them in for one.  Saka 5th was a travesty though and I feel for the poor kid.

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Just now, Big Geordie said:

I disagree - it needs to be highlighted.

Yes, but not in here where it's full of people that know racism is bad and know that black players will be racially abused tonight.

 

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Just now, Bootador said:

Something like Rashford, Maguire, Saka, Sancho, Kane would have been a better order.

Best takers 1 & 5, Rashford and Sancho spaced out.

I'll be honest, if you had told me pre tournament that would be the five taking penalties for us I would have been scared.

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Just now, Bootador said:

Something like Rashford, Maguire, Saka, Sancho, Kane would have been a better order.

Best takers 1 & 5, Rashford and Sancho spaced out.

best taker should be third, not fifth. Maguire fifth because of his personality, he can take missing.

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I think this sums up what annoys me :lol:

Heck, I'm glad I got to see us in a major tournament final and it's a day/game I'll always remember, I'm proud of our team and hopefully it long continues.  We have some cracking young players and hopefully this experience will help out Southgate and we can win the World Cup next year instead :lol:.

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Just now, ajw10 said:

best taker should be third, not fifth. Maguire fifth because of his personality, he can take missing.

For comparison, Berardi and Belotti are great takers, taking pens for their club for years.

Bernardeschi is also good, obviously doesn't take them for Juventus.

Bonucci always stepped up in the shootouts and has a good record.

Jorginho, you know him.

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1 minute ago, ajw10 said:

best taker should be third, not fifth. Maguire fifth because of his personality, he can take missing.

I'm not gonna argue against Maguire breaking the camera and winning us Euro 2024

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7 minutes ago, Bootador said:

You do have to question the bringing on with 1 minute to go. When's the last time Rashford/Sancho kicked a ball? In the warm up at the start of the game (apart from Rashford's tackle)? Can't be ideal prep.

Honestly don't think this matters in the slightest. They're taking penalties, it's just an excuse to beat managers with because they missed. Fergie brought on Anderson and Nani in a Champions League final with barely a kick left to take penalties. 

It's a squad of 25, some aren't going to play much and are going to be called up to take penalties because they're good at them. That's tournament football. They don't need any excuses made for them, tournament football is cruel sometimes and it's on them to bounce back. 

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5 minutes ago, ajw10 said:

Yes, but not in here where it's full of people that know racism is bad and know that black players will be racially abused tonight.

 

By here do you mean the thread or the forum?

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1 hour ago, GunmaN1905 said:

If I was Sterling, Grealish or Shaw I wouldn't be able to live with myself.

How can you bloody allow a 19 year old kid to shoot the 5th penalty in such game?

I wanted England to lose and I'm uspet at how awful this is compared to the actual potential of this team. :lol:

@GunmaN1905 Don't make such stupid assumptions. Grealish even said the other day in an interview that he would be happy to take one as he loves the pressure.

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Just now, VamPook said:

By here do you mean the thread or the forum?

both? The vast majority on this forum are not racist and fully understand that racially abusing black footballers online is abhorrent.

 

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1 minute ago, Baptista_8 said:

@GunmaN1905 Don't make such stupid assumptions. Grealish even said the other day in an interview that he would be happy to take one as he loves the pressure.

Hahaha there's no way you believe Southgate.

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1 minute ago, Baptista_8 said:

@GunmaN1905 Don't make such stupid assumptions. Grealish even said the other day in an interview that he would be happy to take one as he loves the pressure.

I know you're defending your guy, but cmon.

What should've Gareth said? That some of them didn't want to take the penalty? What kind of coach would blame the players here?

For example Berardi didn't want to take one against Spain, despite taking them his entire career on club level.

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